"Now I have to ask myself this: Do those people have a right to be upset that their "wedding" was so rudely interrupted? Or did this serve as a healthy eye-opener to the ludicracy of the situation and a much needed return to reality for all persons involved? "
I don't remember eq allowing people to paralyze folks and drag them around... but I do remember how much fun Sullon Zek was with PVP stuff like that!
I may be feeding the troll here, but for f*ck's sake... they knew what they were getting into when they decided to go through with the prank. That is, after all, why it is called a "prank"...
They've also, probably, broken some Canardian laws, too...
Right. But try leaving pornographic magazines on the floor in K-Mart. It's not viewed at k-mart and you have to open them ("click the link") to get there... but I am certain K-Mart would not want the ability for customers to "find porn" inside the store...
One of the reasons I like working where I am now is that the management quite often says, "So and so's team is doing this work in Java or Business Objects and while I think it can be done easier and faster in perl - it is a new bullet item on your resume, so we are sending you to training."
I think I articulated it wrong in my last reply; The company I work for employees about 8000 people, but only a good 300, are in the IT aspect of it. (It is a hospital.) The nursing side, as well as the others, are respected according to each of their fields. The IT folks here are treated like IT folks but with the idea that patient care comes first and foremost, even if it means you can't telecommute as much as you'd like, etc.
That is interesting - what do you use to allow employees to bill time? Just a simple note, or something different like Act! or (for the tax prep folks)Lacerte (something similar).
As a salaried employee, I know my employer doesn't care if I write a note or surf here or there; checking my bank account, etc... for much the same reasons. The 8,000 employee firm I work for has payroll out on time, charges go out and come in, etc etc...
But, you are very much right - employing salaried people means you have to contain them, have them "on site" in some way or form, and point them in the right direction.
I mean this in all seriousness, with only slight sarcasm: I am glad my "flamebait" modded post spawned this thread; I've learned a bit and had a good read!
Part of me (the geek) wants to mod my tv with some limiting logic (probably using a pic or something) -- however, another part of me figures that'd be a DMCA violation!:P
I still find it funny, even though I've been here a long while, that the grammar nazis are still around... isn't that type of thing a "fark quality" as compared to what slashdot was back when I joined?
Oh well. I mean, he does have a point about the yelling at the end.:P
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Some of these cars could quite possibly contain that whole "key in range push button to start" option. My cousin has that option on her car, though I forgot the make/model...
I hate that too. I can understand how the volume output from the television is a function of the signal, however I don't understand how my television can't compensate for that and limit accordingly. Remember the automatic volume limiting system on old walkmans? Similar concept, I suppose.
Actually, I did rtfa... that line "I can't wait to sit..." was not from my submission and added by the person who approved the article for the front page. But, you knew that already anyway.
I agree with you - it is pretty effective and not very obtrusive... however, with the addition of "ipod/etc" download options on google video, and I would assume youtube, does this mean that if you dload a video for your ipod that it will have an advert in it?
It is all flash based, so one could assume/hope not...
I can't take blame for creating it, just using it. In all seriousness - does lackadaisical security mean that, just because you can, you have the right or need to crack it?
As a child I remember thinking that just because I could get free phone calls from here to there, I had a right to; after all, ma bell should have done more security research... but as I grew up... I did exactly that - grow up into realizing that just because you can does not mean you have a right to.
Dude, he infringed on his agreement to use the software in the proper manner by copying coupons via a method he took the time out to perform. If it was accidental and innocent, it'd be a different story. Period.
I don't care how crappy the security method is... that does not give you the "right" to circumvent it! Just because a piece of police tape is flimsy and blows in the wind... does that give you the right to walk past it when it clearly is there to keep you from doing such? No. Do you have the "right" to say, "Well, the police should be standing there shoulder to shoulder to stop me!!!"
No. If that same logic were true for software, it would be all security and no application! Let the application be written in the crappy way it was written and deal with it. Don't like it? Don't use it. Don't hack it and then post online for others to do the same. Hack it in private, for crying out loud.
I don't think you understand the use of effective here. Someone else, above, mentioned the police ribbon saying "police line, do not enter" - that is an effective deterrent that stops people from entering if it indeed works.
This person had to go out of his way to print dup coupons - it was not like the software started printing them after a reboot; something everyone has to do. No, he had to develop software to, or manually, edit registry keys. Crappy or not, if security is written in the software in that method - it is still the "effective" method of security. Like it or not, it is still how it is written and it is still something the person who broke it took the time to break. (IE: It didn't happen "natively" via reboot or accidentally, etc...)
"Now, is a technological measure that can be defeated by merely deleting files or removing registry keys "effective"?
I don't think they meant effective in that sense of the word - but in the sense that it is the effective "control" of the technology. Like an interim vice president still being, effectively, the v.p. until the new one arrives... and so forth.
However crappy the security measure may be, if the person who wants to defeat it has to go out of his way to do it (ie: it isn't natively defeated by simply rebooting, something everyone has to do), I would say he is violating that paragraph you quoted. How trivial it is doesn't matter, in this case, really.
Hey, thanks ferfucksake. I never said I had much experience in surfing around noaa - without attitude, it would have been great to simply say that NOAA had it all. And it looks like it does, with the link below regarding upload of community data (as I so put it)...
So yeah... noaa does it for me. I can look there until something better comes out. Plus, taxpayer dollars pay for it.
I don't think you understand - is NOAA the only place for this data? No. Why filter your result set to only one *source* of data? (I mean, incoming data, not source of data to report on, as if I was contradicting my first statement.)
How could someone like me, familiar with instrumentation, go out and gather data and submit it to the community for inclusion in reporting?
That "community" does not exist.
And, btw, I was just about to say thanks for the noaa links. I knew about them, but thought they still charged for "bandwidth" usage, etc.
I agree - there is data out there. But where is it? I don't want a category on del.icio.us that lists 50 to 100 links of where to get the data... I would like a "community" (ie: scientific types) built repository for it. Think of arxiv.org, for instance.
Mostly because I'm lazy, but also because if the data is discredited at one source out of 100, that's fine.. but if the data was at one central place - the place itself would, hopefully, hold to a higher standard of data consistency, quality, etc.
Without sounding like I don't care, because I do: I don't care if the data shows that the climate is warming, cooling, or staying the same. What I care about, right now in the context of this report that there was no y2k bug, is the lack of "quality" data out there, easily grabable... etc.
Yeah, you gave a couple of links there and put "trusted" in quotes just like I did...
I'm not saying put the data up on the wikipedia - that's not exactly trusted, either.
But if society could simply learn to stop taking things for face value and start applying the logic of science behind not only the gathering of the data but the reception of it on reports as well. What is the algorithm used? When and where was the data collected from? Were the instruments calibrated properly? Oh they were owned by Shell? Why?
Release the data, all of it, openly. NOAA data is available, for a fee to download I think, and so should all of the other data. I don't mean "should" as in "legislated", I mean "should" as in "should" or, "it would be nice."
If all of the data were released in this fashion, in one central "trusted" place, one could assume that as more and more analysts take a gander - themes will appear and more and more of the graphs could be trusted.
Just like, if I allowed you to walk through my house (free coffee and beer) while on your way to work and I said that you had to finish your beer before leaving my house... would it not be against my "policy" if you hid your beer under your coat and took it with you for use later? Even if Uncle Sam said it was legal to drink beer outside of a home?
(Underlines mine. Well actually underlines are new stuff.:P ) All I am concerned with is the people who think that this does not violate the Netflix TOS and that if Netflix gets upset at them for doing this that Netflix is in the wrong... Netflix if they ever fired customers over this, may pull the "You cracked DRM" card, but really what they will be upset over is violation of the terms of service.
Slashdot Mirror
oh sweet! I didn't even think to get the whole package.
At that and it's not even an installer, the exe is the app alone!
"Now I have to ask myself this: Do those people have a right to be upset that their "wedding" was so rudely interrupted? Or did this serve as a healthy eye-opener to the ludicracy of the situation and a much needed return to reality for all persons involved? "
I don't remember eq allowing people to paralyze folks and drag them around... but I do remember how much fun Sullon Zek was with PVP stuff like that!
Except for the part where they impersonated officials, no? I mean, they didn't to it verbally... but they did it physically.
I agree, though, that it made the entire security system there look like it was put together by a 5yo.
I may be feeding the troll here, but for f*ck's sake... they knew what they were getting into when they decided to go through with the prank. That is, after all, why it is called a "prank"...
They've also, probably, broken some Canardian laws, too...
Right. But try leaving pornographic magazines on the floor in K-Mart. It's not viewed at k-mart and you have to open them ("click the link") to get there... but I am certain K-Mart would not want the ability for customers to "find porn" inside the store...
One of the reasons I like working where I am now is that the management quite often says, "So and so's team is doing this work in Java or Business Objects and while I think it can be done easier and faster in perl - it is a new bullet item on your resume, so we are sending you to training."
I think I articulated it wrong in my last reply; The company I work for employees about 8000 people, but only a good 300, are in the IT aspect of it. (It is a hospital.) The nursing side, as well as the others, are respected according to each of their fields. The IT folks here are treated like IT folks but with the idea that patient care comes first and foremost, even if it means you can't telecommute as much as you'd like, etc.
That is interesting - what do you use to allow employees to bill time? Just a simple note, or something different like Act! or (for the tax prep folks)Lacerte (something similar).
As a salaried employee, I know my employer doesn't care if I write a note or surf here or there; checking my bank account, etc... for much the same reasons. The 8,000 employee firm I work for has payroll out on time, charges go out and come in, etc etc...
But, you are very much right - employing salaried people means you have to contain them, have them "on site" in some way or form, and point them in the right direction.
I mean this in all seriousness, with only slight sarcasm: I am glad my "flamebait" modded post spawned this thread; I've learned a bit and had a good read!
:P
Hear Here! Thanks!
Blah! Lets bring back smart sound! :P
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Part of me (the geek) wants to mod my tv with some limiting logic (probably using a pic or something) -- however, another part of me figures that'd be a DMCA violation!
I still find it funny, even though I've been here a long while, that the grammar nazis are still around... isn't that type of thing a "fark quality" as compared to what slashdot was back when I joined?
:P
Oh well. I mean, he does have a point about the yelling at the end.
Some of these cars could quite possibly contain that whole "key in range push button to start" option. My cousin has that option on her car, though I forgot the make/model...
here here!
I hate that too. I can understand how the volume output from the television is a function of the signal, however I don't understand how my television can't compensate for that and limit accordingly. Remember the automatic volume limiting system on old walkmans? Similar concept, I suppose.
No problem!
Actually, I did rtfa... that line "I can't wait to sit..." was not from my submission and added by the person who approved the article for the front page. But, you knew that already anyway.
I agree with you - it is pretty effective and not very obtrusive... however, with the addition of "ipod/etc" download options on google video, and I would assume youtube, does this mean that if you dload a video for your ipod that it will have an advert in it?
It is all flash based, so one could assume/hope not...
I can't take blame for creating it, just using it. In all seriousness - does lackadaisical security mean that, just because you can, you have the right or need to crack it?
As a child I remember thinking that just because I could get free phone calls from here to there, I had a right to; after all, ma bell should have done more security research... but as I grew up... I did exactly that - grow up into realizing that just because you can does not mean you have a right to.
Dude, he infringed on his agreement to use the software in the proper manner by copying coupons via a method he took the time out to perform. If it was accidental and innocent, it'd be a different story. Period.
I don't care how crappy the security method is... that does not give you the "right" to circumvent it! Just because a piece of police tape is flimsy and blows in the wind... does that give you the right to walk past it when it clearly is there to keep you from doing such? No. Do you have the "right" to say, "Well, the police should be standing there shoulder to shoulder to stop me!!!"
No. If that same logic were true for software, it would be all security and no application! Let the application be written in the crappy way it was written and deal with it. Don't like it? Don't use it. Don't hack it and then post online for others to do the same. Hack it in private, for crying out loud.
I don't think you understand the use of effective here. Someone else, above, mentioned the police ribbon saying "police line, do not enter" - that is an effective deterrent that stops people from entering if it indeed works.
This person had to go out of his way to print dup coupons - it was not like the software started printing them after a reboot; something everyone has to do. No, he had to develop software to, or manually, edit registry keys. Crappy or not, if security is written in the software in that method - it is still the "effective" method of security. Like it or not, it is still how it is written and it is still something the person who broke it took the time to break. (IE: It didn't happen "natively" via reboot or accidentally, etc...)
"Now, is a technological measure that can be defeated by merely deleting files or removing registry keys "effective"?
I don't think they meant effective in that sense of the word - but in the sense that it is the effective "control" of the technology. Like an interim vice president still being, effectively, the v.p. until the new one arrives... and so forth.
However crappy the security measure may be, if the person who wants to defeat it has to go out of his way to do it (ie: it isn't natively defeated by simply rebooting, something everyone has to do), I would say he is violating that paragraph you quoted. How trivial it is doesn't matter, in this case, really.
Hey, thanks ferfucksake. I never said I had much experience in surfing around noaa - without attitude, it would have been great to simply say that NOAA had it all. And it looks like it does, with the link below regarding upload of community data (as I so put it)...
So yeah... noaa does it for me. I can look there until something better comes out. Plus, taxpayer dollars pay for it.
I don't think you understand - is NOAA the only place for this data? No. Why filter your result set to only one *source* of data? (I mean, incoming data, not source of data to report on, as if I was contradicting my first statement.)
How could someone like me, familiar with instrumentation, go out and gather data and submit it to the community for inclusion in reporting?
That "community" does not exist.
And, btw, I was just about to say thanks for the noaa links. I knew about them, but thought they still charged for "bandwidth" usage, etc.
I agree - there is data out there. But where is it? I don't want a category on del.icio.us that lists 50 to 100 links of where to get the data... I would like a "community" (ie: scientific types) built repository for it. Think of arxiv.org, for instance.
Mostly because I'm lazy, but also because if the data is discredited at one source out of 100, that's fine.. but if the data was at one central place - the place itself would, hopefully, hold to a higher standard of data consistency, quality, etc.
Without sounding like I don't care, because I do: I don't care if the data shows that the climate is warming, cooling, or staying the same. What I care about, right now in the context of this report that there was no y2k bug, is the lack of "quality" data out there, easily grabable... etc.
Yeah, you gave a couple of links there and put "trusted" in quotes just like I did...
I'm not saying put the data up on the wikipedia - that's not exactly trusted, either.
But if society could simply learn to stop taking things for face value and start applying the logic of science behind not only the gathering of the data but the reception of it on reports as well. What is the algorithm used? When and where was the data collected from? Were the instruments calibrated properly? Oh they were owned by Shell? Why?
etc etc...
Release the data, all of it, openly. NOAA data is available, for a fee to download I think, and so should all of the other data. I don't mean "should" as in "legislated", I mean "should" as in "should" or, "it would be nice."
If all of the data were released in this fashion, in one central "trusted" place, one could assume that as more and more analysts take a gander - themes will appear and more and more of the graphs could be trusted.
A second thought, using part of my earlier reply:
:P )
Just like, if I allowed you to walk through my house (free coffee and beer) while on your way to work and I said that you had to finish your beer before leaving my house... would it not be against my "policy" if you hid your beer under your coat and took it with you for use later? Even if Uncle Sam said it was legal to drink beer outside of a home?
(Underlines mine. Well actually underlines are new stuff.
All I am concerned with is the people who think that this does not violate the Netflix TOS and that if Netflix gets upset at them for doing this that Netflix is in the wrong... Netflix if they ever fired customers over this, may pull the "You cracked DRM" card, but really what they will be upset over is violation of the terms of service.