Eat that mythbusters! Archimedes was right! (Now all we need is to sail a trireme in to Fenchurch St somehow...)
and a mirror the size of a modern skyscraper. (probably a little out of Archimedes’ range)
Re:I'm melting! I'm melting!
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I don't know, a couple thousand soldiers holding mirrors probably adds up to the equivalent of that skyscraper.
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Re:I'm melting! I'm melting!
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arctother
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I knew it was true all along if Gibbon believed in it.
Happened in L.A., too...
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sconeu
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The Disney Concert Hall actually had to be "brushed". It was originally too shiny, and focused the sunlight in places. They had to give it a brushed finish after the fact to avoid this.
-- General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Re:Happened in L.A., too...
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Anonymous Coward
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At least at Disney Concert hall the developers claimed that they had anticipated the problem but that the finished building was a little different then designed*. Am wondering if they did mean to aim it at the sky or if they tried to make the focual point of the "mirror" somewhere in the air.
*BTW, Am tried of CAD "engineers" who never gotten grease under their figure nails, because they don't know how to put in proper tolerances for real life.
Catcha: Shameful
Re:Happened in L.A., too...
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Tarlus
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There were many legitimate concerns about the Disney Concert Hall's reflectiveness, though I don't believe car-melting was one of them.
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Re:Happened in L.A., too...
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Anonymous Coward
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The Captcha probably referred to your spelling.;-)
Re:Happened in L.A., too...
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Locally, I worked in a building that had an IBM mainframe on the 9th floor. A large building erected across the river had an an angled base and reflective sides and about 4 in the afternoon, the focal point was right on us. Had to install solar film to keep from overheating.
Re:Happened in L.A., too...
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There's also the "death ray" in Las Vegas caused by a concave building with lots of reflective glass.
Conveniently, both are designed by the same architect.
No, the architect was not Dr. Evil.
Re:Happened in L.A., too...
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sjames
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But I can't help picturing a lavish architect's office with a shark tank in the background.
Re:Happened in L.A., too...
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm not sure that sandblasting the windows to give them a matt finish will be an option here in London.
Talk about a sensationalist headline
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Anonymous Coward
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If you say "Building melts car," I expect to see a photo of an entire car melted. Seriously.
Re:Talk about a sensationalist headline
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oursland
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Next time someone says they were "burned" by something, I expect to a photo of the entire person converted to ashes. Seriously.
Re:Talk about a sensationalist headline
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I was disappointed too. I expected the building a metaphor for a business now sagging under it's own weight, and the car an analogy for their products melting down.
Don't tell me, I know what you're thinking. The Committee for Inverse Automotive Analogies (CIAA) was unimpressed too; Hence my disappointment from the bored board of boredom...
Re:Talk about a sensationalist headline
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Anonymous Coward
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I saw the headline and thought, what is a "melts car" and who's building it?
Re:Talk about a sensationalist headline
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Anonymous Coward
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I had the same question when I read the headline.
Re:Talk about a sensationalist headline
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Anonymous Coward
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I saw the headline and thought, what is a "melts car" and who's building it?
Melts is building it, of course. The slashdot headline just forgot the apostrophe. It should be: Building Melts' car
Now I just have to figure out who Melts is and why I should care about building his car.
Re:Talk about a sensationalist headline
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Anonymous Coward
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Wow, weird moderations today... you people expected the steel to melt? Really?? Sheesh...
Re:Talk about a sensationalist headline
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm a bit disappointed too, but given the shape of the building in those pictures, I suspect as it approaches completion the additional surface area may focus enough sunlight to melt an entire car.
Re:if your car is made of plastic...
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The car isn't made of plastic, it was sail trim and not the entire car. Not the first building to do this and even residential homes have been accused of doing the same to neighbors siding when low E windows are installed...
-- Build it, Drive it, Improve it! Hybridz.org
Firies will tell you
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mynamestolen
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that it's not uncommon for plastic bottles of water to cause fires when the sun's rays are focussed through them. Don't leave your bottles in the sun.
-- work in progress
Re:Firies will tell you
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yep - for the same reason, always pick up any glass bottles you find in the woods. It may be wet and rainy today, but they last a *long* time.
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Don't leave your records in the sun, They'll warp and they won't be good for anyone. Don't leave your records in the sun, They'll get all wavy and they just won't run. They just won't play (skip) just won't play (skip and repeat about 15 times) no more.
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Is this some new super villain with heat vision, the ability to morph into giant skyscrapers, and telepathy?
When 30 St Mary Axe (that's the street address) was under construction there were several proposed nicknames. Things like the Dildo. Fortunately "Gherkin" stuck, and since then several of developers / architects have tried to choose their building's nickname, but journalists have been more successful.
See also: the Shard, the Cheesegrater, and the Pinnacle / Helter Skelter.
Dammit, I told them to angle the mirrored glass like I said! Parliament should be in flames and now the authorities have been alerted. They've failed me for the last time!
Unfortunately, the event took place on "Thursday afternoon", i.e. the 29th of August. Good luck making that rhyme;'-(
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Don't build big convex glass buildings
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Animats
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This has been a problem with other big convex glass buildings. A hotel in Vegas had this problem.
Another no-no is building tall buildings where the ground floor level is mostly columns with a small enclosed lobby. Some of the air hitting the building face is forced through the columned area. In a windy area this can produce high wind speeds. MIT's Green Building had this problem until more buildings were built around it.
Re:Don't build big convex glass buildings
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I'm pretty sure you meant "big concave glass buildings".
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Re: Don't build big convex glass buildings
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Anonymous Coward
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Maybe he was inside...
Re:Don't build big convex glass buildings
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Thanshin
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This has been a problem with other big convex glass buildings.
The problem with biconvex buildings is that they roll away. (I think you meant 'concave')
Re:Don't build big convex glass buildings
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Anonymous Coward
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A better statement of the problem is: if you're going to hire a architect from the southern hemisphere to build a building with a big convex glass exterior, make sure he realizes that north of the equator the concave side should face north.
Re: Don't build big convex glass buildings
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His point of reference was from inside the building.
Re:Don't build big convex glass buildings
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Russ1642
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Yeah, because the sun never shines from the north up here! It's complete misconceptions like this that cause these issues.
Re:Don't build big convex glass buildings
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And also for morning sun, bedrooms should face east, rather than west as in the Southern Hemisphere.
Had you going for a second?
Re:Don't build big convex glass buildings
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neonKow
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....It doesn't. That's why moss tends grows on the north side of trees here in the northern hemisphere.
Re:Don't build big convex glass buildings
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Anonymous Coward
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My mother moved to Southern Mexico from Canada, and was surprised when the North side of her house was lit by sunshine during the summer. The thing is, if you're in the Northern hemisphere, but south of the tropic of Cancer, the sun WILL pass the zenith at noon, at some time in the year.
You'd think that they'd either smack the guy and transfer him to designing solar-thermal power systems, or smack the guy and have IT quietly remove all shiny materials from the materials library of his CAD program of choice... Especially after two "Hey, let's build a bloody gigantic concave parabolic reflector in the middle of a crowded area" incidents.
Re:Prior art in Las Vegas
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Anonymous Coward
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Or just make him sit in one of the hot spots all day.
Given how people who have it in large quantities tend to exude it, I've concluded that obnoxious self importance is a compound with a relatively high vapor pressure. I'm not sure I'd risk heating a celebrity architect and causing its full supply to boil off.
What kinds of idiots are designing these things? What other idiots are approving the plans and issuing permits? Quality is going downhill in everything.
Re:Las Vegas too
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Anonymous Coward
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In a throw away, plastic society, Quality control has become obsolete. Far cheaper to let the consumers be the QC analysts
Are we sure this wasn't just an elaborate advert for Hot Wheels?
"Hot Wheels leadin' the waaay!"
Cringe!
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Anonymous Coward
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This building looks exactly like the facetted mirrors for solar power plants. Some idiot probably considered it cute to evoke that image. What's next? Evoking the toppling tower of Pisa in Kyoto?
How can one be an architect and not recognize the cases where optical similarities imply physical ones?
Because they are so up their own arse that they think the derisory nicknames given to these monstrosities of glass and steel, such as Gherkin, Shard, Walkie Talkie, etc., are actually affectionate and we want London to look like Dubai, seeing as most of the prime estate is owned by sheiks.
So far this bullshit hasn't spread across the pond, but they're trying and what is worse, US councilmen are wowed by the opportunity to have a new building designed by dickheads such as Lord Foster (knighted for services to big business alongside desecration of skyline) that it is only a matter of time.
-- "Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
What's wrong with the Gherkin? I can see why some people object to having an old city's skyline marred by skyscrapers, but if we're going to erect tall buildings anyway, I much prefer this over the next rectangular glass-and-steel slab.
-- If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
This is the point. Making big curved mirrors is expensive, so they use lots of straight pieces of glass to make a nice downwards focussing concave effect. So you take a new building with refelctive film on the windows, and you have a pretty good concentrator. Luckily not a very good one because there is a structure in Spain that gets to 4 figure temperatures.
Cant be in America, here the Sun becale an Oracle!
-- Tomorrow is another day...
Re:Must be a hoax
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Anonymous Coward
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Global Warming has resulted in the UK now having a Climate instead of the traditional Weather. The sun glares down most days, rarely being covered by cloud. Whole weeks pass with no rain during the months of summer, I went on holiday to a distant part of the country without any sort of coat, jacket or umbrella. Whoops, we broke the Earth.
Re:Must be a hoax
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I happen to work in an office in a small building, next to the Walkie-Talkie. I saw people "sunbathing" in the glare of the building, but getting out of there after a few seconds. The whole week was particularly hot, but Monday was exceptional. Don't believe the myth that it always rains in London. Also, there was no fog for quite a few months.
Re:Must be a hoax
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Anonymous Coward
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No, you're thinking of Ireland, where the vampires of Europe can live quite unnoticed among the local population. As long as they have a pint of Guinness in front of them, no one cares if you don't actually drink it or eat enything. And once every decade or so, when a ray of direct sunlight gets through the fogs and the low clouds, the native Irish will ignite from it first.
Re:if your car is made of plastic...
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Mashiki
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That's pretty funny, hey did you know that there was an entire line of cars and vans made using poly-composite plastic body panels? Funny enough, switching from steel to plastic or even fiberglass can cut the weight of a vehicle by 30% and give you massive savings on fuel. The downside is, 20 years later as long as you take care of the car it still looks new.
"Far ahead" is not a phrase I would normally associate with the Trabant. It was a car that enforced breaks on the user every half hour to get away from the noise of the engine. Made cross-country trips (I did one across Ireland in a friends trabbie once) a bit more of an epic than usual.
-- Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist
Re:Trabi...
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Anonymous Coward
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Jawohl!! Und sie wurden mit Currywürsten angetrieben. DDR Top Technologie FTW!!
Hmm, the Trabant was made of plastic composite and used a two stroke engine. It was far ahead of its time...
The two stroke engine would have been it's death knell, they're hellishly bad on wear and tear as you might expect, especially with people fudging up mixture ratios. For myself though, I owned a '96 saturn and that thing would easily get 40-45mpg, just as much as some companies are trying to push now on their cars.
Of course if people missed what I said about 20 years later and the car still looking good, that had more to do with the automakers, and the fact that they really didn't rust out like everything else. Sadly what killed my car was the subframe going, all that bloody salt they use up on the roads here in Canada really eats cars.
My friend's late-'70s Honda Accord got over 40 mpg. Road salt in Michigan ate the door post out so badly that after a few years she had to push up on the roof in order to close the driver's door.
-- "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Weather patterns
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Anonymous Coward
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Obviously the engineers failed to factor in the 2 days of sunshine in London every year.
Re:The developers are gonna melt, too - or get bli
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Muros
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Stop making masturbation jokes, and stay focused.
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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ab8ten
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Yep. That hotel in Vegas, The Vdara, was designed by Rafael Vinoly.
The London building was designed by..... Yep. Rafael Vinoly.
No joke.
We have had incidents in which parts melted in summer in Florida from time to time. I recall a ford Pinto steering wheel having melted and slumped off of the wheel. We also see windows burst in cars with good door and window seals every now and then.
For severe bodywork damage on a modern Jag? In London? Bullshit!
Well.... they're apparently made of cheap plastic.
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"For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert"
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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I actually stayed at this place and happened to be sitting in the wrong spot on the pool deck soon after it opened. I quickly found another spot. Hard to believe the same guy would screw up the SAME WAY again.
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"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
They should re-aim the building to a no parking spot.
Or focus it on a spot that can handle it. Perhaps a salt container. Use the molten salt to make steam and use that to make power (as has been done before).
Practical execution of re-aiming a building is left as an exercise to the reader because I have no idea how to do that.
-- Well, I might have a way, but it only works on a semi spherical planet in a vacuum.
You have to admire the owner's restraint on finding his car's been melted.
"'I am the owner. Crikey, that's awful."
Re:Crikey
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Anonymous Coward
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Decades ago, my parents were on a trip with us children in England. It was a seminal drive where my sister terminally established "I get a window seat because I'm getting sick otherwise": we brothers just managed to hand her through to the next window before she exploded barf all over the side of the car and the outside. A few hundred yards onwards my father stopped the car and we started cleaning it up, reverting to sage and other grasses and herbs on the side.
That's when a pair of British pedestrians strolled past us, greeting us with a friendly smile. Which was kind of really embarrassing since the gentleman had barf all over his side. I don't think that there are many countries where you can get that kind of reaction: you are almost certain to get a lot of rage and yelling. Never mind that there rarely is a lot of deliberation involved when children happen to vomit.
"Crikey, that's awful" reminded me of that.
Re:Crikey
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Anonymous Coward
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Well, to be honest, how often do you ever hear of MELTED cars? That alone is a pretty amazing thing to see.
I'd laugh because I know that such an event was probably caused by someone else somewhere else that has a lot of money because melting cars has to be a very deliberate thing to do and would require said money previously mentioned whether it was from solar or some turbo ultra godlike version of wicked lasers devices.
Re:Crikey
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Anonymous Coward
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Well, to be honest, how often do you ever hear of MELTED cars?
Depends on where you are. In the U.S. cars always explode.
Thank Tata, who got rid of any Britishness in them
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sethstorm
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As many corners that had to be cut, thank Tata for such a lower-quality car. At least Ford kept it British.
-- Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Re: Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Anonymous Coward
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There is a pool under that Vegas hotel with a focus hotspot, it gives you the fiery experience of an ant under the magnifying glass
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Anonymous Coward
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Maybe he secretly thinks it's a feature? Lots of kids enjoy focusing sunlight on stuff.
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Anonymous Coward
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Seriously? Oh my.
This guy just wants to watch the world burn. Literally.
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Malc
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He must have thought it wouldn't be a problem in London, what with all the pea soupers and drizzle.
NO The sun melted parts of the car
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Anonymous Coward
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It was not the building that did the melting and it was not the actual car that melted
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Bogis
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Pea Soupers??? Welcome back from the 1950s bro. You and HG Wells must have just missed each other.:)
Re:The developers are gonna melt, too - or get bli
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Don't look at building with remaining eye!
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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dcw3
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Kids these days. No respect for your elders. Now, get the hell off his lawn.
-- Just another day in Paradise
A variant of......
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Anonymous Coward
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(London) Shards with frickin lazors
A variant of......
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PaulJames
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(London) Shards with frickin lazors
Melts some plastic trim on a car
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DrXym
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Still really annoying but somewhat less impressive than if it actually buckled the car, or the heat set the thing on fire.
Re:Melts some plastic trim on a car
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Anonymous Coward
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Remember though in hot countries (think desert) car hoods can get hot enough to cook breakfast on. And the plastic doesn't melt. So this car must still have got pretty toasty.
Death Star
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Anonymous Coward
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I have the feeling Death Star was badly constructed, should have been a concave sphere.
Build big concave reflective structures
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Missed opportunity for solar power collection, if you ask me. Instead of not building curved structures, curve away but do so in a manner that's actually useful and shows some foresight. It's not like we haven't given you ray-tracing technology to make pretty print outs of the damn designs anyway; Use it to map the paths of the sun too you damn dirty apes.
Re:Build big concave reflective structures
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Anonymous Coward
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Missed opportunity for solar power collection, if you ask me. Instead of not building curved structures, curve away but do so in a manner that's actually useful and shows some foresight.
But that's what he did. Those parking places will be hotly contested by owners of electric cars with solar panels.
Re:The developers are gonna melt, too - or get bli
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Joining+Yet+Again
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...on the masturbation?
Note was paper...
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Anonymous Coward
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Good thing the note did not catch fire!
(AC cuz the password db remembers my password at home, I do not.. attribute this comment to Pentalive)
You could not get a better human detecting captcha "crisis" !!
Re:if your car is made of plastic...
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Culture20
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The first time I saw this effect, a local homeowner installed the reflective windows (ordinary flat windows) and their car's plastic driver's side mirror assembly melted over several days of double-sun for a brief period during the day.
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Maybe he's the world's most sophisticated and patient pyromaniac?
-- "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Amazing how just twice as much sun as normal will melt our world. This third rock is an uniquely hospitable, thank Dog.
If the world wasn't this hospitable, life would never have evolved. From what I understand, there are plenty of solar systems where such is the case. Does Dog hate those solar systems?
I'd also ask if they're really "thriving" or just getting by... the ones that apparently can live around high levels of arsenic are the ones that intrigue me!
-- Build it, Drive it, Improve it! Hybridz.org
Re:The developers are gonna melt, too - or get bli
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Re:if your car is made of plastic...
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Anonymous Coward
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perhaps it's actually your fault for failing to pay attention to these kinds of things.
OK, and how do you explain the burned carpet and damaged tile on the stores across the street? Is it their fault for using carpet and tile, and not anticipating the design of a building that had not yet been built?
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Anonymous Coward
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I actually stayed at this place and happened to be sitting in the wrong spot on the pool deck soon after it opened. I quickly found another spot. Hard to believe the same guy would screw up the SAME WAY again.
By this point I think he's doing it on purpose.
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Malc
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As a Londoner myself, I think I'm allowed to take the piss out of Americans who habitually bring up that stereotype, even though it's blatantly not true. As somebody who's lived in a few places around the world, my chief complaints about the weather are that it doesn't get hot enough in summer and the winters are pretty mild and boring too! It doesn't stop the locals whinging like a bunch of babies.
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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The first time is NOT understandable. This isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Does the "Archimedes death ray" ring a bell?
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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Construction on the Vdara began in 2007 and completed in 2009. Major news coverage of the Vdara death ray appears to begin summer 2010.
Construction on the Walkie Talkie began in 2010. They'd reached the basement level by January 2011 according to Wikipedia.
It seems to me that implies plenty of time to alter the design of the rest of the tower.
On the Vdara: "Designers foresaw the issue, and thought they had solved it by installing a high-tech film on the south-facing glass panes" (didn't work, looks like they were excessively optimistic or didn't count on the parabolic effect, just reflection)
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Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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I actually stayed at this place and happened to be sitting in the wrong spot on the pool deck soon after it opened. I quickly found another spot. Hard to believe the same guy would screw up the SAME WAY again.
Hey, if you can't be right, you can at least be consistent.
-- Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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mdielmann
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The first time is NOT understandable. This isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Does the "Archimedes death ray" ring a bell?
No, it was designed to burn ships. Sheesh, rays ringing a bell, how ridiculous.
Someone should dress up in an ant costume and walk into the beam.
-- Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
Cars need to be made out sterner stuff.
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Anonymous Coward
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Holy crap, reflective sunlight did that? Sheesh, their putting way too deflective windows into these new office towers or cars are being made out way to crappy material.
Re:Cars need to be made out sterner stuff.
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That being said... what was the council's planning department doing the day those plans turned up? Oh yeah... Planning departments are all pencil-pushers, not engineers, so they'll rubber stamp anything without giving it any serious consideration! Didn't even check the architect's track record and query if he'd made sure he didn't repeat the same mistake! And they wonder why many of us in the UK do not see our Council Tax as value for money?!?
-- Just my $0.03 (At current exchange rates, my £0.02 is worth more than your $0.02)
Re:Don't build big *concave* glass buildings
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I bet a pulsed laser could do it, although you might need a new bell after not too many shots. Or a replaceable ablative plate, which your laser system won't miss.
I recall a friend telling me years ago that when he went to work at Raytheon, he asked why there was a big triangle of the employee parking lot that was unused. It turned out that there was a microwave transmitter pointed that way that was still strong enough in that area that car upholstery and such would break down in just a couple of months of exposure.
Hmmm.
Not exactly "melting" the cars, but I would want to give that a good wide berth.
Re:if your car is made of plastic...
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Anonymous Coward
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This was a Jaguar not a cheap Ford Fiesta.
I can't beleive we haven't leveraged this yet
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This is the third story in 10 years I've seen on building reflecting enough light to heat things up way past what people are happy with, why aren't we designing new buildings to leverage the thermal energy they reflect ?
Reflected light means less absorbed heat on the structure.
Reflected and directed light can be utilized for positive application.
When it's happening by accident, and nobody's figured out how to do it on purpose for a positive application, THAT tells me people are getting dumber and dumber.
What a world... what a world...
The Disney Concert Hall actually had to be "brushed". It was originally too shiny, and focused the sunlight in places. They had to give it a brushed finish after the fact to avoid this.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-02-24-concert-hall_x.htm
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
If you say "Building melts car," I expect to see a photo of an entire car melted. Seriously.
The car isn't made of plastic, it was sail trim and not the entire car. Not the first building to do this and even residential homes have been accused of doing the same to neighbors siding when low E windows are installed...
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that it's not uncommon for plastic bottles of water to cause fires when the sun's rays are focussed through them. Don't leave your bottles in the sun.
work in progress
Is this some new super villain with heat vision, the ability to morph into giant skyscrapers, and telepathy?
From TFA: "...they looked into the matter...".
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
Dammit, I told them to angle the mirrored glass like I said! Parliament should be in flames and now the authorities have been alerted. They've failed me for the last time!
This has been a problem with other big convex glass buildings. A hotel in Vegas had this problem.
Another no-no is building tall buildings where the ground floor level is mostly columns with a small enclosed lobby. Some of the air hitting the building face is forced through the columned area. In a windy area this can produce high wind speeds. MIT's Green Building had this problem until more buildings were built around it.
Worst headline ever.
Better known as 318230.
This is what happens when someone takes the concept of an Ice Cream Truck too literally.
Reminded me of this article a couple years back:
http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/09/29/1622250/las-vegas-hotel-vdara-an-accidental-death-ray
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1316444/Las-Vegas-death-ray-hotel-leaves-guests-badly-burnt.html
What kinds of idiots are designing these things? What other idiots are approving the plans and issuing permits? Quality is going downhill in everything.
Rosie O'Donnell told me that steel doesn't melt!
Are we sure this wasn't just an elaborate advert for Hot Wheels?
"Hot Wheels leadin' the waaay!"
This building looks exactly like the facetted mirrors for solar power plants. Some idiot probably considered it cute to evoke that image. What's next? Evoking the toppling tower of Pisa in Kyoto?
How can one be an architect and not recognize the cases where optical similarities imply physical ones?
Can't be. This is supposed to have happened in the UK, where there are only vague rumours that there's such an entity as the sun.
In the UK, the Sun is flat, made of paper and ink, and would definitely melt people's character if it gets a chance.
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That's pretty funny, hey did you know that there was an entire line of cars and vans made using poly-composite plastic body panels? Funny enough, switching from steel to plastic or even fiberglass can cut the weight of a vehicle by 30% and give you massive savings on fuel. The downside is, 20 years later as long as you take care of the car it still looks new.
Om, nomnomnom...
Hmm, the Trabant was made of plastic composite and used a two stroke engine. It was far ahead of its time...
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
Obviously the engineers failed to factor in the 2 days of sunshine in London every year.
Stop making masturbation jokes, and stay focused.
Yep. That hotel in Vegas, The Vdara, was designed by Rafael Vinoly. The London building was designed by..... Yep. Rafael Vinoly. No joke.
I have no
We have had incidents in which parts melted in summer in Florida from time to time. I recall a ford Pinto steering wheel having melted and slumped off of the wheel. We also see windows burst in cars with good door and window seals every now and then.
For severe bodywork damage on a modern Jag? In London? Bullshit!
Remember kids: What's right isn't as important as what's profitable.
I actually stayed at this place and happened to be sitting in the wrong spot on the pool deck soon after it opened. I quickly found another spot. Hard to believe the same guy would screw up the SAME WAY again.
"There are laws that enslave men, and laws that set them free. " - Sean Connery as King Arthur
Worst headline ever.
It's OK to use it sometimes. Parabole on the other hand...
Set your phasers on "funky"!
They should re-aim the building to a no parking spot.
Or focus it on a spot that can handle it. Perhaps a salt container. Use the molten salt to make steam and use that to make power (as has been done before).
Practical execution of re-aiming a building is left as an exercise to the reader because I have no idea how to do that.
Well, I might have a way, but it only works on a semi spherical planet in a vacuum.
I am the architect of that building. Sorry, but I really hated that car.
Maybe that guy should lose his license. The first time is understandable - but the second?
You have to admire the owner's restraint on finding his car's been melted.
"'I am the owner. Crikey, that's awful."
As many corners that had to be cut, thank Tata for such a lower-quality car. At least Ford kept it British.
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There is a pool under that Vegas hotel with a focus hotspot, it gives you the fiery experience of an ant under the magnifying glass
Maybe he secretly thinks it's a feature? Lots of kids enjoy focusing sunlight on stuff.
Seriously? Oh my.
This guy just wants to watch the world burn. Literally.
He must have thought it wouldn't be a problem in London, what with all the pea soupers and drizzle.
It was not the building that did the melting and it was not the actual car that melted
Pea Soupers??? Welcome back from the 1950s bro. You and HG Wells must have just missed each other. :)
Don't look at building with remaining eye!
Kids these days. No respect for your elders. Now, get the hell off his lawn.
Just another day in Paradise
(London) Shards with frickin lazors
(London) Shards with frickin lazors
Still really annoying but somewhat less impressive than if it actually buckled the car, or the heat set the thing on fire.
I have the feeling Death Star was badly constructed, should have been a concave sphere.
Missed opportunity for solar power collection, if you ask me. Instead of not building curved structures, curve away but do so in a manner that's actually useful and shows some foresight. It's not like we haven't given you ray-tracing technology to make pretty print outs of the damn designs anyway; Use it to map the paths of the sun too you damn dirty apes.
...on the masturbation?
Good thing the note did not catch fire!
(AC cuz the password db remembers my password at home, I do not.. attribute this comment to Pentalive)
You could not get a better human detecting captcha "crisis" !!
The first time I saw this effect, a local homeowner installed the reflective windows (ordinary flat windows) and their car's plastic driver's side mirror assembly melted over several days of double-sun for a brief period during the day.
Maybe he's the world's most sophisticated and patient pyromaniac?
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Amazing how just twice as much sun as normal will melt our world. This third rock is an uniquely hospitable, thank Dog.
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*golf clap*
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The frigging Sun melted to car, not the building.
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At the time the problem was found at Vdara the Walkie Talkie was already under construction. It was originally meant to open in 2011.
The guy's car could have been smashed by a large chunk of rotting whale carcass.
Link to the video in case you don't get the reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBgThvB_IDQ
perhaps it's actually your fault for failing to pay attention to these kinds of things.
OK, and how do you explain the burned carpet and damaged tile on the stores across the street? Is it their fault for using carpet and tile, and not anticipating the design of a building that had not yet been built?
I actually stayed at this place and happened to be sitting in the wrong spot on the pool deck soon after it opened. I quickly found another spot. Hard to believe the same guy would screw up the SAME WAY again.
By this point I think he's doing it on purpose.
As a Londoner myself, I think I'm allowed to take the piss out of Americans who habitually bring up that stereotype, even though it's blatantly not true. As somebody who's lived in a few places around the world, my chief complaints about the weather are that it doesn't get hot enough in summer and the winters are pretty mild and boring too! It doesn't stop the locals whinging like a bunch of babies.
The first time is NOT understandable. This isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Does the "Archimedes death ray" ring a bell?
Construction on the Vdara began in 2007 and completed in 2009.
Major news coverage of the Vdara death ray appears to begin summer 2010.
Construction on the Walkie Talkie began in 2010. They'd reached the basement level by January 2011 according to Wikipedia.
It seems to me that implies plenty of time to alter the design of the rest of the tower.
On the Vdara:
"Designers foresaw the issue, and thought they had solved it by installing a high-tech film on the south-facing glass panes"
(didn't work, looks like they were excessively optimistic or didn't count on the parabolic effect, just reflection)
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I actually stayed at this place and happened to be sitting in the wrong spot on the pool deck soon after it opened. I quickly found another spot. Hard to believe the same guy would screw up the SAME WAY again.
Hey, if you can't be right, you can at least be consistent.
Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?
The first time is NOT understandable. This isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Does the "Archimedes death ray" ring a bell?
No, it was designed to burn ships. Sheesh, rays ringing a bell, how ridiculous.
Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?
Someone should dress up in an ant costume and walk into the beam.
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
Holy crap, reflective sunlight did that? Sheesh, their putting way too deflective windows into these new office towers or cars are being made out way to crappy material.
I bet a pulsed laser could do it, although you might need a new bell after not too many shots. Or a replaceable ablative plate, which your laser system won't miss.
Maybe they could put a big sculpture of an ant at the focal point.
I recall a friend telling me years ago that when he went to work at Raytheon, he asked why there was a big triangle of the employee parking lot that was unused. It turned out that there was a microwave transmitter pointed that way that was still strong enough in that area that car upholstery and such would break down in just a couple of months of exposure. Hmmm. Not exactly "melting" the cars, but I would want to give that a good wide berth.
This was a Jaguar not a cheap Ford Fiesta.
This is the third story in 10 years I've seen on building reflecting enough light to heat things up way past what people are happy with, why aren't we designing new buildings to leverage the thermal energy they reflect ?
Reflected light means less absorbed heat on the structure.
Reflected and directed light can be utilized for positive application.
When it's happening by accident, and nobody's figured out how to do it on purpose for a positive application, THAT tells me people are getting dumber and dumber.