OK, right off the bat, that seems like an impossibility:
you say that chaotic systems ARE deterministic.
Then chaos is an illusion, right?
Maybe they are just words, but I always thought that chaotic and deterministic were opposites.
If you're saying that chaos is never truly chaotic, and that it is instead ALWAYS deterministic, then some belief systems (mine actually) will have to be rethought because if there is no such thing as chaos, then there is no such thing as free will.
Free will is that: Free.
So by being free, it CANNOT be deterministic, or it wouldn't be free.
Or doesn't it apply to the system we're discussing here? I think it should...
Really, what's the deal?
Is free will an illusion or is there really things that are non-deterministic?
Help! I'm having an existential crisis!
Maybe I should lay off watching The Matrix DVDs I have for a while...
That's F------up! What is the order? Why would the material spontaneously being trying to organize itself? This might be too deep for a discussion here, but I have to wonder what it is inside of chaos that is willfully trying to organize itself. Is it an effect of randomness? Some physical property of the materials that causes certain molecules to align and by that create order? Is it God? I honestly would like to know who/what is pulling the strings here!
Can there be any doubt who is behind this?
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First they try to take on the open-source community, then IBM, then corporate america, and now hollywood?
For SURE with the arrangement they've taken with their lawyers; that they'll be paid handsomely no matter what, it becomes quite evident that the only people who are rich enough to take on all the avenues and still only spend pocket change is
Microsoft.
But as usual, they've come to the premature conclusion that they are smarter and more able to defend themselves against the whole world than everyone else, and I expect that like usual, it'll backfire on them.
Backing up is good, yes, but you should backup off-site.
In case of fire or theft.
You've already got part of the solution, of course, but couldn't you make it that the other machine you're backing up onto is NOT at the same physical location? That would give you some real piece of mind.
I use RSync for that and it works beautifully.
I encourage you to cultivate your paranoia to greater heights.;-)
According to Wikipedia, you're right; Oort Clouds are postulated to extend 50,000-100,000 AU from their stars.
That would effectively put Voyager outside the heliopause but still within Sol's Oort cloud.
I like the end of the Wikipedia article:
It is thought that other stars are likely to possess Oort clouds of their own, and that the outer edges of two nearby stars' Oort clouds may sometimes overlap, causing the occasional intrusion of a comet into the inner solar system.
The reason I find this significant is that I remember hearing that it is believed some comets might be the ferriers of organic material, life even, from other stars and solar systems, and they may even be what seeded life here, in this solar system.
So I hope they scrubbed down Voyager properly before launching it, otherwise countless years from now, it could crash-land on a planet somewhere and the microbes it is carrying (if they survived the trip) might
- Have no effect - Seed life on a world - Cause a plague that kills all indiginous life on another planet because their immune systems are unable to cope with the microbes.
In the 70s, it WAS reported in the media often that scientists were predicting an ice-age. I am not lying.
Also, I think you are mistaking my statements as dismissive of global-warming. Try a little balance.
To go on with what I was saying - I am wondering what changed scientist's minds when they had rock-solid evidence a mere 20 or so years ago that we were going into an ice-age...
Maybe the alarmist press just didn't bother publicizing scientist's retractions, because they just weren't exciting enough.
Based on that, can we trust that global-warming is real?
How much of your own global-warming fanaticism (see your previous post as an example) is shaped by the media?
I've heard the ozone-hole above the pole has started to shrink... Wasn't that one of the indicators of global-warming?
Instead of considering that the picture we have is incomplete at best, bleat on like other sheep instead of discussing rationaly, but don't mind me if I ignore it.
I always thought that it was just a different method of problem resolution:
Hypothetically, we select a prime number of a million, zillion bits long, it doesn't matter how many there are. Call the resulting number our key.
A division of our key by an integer within the set expressed by our key will potentially reveal a non-prime if there is no remainder from the division.
The quantum computation we effect is to ask all the multiverses to select an integer at random as the denominator of the division.
I believe a division is done in constant time.
None of the multiverses calculations will prove that x is NOT a prime.
So if none of the multiverses entangle back with a negative response, then all possible divisions have been tried and the key IS a prime.
SCO has discovered that THEIR unpalatable, terrible, buggy, ancient and pathetic UNIX is FILLED with public domain code!!!
Instead of admitting that they are ripping off some public domain code, SCO believe they should be given not only the patents they've ripped off, but ALL the patents in the public domain AND the GPL!
Whatever crack they may or may not be smoking, it gives you pause...
By the time MS release somthing that is really "right", enough people will have switched to the Mac and Linux to make it less important what they do.
Of course, if they were to say, license a Rolling Stones tune for the launch and lather up the advertising, we might have another Windows95.
Meaning it would be another inferior OS with even more bloat and more buggy components and more security exploits and more of what is driving people away from MS.
and when other investors, who are only after a bottom line see SCO's stock going up like a rocket, they'll dive in and it'll create a run on SCO stock, pumping it so high that it will start a rally.
In the end MS will have "bought" mainstream acceptance of SCO's slander on Linux by artificially creating a return for the market investors.
Microsoft effectively OWNING Linux simply by progressively changing their name to SCO.
What's the last step? Simple: Microsoft shelves Linux by making it illegal for anyone to run Linux.
That way MS can keep selling yearly Windows licenses.
Eventually the licenses will be by month.
After that, they'll be like cellular phone minutes.
If they succeed in taking control of the intellectual property that Linux represents, it'll be our worst nightmare: the average man will no longer be allowed to see how technology works, and it will cast us into a dark age.
If the screeners were distributed as low-quality MPEGs, then the pirate-distributors would be happy, because they don`t care about quality, the pirates would be happy, because they don`t care about quality anyway, so it wouldn't deter either groups. The group that buys DVDs would still buy DVDs and the group that don't still wouldn't. In other words, this won't change anything.
What WOULD change things is if the RIAA discovered a way of preventing DeCSS but still retaining the ability to play the DVD on your standard DVD player.
Sales of DVDs would plummet.
I don't care about the RIAA fighting pirates, but they better not get between me an my RIGHT to backup the data I bought legally from them.
Don't let the wording fool you; When you buy a DVD, you are buying the DATA that makes up the DVD.
The storage media is irrelevant.
I now OWN the ones & zeros encoded on the disk, so it is MY data and I have a RIGHT to back it up.
Dunno, but consider this: The actress that played Trillian in the BBC television show said that if they had let her, she would have taken almost ALL her clothes off, or something like that... So basically, they could cast Madonna, Brittany, Beyonce, Christina and the lot and it would go over Big time!
Your post proves the internet is what it was designed to be: a communications line, through which your post has probably been read by a few thousand people at least. I submit that the idea of copyright is expired: Surely ANY utterance can now be heard the planet over... How can any one say s/he was the person that caught the wave and therefore OWNS that parcel of our collective human experience? Parleying human rights so elemental is criminal, indeed.
When this gets to court, if SCO are found guilty of having lied, will all the people they've scared into buying licenses be entitled to get their money back or start a class-action suit against SCO?
If this is an open-source project, doesn't it force MS to disclose their code too?
Otherwise MS is in breach. Not that they aren't already in contempt for a lot of things they've been found guilty of...
Or could this be what Microsoft calls a viral infection into themselves and could the open-source community use this to force MS to open all their source?
How do we know MS hasn't already included GPL code in Windows without releasing the source-code?
By SCO's weird logic, all of MS's products are derivative of GPL components, and MS should be forced to give back all the money they've collected.
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You can't.
OK, right off the bat, that seems like an impossibility:
you say that chaotic systems ARE deterministic.
Then chaos is an illusion, right?
Maybe they are just words, but I always thought that chaotic and deterministic were opposites.
If you're saying that chaos is never truly chaotic, and that it is instead ALWAYS deterministic, then some belief systems (mine actually) will have to be rethought because if there is no such thing as chaos, then there is no such thing as free will.
Free will is that: Free.
So by being free, it CANNOT be deterministic, or it wouldn't be free.
Or doesn't it apply to the system we're discussing here? I think it should...
Really, what's the deal?
Is free will an illusion or is there really things that are non-deterministic?
Help! I'm having an existential crisis!
Maybe I should lay off watching The Matrix DVDs I have for a while...
That's F------up!
What is the order?
Why would the material spontaneously being trying to organize itself?
This might be too deep for a discussion here, but I have to wonder what it is inside of chaos that is willfully trying to organize itself.
Is it an effect of randomness? Some physical property of the materials that causes certain molecules to align and by that create order?
Is it God?
I honestly would like to know who/what is pulling the strings here!
First they try to take on the open-source community, then IBM, then corporate america, and now hollywood?
For SURE with the arrangement they've taken with their lawyers; that they'll be paid handsomely no matter what, it becomes quite evident that the only people who are rich enough to take on all the avenues and still only spend pocket change is
Microsoft.
But as usual, they've come to the premature conclusion that they are smarter and more able to defend themselves against the whole world than everyone else, and I expect that like usual, it'll backfire on them.
Backing up is good, yes, but you should backup off-site.
;-)
In case of fire or theft.
You've already got part of the solution, of course, but couldn't you make it that the other machine you're backing up onto is NOT at the same physical location? That would give you some real piece of mind.
I use RSync for that and it works beautifully.
I encourage you to cultivate your paranoia to greater heights.
According to Wikipedia, you're right; Oort Clouds are postulated to extend 50,000-100,000 AU from their stars.
That would effectively put Voyager outside the heliopause but still within Sol's Oort cloud.
I like the end of the Wikipedia article:
It is thought that other stars are likely to possess Oort clouds of their own, and that the outer edges of two nearby stars' Oort clouds may sometimes overlap, causing the occasional intrusion of a comet into the inner solar system.
The reason I find this significant is that I remember hearing that it is believed some comets might be the ferriers of organic material, life even, from other stars and solar systems, and they may even be what seeded life here, in this solar system.
So I hope they scrubbed down Voyager properly before launching it, otherwise countless years from now, it could crash-land on a planet somewhere and the microbes it is carrying (if they survived the trip) might
- Have no effect
- Seed life on a world
- Cause a plague that kills all indiginous life on another planet because their immune systems are unable to cope with the microbes.
Which do you think will happen?
I'm taking bets.
fluffy,
Do I have to find you the references? No.
In the 70s, it WAS reported in the media often that scientists were predicting an ice-age. I am not lying.
Also, I think you are mistaking my statements as dismissive of global-warming. Try a little balance.
To go on with what I was saying -
I am wondering what changed scientist's minds when they had rock-solid evidence a mere 20 or so years ago that we were going into an ice-age...
Maybe the alarmist press just didn't bother publicizing scientist's retractions, because they just weren't exciting enough.
Based on that, can we trust that global-warming is real?
How much of your own global-warming fanaticism (see your previous post as an example) is shaped by the media?
I've heard the ozone-hole above the pole has started to shrink... Wasn't that one of the indicators of global-warming?
Instead of considering that the picture we have is incomplete at best, bleat on like other sheep instead of discussing rationaly, but don't mind me if I ignore it.
But the predictions were saying things like the climate would progressively cool, glaciers would grow and advance down into temperate regions.
Instead glaciers are retreating.
In the 70s, scientists were saying that they had definite proof that the earth was heading back into another ice-age. What happened to it?
but entanglement means that you can pick out the answer that is correct from the noise, doesn't it?
I always thought that it was just a different method of problem resolution:
Hypothetically, we select a prime number of a million, zillion bits long, it doesn't matter how many there are. Call the resulting number our key.
A division of our key by an integer within the set expressed by our key will potentially reveal a non-prime if there is no remainder from the division.
The quantum computation we effect is to ask all the multiverses to select an integer at random as the denominator of the division.
I believe a division is done in constant time.
None of the multiverses calculations will prove that x is NOT a prime.
So if none of the multiverses entangle back with a negative response, then all possible divisions have been tried and the key IS a prime.
Jules Verne and H.G. Wells, giants of litterature dreamed up science fiction foretelling real inventions.
So now, with Skitlebrau and Tomacco, Matt Groening joins their rank.
I wonder if the other two were as appreciated in their own eras?
SCO has discovered that THEIR unpalatable, terrible, buggy, ancient and pathetic UNIX is FILLED with public domain code!!!
Instead of admitting that they are ripping off some public domain code, SCO believe they should be given not only the patents they've ripped off, but ALL the patents in the public domain AND the GPL!
Whatever crack they may or may not be smoking, it gives you pause...
Great.
IBM can just plead the fifth and that'll be the end of this whole sad afair.
By the time MS release somthing that is really "right", enough people will have switched to the Mac and Linux to make it less important what they do.
Of course, if they were to say, license a Rolling Stones tune for the launch and lather up the advertising, we might have another Windows95.
Meaning it would be another inferior OS with even more bloat and more buggy components and more security exploits and more of what is driving people away from MS.
Sad really...
and when other investors, who are only after a bottom line see SCO's stock going up like a rocket, they'll dive in and it'll create a run on SCO stock, pumping it so high that it will start a rally.
In the end MS will have "bought" mainstream acceptance of SCO's slander on Linux by artificially creating a return for the market investors.
Microsoft effectively OWNING Linux simply by progressively changing their name to SCO.
What's the last step? Simple:
Microsoft shelves Linux by making it illegal for anyone to run Linux.
That way MS can keep selling yearly Windows licenses.
Eventually the licenses will be by month.
After that, they'll be like cellular phone minutes.
If they succeed in taking control of the intellectual property that Linux represents, it'll be our worst nightmare: the average man will no longer be allowed to see how technology works, and it will cast us into a dark age.
I'm going back to Windows!
If I had points, I`d mod you up
If the screeners were distributed as low-quality MPEGs, then the pirate-distributors would be happy, because they don`t care about quality, the pirates would be happy, because they don`t care about quality anyway, so it wouldn't deter either groups.
The group that buys DVDs would still buy DVDs and the group that don't still wouldn't.
In other words, this won't change anything.
What WOULD change things is if the RIAA discovered a way of preventing DeCSS but still retaining the ability to play the DVD on your standard DVD player.
Sales of DVDs would plummet.
I don't care about the RIAA fighting pirates, but they better not get between me an my RIGHT to backup the data I bought legally from them.
Don't let the wording fool you;
When you buy a DVD, you are buying the DATA that makes up the DVD.
The storage media is irrelevant.
I now OWN the ones & zeros encoded on the disk, so it is MY data and I have a RIGHT to back it up.
Period.
Dunno, but consider this:
The actress that played Trillian in the BBC television show said that if they had let her, she would have taken almost ALL her clothes off, or something like that...
So basically, they could cast Madonna, Brittany, Beyonce, Christina and the lot and it would go over Big time!
LOL
Your post proves the internet is what it was designed to be: a communications line, through which your post has probably been read by a few thousand people at least.
I submit that the idea of copyright is expired:
Surely ANY utterance can now be heard the planet over... How can any one say s/he was the person that caught the wave and therefore OWNS that parcel of our collective human experience?
Parleying human rights so elemental is criminal, indeed.
RIP, MIX and BURN everything!
When this gets to court, if SCO are found guilty of having lied, will all the people they've scared into buying licenses be entitled to get their money back or start a class-action suit against SCO?
If this is an open-source project, doesn't it force MS to disclose their code too?
Otherwise MS is in breach. Not that they aren't already in contempt for a lot of things they've been found guilty of...
Or could this be what Microsoft calls a viral infection into themselves and could the open-source community use this to force MS to open all their source?
How do we know MS hasn't already included GPL code in Windows without releasing the source-code?
By SCO's weird logic, all of MS's products are derivative of GPL components, and MS should be forced to give back all the money they've collected.
Can you imagine that?
It's ridiculous, I know, but with the laws being passed these days, how can we know?
Was that a solar-propulsion joke?
"They have to do it with flare"
Or did you mean
"They have to do it with flair"