Once again, you can't compare Phoenix and Safari. It's unfair because x86 (assuming that's what Phoenix is running on), nearly always has much smaller binaries than ppc binaries.
Chimera (on PPC) is much bigger than Safari (on PPC). Safari comes in a 3 mb d/l.
After Linux, it'll be FreeBSD, then Solaris, then OSX, then WindowsXP/2k/NT... then anything else with any level of sysv-related POSIX complience, which all the afortmentioned have.
I'm not sure what you mean. KDE 3.0's graphics by default look pretty much like KDE 2.x. It was released before either things like Keramik or crystal-SVG were ready for inclusion into KDE.
KDE 3.1, however, will have the new looks.
> Get with it guys.
Well, pretty much the rest of the world is headed towards OSX-ish graphics. WindowsXP went there. Most OSX-ish related icons on kde-look are highly popular. It's just the new modern look.
I also think a point has to be made that these are original works of art. They aren't knockoffs, but derive insipiration from other previous works.
Anyways, if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to use whatever is default. In fact, it's a option to use "Classic" themese in kpersonalizer, which is run the first time KDE is run. All it takes is one mouse/keystroke.
Everaldo Coelho: By the way, for me, KDE-Look is a big basket of ideas and there is lots of good stuff there.
Yep, most definatley. KDE was once chastized for not having many options open for people who did not prefer the hicolor/locolor icons. There were really not that many icon sets available for kde before KDE-look opened. But now, if you go to the icons section of kde-look, there are a LOT of them. KDE-look attracted quite a few of the artistic type, especially with other sites having trouble (especially the whole themes.org version 2 fiasco.) This has really made kde's customizability shine.
btw, I'm not sure why this article got delegated to the developers section of slashdot... it has nothing to do with art.
> he's [Leonardo DeCraprio] is a good, attractive young actor,
In Soviet Russia, you would have been shot for that and your extended family would have been purged.
It reminds me how pathetic Slashdot has become. The workers need to have a blood revolution and replace that assnugget taco and special buddy jeff homos masterbaytor.
Yep, I agree. After using Debian for four years (since Hamm), for _all_ of my boxes, whether they be server (stable, production setup) or workstation boxes (usually as bleeding edge as I can be), I've finally become 100% debain free.
All my server boxes are pretty much running FreeBSD. I also have a router box that's running Redhat 5.2 (it's really old and I don't want to break the uptime)
My workstations are all running Gentoo linux right now. Both ports and portage are a pleasure to use. Apt kept me on Debian for a long time, however, there are better alternatives out there. I especially enjoy the much improved fine-grained control possible through source based distros.
> they're releasing a new version of mandrake linux and they're cutting things out of the desktop distro so that it'll fit on one CD. they've set up a poll for all mandrake users to pick and choose which features they want to ship on the CD.
correction.. it's only for people who are club members. I guess it's a incentive for people to join the club, and a rather good one at that.
> It's interesting how so many Linux users complain about how horrible Microsoft products are , yet at the same time embrace things like Wine, Crossover and now potential ports of MS products
Most people use Wine to run software that runs on windows, which are often NOT made by Microsoft. That is a big difference. I, for example, use wine to run Kazaa Lite, wc3, diablo2, sof2, none of which is available in Linux natively. If they were, I'd use the native versions most likely.
> they also like to have Windows-ish desktops, ala GNOME and KDE
What many people who complain that GNOME and KDE are "windows-ish" forget that these desktops not only take elements from Windows, but they also take from a broad range of other desktops too, including MacOS, BeOS, AmigaOS, OS/2, etc.. If they didn't, these desktops wouldn't be so configurable.
> Why kHTML? Is it faster than Gecko, or easier to hook into, or something?
Yes, and Yes, and also the fact that it's one-tenth the size of Gecko (and even more if you consider other Moz-related APIs such as xul.)
Keep in mind that the Apple engineers who made Safari are no stranger to Gecko; the Safari team includes the author of Chimera and XBL (David Hyatt), and one of the guys who originally took Mozilla open sourced (Don Melton). Gecko just didn't fit into what they wanted. In terms of other (non-Gecko) open sourced engines, there really isn't any better one besides khtml.
Uhm, if you think Mozilla invented the Popup killer, Phoenix invented instant bookmark categorizing, or that Phoenix invented the google toolbar, you're sadly mistaken.
It's pretty simple really. khtml is far smaller and lighter than gecko is. Thus, it's quite a bit easier to achieve large levels of integration with the underlying OS with khtml than with gecko.
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No. Phoenix does not run on OSX. A better comparison would be to Chimera. (which is indeed, much larger than Safari)
BTW, chimera=24 mb on my box
And in fact, Chimera is based on a Mozilla version that doesn't even support MathML.
No. Phoenix does not run on OSX. A better comparison would be to Chimera (which is indeed, much larger than Safari)
Once again, you can't compare Phoenix and Safari. It's unfair because x86 (assuming that's what Phoenix is running on), nearly always has much smaller binaries than ppc binaries.
Chimera (on PPC) is much bigger than Safari (on PPC). Safari comes in a 3 mb d/l.
It doesn't.. because it's not real D:
Am I missing something here, or is he full of shit?
The latter. I can't beleive the register posted a story about him.
Ransome Love left Caldera^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSCO a while ago.
After Linux, it'll be FreeBSD, then Solaris, then OSX, then WindowsXP/2k/NT... then anything else with any level of sysv-related POSIX complience, which all the afortmentioned have.
> Anybody notice any concrete differences?
Hmm, it does seem to run the CSS tests now (and does pretty well)
> KDE 3.0's graphics were just horrid.
I'm not sure what you mean. KDE 3.0's graphics by default look pretty much like KDE 2.x. It was released before either things like Keramik or crystal-SVG were ready for inclusion into KDE.
KDE 3.1, however, will have the new looks.
> Get with it guys.
Well, pretty much the rest of the world is headed towards OSX-ish graphics. WindowsXP went there. Most OSX-ish related icons on kde-look are highly popular. It's just the new modern look.
I also think a point has to be made that these are original works of art. They aren't knockoffs, but derive insipiration from other previous works.
Anyways, if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to use whatever is default. In fact, it's a option to use "Classic" themese in kpersonalizer, which is run the first time KDE is run. All it takes is one mouse/keystroke.
Everaldo Coelho: By the way, for me, KDE-Look is a big basket of ideas and there is lots of good stuff there.
Yep, most definatley. KDE was once chastized for not having many options open for people who did not prefer the hicolor/locolor icons. There were really not that many icon sets available for kde before KDE-look opened. But now, if you go to the icons section of kde-look, there are a LOT of them. KDE-look attracted quite a few of the artistic type, especially with other sites having trouble (especially the whole themes.org version 2 fiasco.) This has really made kde's customizability shine.
btw, I'm not sure why this article got delegated to the developers section of slashdot... it has nothing to do with art.
> he's [Leonardo DeCraprio] is a good, attractive young actor,
In Soviet Russia, you would have been shot for that and your extended family would have been purged.
It reminds me how pathetic Slashdot has become. The workers need to have a blood revolution and replace that assnugget taco and special buddy jeff homos masterbaytor.
Great piece of software!
Yep, I agree. After using Debian for four years (since Hamm), for _all_ of my boxes, whether they be server (stable, production setup) or workstation boxes (usually as bleeding edge as I can be), I've finally become 100% debain free.
All my server boxes are pretty much running FreeBSD. I also have a router box that's running Redhat 5.2 (it's really old and I don't want to break the uptime)
My workstations are all running Gentoo linux right now. Both ports and portage are a pleasure to use. Apt kept me on Debian for a long time, however, there are better alternatives out there. I especially enjoy the much improved fine-grained control possible through source based distros.
> they're releasing a new version of mandrake linux and they're cutting things out of the desktop distro so that it'll fit on one CD. they've set up a poll for all mandrake users to pick and choose which features they want to ship on the CD.
correction.. it's only for people who are club members. I guess it's a incentive for people to join the club, and a rather good one at that.
> It's interesting how so many Linux users complain about how horrible Microsoft products are , yet at the same time embrace things like Wine, Crossover and now potential ports of MS products
Most people use Wine to run software that runs on windows, which are often NOT made by Microsoft. That is a big difference. I, for example, use wine to run Kazaa Lite, wc3, diablo2, sof2, none of which is available in Linux natively. If they were, I'd use the native versions most likely.
> they also like to have Windows-ish desktops, ala GNOME and KDE
What many people who complain that GNOME and KDE are "windows-ish" forget that these desktops not only take elements from Windows, but they also take from a broad range of other desktops too, including MacOS, BeOS, AmigaOS, OS/2, etc.. If they didn't, these desktops wouldn't be so configurable.
man, your wit is like a hot knife carving a piece of butter.
> Why kHTML? Is it faster than Gecko, or easier to hook into, or something?
Yes, and Yes, and also the fact that it's one-tenth the size of Gecko (and even more if you consider other Moz-related APIs such as xul.)
Keep in mind that the Apple engineers who made Safari are no stranger to Gecko; the Safari team includes the author of Chimera and XBL (David
Hyatt), and one of the guys who originally took Mozilla open sourced (Don Melton). Gecko just didn't fit into what they wanted. In terms of other (non-Gecko) open sourced engines, there really isn't any better one besides khtml.
> Popup killer: Mozilla. Instant bookmark categorizing: Phoenix. Google toolbar: Phoenix. Dragging bookmarks around: IE.
Uhm, if you think Mozilla invented the Popup killer, Phoenix invented instant bookmark categorizing, or that Phoenix invented the google toolbar, you're sadly mistaken.
you can drag and drop them.
It's pretty simple really. khtml is far smaller and lighter than gecko is. Thus, it's quite a bit easier to achieve large levels of integration with the underlying OS with khtml than with gecko.
Suprise, suprise, Konquerror also does.
I'm sure he meant more like 95% to 97% of all PC owners.
Actually, ATI also uses binary drivers now with recent cards (and they've been considerably better than old ATI drivers, or open sourced drivers).
I know this is a troll, but I'll bite.
> Just a warning to those of you who (inexplicably) want to pay a gigantic premium for the fastest card on
What gigantic premium is this? There is only a small difference in price between the Ti 4800 (AGP 8x version of the 4600) and Radeon 9700 Pro.
> the market for about another quarter.
Nobody has a clue if the FX will actually be released then, and if it will actually beat the 9700 Pro by much.
> The problem with the 9x00 series is that ATi still has a long, long way to go in the driver department.
I know old ATI drivers were bad, but the 9500/9700 drivers are actually high quality.