> The file selector is fine, I do not see the problem with it at all.
Do you not realize that that is pretty much the #1 complaint with GNOME? Why wasn't it included in GNOME 2.0, or even 2.2? Why rely on gtk 2.4 for this? GNOME is using, and has used in the past, many of it's own widgets in gnome-ui.
> when I tried KDE 3.1, that the way it seems so overdone has always turned me off from KDE.
Uhm, it depends on how much of KDE you install. If you just emerge kdebase, for example, you get an extremely clean desktop (I count four icons on kicker from a freshly emerge'd KDE)
> Anyway, it has occurred to me that this cleanliness could be awfully appealing to a commercial company looking for a basic environment upon which to build a branded, heavily customized one.
Guess that isn't so, with companies like Coral (the first to do this), Lindows, Xandros, and Lycoris essentially doing this to KDE. SuSE, RH (with 8.0), also customize KDE, but not to the level that Corel/Lindows/Xandros/Lycoris do. Mandrake also does it to some degree.
Ximian also has done this in the past with GNOME. So has RH (depends on the version, a lot with 8.0) and Mandrake (to a lesser degree).
So, basically, either one is, and can be customized pretty easily and branded, as many people have done in the past.
Didn't stallman, although having used GNOME (I remember him bitching that he couldn't print a document from his desktop in gmc), say that he went back to a desktop without X at all?
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> Gnome is the GNU desktop whereas trolltech is a commercial company.
And more recently, Gnome has become more commercialized (sun, HP, Ximian, etc..), while KDE has made inroads into governments.
> Politics don't enter into it for me it's personal preference
That SUN is finally replacing the archaic CDE. However, there seems to be a pretty large gap in release time. GNOME 2.2 is almost out. Will it be "officially" released for Solaris onc GNOME 2.4 comes out? I don't think Sun is doing a service to Solaris users here by using such a old version. One could argue that they made sure that everything is stable, but the fact is that GNOME 2.2 itself has more bug fixes from GNOME 2.0.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard, Mike Dillon, and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
> Over the last several years, the GNOME usability movement has degenerated into a "hackers good ole boys club" consisting of a bunch of linux programmers who seem like they'd rather be spending their time in vi writing bash scripts.
Which is I guess why GNOME 2 is vastly more usable than GNOME 1.x (uggggggghhh) was?
> Upload limiting is something DC is SEVERLY lacking... many more people would leave DC connected if it didn't KILL your connection when someone started downloading from you. Lack of bandwidth management creates leechers.
No it isn't... use a client that supports it such as dc_gui/dctc for linux. It not only lets you set upload bandwidth, but allows you to priortize the packets. And, for leechers like myself, you can set share offsets (so, if you want to look like if you are sharing 900 GB of files, you can), as well as "virtual share directories", which is basically fake sharing built in the client. It's been a while since I actually shared anything on DC:)
What's the equivalent to this project in gtk? The closest thing I can think of is Evolution, but it doesn't offer a server.
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> Is KDE feeling their testicles squeezed by Ximian pushing gnome on the Desktop?
Hmm.. KDE is not a company. KDE developers (usually) work on what they like to hack on.
> What does the German Goverment get out of this anyways?
Perhaps a complete workgroup solution?
Things like evolution are cool, but it's far from a complete solution. It only provides the frontend. This project provides both the frontend and the backend (servers).
> But for the love of god could they please drop the name "Kroupware".
Pretty much it's already been dropped. Unfortunately, all the previous reports about it have been with the name "kroupware", so I expect cnet got it from there. The server's name is kollab.
> Yes i know Kmail is mess but why do they expect us to download another app which does the exact same thing?
kmailcool (and kroupware additions) will eventually be merged into the main kmail branch. in fact, bits and pieces have already been done.
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I disagree.. KDE seems very suited for the korporate world.
There is no longer much need of Quicktime decoders of any sort on Linux--- they are handled pretty much easily through mplayer (which is a LOT better media player than quicktime player). However, what is needed is the quicktime decoders. Of course, I doubt Apple will port it to Linux anytime soon, but in the long run, it will just be reverse engineered.
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> The file selector is fine, I do not see the problem with it at all.
Do you not realize that that is pretty much the #1 complaint with GNOME? Why wasn't it included in GNOME 2.0, or even 2.2? Why rely on gtk 2.4 for this? GNOME is using, and has used in the past, many of it's own widgets in gnome-ui.
> when I tried KDE 3.1, that the way it seems so overdone has always turned me off from KDE.
Uhm, it depends on how much of KDE you install. If you just emerge kdebase, for example, you get an extremely clean desktop (I count four icons on kicker from a freshly emerge'd KDE)
> Anyway, it has occurred to me that this cleanliness could be awfully appealing to a commercial company looking for a basic environment upon which to build a branded, heavily customized one.
Guess that isn't so, with companies like Coral (the first to do this), Lindows, Xandros, and Lycoris essentially doing this to KDE. SuSE, RH (with 8.0), also customize KDE, but not to the level that Corel/Lindows/Xandros/Lycoris do. Mandrake also does it to some degree.
Ximian also has done this in the past with GNOME. So has RH (depends on the version, a lot with 8.0) and Mandrake (to a lesser degree).
So, basically, either one is, and can be customized pretty easily and branded, as many people have done in the past.
Didn't stallman, although having used GNOME (I remember him bitching that he couldn't print a document from his desktop in gmc), say that he went back to a desktop without X at all?
> Gnome is the GNU desktop whereas trolltech is a commercial company.
And more recently, Gnome has become more commercialized (sun, HP, Ximian, etc..), while KDE has made inroads into governments.
> Politics don't enter into it for me it's personal preference
exactly. use what you like.
That SUN is finally replacing the archaic CDE. However, there seems to be a pretty large gap in release time. GNOME 2.2 is almost out. Will it be "officially" released for Solaris onc GNOME 2.4 comes out? I don't think Sun is doing a service to Solaris users here by using such a old version. One could argue that they made sure that everything is stable, but the fact is that GNOME 2.2 itself has more bug fixes from GNOME 2.0.
it's funny how imdb.com runs *BSD and Matt Dillon is an actor, heh.
It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard, Mike Dillon , and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
That isn't exactly a good migration path for people who are currently running windows (95% of the computer users in the world.)
It's a good idea to copy good things from windows, which both GNOME and KDE do.
Actually, Mozilla is broken enough to have this feature, while IE isn't.
It's pretty much run/hosted by Havoc Pennington.. Not sure if Redhat itself is officially involved in such activities or not.
Anyways, it's good that they are doing this. Bluecurve was a nice start, but it's just a theme.
> Over the last several years, the GNOME usability movement has degenerated into a "hackers good ole boys club" consisting of a bunch of linux programmers who seem like they'd rather be spending their time in vi writing bash scripts.
Which is I guess why GNOME 2 is vastly more usable than GNOME 1.x (uggggggghhh) was?
Well, XFCE is pretty much a straight clone of CDE. Any apps written for XFCE should be similiar working/looking to their CDE replacements.
GNOME and KDE, however, bring in inspiriation from a variety of sources, and thus need to have their own guidelines.
Or perhaps it was a reaction to rh8 messing up their software (doubt it, havoc is a rh employee, and he's involved with this)
I'm not sure why they chose to use both Sphere and Crystal. Both are very good bythemselves, but mixed together like that, it looks bad.
:)
And there should be a bit more spacing in the titlebar
> Upload limiting is something DC is SEVERLY lacking ... many more people would leave DC connected if it didn't KILL your connection when someone started downloading from you.
:)
Lack of bandwidth management creates leechers.
No it isn't... use a client that supports it such as dc_gui/dctc for linux. It not only lets you set upload bandwidth, but allows you to priortize the packets. And, for leechers like myself, you can set share offsets (so, if you want to look like if you are sharing 900 GB of files, you can), as well as "virtual share directories", which is basically fake sharing built in the client. It's been a while since I actually shared anything on DC
Uh, grandparent poster said that the person should share what people want on the p2p network (which is usually illegal)
> KDE still can't get the Desktop menu right, though. *grins*
:)
What do you mean?
> Why bother reinventing the wheel?
What's the equivalent to this project in gtk? The closest thing I can think of is Evolution, but it doesn't offer a server.
> Is KDE feeling their testicles squeezed by Ximian pushing gnome on the Desktop?
Hmm.. KDE is not a company. KDE developers (usually) work on what they like to hack on.
> What does the German Goverment get out of this anyways?
Perhaps a complete workgroup solution?
Things like evolution are cool, but it's far from a complete solution. It only provides the frontend. This project provides both the frontend and the backend (servers).
I guess that's what the German Government needed.
> But for the love of god could they please drop the name "Kroupware".
Pretty much it's already been dropped. Unfortunately, all the previous reports about it have been with the name "kroupware", so I expect cnet got it from there. The server's name is kollab.
> Yes i know Kmail is mess but why do they expect us to download another app which does the exact same thing?
kmailcool (and kroupware additions) will eventually be merged into the main kmail branch. in fact, bits and pieces have already been done.
I disagree.. KDE seems very suited for the korporate world.
> QuickTime is a media framework.
Yep.. I meant, codecs supported by QuickTime.
There is no longer much need of Quicktime decoders of any sort on Linux--- they are handled pretty much easily through mplayer (which is a LOT better media player than quicktime player). However, what is needed is the quicktime decoders. Of course, I doubt Apple will port it to Linux anytime soon, but in the long run, it will just be reverse engineered.
> If you want to run KDE or Gnome, buy a PC instead.
Or run Linux on it?
> three month old Radeons.
Erm, try six month old radeons.