That there would be further trouble with dot biz?!?! I was like, totally floored. *grin*
In all seriousness though, has anyone noticed that maybe ICANN and the registrars aren't quite suited to developing new TLD's and doling them out fairly? Will anyone actually own a biz, for which they dont already have the dot com? The purpose of a biz tld seems vague at best, it's almost as if there is no use for it, other than to duplicate existing dotcom domains, and wring a few more dollars out of corporate america (not that I'm against bleeding them of more cash *grin*). I would dearly love to see some statistics of just how many businesses go without a decent domain name because of lack of available names, vs. how many individuals go without a domain for lack thereof... I would bet good money that there are 100 times as many people like ourselves that go without, and yet ICANN still gears every new TLD to a business market. Sad.
The AlterDNS Project is within weeks of being ready. New TLD's, no corps allowed, and I personally wipe my butt with any lawyer letters that even imply that they have something to do with trademark. Our software/config doesn't hijack your resolv.conf, and we encourage people to run their own web/email/irc/whatever sites on their own computers. Even those of you using dialup, can run a low traffic site on your own home computer (that's right, builtin dynamic DNS!). Don't wait to register your domain!
We don't have the right under Islamic law to exact revenge, or justice. They decide what is just, and justice is not giving their hero, their freedom fighter over to the Great Satan.
They aren't sheltering a burden, but a hero, from his and their own enemy. Even the saudi's respect this man as a hero secretly, and his exile from that country has nothing to do with crime (he was way too enthusiastic when criticizing the royals). If anything, the fact that we want to punish him, almost absolves him of his indiscretions in Saudi Arabia.
There are no base camps in Afghanistan. Did you even read the article? This is accurate, judging from the other sources I've read (including a coworker who worked in Saudi Arabia for 6 years, and visited many of these countries, including Pakistan).
As far as swaaying public opinion, that's only possible in countries like the USA, or europe. Without a free press, and really big media outlets, there is nothing to work with. We're talking radio and newspaper only, in these countries, both controlled by the state, that is incredibly antagonistic toward the US. They will print the stories we would have them hear, but mocked and full of derision, exaggeration. Probably labeled as "the US propaganda would have you believe". We're infidels to them, and even when an infidel isn't lying, they have no truths worth hearing.
His people, while not terrorists, are sympathetic for them, to a degree that makes the whole point moot as far as I'm concerned. The truth is, if we waltz in there, and ask for Bin Laden, they will start shooting. Not Bin Laden and his cronies, but also these "non-terrorists". Protecting him, because the Koran tells them to, just as the Koran tells them to live in conditions that we couldn't allow prisoners to suffer in, legally or morally.
Your point that Bin Laden recruits from other arab countries is correct as I understand it.
We've never oppressed muslims more than we have any other religion, though that is to say we have't ever oppressed them. *g* Even the bible thumpers get it from time to time.
I agree on Iraq, but even while that is a war we can fight, it's much more difficult to win it. Hussein=dead is not sucess.
Peace in Palestine is less likely than finding a cool spot to lie down on the surface of the sun. If you disagree that the afghani's are not all terrorists, that might be right. But practically all palestinians are, to one degree or another, and even those that aren't, are sympathetic beyond all reason to the terrorists. The israeli's are not monsters, despite what the western media has liked to say about them lately. Any people that can tolerate the abuse that they live with on a daily basis, and not respond by genociding these crazies, is not half bad in my book. The Israeli's seem to want a solution that does not include the annihilation of the palestinians, the other side does not seem anywhere near as generous.
As far as these countries hating us, they have all the resources in the world to turn their homes into paradises. They squander it. I could go on about the attitudes and personalities of their citizens, but it would sound so exaggerated as to be pathologically biased. Suffice it to say that there is nothing that could ever happen that would make them change in a positive way. Allah himself might appear, and command them to stop, and they would be maneuvering and lying.
Their is no stopping their hatred, short of killing them all. I'm not willing to do that.
"What the US needs to do is to find a way to drain that sea of support. One way to do this is to wage a war of words to convince the neighbors, friends & families of these terrorists that they are criminals, which will at the least improve our means of information-gathering, & at best put peer pressure on the terrorists to desist from their activities."
Um, despite what Bush would like you to believe, he isn't god and can perform no miracles. And if you are referring to someone else to do this, my bet is that they have no divine power either.
These people are resistant to "counter-brainwashing"... as crude a term as it is. The "brainwashing" they have now has, as one of its main strengths, some type of meme that prevents that. To the extent, that you can't even turn their islamic beliefs on them, or maybe I should be fair and call them perverted islamic beliefs. To deprogram the afghanis, would mean kidnapping their children before age 8 or 9, and raising them in american foster homes, and even that can't guarantee success (its impossible to determine at just what age a given child would be assimilated by these beliefs, and have terrorist-style rage at americans). Even if successful, you've basically transplanted the entire population of Afghanistan, haven't you? Their form of muslim beliefs has put us in a situation, where the only possible way to end what they do, is to kill every last one of them. I for one, can see that genocide is the only possible solution, but morally I could NEVER condone that. If that were attempted, I would have to act out, and by that I mean more than protest.
From a scientific standpoint, I can't wait til we see a worm be infected by a virus, and then drag the virus along with it to a new host. Horrid from a network security standpoint, but from a biological perspective, incredibly intriguing...
Dear mister script kiddy, this is not an invitation to attempt to create such a worm or virus, nor is it a challenge. This is only cool at all if it happens accidentally or spontaneously, if it's designed, it doesn't mean squat.
Wrong. Dead wrong. We're the ones paying a price: our freedom (quite against our will, I should add). It is up to you, the seller, to tell us what we get in return, and give us some warranty of that. You do nothing of the sort. Nothing. Only small children ever succumb to the logic that you are using.
The terrorists were able to use privacy and american freedom to do this? We must certainly abolish that, to fight them!
How? Why? For how long? This will work because?
It won't. For example, using crypto isn't evil, it doesn't lead to terrorism. If it is banned or crippled, these terrorists will not be able to encrypt their email? The crypto they have now suddenly disappears? No it doesn't. Just Joe Sixpack's ability to use crypto, for whatever legal (if paranoid) reason he has. If they don't have crypto beforehand, then banning it slows them down a bit (30 minutes?), but what idiot couldn't find international crypto on the net, free of restrictions? This goes for just about everything.
You might as well ban breathing, since obviously they breathed air, and breathing air furthered their goals (come on? you're not willing to hold your breath to stamp out terrorism?!!?! are you some kind of pinko commie???) It's as ridiculous, but maybe a bit more obvious to simple minded people like yourself.
Simple (and this is serious, BTW). You give each subdomains off of elvis.museum, and make them cooperate. It's logical grouping, gives everyone an acceptable domain name, and no litigation. This is the way it should have been from the beginning.
And when they use an IP address? OR if IP's are barred, and they put it in a host file, so it looks like a.kids? And even if you lock it down so perfect that it can't be circumvented...
What's the point? It's a totally worthless ISP account. The parent's will need their own, so the family internet cost is doubled... and the brats can't evne use it to do homework. I can imagine the sacharrine crap that will be on it, nothing with any real learning value. And on top of that, since it would be commercial in nature, it will be more an entire TLD of advertising to a very narrow demographic, than any resource at all.
Face it, this is a braindead idea. Parent's that want their children to be safe from that evil internet thing should move up to the mountains or something.
Well, I'm kinda doing the same thing. Just that my domains will forever and always be free... at least until ICANN has me shut down on some trumped up charge. LOL
No, I take that back. Even more important than free domains and intelligent TLD's, is the campaign to convince people to run their own bind, so that they have control over what they see. Pointing resolv.conf at whatever alternic, and letting them dictate what you see is just asking for trouble.
Well, ignoring the mismanagement of the US ccTLD, it still illustrates how retarded the average person is. Why have dot com at all, if it's truly universal? Why not leave that off, and make it even simpler? Oh, that's right, people do, and Intestinal Exploder fills it in for them. Duh
Um, and how does a "kids" TLD help? It's trivial for a 8 yr old to circumvent... and would create an incredibly huge bureacracy just to make sure it wasn't abused. The AOL and M$ has to be a joke, but the rest are rather...hmm, how to be polite... dumb? TLD's should be created in such a way, that they have meaning, and can be used by at least a large minority of any kind of user. Instead of news, which a few newspapers and tv news shows could use, maybe a dot project, which would be usable by many open sourcers, and even others. Or a TLD for vanity/personal sites (I haven't been able to come up with a wording/lettering for this yet, but maybe someone is more clever than I?)
This is just what I need. I'll write a custom MC68000 emulator for the chip, and design a replacement cpu board for my Apple Lisa. (FYI the cpu sits on its own card fitting into a somewhat passive backplane). On a more serious note, I may have to try and finagle Motorola into sending a sample, not that I'm up to designing PCB's clocked at 2ghz, but maybe they can underclock quite a bit? Would kick ass to be able to make my own Amiga 2000 accelerator, and still cheaper than the '020 cards I see on eBay. If not, 603/604's are getting dirt cheap.
You think that's bad... I've been trying to decide if I can afford some fibre channel stuff. Do a search for fibre channel on slashdot, there is a company making the hardware for chump change, and I've seen 9 gig FC drives on ebay for $25.
I'm not legally allowed to run for President. Besides, your solution of "if the two candidates are evil, why not become the same thing yourself" is kinda lame.
Yeh, personally I can't for the microchip to be implanted in my head. You know, the one that reads my mind, and pre-emptively gives me a painful shock of electricity whenever I consider breaking a law. If I'm law abiding, I'll never have to worry about it. And when Ben Franklin said "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" he was living in a world where wonderful microchips capable of mind control were technologically impossible. In light of the situation, I don't think Franklin would've been able to say that line without writhing on the ground in agony, as the microchip punished him for trying to say seditious comments in public. This is a time of war on terrorism/crime/drugs/child molesters/political third parties and we do not have the luxury of basic human rights while terrorists are telegraphing their moves 3 weeks in advance.
On my home server (2way dual p100 mosix cluster) I have...
Arcnet
Token Ring
Localtalk PC (this one wasn't easy to find, or config)
10mps ethernet (to the cable modem)
2 100mps ethernet (to the LAN)
2 gigabit (crossover, dedicated cluster link)
FDDI
100mps Fast Arcnet
Still looking for 64mps token ring hardware (some people describe it as 100mps TR *shrug*), Acorn econet for PC, cheap 155mps ATM cards, VG Anylan, and possibly Corvus Omninet cards. If anyone can help, please let me know.
Um, most likely they don't have a $100,000 cisco with token ring boards doing this. Just a guess, but a bank of old IBM mau's sitting in a dark corner somewhere, doing this. Even then, token ring relies heavily on the nodes to behave themselves, and if the router cuts off one node, chances are it still might not recover. Besides, if you cut it off, how are you going to send the message to the node?
Duh. Didn't have time to cover token ring in MCSE boot camp? Token ring is not, repeat after me, NOT ETHERNET. Maybe you should read up on it sometime. You're as bad as the people on eBay who sell "genuine Arcnet ethernet cards".
Or maybe the budget doesn't include the money to upgrade everyone to fiber gigabit?
Not that token ring is the greatest network architecture ever designed, but it wasn't half bad for it's time either. When ethernet was still stuck in 10mps land, token ring provided a managed 16mps, with the practical difference being a bit higher than the raw bandwidth alone would suggest. Even on many lower end switches manufactured today, a single machine or small groupd of machines can easily hog all the bandwidth starving others... with token ring each node gets its fair share of bandwidth.
Granted, I've thankfully never had to use it in a work enviroment, but at home on my shits and giggles network, I have both a 8 port Startek MAU, and a 60 port Radring with fiber RI/RO. It's fun to play with something different, or just to see how many screens worth of ifconfig I can get on a single box. I'd love to get ahold of some of the 64mps or 256mps TR hardware that I've read about.
The token ring howto is like 3 years old. There is a newer one, not on linuxdoc.org, but it's a bit difficult to find. Basically, we have a technology that is all but dead, and those capable of coding drivers for it are not the same people who need drivers for it... hence nothing gets done. As a guy who has tried to pack every weird NIC into his machine that he can get his hands on, I know how frustrating something like this can be. I think he may have to give up on this, unless one of the other drivers works out for him... (there is something like 4 major chipsets, each with its own driver. He'll have to get another token ring card that uses a different driver).
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That there would be further trouble with dot biz?!?! I was like, totally floored. *grin*
In all seriousness though, has anyone noticed that maybe ICANN and the registrars aren't quite suited to developing new TLD's and doling them out fairly? Will anyone actually own a biz, for which they dont already have the dot com? The purpose of a biz tld seems vague at best, it's almost as if there is no use for it, other than to duplicate existing dotcom domains, and wring a few more dollars out of corporate america (not that I'm against bleeding them of more cash *grin*). I would dearly love to see some statistics of just how many businesses go without a decent domain name because of lack of available names, vs. how many individuals go without a domain for lack thereof... I would bet good money that there are 100 times as many people like ourselves that go without, and yet ICANN still gears every new TLD to a business market. Sad.
The AlterDNS Project is within weeks of being ready. New TLD's, no corps allowed, and I personally wipe my butt with any lawyer letters that even imply that they have something to do with trademark. Our software/config doesn't hijack your resolv.conf, and we encourage people to run their own web/email/irc/whatever sites on their own computers. Even those of you using dialup, can run a low traffic site on your own home computer (that's right, builtin dynamic DNS!). Don't wait to register your domain!
Further proof that the last sentence can redeem any post.
We don't have the right under Islamic law to exact revenge, or justice. They decide what is just, and justice is not giving their hero, their freedom fighter over to the Great Satan.
They aren't sheltering a burden, but a hero, from his and their own enemy. Even the saudi's respect this man as a hero secretly, and his exile from that country has nothing to do with crime (he was way too enthusiastic when criticizing the royals). If anything, the fact that we want to punish him, almost absolves him of his indiscretions in Saudi Arabia.
There are no base camps in Afghanistan. Did you even read the article? This is accurate, judging from the other sources I've read (including a coworker who worked in Saudi Arabia for 6 years, and visited many of these countries, including Pakistan).
As far as swaaying public opinion, that's only possible in countries like the USA, or europe. Without a free press, and really big media outlets, there is nothing to work with. We're talking radio and newspaper only, in these countries, both controlled by the state, that is incredibly antagonistic toward the US. They will print the stories we would have them hear, but mocked and full of derision, exaggeration. Probably labeled as "the US propaganda would have you believe". We're infidels to them, and even when an infidel isn't lying, they have no truths worth hearing.
His people, while not terrorists, are sympathetic for them, to a degree that makes the whole point moot as far as I'm concerned. The truth is, if we waltz in there, and ask for Bin Laden, they will start shooting. Not Bin Laden and his cronies, but also these "non-terrorists". Protecting him, because the Koran tells them to, just as the Koran tells them to live in conditions that we couldn't allow prisoners to suffer in, legally or morally.
Your point that Bin Laden recruits from other arab countries is correct as I understand it.
We've never oppressed muslims more than we have any other religion, though that is to say we have't ever oppressed them. *g* Even the bible thumpers get it from time to time.
I agree on Iraq, but even while that is a war we can fight, it's much more difficult to win it. Hussein=dead is not sucess.
Peace in Palestine is less likely than finding a cool spot to lie down on the surface of the sun. If you disagree that the afghani's are not all terrorists, that might be right. But practically all palestinians are, to one degree or another, and even those that aren't, are sympathetic beyond all reason to the terrorists. The israeli's are not monsters, despite what the western media has liked to say about them lately. Any people that can tolerate the abuse that they live with on a daily basis, and not respond by genociding these crazies, is not half bad in my book. The Israeli's seem to want a solution that does not include the annihilation of the palestinians, the other side does not seem anywhere near as generous.
As far as these countries hating us, they have all the resources in the world to turn their homes into paradises. They squander it. I could go on about the attitudes and personalities of their citizens, but it would sound so exaggerated as to be pathologically biased. Suffice it to say that there is nothing that could ever happen that would make them change in a positive way. Allah himself might appear, and command them to stop, and they would be maneuvering and lying.
Their is no stopping their hatred, short of killing them all. I'm not willing to do that.
"What the US needs to do is to find a way to drain that sea of support. One way to do this is to wage a war of words to convince the neighbors, friends & families of these terrorists that they are criminals, which will at the least improve our means of information-gathering, & at best put peer pressure on the terrorists to desist from their activities."
Um, despite what Bush would like you to believe, he isn't god and can perform no miracles. And if you are referring to someone else to do this, my bet is that they have no divine power either.
These people are resistant to "counter-brainwashing"... as crude a term as it is. The "brainwashing" they have now has, as one of its main strengths, some type of meme that prevents that. To the extent, that you can't even turn their islamic beliefs on them, or maybe I should be fair and call them perverted islamic beliefs. To deprogram the afghanis, would mean kidnapping their children before age 8 or 9, and raising them in american foster homes, and even that can't guarantee success (its impossible to determine at just what age a given child would be assimilated by these beliefs, and have terrorist-style rage at americans). Even if successful, you've basically transplanted the entire population of Afghanistan, haven't you? Their form of muslim beliefs has put us in a situation, where the only possible way to end what they do, is to kill every last one of them. I for one, can see that genocide is the only possible solution, but morally I could NEVER condone that. If that were attempted, I would have to act out, and by that I mean more than protest.
From a scientific standpoint, I can't wait til we see a worm be infected by a virus, and then drag the virus along with it to a new host. Horrid from a network security standpoint, but from a biological perspective, incredibly intriguing...
Dear mister script kiddy, this is not an invitation to attempt to create such a worm or virus, nor is it a challenge. This is only cool at all if it happens accidentally or spontaneously, if it's designed, it doesn't mean squat.
Wrong. Dead wrong. We're the ones paying a price: our freedom (quite against our will, I should add). It is up to you, the seller, to tell us what we get in return, and give us some warranty of that. You do nothing of the sort. Nothing. Only small children ever succumb to the logic that you are using.
The terrorists were able to use privacy and american freedom to do this? We must certainly abolish that, to fight them!
How? Why? For how long? This will work because?
It won't. For example, using crypto isn't evil, it doesn't lead to terrorism. If it is banned or crippled, these terrorists will not be able to encrypt their email? The crypto they have now suddenly disappears? No it doesn't. Just Joe Sixpack's ability to use crypto, for whatever legal (if paranoid) reason he has. If they don't have crypto beforehand, then banning it slows them down a bit (30 minutes?), but what idiot couldn't find international crypto on the net, free of restrictions? This goes for just about everything.
You might as well ban breathing, since obviously they breathed air, and breathing air furthered their goals (come on? you're not willing to hold your breath to stamp out terrorism?!!?! are you some kind of pinko commie???) It's as ridiculous, but maybe a bit more obvious to simple minded people like yourself.
Simple (and this is serious, BTW). You give each subdomains off of elvis.museum, and make them cooperate. It's logical grouping, gives everyone an acceptable domain name, and no litigation. This is the way it should have been from the beginning.
This actually makes sense, in a twisted sort of way. I bow to your superior logic sir, and humbly ask that you forgive me for my mistaken opinion.
And when they use an IP address? OR if IP's are barred, and they put it in a host file, so it looks like a .kids? And even if you lock it down so perfect that it can't be circumvented...
What's the point? It's a totally worthless ISP account. The parent's will need their own, so the family internet cost is doubled... and the brats can't evne use it to do homework. I can imagine the sacharrine crap that will be on it, nothing with any real learning value. And on top of that, since it would be commercial in nature, it will be more an entire TLD of advertising to a very narrow demographic, than any resource at all.
Face it, this is a braindead idea. Parent's that want their children to be safe from that evil internet thing should move up to the mountains or something.
Well, I'm kinda doing the same thing. Just that my domains will forever and always be free... at least until ICANN has me shut down on some trumped up charge. LOL
No, I take that back. Even more important than free domains and intelligent TLD's, is the campaign to convince people to run their own bind, so that they have control over what they see. Pointing resolv.conf at whatever alternic, and letting them dictate what you see is just asking for trouble.
Well, ignoring the mismanagement of the US ccTLD, it still illustrates how retarded the average person is. Why have dot com at all, if it's truly universal? Why not leave that off, and make it even simpler? Oh, that's right, people do, and Intestinal Exploder fills it in for them. Duh
Um, and how does a "kids" TLD help? It's trivial for a 8 yr old to circumvent... and would create an incredibly huge bureacracy just to make sure it wasn't abused. The AOL and M$ has to be a joke, but the rest are rather...hmm, how to be polite... dumb? TLD's should be created in such a way, that they have meaning, and can be used by at least a large minority of any kind of user. Instead of news, which a few newspapers and tv news shows could use, maybe a dot project, which would be usable by many open sourcers, and even others. Or a TLD for vanity/personal sites (I haven't been able to come up with a wording/lettering for this yet, but maybe someone is more clever than I?)
This is just what I need. I'll write a custom MC68000 emulator for the chip, and design a replacement cpu board for my Apple Lisa. (FYI the cpu sits on its own card fitting into a somewhat passive backplane). On a more serious note, I may have to try and finagle Motorola into sending a sample, not that I'm up to designing PCB's clocked at 2ghz, but maybe they can underclock quite a bit? Would kick ass to be able to make my own Amiga 2000 accelerator, and still cheaper than the '020 cards I see on eBay. If not, 603/604's are getting dirt cheap.
If you've gotten PCI token ring to work, you're a better man than I. The only thing that might be worse, is trying to get a PCMCIA tr card to work...
You think that's bad... I've been trying to decide if I can afford some fibre channel stuff. Do a search for fibre channel on slashdot, there is a company making the hardware for chump change, and I've seen 9 gig FC drives on ebay for $25.
As far as I know, DECnet is a protocol, software only. Then again, nowdays appletalk is software only, but was once hw + sw.
But just for the record, I've had some luck doing DECnet over ethernet between my cluster and the DECstation.
I'm not legally allowed to run for President. Besides, your solution of "if the two candidates are evil, why not become the same thing yourself" is kinda lame.
Yeh, personally I can't for the microchip to be implanted in my head. You know, the one that reads my mind, and pre-emptively gives me a painful shock of electricity whenever I consider breaking a law. If I'm law abiding, I'll never have to worry about it. And when Ben Franklin said "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" he was living in a world where wonderful microchips capable of mind control were technologically impossible. In light of the situation, I don't think Franklin would've been able to say that line without writhing on the ground in agony, as the microchip punished him for trying to say seditious comments in public. This is a time of war on terrorism/crime/drugs/child molesters/political third parties and we do not have the luxury of basic human rights while terrorists are telegraphing their moves 3 weeks in advance.
Ha!
On my home server (2way dual p100 mosix cluster) I have...
Arcnet
Token Ring
Localtalk PC (this one wasn't easy to find, or config)
10mps ethernet (to the cable modem)
2 100mps ethernet (to the LAN)
2 gigabit (crossover, dedicated cluster link)
FDDI
100mps Fast Arcnet
Still looking for 64mps token ring hardware (some people describe it as 100mps TR *shrug*), Acorn econet for PC, cheap 155mps ATM cards, VG Anylan, and possibly Corvus Omninet cards. If anyone can help, please let me know.
Um, most likely they don't have a $100,000 cisco with token ring boards doing this. Just a guess, but a bank of old IBM mau's sitting in a dark corner somewhere, doing this. Even then, token ring relies heavily on the nodes to behave themselves, and if the router cuts off one node, chances are it still might not recover. Besides, if you cut it off, how are you going to send the message to the node?
Duh. Didn't have time to cover token ring in MCSE boot camp? Token ring is not, repeat after me, NOT ETHERNET. Maybe you should read up on it sometime. You're as bad as the people on eBay who sell "genuine Arcnet ethernet cards".
Or maybe the budget doesn't include the money to upgrade everyone to fiber gigabit?
Not that token ring is the greatest network architecture ever designed, but it wasn't half bad for it's time either. When ethernet was still stuck in 10mps land, token ring provided a managed 16mps, with the practical difference being a bit higher than the raw bandwidth alone would suggest. Even on many lower end switches manufactured today, a single machine or small groupd of machines can easily hog all the bandwidth starving others... with token ring each node gets its fair share of bandwidth.
Granted, I've thankfully never had to use it in a work enviroment, but at home on my shits and giggles network, I have both a 8 port Startek MAU, and a 60 port Radring with fiber RI/RO. It's fun to play with something different, or just to see how many screens worth of ifconfig I can get on a single box. I'd love to get ahold of some of the 64mps or 256mps TR hardware that I've read about.
The token ring howto is like 3 years old. There is a newer one, not on linuxdoc.org, but it's a bit difficult to find. Basically, we have a technology that is all but dead, and those capable of coding drivers for it are not the same people who need drivers for it... hence nothing gets done. As a guy who has tried to pack every weird NIC into his machine that he can get his hands on, I know how frustrating something like this can be. I think he may have to give up on this, unless one of the other drivers works out for him ... (there is something like 4 major chipsets, each with its own driver. He'll have to get another token ring card that uses a different driver).