Except when it comes to China., posted to Doctorow: Rivalry Keeps Google From Doing Evil, has been moderated Troll (-1). Except when it comes to China., posted to Doctorow: Rivalry Keeps Google From Doing Evil, has been moderated Overrated (-1).
Google was willing to deal with China, a country willing to silence someone for much less than the US. In spite of that, some people may have been quite angered at having that pointed out.
When one throws away their career, consorts with the enemy, and provides them aid through unauthorized disclosures of information - they lost any ability to be measured as an American.
If you want to find the "better American", it'll be those involved in the capture, prosecution, and conviction of Snowden.
by Anonymous Coward: You disgust me. I don't think you belong in a country that is said to be the land of the free and the home of the brave; you're a coward.
How interesting that you're calling me out with a greater amount of anonymity versus my own. At least I'm willing to put my "name" to my opinion regarding the misdeeds of Snowden and their implications throughout the world.
Well, for one thing the government is wiping its ass with the constitution, so that does not seem to account for much.
As far as things are now, they aren't.
And a "republic" is supposed to represent the public, but how do you represent somebody who does not know what's cooking?
You might know the final product and the ingredients, but the exact recipe remains a secret. This would be much like revealing every recipe one could get their hands on for hating the cook.
In this case, both - as all parties involved are US citizens.
Which is the greater harm: revealing to our enemies that they are being spied on or hiding from every American that they are being spied on?
The former - as this method of disclosure did not allow for any protection of any secrets save for those that would allow for Snowden's capture and prosecution.
The specific knowledge disclosed by Snowden was knowledge that was not necessary for the public to know, no matter what it was.
On the other hand, once Snowden starts speaking about who helped him and how, as a result of the US interrogating him, that should be public knowledge.
Unfortunately for you, the information will stop and your idol (and his helpers) will be put in his rightful place - a supermax prison in Colorado for a good chunk of his life.
After Snowden's in prison, do the same to those whom have aided and abetted the release of such information - including those at the Washington Post(if the NSA does its job right, that newspaper should have wished that it had done the right thing by not publishing national secrets).
Given the evidence that he not only broke his trust to keep secrets, he also did so in a manner that harms this country entirely. If there should be any pardons and praise, they are to be reserved for anyone who may be prosecuted in bringing Snowden to justice. In addition, reward and protect them from any retaliation that may occur from any Snowden fanatics.
Of course, this won't all go well with those that worship Snowden as some idol and not rightfully consider him as a betrayer of one's country. However, I do not recognize any value in destroying the country or ensuring that it cannot protect itself from threats within and without.
The problem with that is that Japan improved itself and makes higher quality electronics as well as high-quality golfcarts that can be licensed for road use.
China on the other hand, relies on its status of being a supplier of easily-controlled labor and regularly steals designs (another monorail) or even entire companies (such as the military-backed-and-run Huawei - who stole Nortel - as well as a government-run company-in-name-only Lenovo - which stole IBM PCD by deception)
Before or after the State of Georgia decided to use government intervention to rip them out of Ohio? Before or after their merger with AT&T?
Hopefully NCR hasnt fallen that far despite being reduced to a Dell/Gateway rebrander - after AT&T nearly sucked the life out of the company. That doesnt seem like something NCR would do to its customers, even in their current state of things.
Thank Tata, who got rid of any Britishness in them
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As many corners that had to be cut, thank Tata for such a lower-quality car. At least Ford kept it British.
Good to see them catching up with the Rest of Us
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For all those thinking that the US has a problem with freedom, perhaps you might want to consider why it is more preferable than Russia or China.
Russia and China both have much better things to do.
Which has nothing to do to address the fact that he has not released anything on Russia or China, which would be give valuable insight towards truly unfree countries.
I'm not worried about the United States' government, for it is in much better shape than Russia's, but more about those who would rather side with hostile enemies to attack it. Until Snowden (and those that have aided/abetted him - including those that have leaked information) is spending the rest of his life in a supermax, the primary goal is to neutralize him.
There is a greater respect for the rule of law and individual freedoms in the United States than Russia. Offend Russia enough, you die; offend the US the same amount, the law dictates your fate(even if anti-terrorism law). In addition, Russian gated communities are legion, representing their desires of an above-the-law oligarchy; gated communities in the United States are far fewer given the deeper respect for the rule of law. Finally, Russia is deeply based on the bribery system (~$25k gets you Chaika-lane style access to the roadway, government interaction elsewhere requires bribery, and the private sector does as well); such activities are regularly discouraged and prosecuted in the US.
Think about the country you're defending in comparison to the US. Any freedom you may claim to exist in Russia is only measured by the size of your bank account and the connections you have. In the United States, even the poorest citizen is well-defended.
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The problem with that is the US has a much higher threshold for such activities - whether in the US or across the world.
That said, the US has (without apology) an empire to maintain and that it should not have to be made to submit to the world.
Except when it comes to China., posted to Doctorow: Rivalry Keeps Google From Doing Evil, has been moderated Troll (-1).
Except when it comes to China., posted to Doctorow: Rivalry Keeps Google From Doing Evil, has been moderated Overrated (-1).
Google was willing to deal with China, a country willing to silence someone for much less than the US. In spite of that, some people may have been quite angered at having that pointed out.
When one throws away their career, consorts with the enemy, and provides them aid through unauthorized disclosures of information - they lost any ability to be measured as an American.
If you want to find the "better American", it'll be those involved in the capture, prosecution, and conviction of Snowden.
Really? No matter what it was? What if they were kidnapping children and harvesting their organs?
Indirect evidence would show up, much like it has prior to Snowden's actions.
It's certainly a very interesting position you take, that is to say an authoritarian and amoral one.
It is a position that maintains the idea that the US does not submit to the world.
I'd say it was his moral duty as a human being, which is the only authority anyone should ever need.
However, he cannot escape the consequences of putting his own judgment in front of others.
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You disgust me. I don't think you belong in a country that is said to be the land of the free and the home of the brave; you're a coward.
How interesting that you're calling me out with a greater amount of anonymity versus my own. At least I'm willing to put my "name" to my opinion regarding the misdeeds of Snowden and their implications throughout the world.
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I hope those modpoints were worth it.
There's enough evidence to convict him and keep him from being pardoned.
Well, for one thing the government is wiping its ass with the constitution, so that does not seem to account for much.
As far as things are now, they aren't.
And a "republic" is supposed to represent the public, but how do you represent somebody who does not know what's cooking?
You might know the final product and the ingredients, but the exact recipe remains a secret. This would be much like revealing every recipe one could get their hands on for hating the cook.
Unless they get hurt, they'll deal with anyone and anything evil - China being the prime example.
Harmed the country or harmed the Administration?
In this case, both - as all parties involved are US citizens.
Which is the greater harm: revealing to our enemies that they are being spied on or hiding from every American that they are being spied on?
The former - as this method of disclosure did not allow for any protection of any secrets save for those that would allow for Snowden's capture and prosecution.
When has the U.S. ceased to be a democracy?
When it decided to be a constitutional republic.
The specific knowledge disclosed by Snowden was knowledge that was not necessary for the public to know, no matter what it was.
On the other hand, once Snowden starts speaking about who helped him and how, as a result of the US interrogating him, that should be public knowledge.
Given that both betrayed the country in similar ways, they're no different than each other except for Snowden getting the praise for the deed.
The Constitution isn't a handwave for Snowden's practices either. It doesn't magically make the argument any better (or worse) by invoking it.
Let any citizen that wishes to punish Snowden do so without fear of prosecution or retaliation.
The NSA provides a valuable service to this country and should not be limited by red tape.
Unfortunately for you, the information will stop and your idol (and his helpers) will be put in his rightful place - a supermax prison in Colorado for a good chunk of his life.
After Snowden's in prison, do the same to those whom have aided and abetted the release of such information - including those at the Washington Post(if the NSA does its job right, that newspaper should have wished that it had done the right thing by not publishing national secrets).
Given the evidence that he not only broke his trust to keep secrets, he also did so in a manner that harms this country entirely. If there should be any pardons and praise, they are to be reserved for anyone who may be prosecuted in bringing Snowden to justice. In addition, reward and protect them from any retaliation that may occur from any Snowden fanatics.
Of course, this won't all go well with those that worship Snowden as some idol and not rightfully consider him as a betrayer of one's country. However, I do not recognize any value in destroying the country or ensuring that it cannot protect itself from threats within and without.
Not only was it a good phone, it also could support the major languages already out.
About the only problem it had was the USB port being a bit loose, but otherwise a solid and presentable "do-anything" box.
The problem with that is that Japan improved itself and makes higher quality electronics as well as high-quality golfcarts that can be licensed for road use.
China on the other hand, relies on its status of being a supplier of easily-controlled labor and regularly steals designs (another monorail) or even entire companies (such as the military-backed-and-run Huawei - who stole Nortel - as well as a government-run company-in-name-only Lenovo - which stole IBM PCD by deception)
Given China's history of theft, it won't be long until we see a design that is a knock-off of the Japanese design with some other bits thrown in.
Before or after the State of Georgia decided to use government intervention to rip them out of Ohio? Before or after their merger with AT&T?
Hopefully NCR hasnt fallen that far despite being reduced to a Dell/Gateway rebrander - after AT&T nearly sucked the life out of the company. That doesnt seem like something NCR would do to its customers, even in their current state of things.
As many corners that had to be cut, thank Tata for such a lower-quality car. At least Ford kept it British.
For all those thinking that the US has a problem with freedom, perhaps you might want to consider why it is more preferable than Russia or China.
Russia and China both have much better things to do.
Which has nothing to do to address the fact that he has not released anything on Russia or China, which would be give valuable insight towards truly unfree countries.
I'm not worried about the United States' government, for it is in much better shape than Russia's, but more about those who would rather side with hostile enemies to attack it. Until Snowden (and those that have aided/abetted him - including those that have leaked information) is spending the rest of his life in a supermax, the primary goal is to neutralize him.
There is a greater respect for the rule of law and individual freedoms in the United States than Russia. Offend Russia enough, you die; offend the US the same amount, the law dictates your fate(even if anti-terrorism law). In addition, Russian gated communities are legion, representing their desires of an above-the-law oligarchy; gated communities in the United States are far fewer given the deeper respect for the rule of law. Finally, Russia is deeply based on the bribery system (~$25k gets you Chaika-lane style access to the roadway, government interaction elsewhere requires bribery, and the private sector does as well); such activities are regularly discouraged and prosecuted in the US.
Think about the country you're defending in comparison to the US. Any freedom you may claim to exist in Russia is only measured by the size of your bank account and the connections you have. In the United States, even the poorest citizen is well-defended.
Given Russia's anti-American stance, the Cold War has only gained new actors.
Snowden is simply one of the long line of people who have betrayed the United States, albeit one without a price on his head.
How telling.
You'll just have to settle for a mod-bomb caused mushroom cloud from all the Snowden fans who hate this country.