> What I gather from other reviews is that ATI cards render scenes with a shitload of textures and other crap in it faster, whereas NV30 is slower on those scenes.
> Anyone else think that debian is getting a bit anal in these matters?
Yes.. I've always thought so. Like you, I was also a long-time Debian user, and I too switched from it to Gentoo. I know some people use Debian because it is the most "pure" distro, but I didn't. I used it because of apt. I used debian-unstable, and I noticed gradually that the wealth of new packages was going down the tubes. So I switched to Gentoo, which I am extremely happy with.
> What is surprising, even AMD CPUs benefit from the icc-compiled code.
This isn't suprising, as AMD CPUs have always shown remarkable increases in performance with icc (sometimes even more than equivalent intel chips). I guess AMD does a really good job in making the Athlon a x86 chip.
ooh.. very nice. indeed, very droll-worthy. might give me a reason to start using xdm/gdm/kdm:)
Re:kde 3.1 questions
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> 1.- I feel that both gnome and kde are getting very bloated.. does kde packages allow me an easy selection of what I want to install?
The KDE project only releases source tarballs. It's up to the distros to decide how they want to package it. Debian, for example, splits the packages into every app.
> 2.- Does kde have something like the graphical greeter in gnome (2.x only I belive)??
You mean gdm? yeah, kde has had kdm for a very long time.
XFree86 still sucks..
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Ok, the name and all the "x"s that every app has in its name. xterm, xeyes, xlogo, xmag, xwinfo, xev, xhost, etc...
> Frankly, KHTML is trash, pure and simple. The 2.x version can't handle CSS2 worth a damn, I see the 3.x version crash and burn on more sites than *Netscape 4*, and the design philosophy attempts to be to bring WinMSIE's boneheaded and f***ing annoying bugs to other platforms.
What are you basing this from? there is no KHTML 2.0 and 3.0? What are these magical version numbers for KHTML coming from?
> because to be quite honest for 99.99999% of the world [ Except for the three to ten percent of us who use Mozilla (and derivatives), Opera, or Konq, which all have TABBED BROWSING.
Yep.. KDE and GNOME in fact, share both standards and code. For example, KDE uses libart_lgpl from gnomecvs (and more too!)
It's great that we have choices.. without GNOME, KDE would not be so great today, and without KDE, GNOME would not exist today.
Re:superb desktop, always top notch from the KDE t
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> Konqueror (and presumably KDE) seems to have its own set of standards for control keys
Hmm.. F5is reload in IE (ctrl-R has different behavior.. it's refresh from cache). I really wouldn't call that non-standard, as IE is still the most dominant browser.
Anyways.. it's configureable.. in konq, settings menu->configure shortcuts
> For the gold medal of who creates the ugliest interface ever. KDE 3.1 gets even closer to that shit.
sigh.. Obviously you talk about GNOME 1.4.x is the"most configurable interface so far", yet you don't know how to change the style in KDE (or chose a simple radio button when kpersonalizer is run at the very first time!)
i *beleive* in KDE 3.1, you can use xscreensaver screensavers in KDE.
> Someone please tell me why they decided to roll their own screensaver when they had a perfectly good one already exsisting!
Because back in KDE 1.x, xscreensaver/xlock did not fit KDE's needs at the time (e.g, it was before architectural changes occured xscreensaver)
Re:Basic desktop functionality
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> But there is no way to specify this for each directory.
In KDE 3.1, settings menu->view properties saved in directory..
Anything changed with the view menu will be saved with the directory (such as icon mode, icon size, sorting, background image, background color, file previews, whether hidden files are shown, whether directory icons reflect contents)
This has been available in KDE for a very long time, and in windows as well (since ~98SE or so).
The only thing that can't be done through this is showing the sidebar (I think!), and saving window size.. but both of these can be done with KDE's excellent scripting facility, dcop.
I think GNOME2 is actually more usable than KDE (except for things like configuration.. a regedit clone in gnome2.. wtf were they thinking?), but it really is lacking a lot in the features department as a desktop.
Re:Do they have an installer yet?
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> Is there a site which explains the basics like qt/kde and how to smoothly upgrade ?
There is a pretty nice KDE requirements page here. It tells you what you need to install for 3.1 and what is recommended. After that, in order, install arts, kdelibs, kdebase, and you should have a functional KDE desktop. Then the other packages can be installed pretty much in any order.
Re:Do they have an installer yet?
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What distro are you running? If you are on a rpm-based distro or debian, try installing apt.
If you are on a BSD, install KDE from ports. If you are on gentoo, just type emerge kde (3.1-final has been in gentoo since yesterday:))
Re:Not surprising for other reasons...
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>...namely that RedHat generally never releases packages for new packages for _anything_ to current distributions, other than to fix bugs.
Funny.. while Redhat never did, people at Redhat release packages for what many people consider important and hard to install (such as KDE and GNOME).
For a long time, bero made KDE packages as new versions of KDE rolled out (used to be at http://people.redhat.com/bero/)
And hp provided GNOME rh(7.x/8) rpms in the form of GNOMEhide.
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> What I gather from other reviews is that ATI cards render scenes with a shitload of textures and other crap in it faster, whereas NV30 is slower on those scenes.
four words: better memory bandwidth management
They wouldn't even have to include a patch, because mplayer is GPL minus the binary thing. They should handle it like they handle kernel sources.
> Anyone else think that debian is getting a bit anal in these matters?
Yes.. I've always thought so. Like you, I was also a long-time Debian user, and I too switched from it to Gentoo. I know some people use Debian because it is the most "pure" distro, but I didn't. I used it because of apt. I used debian-unstable, and I noticed gradually that the wealth of new packages was going down the tubes. So I switched to Gentoo, which I am extremely happy with.
Except that in this case, mplayer supports quite a bit more codecs than xine does.
Of course, xine has a non-assholy devel team, which gives it lots of brownie points.
> What is surprising, even AMD CPUs benefit from the icc-compiled code.
This isn't suprising, as AMD CPUs have always shown remarkable increases in performance with icc (sometimes even more than equivalent intel chips). I guess AMD does a really good job in making the Athlon a x86 chip.
ooh.. very nice. indeed, very droll-worthy. might give me a reason to start using xdm/gdm/kdm :)
> 1.- I feel that both gnome and kde are getting very bloated.. does kde packages allow me an easy selection of what I want to install?
The KDE project only releases source tarballs. It's up to the distros to decide how they want to package it. Debian, for example, splits the packages into every app.
> 2.- Does kde have something like the graphical greeter in gnome (2.x only I belive)??
You mean gdm? yeah, kde has had kdm for a very long time.
Ok, the name and all the "x"s that every app has in its name.
xterm, xeyes, xlogo, xmag, xwinfo, xev, xhost, etc...
Opera != Omniweb.
Opera 7 is probably more robust than KHTML, which is more robust than Opera 6.
In some ways, Opera 7 is more standards compliant than Gecko is.
However, their Mac version is a POS.
> Frankly, KHTML is trash, pure and simple. The 2.x version can't handle CSS2 worth a damn, I see the 3.x version crash and burn on more sites than *Netscape 4*, and the design philosophy attempts to be to bring WinMSIE's boneheaded and f***ing annoying bugs to other platforms.
What are you basing this from? there is no KHTML 2.0 and 3.0? What are these magical version numbers for KHTML coming from?
> because to be quite honest for 99.99999% of the world [
Except for the three to ten percent of us who use Mozilla (and derivatives), Opera, or Konq, which all have TABBED BROWSING.
> THERE IS NO GNOME VS KDE WAR!!!!!!!
Yep.. KDE and GNOME in fact, share both standards and code. For example, KDE uses libart_lgpl from gnomecvs (and more too!)
It's great that we have choices.. without GNOME, KDE would not be so great today, and without KDE, GNOME would not exist today.
> Konqueror (and presumably KDE) seems to have its own set of standards for control keys
Hmm.. F5is reload in IE (ctrl-R has different behavior.. it's refresh from cache). I really wouldn't call that non-standard, as IE is still the most dominant browser.
Anyways.. it's configureable.. in konq, settings menu->configure shortcuts
> For the gold medal of who creates the ugliest interface ever. KDE 3.1 gets even closer to that shit.
sigh.. Obviously you talk about GNOME 1.4.x is the"most configurable interface so far", yet you don't know how to change the style in KDE (or chose a simple radio button when kpersonalizer is run at the very first time!)
braindead.. very braindead.
i *beleive* in KDE 3.1, you can use xscreensaver screensavers in KDE.
> Someone please tell me why they decided to roll their own screensaver when they had a perfectly good one already exsisting!
Because back in KDE 1.x, xscreensaver/xlock did not fit KDE's needs at the time (e.g, it was before architectural changes occured xscreensaver)
> But there is no way to specify this for each directory.
In KDE 3.1, settings menu->view properties saved in directory..
Anything changed with the view menu will be saved with the directory (such as icon mode, icon size, sorting, background image, background color, file previews, whether hidden files are shown, whether directory icons reflect contents)
This has been available in KDE for a very long time, and in windows as well (since ~98SE or so).
The only thing that can't be done through this is showing the sidebar (I think!), and saving window size.. but both of these can be done with KDE's excellent scripting facility, dcop.
It's not like if the Mac version of opera was good anyways.. it really wasn't.
And I do like opera on Linux and Windows (especially Opera 7 on windows).
> the open and save dialogs.
Uhm, I don't think the open/save dialogs have changed much from 3.0.
> Great job KDE, now I wonder how Gnome will counter such a great release.
Perhaps a better open/save dialog?
I always used ctrl-w in mozilla, and still do in konq. (and I mapped new tab to ctrl-t... settings menu->configure shortcuts)
I think GNOME2 is actually more usable than KDE (except for things like configuration.. a regedit clone in gnome2.. wtf were they thinking?), but it really is lacking a lot in the features department as a desktop.
> Is there a site which explains the basics like qt/kde and how to smoothly upgrade ?
There is a pretty nice KDE requirements page here. It tells you what you need to install for 3.1 and what is recommended. After that, in order, install arts, kdelibs, kdebase, and you should have a functional KDE desktop. Then the other packages can be installed pretty much in any order.
What distro are you running? If you are on a rpm-based distro or debian, try installing apt.
:))
If you are on a BSD, install KDE from ports.
If you are on gentoo, just type emerge kde (3.1-final has been in gentoo since yesterday
> ...namely that RedHat generally never releases packages for new packages for _anything_ to current distributions, other than to fix bugs.
Funny.. while Redhat never did, people at Redhat release packages for what many people consider important and hard to install (such as KDE and GNOME).
For a long time, bero made KDE packages as new versions of KDE rolled out (used to be at http://people.redhat.com/bero/)
And hp provided GNOME rh(7.x/8) rpms in the form of GNOMEhide.
I think that people meant a set of RPMS for rh 8.
> Fucking KDE crybabies.
uhh....? Is it too unreasonable to expect a distro to support their current version of RedHat?
> However, I prefer the Mist theme for GTK2 [ximian.com] above all those, they look good, clean, and imho pretty sophisticated.
:)
erm.. I think that looks a bit... hmm.. flat.. looks like a mix of the light v2/light v3/ and dotNET styles for kde.
but I guess to each to their own
Aqua really changed the whole themeing scene, however. Windows95 did similarily. How many UI's similiar to Windows 3.1 did you see after 95 come out?