I think you have a similar misconception of warp drive as the last guy. Warp drive doesn't result in lorenz contraction. Depending on your particular warp technology, your actual velocity is zero. Even so, your scenario doesn't work as observing earth with your telescope is not instantaneous.. your looking at earth as it was 4 minutes ago.
You didn't read the article did ya? I understand, it was horrid. The point of this work is that apparently if you give people certain toxins, it stops cells from doing stuff that requires oxygen. Later, when they get oxygen, these processes start back up again. The reason I mentioned the brain is that, without the heart, the brain will be starved of oxygen.
The whole point of warp drive is that you're not traveling faster than light. You're getting from A to B faster than light would travel to go from A to B but you're not *moving* faster than light, you're warping space. This, of course, is impossible.. but that's not the point.
Wormholes are easier to understand. You connect two points in space.. now the distance required to travel is very short (it's zero if the wormhole has no "inside"). Did you travel faster than the speed of light? Why, yes, you traveled from A to B faster than light could before the wormhole was opened, but no, you didn't change your velocity to a value higher than c.
If you have an inside to your wormhole then you could go inside it, then change one of the end points to be somewhere else. Say you can only create a wormhole where the two end points are millimeters apart, but the inside of the wormhole is many meters, enough to fit all the equipment you need to manipulate the wormhole. Now you can move the A end of the wormhole so that it is closer to the B end, then move the B end so it is further away from the A end, then move the A end again. You're inch worming your way through space.. if you can inch fast enough, you can inch faster than light can travel the same distance. Are you moving faster than light? No, you're not moving at all! This is Peter F. Hamilton's "continuous wormhole drive".
All of these things require new physics.. there's a couple of proposals that require only slightly exotic absurdities, but it's all theoretical and, comical, right now.
The separation of upstream and downstream and competition takes care of that.
You seem to think I'm talking about something new here. This is exactly what every open source solution company does. Hell, I used to do it freelance, until I found the corporate teet.
I know there's this mainstream idea of "wealth" as something to do with money, but that's really not the case. If I have $400 today and a loaf of bread costs $2, but tomorrow the cost of bread goes up to $4, I am not as wealthy today as I was yesterday, however, if the same number of loaves of bread exist today as they did yesterday then the wealth of the nation (at least the bread part it) is still the same. Wealth is about stuff, not about value.
Dude, I'm well aware of time dilation. I just don't see how you can turn time dilation into sending messages back in time. Please make your fucking argument already. Or were you just talking out your ass?
"The lands of Middle-earth are populated by Men (humans) and other humanoid races (Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves, and Orcs), as well as many other creatures, both real and fantastic (Ents, Wargs, Balrogs, Trolls, etc.)."
It's ok to celebrate the variation and uniqueness of fictional races, like elves and hobbits and orcs, but you can never think about the differences between real races.
money and wealth are not the same thing. Selling something doesn't create wealth (hell, it doesn't even create money), making something does. So if you can sell the same thing, over and over, without creating anything more, then the total amount of wealth remains the same.. whereas, if you had to keep making new things, wealth would keep going up.
Wow. The commercial software mindset really is taxing isn't it? You don't push custom features upstream.. upstream won't even accept them unless they are something everyone would want..
All software has bugs. If your customer finds a bug in the software they can report it upstream and wait around for the bug to get fixed or they can report it to you and pay you to fix it now. That's support. Same goes for features. Maybe they want to use the software for something that upstream thinks is worthless. They could beg upstream to add the feature. Or they could hire developers to add the feature. Or they could outsource that to you. That's support.
If you can send information faster than light as viewed from any slower-than-light reference frame, and relativity holds, you can use multiple hops to send it back into the light-cone of its own past, i.e. send messages back in time.
I must be dumb. How? Can you break it down for us?
1. Travel to Mars faster than 4 minutes, say X. 2. Travel back to Earth faster than 4 minutes, so now 2*X. 3. Ok, so now it's S+2*X at Earth, how did you travel back in time?
Most every space science fiction has a period where people went out in "sleeper ships" to colonize the galaxy.. and then the warp drives come along and overtake the sleeper ships. It's a common theme.
I imagine the following for us:
* All those exoplanet astronomers eventually discover a rocky planet around an nearby star.. say, 20 light years away. * They manage to confirm the atmosphere is oxygen/nitrogen, and can guess that the atmospheric pressure is similar to Earth. * Some smart cookie figures out how to image the surface of the planet and sees trees and rivers and, ya know, squirrels. * A Von Braun figure declares that we *must* go populate this planet and puts together enough international funding to send a ship.
The ship would be nuclear powered. It would have about 30,000 people on it in suspended animation. 30 engineers would remain awake to monitor the systems and keep the ship on course. After 10 years of service, they'd go into suspended animation and wake their successors (actually, it'd be staggered replacement). If it takes 400 years to get there, so what? That's just 40 shifts. 1,200 engineers out of 30,000 colonists.
Meh. It'll be a standard procedure in 5 years. "Ok, so what the anesthetist is going to do is stop your heart. Then we'll cut two small incisions in your chest and I'll insert this tiny camera.. [blah blah blah, rest of the standard keyhole surgery speech].. and once we're all finished, the anesthetist will start your heart again."
This stuff isn't that revolutionary.. it's just a neat trick to stop you getting brain damage when you're not getting enough oxygen.
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I think you have a similar misconception of warp drive as the last guy. Warp drive doesn't result in lorenz contraction. Depending on your particular warp technology, your actual velocity is zero. Even so, your scenario doesn't work as observing earth with your telescope is not instantaneous.. your looking at earth as it was 4 minutes ago.
Universities get given grants and researchers get hired by the university using that grant.
Your case may be different, but I doubt it.
Just rewrite it.. they don't own the ideas.
You didn't read the article did ya? I understand, it was horrid. The point of this work is that apparently if you give people certain toxins, it stops cells from doing stuff that requires oxygen. Later, when they get oxygen, these processes start back up again. The reason I mentioned the brain is that, without the heart, the brain will be starved of oxygen.
The whole point of warp drive is that you're not traveling faster than light. You're getting from A to B faster than light would travel to go from A to B but you're not *moving* faster than light, you're warping space. This, of course, is impossible.. but that's not the point.
Wormholes are easier to understand. You connect two points in space.. now the distance required to travel is very short (it's zero if the wormhole has no "inside"). Did you travel faster than the speed of light? Why, yes, you traveled from A to B faster than light could before the wormhole was opened, but no, you didn't change your velocity to a value higher than c.
If you have an inside to your wormhole then you could go inside it, then change one of the end points to be somewhere else. Say you can only create a wormhole where the two end points are millimeters apart, but the inside of the wormhole is many meters, enough to fit all the equipment you need to manipulate the wormhole. Now you can move the A end of the wormhole so that it is closer to the B end, then move the B end so it is further away from the A end, then move the A end again. You're inch worming your way through space.. if you can inch fast enough, you can inch faster than light can travel the same distance. Are you moving faster than light? No, you're not moving at all! This is Peter F. Hamilton's "continuous wormhole drive".
All of these things require new physics.. there's a couple of proposals that require only slightly exotic absurdities, but it's all theoretical and, comical, right now.
Terms like "upstream" and "downstream" mean absolutely nothing to you do you?
Also.. go have a chat to Microsoft about your fantasy.
The issue of race in games existed long before this latest zombie fest.
Unlike every other category which is manna from heaven is it? Every word is "arbitrary".. that's what words are.
Seeing as there were half elf, half humans in LOTR, I say you're wrong.
Species can't interbreed, that's the definition of species. Therefore, they're races.
It make maintaining your patch much easier, yes.
The separation of upstream and downstream and competition takes care of that.
You seem to think I'm talking about something new here. This is exactly what every open source solution company does. Hell, I used to do it freelance, until I found the corporate teet.
I know there's this mainstream idea of "wealth" as something to do with money, but that's really not the case. If I have $400 today and a loaf of bread costs $2, but tomorrow the cost of bread goes up to $4, I am not as wealthy today as I was yesterday, however, if the same number of loaves of bread exist today as they did yesterday then the wealth of the nation (at least the bread part it) is still the same. Wealth is about stuff, not about value.
Dude, I'm well aware of time dilation. I just don't see how you can turn time dilation into sending messages back in time. Please make your fucking argument already. Or were you just talking out your ass?
Turn in your nerd card.
"The lands of Middle-earth are populated by Men (humans) and other humanoid races (Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves, and Orcs), as well as many other creatures, both real and fantastic (Ents, Wargs, Balrogs, Trolls, etc.)."
Tolkien defines.
It's ok to celebrate the variation and uniqueness of fictional races, like elves and hobbits and orcs, but you can never think about the differences between real races.
money and wealth are not the same thing. Selling something doesn't create wealth (hell, it doesn't even create money), making something does. So if you can sell the same thing, over and over, without creating anything more, then the total amount of wealth remains the same.. whereas, if you had to keep making new things, wealth would keep going up.
So I guess that's a no.
creating wealth
I don't think that means what you think it does.
Wow. The commercial software mindset really is taxing isn't it? You don't push custom features upstream.. upstream won't even accept them unless they are something everyone would want..
Fuck off timmarhy..
Hehe, yes, because at some point the software will be bug free.. bwahaha..
That's not how it works.
how supposed "experts" can be so dumb.
support != hand holding.
All software has bugs. If your customer finds a bug in the software they can report it upstream and wait around for the bug to get fixed or they can report it to you and pay you to fix it now. That's support. Same goes for features. Maybe they want to use the software for something that upstream thinks is worthless. They could beg upstream to add the feature. Or they could hire developers to add the feature. Or they could outsource that to you. That's support.
If you can send information faster than light as viewed from any slower-than-light reference frame, and relativity holds, you can use multiple hops to send it back into the light-cone of its own past, i.e. send messages back in time.
I must be dumb. How? Can you break it down for us?
1. Travel to Mars faster than 4 minutes, say X.
2. Travel back to Earth faster than 4 minutes, so now 2*X.
3. Ok, so now it's S+2*X at Earth, how did you travel back in time?
in my job I'm still surprised how many people don't know what a colon is. They refer to it as "two dots".
I'm surprised when I explain to people the difference between a backslash and a slash and they don't remember it 15 seconds later.
Most every space science fiction has a period where people went out in "sleeper ships" to colonize the galaxy.. and then the warp drives come along and overtake the sleeper ships. It's a common theme.
I imagine the following for us:
* All those exoplanet astronomers eventually discover a rocky planet around an nearby star.. say, 20 light years away.
* They manage to confirm the atmosphere is oxygen/nitrogen, and can guess that the atmospheric pressure is similar to Earth.
* Some smart cookie figures out how to image the surface of the planet and sees trees and rivers and, ya know, squirrels.
* A Von Braun figure declares that we *must* go populate this planet and puts together enough international funding to send a ship.
The ship would be nuclear powered. It would have about 30,000 people on it in suspended animation. 30 engineers would remain awake to monitor the systems and keep the ship on course. After 10 years of service, they'd go into suspended animation and wake their successors (actually, it'd be staggered replacement). If it takes 400 years to get there, so what? That's just 40 shifts. 1,200 engineers out of 30,000 colonists.
Meh. It'll be a standard procedure in 5 years. "Ok, so what the anesthetist is going to do is stop your heart. Then we'll cut two small incisions in your chest and I'll insert this tiny camera.. [blah blah blah, rest of the standard keyhole surgery speech] .. and once we're all finished, the anesthetist will start your heart again."
This stuff isn't that revolutionary.. it's just a neat trick to stop you getting brain damage when you're not getting enough oxygen.