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No One Wants The Not-Coms

angkor points to this Siliconvalley.com article about companies not jumping for the newfangled TLDs like dot-biz. "This is delicious revenge for all the spam I've gotten reminding me to reserve new domain names now before they're all gone ... ." Besides the nice sound of "dot com," perhaps the restrictions surrounding the new official TLDs help to prevent them selling like hotcakes. The world won't be fair until the LED museum and similar sites are offered -- No, given! -- .museum addresses.

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  1. Give em the .biz by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    I thought these looked like glitz anyway, I get so much spam from people who use names like biz99891 that I'm more inclined to think .com or .co.uk means something, well, a little more anyway than cobco.biz


    My $0.02

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    1. Re:Give em the .biz by kilgore_47 · · Score: 2

      My boss tends to think up new domains he should own on a regular basis. He recently had be

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  2. Good!! by WickedClean · · Score: 1

    Who wants those domains anyway? If people would be creative with their domain name ideas, they can still find stuff out there. I just hope they don't make any more of those James Dean .tv commercials because they are NOT "cool".

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    1. Re:Good!! by ackthpt · · Score: 2
      Yeah, well, .tv is a whole nother .scam, the country sold, granted or whatever from Tuvalu, (reminds me of how I'm supposed to be impressed every time I see [AS SEEN ON TV] on something), but there's already enough TLDs around to cover everything, unless you're one of those who covets chintz.


      Then again, it's MHO, perhaps there's people in the world who think it _is_ cool, after all, Home Shopping, QVC, et al, continue to thrive selling the stuff you once had to venture to garage sales to find.

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  3. Why bother with the new domain.... by kireK · · Score: 1

    I was told over a year ago, that the great domains were already gone. So, to prove a point, I went a grabbed a "good" domain. My wife now runs a small profitable dotcom using the name...

    I'm sure I could do it again in the .com space.

    1. Re:Why bother with the new domain.... by glitch! · · Score: 1

      I was told over a year ago, that the great domains were already gone. So, to prove a point, I went a grabbed a "good" domain.

      There are still plenty of "good" domain names up for grabs. Check out the Peckerheads domain board. for some really, er... interesting possibilities :-)

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    2. Re:Why bother with the new domain.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok, the name is pinkpussycat.com.

    3. Re:Why bother with the new domain.... by kireK · · Score: 1

      forgot to mention.... it's NOT a porn site!

  4. It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1) It's obviously just an excuse for the domain registrars to make more money.

    2) Web users don't grok it. Let's face it, most Web users think AOL is the Web. They don't know about .gov or .org, they don't even know .mil exists, and if you throw a .ru or a .uk at them, they can't cope.

    3) Would you want to have your company at: mygoofyasscompany.biz? It just sounds so.. so.. 1990s!

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    1. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by Mahonrimoriancumer · · Score: 1

      2) Web users don't grok it. Let's face it, most Web users think AOL is the Web. They don't know about .gov or .org, they don't even know .mil exists, and if you throw a .ru or a .uk at them, they can't cope.

      I bet these are the same people think that www.whitehouse.com is the correct page for the real White House in Washington D.C. instead of www.whitehouse.gov.

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    2. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by 4n0nym0u53+C0w4rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that, more importantly, these new domain names don't add anything. .biz provides no useful semantic information. It's not like someone would say, "hmm, I'm not looking for a (.)company, I'm looking for a (.)business." Moreover, since the target market is companies, they already are likely to have .com names, thus making this redundant.

      This is the equivalent of adding .com2 and .com3 -- nothing useful.

      .kids or .sex or .personal or .protest would be useful. These are categories that aren't simply mirrors of existing TLDs.

    3. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by C.U.I. · · Score: 1

      I can't see that the new TLD's make things any better. Supposedly we need more TLD's because all the good ones are gone, but does having somecompany.com and somecompany.biz being entirely different organisations make life any easier for anyone?

      Aside from making registrars money and ICANNBUTYOUCANT look like they actually do something constructive, all it does is confuse users and make life easier for squatters.

    4. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by Alan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I mentioned that to someone at work and he said he didn't think it was a good idea, as that makes things easier to filter out (or attack). I'm not saying I want my kids looking at pr0n, but I don't want a university or cable company or library (places where information should flow freely, even if it is jiggly bits) just banning *.sex I also don't want the spammers targetting the *.kids domains as they are "easy" targets....

    5. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • since the target market [for .biz] is companies, they already are likely to have .com names, thus making this redundant.

      Redundant, and yet strangely compelling and lucrative... ;)

      Really, a going .com can't afford not to have .biz, as it weakens their brand and signals that the .com might be snatchable. .biz is a tax, a doubled renewal free, pure and simple.

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    6. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by Lardmonster · · Score: 1

      .kids or .sex or .personal or .protest would be useful

      Hear hear!

      .museum? Oh please... they ought to hang their heads in shame.

      What's the justification for .museum? I'd guess that a '.mohammedsminimarket' TLD would attract more interest than '.museum.
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    7. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by Rentar · · Score: 1

      2) Web users don't grok it. Let's face it, most Web users think AOL is the Web. They don't know about .gov or .org, they don't even know .mil exists, and if you throw a .ru or a .uk at them, they can't cope.

      Maybe american Web users don't grok it (Ok, that's still a large part, but still). Almost everyone else knows that there is a .net outside the .com. Anyone living in a non-US-state knows his TLD (.at for my little country). (Besides any IT-related person knows at least .net and very likely .org).

      In Austria (and some other countries) all the Academys (sp?) and Schools are in .ac.at (ok, that's not a TLD, but they do it that way consiquently).

      In the UK you find tons of ".co.uk", thats their way to say "this is a company! but its a _british_ company!"

      in Asia they even use something like .com.tw (well, thats stretching it, but hey ...)

      so the only ones who don't seem to use .<anything-but-com> are american companies.

    8. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by markhb · · Score: 1

      .museum, .aero, and .coop are a different part of the experiment: private (or "sponsored") TLD's. Each is run by a particular group which only grants domain registrations to its members. To me, it actually seems a lot more useful than .biz.

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    9. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by WWWWolf · · Score: 2
      This is the equivalent of adding .com2 and .com3 -- nothing useful.
      Ouch! Due to the fact that .pc is sucky, making .com2 and .com3 would lead to that old .irq namespace conflict. I'd rather get a domain under the .usb TLD.
    10. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      2) Web users don't grok it. Let's face it, most Web users think AOL is the Web. They don't know about .gov or .org, they don't even know .mil exists, and if you throw a .ru or a .uk at them, they can't cope.
      I bet these are the same people think that www.whitehouse.com is the correct page for the real White House in Washington D.C. instead of www.whitehouse.gov.
      After the past eight years, can you blame them? :-|
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    11. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by mpe · · Score: 2

      I can't see that the new TLD's make things any better. Supposedly we need more TLD's because all the good ones are gone, but does having somecompany.com and somecompany.biz being entirely different organisations make life any easier for anyone?

      How do they cope with getting "snail mail", faxes or telephone calls? Typically because they are in very different places, or different lines of business.
      Indeed does anyone one know of two companies with the same name and line of business which trade globally?

    12. Re:It's easy to see why nobody is buying these by Criggie · · Score: 1

      > and if you throw a .ru or a .uk at them, they can't cope.

      Why did I read that as "a .fu or a .ck" ?

      Must be Friday... sometime soon...

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  5. just wait.. by matrix0040 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    it's all a matter of getting used to it. for more that half the ppl out there .com=internet

    so it'll be some time before ppl begin recognizing these new TLDs. Slowly but surely they'll become as well known as .com and then they'll be a rush for that. So just wait.

    1. Re:just wait.. by k_187 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was talking to my younger brother (14)about this(new TLDs, .tv, .shop ...) and his exact quote was "that's stupid, can't they just get .coms?" I think that says a lot.

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    2. Re:just wait.. by Chelloveck · · Score: 2

      About a year ago I was trying to set up a "Reply-To" address for my Sprint PCS Wireless Web Email©®. After many attempts I called their support line and got transfered to a "web support specialist".

      "What address are you entering?"
      "foo@bar.chi.il.us"
      "That's not a valid address. You need to use a real one. You know, one that ends in '.com'."

      At this point I'm afraid I managed to use at least six of the seven words you can't say on TV... (BTW, that wasn't the problem at all; their "Reply-To" mechanism was and as far as I know still is demonstrably broken for any address.)

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    3. Re:just wait.. by kiwaiti · · Score: 1
      FYI: .tv is not a new TLD, but an old ccTLD (Tuvalu, or so I think). They have marketed it as a gTLD additionally, and very early.

      Kiwaiti

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  6. Where do I demand a .museum domain for my...? by leob · · Score: 1

    ...namely, for my BESM-6 museum? Well, it's more of a nostalgia page, but anyway.

  7. Funny... by tcc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've reserved a few .biz for the company where I work, and I've received an email today sounding like "you've been challenged to another apllicant with IP trademark and yadi yadah... (basically he payed the extra for the IP claim). And now, from what I understand, I would have to send in the trademarks papers (or #s) and all that stuff, plus (guess what) pay extra fees... for what... .BIZ? oh right, and then .buizness will come out, .company, .whatevertomakemorecashquiquickreservenow, I simply said 2 words to resume my application: F*ck it! (ok ok, "forget it!" was more like it :) )

    I might as well be creative creating a new .com than going thru all that hassle, heck if I want to go thru that kind of problem, might as well negociate the .com I want with current holder (friendly buy or attack), it'll round up to the same thing with all the legal fees and trademark claims added up.

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    1. Re:Funny... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • And now, from what I understand, I would have to send in the trademarks papers (or #s) and all that stuff, plus (guess what) pay extra fees... for what... .BIZ

      I agree with your stance, but aren't you worried that if you don't defend .biz/.bob/.trademark then you're setting yourself up for a snatch of your .com?

      I don't mean that you'll lose it, but have you weighed up the costs of having to defend it?

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  8. .com will be around for a long time to come by dbolger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mostly because the new extended TLD's are just so damn ugly. Dot-Com, Dot-Net, Dot-Org are beautiful, aesthetically pleasing prefixes, that clearly explain what the website is about (at least, they used to till everybody and his stepson started getting them). Dot-Biz just seems too gaudy to be true, and Dot-Museum? Please! Some of these are just so ridiculous its untrue! Dot-Name? Where on earth is that going to go? Porn sites like BitchWhatsMy.name? That's about it. To be honest, the only one of the new additions I even find mildly acceptable is .info, and even thats stretching it. All in all, I'll pass on these thank you very much, and stick to the three original - and best, TLDs.

    1. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by Fat+Casper · · Score: 3, Funny
      So... .gov, .mil & .edu? :)

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    2. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by FaasNat · · Score: 1

      I think he was referring to TLDs us regular joe's can register for.

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    3. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      aesthetically pleasing prefixes


      Not prefixes. More like suffixes. So there =)

    4. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by driftingwalrus · · Score: 1

      They're postfixes, not prefixes.

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    5. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by vidarh · · Score: 2
      ".name" is exclusively for registering personal names, on the form "firstname.lastname.name" or nicknames, and e-mail adresses on the form "firstname@lastname.name". So far the interest has been huge.

      (ObDisclaimer: I work for the company administrating .name)

    6. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody started to get them because most country TLD's are closed for individual use and thrus, anyone that isn't a corporation and want's a domain will have to go to .com/.net or .org!

      Welcome to the internet...
      Luis Ferro
      Portugal

    7. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • ".name" is exclusively for registering personal names, on the form "firstname.lastname.name

      Ouch. I'd never even considered registering just surnames, then reselling all the third level given names. I wonder who's got smith.name.

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    8. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by vidarh · · Score: 2
      Noone. You *can't* register just surnames.

      Contrary to .com/.net/.org, where ALL of the 5000 (and probably many more) most common surnames in US has been taken, and where your chance of getting a firstname@lastname address or firstname.lastname address is completely dependent on the whim of the owner, under ".name" noone can buy just the lastname and deny people access to it.

    9. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by 4of12 · · Score: 2

      Noone. You *can't* register just surnames.

      Then, I suppose the many other thousands of latecomers to .name registration will be disappointed to find

      john.smith.name
      is already taken?
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    10. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by Mastoid · · Score: 1

      Hey, forget those. I want the Dot-Daddy extension.

      I run a web-based whois host here, y'see...

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    11. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by ebh · · Score: 2
      According to this, you can't register a second level .name domain at all, so bill@gates.name is impossible. (Or has the policy changed since July?)


      It looks like you can get around it if you have a multipart last name, though, like osama@bin.laden.name. Speaking of which, did they not even stop to coinsider cultures that don't have a distinct given_name+surname format?


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    12. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by AlgUSF · · Score: 1

      Three original TLD's? Which one of these isn't original? .com, .net, .org, .mil, .gov, .edu ....... Sounds like an AOL subscriber.... :-)

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    13. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by horza · · Score: 2

      Then, I suppose the many other thousands of latecomers to .name registration will be disappointed to find john.smith.name is already taken?

      Congratulations, welcome to the world of marketing. You promote some bit of fluff as a 'must-have'. Then create an artificially scarce resource to scare consumers into purchasing in the offchance they may use it in case they 'lose out'. I doubt anyone will be disappointed to not get a .name, it's a pretty staid TLD and only of any use as a vanity address (for 99% of people their work email address is the only thing they'll ever need). Those that want vanity domains will probably rather think up imaginative names using the existing TLDs (not sure what my phillip.co.uk says about how imaginative I am :-))

      Phillip.

    14. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • You *can't* register just surnames [...] noone can buy just the lastname and deny people access to it

      Uh, wait... how does that work then? You have to have a first.last.name? Doesn't that prang the whole top/second/third level domain heirarchy? Didn't you give an example of firstname@lastname.name? And what about madonna.name? And isn't one explicit intended use of .name for nicknames, which tend to be one word? Who's monitoring and enforcing non-abuse of 2ndLD .names?

      By the way, thanks for all the informed responses on this issue, vidarh, it's appreciated. Do you have a link to an idiot's guide to .name?

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    15. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, Madonna is her real first name. She'd be madonna.ciccone.com.

    16. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      BitchWhatsMy.name... hmmm... that reminds me of a friend-of-a-friend, Ian Thompson, who tried getting an email address on @Home. He tried ianthompson, ithompson, ian.thompson, iant, etc. and every time, the drone on the other end of the phone line would say "Sorry, taken... taken... taken..."

      Finally, in frustration, Ian asked "So how about 'nottaken@home.com'?" Came the reply: "Well, that's... um... not taken!" And so Ian got his email.

      For a joke, he and his roommates also chose "IDidYourWifeWhileYouWerent@Home.com". I can't believe they allowed that one!

      Posting anonymously so I don't get flamed if those two email addys get Slashdotted. =)

    17. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by vidarh · · Score: 2
      Of course some people will. But even though there are some very common names that a lot of people have, most people have relatively rare names. In the US for instance, more than 80.000 lastnames are included in the US census. The remaining lastnames doesn't get in because they are too rare. Combine that with thousands of firstnames, and most people will get either their name, or something reasonably simple.

      Obviously john47.smith.name isn't as attractive as john.smith.name, but it's still a lot better than a lot of the options out there.

      And in some countries, such as France, the number of lastnames in use are close to a million.

    18. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by vidarh · · Score: 2
      You're both right and wrong. You can't register a second level domain name. But you can register second level e-mail forwarding. It's exactly to be able to enforce sharing of the second level addresses that this was done.

      If it was possible to register gates.name, you'd have to deal with that registrant to get bill@gates.name, and you'd be screwed if that registrant didn't want to share.

      Instead you can register bill.gates.name and bill@gates.name separately, and have bill@gates.name forwarded to whatever account you want.

      Look for the e-mail forwarding service in the ICANN documents.

    19. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by vidarh · · Score: 2
      I'd suggest looking at www.gnr.name, which is the official registry site.

      Essentially the registry offers e-mail forwarding on firstname@lastname.name adresses, and that is why you must register third level names for domains, so that everyone can share the second level for e-mail adresses.

      There's no monitoring of abuse of second level names, but there is a dispute resolution policy that require you to prove that you have the name (or something reasonably close to it) if someone claims that you are infringing on their trademark.

      For nicknames, it is intended that you must still use two levels. So you could register bill.clinton.name even if your name is william.clinton.name, but you wouldn't be able to register just bill.name

      Other combinations are allowed as well, as long as it's something you are "commonly known as". So it could be argued that commander.taco.name would be a valid registration.

      Anyway, the registration guidelines are only enforced if someone formally challenge your registration. But registering ronald.macdonald.name or mickey.mouse.name would most likely be a bad idea unless that's really your name :)

    20. Re:.com will be around for a long time to come by vidarh · · Score: 2
      One more details: Yes, cultures without given name/surname has been given some thought.

      The general rule is that you'd have to use a hyphen, or write the separate parts as one.

      So to use your example, it would be osama@bin-laden.name, or osama@binladen.name.

      Of course some cultures doesn't even use surnames, or use the surname first and the given name afterwards.

      So you'd be allowed to register smith.john.name if you'd like to. Or foo.sonof-bar.name

      It's not ideal, but it's the first try on a namespace purely for personal use, and after all if your name is too common or too difficult to fit into this scheme, you still have the option of a lot of other TLD's. Noone is being forced to use .name for personal names. .name is just another alternative that may give people more choice, and for most people hopefully a logical naming system.

  9. Lets just give everyone a number.. by PopeAlien · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. How about an IP address, assigned at birth.. Thats where you can host your site. Of course you always have jealousy over the really cool IP numbers, but hey, No copyright problems.

    1. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by tswinzig · · Score: 5, Funny

      .. How about an IP address, assigned at birth.. Thats where you can host your site. Of course you always have jealousy over the really cool IP numbers, but hey, No copyright problems.

      Yeah, but the real question is, do you assign one or two IP addresses to Siamese twins?

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    2. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by seanadams.com · · Score: 1

      I propose a ".ip TLD". (Unless ip is a country?)

      Then you get the best of both worlds. Easy-to-remember DNS names, and the uniqueness of an IP address!

      127.64.156.23.ip

    3. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
      How about your ssn? 123.45.6789 oh, wait, they're running out of these and can't wait to recycle the ones from persons deceased. Well, maybe the SSA will re-do those, too, and cause widespread confusion 8-)

      Seriously, when I first started on the net I knew more sites by IP address than by name, now I can hardly remember any. The neat thing then was looking at an address and knowing it was where it was from. Don't have much of a clue anymore with the way .com can really be pretty much anywhere in the world. Same would happen with the new TLDs, too, I guess.

      It would be pretty neat to see an ibm.museum site, but probably run by some pr0n twink, as all these new TLDs are really for, that and making $$$ money, because ABC, CBS, IBM, AMR, DOW, etc all would need to glom onto them before the pr0n twinks and scam artists.

      Hello from the President of IBM.biz,
      We are offering new systems, software, support and a lifetime guarantee, just like major corporations use all over the world, all for $1000. Please charge to VISA, MC, DISCOVER, AMEX, including your preferred shipping address.

      Harrison Fnord, CEO IBM.biz

      e.g. First National Pr0n of Nebraska, Cobbco Pointy Sticks of West Lompoc, Starch Pressed Sock Co. of Greater Milwaukee
      Intergalactic Bizness Makers, co., PO BOX 2, Pilasand, UAE

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    4. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by mini+me · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about an IP address, assigned at birth.. Thats where you can host your site. Of course you always have jealousy over the really cool IP numbers, but hey, No copyright problems.

      Sounds good in theory, but if the doctors had it thier way, they'd lease you a DHCP address or even worse use PPPoE. Oh and you'd better not be listening for any conversations, you may only initiate them, or you will violate your TOS.

    5. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fucking hate my stupid PPPoE DSL connection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Sorry..just needed to vent.

    6. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a number! I am a Free Man!

    7. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they'd get their own subnet.

    8. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using your SSN as an IP address wouldn't be a very wise thing. Anybody could find out what it is (unless you don't use it, in which case it would be pointless to have) and wreak havoc on your life (ie. one day you find out that "you" have just enlisted in the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Army).

    9. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by 1010011010 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Give them a subnet

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    10. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by nachoworld · · Score: 2

      I know exactly how that feels...

      My social security number is 486-65-4324. I was jealous of my collegue, Bob Andrews, who has 777-66-6667, which is made of only 2 different types of digits AND is PRIME!

      Now I know Bob will get a better I.P. address too. Some people... they're just born with everything. Lucky bastards....

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    11. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Kishar · · Score: 1

      How about your ssn? 123.45.6789 oh, wait, they're running out of these and can't wait to recycle the ones from persons deceased. Well, maybe the SSA will re-do those, too, and cause widespread confusion 8-)

      What, you haven't heard about SSNv6?

    12. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by humblecoder · · Score: 1

      My social security number is 486-65-4324. I was jealous of my collegue, Bob Andrews, who has 777-66-6667, which is made of only 2 different types of digits AND is PRIME! I'm sure Mr. Andrews will appreciate you posting his name and SSN in a public forum.

    13. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by nachoworld · · Score: 2

      I will agree that some /. posters aren't all that perceptive of what they should and should not do. I however am not one of them. Both the numbers were made up on the spot and Bob doesn't exist (you had no way of knowing that though, sorry). But I think a cooler SSN would have been 188-88-8881. It's prime, palindromic, uses only 2 different digits, and you can turn it upside down and it'll still be the same (without the hyphens). I WOULD be jealous of that number.

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    14. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by MadCow42 · · Score: 2

      One number =

      -website (if accessed through HTTP, etc.)
      -ftp site
      -email address
      -telephone (portable of course)
      -mailing address (Post office would do a DNS lookup for your current physical address... no more forwarding!)

      It would make it pretty easy to remember ONE number for each person, instead of a separate email, phone, address, etc. Maybe too easy to track someone though...

      MadCow

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    15. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by ShoeHead · · Score: 1

      Mod this down! Get a clue, moderators, this guy stole the comment from an AC who posted in this same thread 146 messages ago, still rated at 0 (go ahead, change your threshold)! Don't moderate if you don't want to browse at -1.

      Go ahead, I've got karma to burn.

    16. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by epsalon · · Score: 1

      Have you heard of "IN_ADDR.ARPA"?

    17. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about skizos?

    18. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you fucking whore! I will spend every last mod point i get modding you down for this blatant ripoff.

    19. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by seanadams.com · · Score: 1

      that's only for reverse (PTR) lookups

    20. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a weird format of the SSNs. Is it generated from birthdate? At least one country I know of use 010180-44172 for SSN-thingys (Jan 01, 1980 - extra even number for females, odd numbers for males. There's an algorithm somewhere...)

      Please forget this post as I know nothing of USian SSNs.

    21. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bahaha! Oh, for some mod points...

    22. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't mod him down now that you posted in this story, dumbass

    23. Re:Lets just give everyone a number.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I posted as an anonymous coward, you idiot. perhaps I have actual accounts and ways to access slashdot from multiple ip's? Ever consider that, fool?

  10. LED museum is much more interesting... by Codeala · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course no one is buying those TLDs, haven't you heard the slow down of the .com bloom since last year? And with all those gloomy forecasts for the next few years, good luck trying to sell them off. Beside with the current laws most companies are probably automatically entitled to their tradenames. Want to bet how far you can go with amazon.biz before being sued?

    I suspect timothy just want a chance to slip in that link to the LED museum, which is much more interesting than the main story ;-)

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  11. Not surprising.. by dregoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right now basically the new .biz is just a tax on the successful .com companies that are having a hard enough time as it is. If they did get one, it would be to forward it to their .com address anyway. It might remove some of the cruft from .net though.

    Perhaps in a few years when VC get eager to dump money around and new startups are made that will start with a .biz.

    Look at the .tv that was bought for tv programs to use is basically a link to their .com if they have one at all.

    1. Re:Not surprising.. by kiwaiti · · Score: 1
      As I just wrote in #2319819, .tv is actually a ccTLD easy to mistake for a gTLD.

      Kiwaiti

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  12. .biz by lavaforge · · Score: 1

    On a commercial: "Just log onto companyname.biz"

    "Honey, go look at that web site that they just talked about.

    "Okay."

    Fires up AOL
    click click click (companyname.biz.com)

    "It doesn't work!!" I'll never buy anything from them!"

    1. Re:.biz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, I wish I owned biz.com. Wildcard the entire thrid-level domain and all queries like that would be redirected to you.

  13. acronyms...gheez by GutterBunny · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm going to put in for the .tld TLD

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    1. Re:acronyms...gheez by sheetsda · · Score: 2

      I always liked PCMCIA - People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.

    2. Re:acronyms...gheez by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 3, Funny
      I've been dying for them to release ".dot".

      "dot.dash.dot" are my initials in morse code.

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    3. Re:acronyms...gheez by iso · · Score: 2

      Taco keeps mentions that he wants ".dot" as well; I'm surprised there wasn't another stupid comment attached to this story.

      Still, it would be pretty funny to have http:(slash)(slash)slashdot(dot)dot.

      - j

    4. Re:acronyms...gheez by Bowdie · · Score: 1

      hehe, I own dotcomforwardslash.com

      And I run a couple of subdomains off it : onetwosevendotzerodotzerodotone and dotdotbackslashdot

      I got it mostly for shits and giggles.

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    5. Re:acronyms...gheez by WhiteKnight07 · · Score: 1

      www.slash.dot or how about ".slash"?

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    6. Re:acronyms...gheez by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      www.slash.dot or how about ".slash"?
      Just what the K/S fans need...their own domain. :-P
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    7. Re:acronyms...gheez by fusiongyro · · Score: 1

      MACINTOSH - Most Applications Crash; If Not The Operating System Hangs

      Daniel

    8. Re:acronyms...gheez by operagost · · Score: 1
      How about

      dot.dot

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  14. not as sexy by dun0s · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .biz .info .somemoneymakingtld will never, in the mind of the public, be as sexy as a .com. How can it be? .com is the internet to so many people the same way that if you don't start a web address with www. then they will put it on regardless.

    Apart from the CC domains which are good for country specific sites these new tld's don't really trip off the tongue that easily either. .biz just sounds a bit unprofessional i guess. As for .museum and .coop why can't they use .info and .org seeing as that is what they are. and why is there a .pro when they could use the new .name for a personal site or .org/.com for a professional ORGanisation or commercial site. Ok, so .com is overloaded but thats just tough, come up with something origional damn you marketing people.

    So, to summerise my post... .com is the only thing the masses recognise and these new tld's just sound a bit shoddy when you say them out loud.

    ok. bad post but it is late here ok.

    1. Re:not as sexy by terri+rolle · · Score: 2, Insightful
      .biz just sounds a bit unprofessional i guess.

      You ain't kidding. I have an instant negative gut-level reaction to it. To me the name immediately conjures up images of multi-level marketing schemes, MAKE MONEY FAST scams, and other seedy to-good-to-be-true business ventures.

      At this point it is difficult to imagine .biz being a favorite of anyone but infomercial producers and spamware dealers.

    2. Re:not as sexy by WhiteKnight07 · · Score: 1

      Yea, the "z" in .biz makes it look like some sort of lame attempt at l33t speak. Just what the net needs, more hacker wanabees....

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    3. Re:not as sexy by haruharaharu · · Score: 1

      the "z" in .biz makes it look like some sort of lame attempt at l33t speak

      There's an idea - have a .d00d TLD

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  15. they just need cooler TLD's by Nf1nk · · Score: 1
    The new TLDs won't take off 'till we get at least some of the following

    .XXX (duh)
    .AOL (when this comes then AOLers will be truley locked out of the web)
    .news (It just sounds good)
    .KIDS ( For kid safe sites only)
    .M$ (you will need to use this for your site to be usable under future explorer)
    .ETC (for folks more creative than me)
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    1. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by Geek+In+Training · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can see it now...

      HTTP://MYHOMEPAGEISCOOL!!!!!!!!!!.AOL

      http://etc.etc.etc.etc...

      and of course the pedos will immediately start punching in

      http://hot.nekkid.kids

      Ack!

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    2. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by demaria · · Score: 1

      > ...text...
      >.KIDS ( For kid safe sites only)
      > ...text...

      Yes, because the .com, .org, and .net top level domains have been administered and enforced so well so far, let's have more TLDs for them to enforce! :)

    3. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, we know who'll get this one...

    4. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by Nf1nk · · Score: 1
      Fair enough critism, but perhaps if one of the kidsafe filter company administered it it might work out. After all .Gov and .mil are pretty abuse free

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    5. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Um, and how does a "kids" TLD help? It's trivial for a 8 yr old to circumvent... and would create an incredibly huge bureacracy just to make sure it wasn't abused. The AOL and M$ has to be a joke, but the rest are rather...hmm, how to be polite... dumb? TLD's should be created in such a way, that they have meaning, and can be used by at least a large minority of any kind of user. Instead of news, which a few newspapers and tv news shows could use, maybe a dot project, which would be usable by many open sourcers, and even others. Or a TLD for vanity/personal sites (I haven't been able to come up with a wording/lettering for this yet, but maybe someone is more clever than I?)

    6. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by jiheison · · Score: 1

      .CON (get-rich-quick schemes, "free X in your e-mail" sites, miracle cures. . .)

      On second thought, we'd run out of those real quick too.

    7. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >It's trivial for a 8 yr old to circumvent...

      Not if you chose a "kids only" ISP that reqires you to use a proxy server and will only serve up pages with a .kids domain. Not even a hardend UNIX admin could circumvent it should it be set up properly (well, not without breaking .kids domain rules, and we'll assume they would be enforced).

      Really, it isn't too hard to set up.

    8. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      And when they use an IP address? OR if IP's are barred, and they put it in a host file, so it looks like a .kids? And even if you lock it down so perfect that it can't be circumvented...

      What's the point? It's a totally worthless ISP account. The parent's will need their own, so the family internet cost is doubled... and the brats can't evne use it to do homework. I can imagine the sacharrine crap that will be on it, nothing with any real learning value. And on top of that, since it would be commercial in nature, it will be more an entire TLD of advertising to a very narrow demographic, than any resource at all.

      Face it, this is a braindead idea. Parent's that want their children to be safe from that evil internet thing should move up to the mountains or something.

    9. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by demaria · · Score: 1

      Well I'd assume the gov and mil sites are registered only to official people (people or departments with government status or military personel).

      A .kids would be registered to people who are normal citizens (of any country of course). So you'd have to make sure someone didn't register a .kids, put up a temporary site, and then take it down later and put up something not so kid friendly.

      See if you have a TLD that's designed and promoted to be kid safe, then that TLD must be held accountable for the content inside it. This is because you're dealing with children here. I'll also for now ignore the debate over what is kid's safe and what isn't.

      I do agree that a .kids would be a great thing and is a really damn good idea, but unfortunately wouldn't work out.

    10. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by Cow4263 · · Score: 0

      you can't register for those either...

    11. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about .SUX for website like

      microsoft.sux
      aol.sux
      adobe.sux

    12. Re:they just need cooler TLD's by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      The .XXX will not work. All the .xxx sites would immediately be block out and make no money.
      It would be like expecting the porn operators to "black list" THEMSELVES! Not gonna happen.

      The .kids however would be good TLD because parents would not have to worry Provided that the registrars provided a clause for the recipient (notice no "owner") of the TLD that no material not suited for kids are posted on a .kids address and that no links to such material be listed as well.

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  16. alt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    another stong reason why doing alt.blarg.com would have been the better choice.

  17. New dawt Not by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
    If people arn't queing up to buy .info then I'll bet that very few people are buying the new.net domains.

    The premise of new.net seems to be get enough people pointing their DNS systems to hit your server and you don't need to be in the ICANN root. Problem is that the domains only have a 5% probability of working for a given net user.

    I wouldn't give a @#$^^ for new.net except for their paid flacks popping up arroung the net to shill for them. The scam seems to be they get a bunch of tasty names then shill endlessly in an attempt to get the new.net root incorporated into the ICANN one so their tasty names suddenly become worth squillions of dollars.

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    1. Re:New dawt Not by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm kinda doing the same thing. Just that my domains will forever and always be free... at least until ICANN has me shut down on some trumped up charge. LOL

      No, I take that back. Even more important than free domains and intelligent TLD's, is the campaign to convince people to run their own bind, so that they have control over what they see. Pointing resolv.conf at whatever alternic, and letting them dictate what you see is just asking for trouble.

    2. Re:New dawt Not by Swaffs · · Score: 1

      dot Not, now there's a fun one.

      microsoftrules.not

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    3. Re:New dawt Not by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      I wouldn't give a @#$^^ for new.net except for their paid flacks popping up arroung the net to shill for them.
      The big problem I have with them is that they think it's necessary to fsck with your IP stack. AFAIK, they don't use standard DNS; for their system to work, you need a DLL that gets called before the standard name-resolver DLLs. If it somehow gets screwed up, you're stuck with hacking the registry (in a non-trivial manner...been there, done that) to clean up the mess as it can leave your computer unable to resolve any names.

      If you noticed that the above is somewhat Windows-centric, you're correct...with a system like this, would new.net's domains even be accessible from other systems? If they were cross-platform, they would just stick their DNS server ahead of whatever others you're using, whether in /etc/resolv.conf, TCP/IP properties for whatever NIC you're using, etc.

      Combine that with their getting software vendors to bundle the new.net DLL as "foistware" and they can FOAD, for all I care.

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  18. Three cheers for the stupid people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Every once in awhile they do something stupid that has unexpected positive side effects. The less they like alternatives to .com, the happier I'll be. This will serve to keep 'em all in the .com corral with all flash and flim-flam they love so much.

  19. No Interest by Fat+Casper · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There isn't anything beyond .com. Look around you- the Post Office is usps.com (I know .gov works too, but they have .com painted on the sides of their trucks). The Army is a .com too, as is the National Guard. The Post Office is ahead of them- neither one of them has it wired to a .mil. I really like one of the police departments in my area.

    If the .govs and .mils feel like they need to be .coms, why the hell does anyone think actual companies would want anything else? Does anyone here know of any .edus that use .com? I think the .orgs seem to stick to .org pretty well. Come on- if I want info on something, I'll find their site and look for info there, not do a separate .info search.

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    1. Re:No Interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo. And the .com == internet thing is pretty much international aswell.

      www.tafe.net - Queensland TAFE, Australian state government higher education page
      www.qut.com - Queensland University of Technology
      www.uqconnect.com - University of Queensland ISP

      And the list goes on. It's ridiculous; the new TLDs are a waste of time and everyone knows it.

    2. Re:No Interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Canada government weather office used to own weatheroffice.com. Looks like they have wisen up and are going to change to a more appropriate hierachical address.

    3. Re:No Interest by Some+Woman · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, in the case of the military branches, the .com and .mil addresses serve different functions. The .coms are there for recruiting purposes (if average Joe wants to enlist in the navy, he's probably going to type in navy.com), but the .mil sites contain more sophisticated information aimed toward people already in that particular branch of the military.

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    4. Re:No Interest by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      The Army is a .com too, as is the National Guard.
      Aren't those mainly recruiting sites? Comparing the Air Force's .mil and .com sites, one of them seems aimed more at real info about the Air Force (what it is, what it's done, what it's doing, who's calling the shots, etc.), while the other looks like something that might've been put together by an ad agency or a marketing department (sign up now!).
      I really like one of the police departments in my area.
      I thought it a bit strange at first that Metro considered itself a dot-com. Then again, I guess they figure it's easier to remember something short like that than something like www.lvmpd.co.clark.nv.us (which would stretch all across the trunk of their squad cars if they wanted it to be readable). The .us domains are laid out logically enough, but the hierarchical structure is probably too much for your average drooling idiot to remember.
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  20. The only biz that made sense... by DA_MAN_DA_MYTH · · Score: 1

    ... was show.biz

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    1. Re:The only biz that made sense... by amirinator · · Score: 1

      or how about..

      noneofyour.biz.org...

      hehe

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    2. Re:The only biz that made sense... by DA_MAN_DA_MYTH · · Score: 1

      Even Better

      takingcareof.biz/ness/

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  21. well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by metalhed77 · · Score: 1

    your PD would probably have to be something like:
    seabrookpd.city.state.us which no one can remember (most peoples eyes glaze over after the 2nd dot) so .com makes sense there, my school district is lausd.k12.ca.us, most people can't remember that! the teachers can't remember their own email addys!

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    1. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Well, ignoring the mismanagement of the US ccTLD, it still illustrates how retarded the average person is. Why have dot com at all, if it's truly universal? Why not leave that off, and make it even simpler? Oh, that's right, people do, and Intestinal Exploder fills it in for them. Duh

    2. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by mmontour · · Score: 2

      your PD would probably have to be something like: seabrookpd.city.state.us which no one can remember

      Well, I would hope that anybody in that city would be able to remember at least the ".city.state.us" part of the name. And, in that relatively small namespace, there should be no problem assigning the name "police" to the local police department.

      I think the DNS system needs to be re-worked to use deeper sub-domain paths. It just doesn't work to have everybody in the world fighting over a small number of flat namespaces (especially when the holder of a trademark gets to claim that substring in every TLD, past present or future). Adding more TLDs is just making the problem worse.

      Here's one possible alternative:
      - Each TLD would be a category, like ".com" for businesses, ".org" for non-profit organizations, ".ind" for individual people's homepages, etc. Categories would overlap as little as possible, so that any registrant would clearly "belong" to one of them.
      - Most names could not be registered directly within the TLD. Instead, they would be registered at a geographic sub-level corresponding to the scope at which the registering entity existed.

      So, a local business "ABC Carpet Cleaning" would be able to register the name "abc-carpet-cleaning.vancouver.bc.ca.com" while a fedarally-incorporated business could register "aircanada.ca.com". A different local business in Toronto could register "abc-carpet-cleaning.toronto.on.ca.com" without creating any conflicts. Businesses that had operations in several countries would be allowed to register in the TLD, like "coca-cola.com".

      To save some typing, a user's browser could support an abbreviated notation like "circuitcity_com". The DNS system would first try to match "circuitcity.vancouver.bc.ca.com" (or whatever the user's local context was), and would then look for matches all the way up the tree: "circuitcity.bc.ca.com", "circuitcity.ca.com", "circuitcity.com". If there were multiple matches, a page could pop up asking the user which one he wanted. Frequently visited sites would be in the user's bookmark file anyway, so the length of the name wouldn't be an issue.

      Anyway, it's an thought. Maybe somebody already wrote up an RFC on this, or wrote a long essay explaining why it's a stupid idea. I haven't looked.

    3. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Here here! DNS should be modeled after LDAP

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    4. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by J.J. · · Score: 2

      It's too much work to make a broad sweeping change like that.

      The best solution is a mapping: organize sites into a hierarchical, location-driven, context-intelligent system like you describe, and map those to their current domain.

      This, of course, has already been done.

      J.J.

    5. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by heptapod · · Score: 1

      Yay! Another member of the tired cocksucker webring!!! I like to use Nutscrape!!!

    6. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by BlueOtto · · Score: 1

      Only problem is that it is near impossible to get into the Yahoo directory. Rendering it useless for a true reflection of what is available on the net.

    7. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people can't remember lausd.k12.ca.us, how can they be expected to remember something like: LAUSD School District, California, U.S.A. (which is essentially the same thing)?

      I guess we should do away with the whole postal addressing scheme, since it's far too complex. From now on, all snail-mail to me should be addressed to simply "Mark's Company.mail", because I can't remember the rest of my address.

      If people are scared of a 15-character email address, but have no problem with a 5-line mailing address, the problem is with the people, not the address. They must label it as some "fancy new technology," and automatically assume that it must be far beyond their comprehension.

    8. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by mpe · · Score: 2

      your PD would probably have to be something like:
      seabrookpd.city.state.us which no one can remember (most peoples eyes glaze over after the 2nd dot) so .com makes sense there, my school district is lausd.k12.ca.us,
      most people can't remember that! the teachers can't remember their own email addys!


      How on earth do people remember postal addresses...
      also you end up with www.somelongwindedproductdescriptionoradvertisings loganorevensomethingnotacompanyinthefirstplace.com and that is less confusing that doing things the right way?

    9. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by J'raxis · · Score: 0, Redundant

      This is exactly how I think they should do it, however I think com should be eliminated completely in the new system because its a complete mess. Something synonymous should be created like corp or inc (or biz, but that one is about to be shot to hell like com already is). Similarly, npo could be created to replace org, and net could be merged with corp.

      I dont mean to say the current domains should be eliminated, but registration should be frozen in favor of this new system. Hopefully, if it took off, everyone would eventually switch over.

      In place of geographic classification (or in addition to), subcategorical domains might be a good idea (think how Usenet groups are arranged, just flip it around). Amazon.books.corp for the current amazon.com; but amazon.restaurant.corp (or amazon.ma.us.restaurant.corp) for a hypothetical restaurant in Massachusetts, US, called Amazon. This way, two geographically identical businesses with the same name performing different services (Amazon restaurant? Amazon dry cleaners? Amazon gas station?) wouldnt even have to fight over names.

    10. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Only problem is that it is near impossible to get into the Yahoo directory.
      Does anybody still use Yahoo? I can't remember the last time I found a site through Yahoo...it's almost all Google now, with the occasional side trip to AltaVista (though that usually doesn't turn up anything more relevant than what Google finds).
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    11. Re:well .US is a mess, that's why the PD did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo is a frontend to google these days!

  22. I want.... by rlwhite · · Score: 1

    ...noneofyour.biz

  23. was that actually the purpose? by RadioheadKid · · Score: 1

    I haven't read too much on the TLD's, but I was under the impression that one of the points of the new TLD's was so that if some company had a mangled domain name like the the'company_name'inc.com, they had another opportunity to get a real one 'company_name'.biz. So I'm glad to see that the companies that have a .com are not scooping up all the .biz's.

    Although I guess if they do become popular, all the dot com's will pull the same legal crap that got them their domain name from those other places when they originally applied??

    Kid_A

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  24. It is due to protection by Garry+Anderson · · Score: 1

    of trademarks, that they made dot com synonymous with the Internet.

    Indeed, most of the current problems are due to the authorities perverted and twisted sense of protectionism towards big business trademarks.

    The solution to the trademark and domain name problem is hidden by authorities to abridge free speech.

    The United States Department of Commerce violates the First Amendment - WIPO.org.uk

  25. Prestige by gus+goose · · Score: 1

    The real reason that there is not a rush to the new TLD's is because of prestige. Having a .com tld implies a level of establishment. Everyone will know that the .biz is the new kid on the block. Given a choice between ibm.com or ibm.biz, there is no doubt that the .com has a greater social value in today's climates.

    It is almost as if the .com's are the established, knowledgable, and better places.

    gus

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    .. if only.
  26. Nobody knows them by Kanasta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No users know about these new TLDs or any businesses under them. No businesses will register any of these if they know no user is going to know where to find them.

    Plus, no business would dare register under one of the new TLDs unless they owned the .com version. It's guaranteed they'd face a lawsuit from the .com owner, and we all know in these cases the money always wins.

    1. Re:Nobody knows them by tmark · · Score: 2
      Plus, no business would dare register under one of the new TLDs unless they owned the .com version. It's guaranteed they'd face a lawsuit from the .com owner, and we all know in these cases the money always wins.


      I think this is the biggest reason why these and most subsequent domains are going to be mostly undesirable. The threat of litigation, combined with the fact that most 'good' domains (sans tld suffix) are gone, conspire to make protecting yourself from a cyber-squatter the only good reason to get a (.biz, .info, etc) domain.

  27. Why bother by rnicey · · Score: 1

    With the general abuse of the top level domains they hardly mean anything anyway. I can see it reaching a point where they do away with .com .org etc and we just end up with www.slashdot instead. I remember a time you used to need company documents to register a .co.uk, now 15 quid and no questions asked.

    Anyhow, what with all the 'dot gone bankrupts' and 'dot can't be bothered to cough up $35 again this year for each of the 200 domains I thought would be popular' we're seeing a lot of domains becoming available again.

    1. Re:Why bother by bradleyjay · · Score: 0

      Actually, it seems that NSI itself is squating on the domains. There was a /. article not too long ago (sorry I can't find it now). Anyway, it was about NSI 'holding' deleted and expired domains, aparently to be auctioned off to the highest bidder.

      Well guess what, the domains were never auctioned off, and NSI still has not released a lot of them into the pool of available adresses. So people who had their eye on a domain that was expiring soon had to give up on registering that domain name, since NSI never made it available again.

      Evidently, they are doing this to keep other regstrars (Register.com et all) from getting the 'good' names. they even go so far as to say that you don't own your domain name, you just rent it from NSI for a while. So if you want to transfer your domain to another registrar, NSI first has to decide if they want to let go of that domain name.

      Obviously something dorky like thisismyaolwebpage.com they would let go, but 'better' domain names like business.com would never be 'allowed' away from NSI.

      Just my $.02

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      Karma...what's that? I just speak my mind.
  28. too many names, too much money by asv108 · · Score: 1

    The fact is that most of these new domain names are too much money and don't have the recognition value of .com . When people think of the Internet and domain names in general, they think of .com. The only reason why anyone would want to buy any of the new TLD's is to protect against cyber squatters and only corporations or people with deep pockets will attempt that since there is a plethora of new TLD's. There are the other ICANN-unapproved new.net domain names that require a special plug-in to work. I doubt anyone is registering new.net domain names since your audience would be severely limited.

  29. .biz by gozie · · Score: 1

    .biz just sounds un-professional. It's the suffix for an online lemonade stand at the online garage sale.

  30. we've all moved on to the next meta level... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the new TLDs that seems to collide with existing
    TLD types are nothing more than a thinly vailed
    attempt to extort payment from companies who are
    interested in protecting their branding and trade
    marks.

    ...meanwhile on the home front... we've all moved
    on to the next meta-level. I'll opt-in for new
    name space when I can create my own TLD or when
    the name space completely flattens so that I could
    for instance create:

    what.the.fuck

    without anyone having to create at .fuck TLD.

    I'm still waiting for someone to come up with the
    bright idea of resolving from left to right, in
    which case .www and .mail would be the single
    largest TLDs in the entire world! You could even
    use this to map to existing domains, using whois
    to restrict name collisions, and being immune from
    name-space reclaiming from "the legitimate,
    recognized management organization of internet
    name space", ICANN.

    ...and yes, I still think alternic was a good idea.

  31. Country Disemination by The_Myth · · Score: 2

    What are the country equivalent (2nd leel domains)?

    In Oz we have .com.au the UK and NZ are co.uk and co.nz respectively.

    Will this mean that we might have info.au and in.uk or inf.nv ?

    What about bi.uk or bi.nz what does that say?

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    1. Re:Country Disemination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humor Handicaped Moderators, mod PARENT UP.

      the guy is funny :=D

    2. Re:Country Disemination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now that could be cool.
      be.a.tidy.keew.ee
      please.use.recycle.bi.nz
      because.we.like.clean.streets.in.nz

    3. Re:Country Disemination by bradleyjay · · Score: 0

      Malaysia has .com.my, .net.my, etc.

      I haven't heard anything about new second level domains though.

      --
      Karma...what's that? I just speak my mind.
    4. Re:Country Disemination by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2

      So in Malaysia do they talk about companies being dot-commies? That makes them sound like reds under the web, or something.

  32. .gov using a .org by sheetsda · · Score: 2
    I think the .orgs seem to stick to .org pretty well.

    Perhaps, but not all of them belong there either. The city I live in uses a .org: http://www.hamilton-city.org/.

  33. There is nothing wrong with .biz, but... by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    There is nothing right about .biz either.

    In 2-3 years a whole lot of .com, .net and .org domains will become available.

    Some people will keep on cybersquatting, but any domain name worth cybersquatting that's not infringing on trademarks has already been sold.

    I'm halfway cybersquatting... I have a couple of domain names that I haven't done anything with other than point them to my servers. I do have plans for both of them though, just have other stuff that has higher priority.

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    The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
  34. .com vs .anything else (was Re:.biz) by wilko11 · · Score: 1
    This is sadly quite likely.

    I have a .com domain that is the same as .co.uk domain. I get large amounts of email for people at the company in the UK. Not only from people outside the organisation (who have typed .com without thinking) but also from people inside the organisation that have registered at web sites with .com instead of .co.uk.

    These people don't even know their own email address!

  35. Re: OID's are the way to go. by litui · · Score: 1

    Just need long ID numbers such as the OID's used for LDAP and similar services. =)

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  36. did anyone else notice this? by OiBoy · · Score: 1

    To help relieve overcrowding, the Internet's oversight body last year approved seven new suffixes, the first major additions since the domain-name system was created in the mid-1980s.

    I thought it was pretty funny.

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    `fortune -o`
  37. well.. yeah.... by motherhead · · Score: 0

    If domain names are commodities, then new TLDs are an attempt for the registrars to generate more product.

    Fair enough, but the product is shit. And people don't want to buy shitty products. And for this ICANN was silly with great debate for what? Like two years...

  38. Is .SEX Real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I got spam offering .SEX domains. Did ICANN approve those?

    (Yes, I know how DNS works. Anyone can set up their own DNS system and try to get people to use it.)

  39. Who decides? by Jack+Auf · · Score: 1

    The world won't be fair until the LED museum and similar sites are offered -- No, given! -- .museum addresses.

    But who decides exactly who of the 10,212 applicants for elvis.museum whould get the domain?

    (And you'd still have pr0n: www.hotvictorianbabes.museum)

    --
    "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - BF
    1. Re:Who decides? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Simple (and this is serious, BTW). You give each subdomains off of elvis.museum, and make them cooperate. It's logical grouping, gives everyone an acceptable domain name, and no litigation. This is the way it should have been from the beginning.

    2. Re:Who decides? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple. Give it to the Elvis freak that proves he loves the king more than all the others by living on a diet of meth and Domino's Pizza. Paul MacLeod is his name.

      Let me tell you, it's worth the 40 mile drive from Memphis at three in the morning to hear him rattle on about everything Elvis. Where else would you hear someone scream "My son is blastin' that reporters head off with his ding-a-ma-dang jizz cannon!" out the door at your car as you're leaving?

    3. Re:Who decides? by The+Phantom+Blot · · Score: 1

      Who decides? They do.

      Essentially, it's a committee of professional museum people, mostly from the International Council of Museums and the J. Paul Getty Trust. They have very strict ideas about who qualifies and who doesn't.

      The only person who'll find pr0n in .museum is Rudy Giuliani.

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      Ned Flanders, I mock your value system. You also appear foolish to the eyes of others.
  40. .kids by The_Great_Satan · · Score: 1

    My p.o.v., .kids isn't to protect the kids, it's to protect us from the people who want to protect the kids. Let them censor/patrol .kids all they want and leave the rest of the internet alone. Your kid found porn? If it came from a .kids domain, roast the f*cker. If it didn't, then it's the parents own fault for not knowing .kids is for kids, and everything else isn't.

    1. Re:.kids by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      This actually makes sense, in a twisted sort of way. I bow to your superior logic sir, and humbly ask that you forgive me for my mistaken opinion.

  41. Thank Netscape Navigator for the .com boom by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1
    The one thing that changed domains forever was the simple change of "if you cant find a local server, prepend www. and append .com". This made it not only fashionable to get a .com, but necessary. Pets.com got it's name because if you typed pets into your browser, there you go. Millions of dollars - for a sock puppet.


    Sure in hindsight, it was kind of obvious, but they were the first to do it.


    Now people are used to it. Folks have never wanted to type http://www.fred.com:80/. Too much typing, with shifts and everything. They won't be able to type "fred" and go to www.fred.biz. .biz sites will never get the traffic.

  42. domain name confusion - a modest proposal by chip+rosenthal · · Score: 1

    I'd like to propose a solution to the domain name confusion problem. I propose we reduce the DNS complexity by limiting the breadth and depth of the DNS. We can limit the number of top-level domains, and how deeply they can be divided. I also propose a numeric shorthand notation, to simplify host identification and entry.

    We should fix the maximum number of top-level domains at 256, and identify each TLD with a number from 0 through 255. Further, up to 256 organizational domains may reside with each TLD, each identified by another decimal number. Finally, we provide for 256 departmental subdomains, and up to 256 individual hosts within each subdomain.

    We now have a simple sequence of four decimal integers to uniquely represent any host on the Internet. We can write down the host identify as a text string by contactenating the four integers with a period (dot).

    This means only four numbers need to be remembered to idenfity any host on the Internet. This is much less confusing than a plethora of domain names.

    The one downside of this scheme is that it will require significant changes to existing Internet applications, such as web browsers, to accommodate this new "dotted quad" address mechanism.

  43. .biz registration? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    Okay, I'm stupid, but which .biz registrar is the least evil? I admit, I haven't been keeping up with the whole new TLD thing, but it would be nice to register my company's name .biz, and show it to management...makes it look like I'm on the ball.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    1. Re:.biz registration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it shows that you're wasting your company's money.

  44. KISS by Mattygfunk · · Score: 1
    IMHO dot-com is identified by new and medium level Internet users as a web site, not a company web site.

    How long will it take for these users to start to associate the new URL's with a type of group?

    BTW how many of you are guilty of going to /. via Slashdot.com and not .org?

    1. Re:KISS by nrftwicked · · Score: 1

      Oo! you can get to /. with slashdot.com? Excuse me while I go update my bookmarks...

      --


      If nobody ever re-invented the wheel, we'd all be pushing around flintstones cars, wouldn't we?
  45. What about .net? by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

    What about .NET?

    I mean, it's been possible for anyone to get a .net for some time now and very few use it.

    I only bring it up because everyone is mentioning .org,.edu,.gov,.mil, and .com

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    The Digital Sorceress
    1. Re:What about .net? by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no one cares about .NET either. Oh... you meant that .net. Nevermind...

  46. .biz does not properly portray a sersious business by robbear7 · · Score: 1

    Comeo now, the .biz is by far the worst of them. I mean where is the seriousness of .biz I mean it sounds like slang. I personally in my travels on the web have never visited knowingly a .biz, .tv., .anything_except_.com_.net_.org_.gov. website. Recently for my website, I was lucky to find a 4 lettered .com domain name, an easy to remember and spell name. I am sure there could be many, many other lucky peeps out there who could find one also if they just used there heads. That's just my opinion, but it seems as if many of you also share this opinion also.

  47. Dot CC by jdevons · · Score: 1
    I got suckered into a few .cc's a while back...

    By the way, I've got a great deal on:

    http://ebuyers.cc

    http://hunters.cc

    http://sellitall.cc

    And even one .com:

    http://armedbear.com

    Let me know! They just didn't work for me. But I'm sure your soooo much more intelligent than I! ;-)

    --
    I do everything the voices in my head tell me to...
  48. .museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the LED museum might be able to get a .museum address, but not on the top level. The top level of .museum is reserved to phisical museums and all web based museums (it looks like that is what LED museum is) have to pick some sort of secondary level domain to be in like virtual.museum or web.museum or internet.museum...etc...

    My boss at http://www.masks.org recently applied for one of these domains and the discussion about which one to go for was rather lengthy :P

    Noah (jik-)

  49. Good for small users by truesaer · · Score: 1

    Maybe now I'll be able to register a decent name. I don't really need it to be .com, I just want my little sites to have a short, easy to remember name. What they need to do now is make a lot more TLDs for various purposes.

  50. Re:first post@!#!@ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i would like to register .doh

  51. There are too many TLD's already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really don't see the point of this proliferation of new (and mostly useless) tlds. People have enough trouble remembering whether their URL was supposed to be .com or .net. And what about trademarks? How much do you want to bet that the big brand names with their own .com's are just going collect all the new tld's they can and redirect back to their .com site. Kind of like of when the phone companies ran out of 1-800 numbers a few years back and came out with the 1-888s. They thought the new 888's would double the available toll-free numbers available, but within the span of a few years they had to bring out 877's and now even 866 numbers. Companies that have well-known 800 numbers (eg 1-800-FLOWERS) don't want to risk losing customers when their competitor scoops up a similar 888 or 877 number. I suspect the same would be true for domain names. Just watch for:

    microsoft.com
    microsoft.net
    microsoft.org
    microsoft.biz
    microsoft.store
    microsoft.museum
    microsoft.info
    microsoft.xxx?
    ... etc ...

    The only new useful tld might be .sex or .xxx. That way all those enjoy such things can find their pr0n more easily while those who object to it can just block the entire domain. Ideally you would get all the existing adult sites to move over to the new domain (for free if necessary) and then it becomes a simple matter of administration. Anyone can complain to their ISP if they find objectionable adult material (admittedly this is a grey area) on a .com site since it should have been registered to a .xxx. No arguments about freedom of speech etc etc since no one is shutting it down just moving it to the appropriate domain.

    What we really need is a keyword/phrase based system (yes I know about RealNames). URLs can't handle spaces or accents not to mention ideographic languages. I would like to see a standardized non-propriety keyword registration system that would allow you to associate your keyword(s) with an existing URL. Along with the keyword information would be XML-based metadata about the site (name, classification, content description, geographical location, language, web page modification dates, etc). This would be extremely useful for filtering and searching since you could narrow you're searches down to the sites that match specific metadata tags. It would also be simple to generate a yellow-pages type directory based on this data. Yummy.

  52. A new tld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why not a .exe ?

    1. Re:A new tld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or .BAT! Old wretched .bat-files wrestle with even more wretched vampyres and goths and spooky-kids! Oh the horror.

  53. Re:No Interest -- .com or bust by Leeji · · Score: 1

    The way I see it, the best part of .com is that people need not remember it. As we add punctuation to our URL, it gets harder to remember.

    Most people consider "www." and ".com" to be native parts of an url. They even consider the "index.html" a native part of an url.

    Anyone who opens their eyes to today's media has internalized the standard that there are TONS of websites out there that start with "www." and end with ".com/index.html" Because of that, they have very little difficulty generalizing the principle to new web sites. After all, memorizing one bit of information (the part after www and before the TLD) is much easier than remembering ".fm", ".tv", or ".info" No matter how easy the TLD is to remember. What makes life more difficult is that they must remember two bits of information for non-.com URLs: the fact that it's not a .com, and its true TLD. However, the most important part is that ".com" domains are easy to GUESS. People can hit a company's web-site by knowing only its name and their "general rules of website URLs."

    Because of this, no new TLD scheme will help anyone except for the domain squatters. After all, businesses will now have to register ".com, .net, .org, .info, .museum, ..."

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  54. .com == .default by DCheesi · · Score: 1

    True story:

    During a meeting, one of our senior office admins comes in all PO'd, because she was asked for some info and couldn't find it. Apparently she was trying to get to MIT's website and couldn't find it. "I kept trying www.mit.com, but it says host not found!" (emphasis added, of course)

    She had no clue what a .edu was, or why MIT would be one. Unfortunately, a lot of internet users, especially the recent ones, are just like this. If they want to go to a site, they'll type yadayada.com without thinking. They probably don't even realize that other domains exist; and this goes double for the new domains. It's no wonder no one wants these alternates; they might as well have a gobbledygook URL, since people will only find .biz sites with a search engine anyway.

  55. What's a .biz? by fodi · · Score: 1
    Of course people will not rush out and spend big $$$ on the new TLDs. I believe there's a large majority of novice computer users that can only relate to the internet with 2 simple catch phrases. They are:
    • WWW and
    • .com

    Why? Because that's how the internet has been marketted. It's going to take a long time for people to appreciate the advantages of further classifying URLs. My boss is still excited that his web site is available 24 hours a day.
    1. Re:What's a .biz? by irksome · · Score: 1

      I'll see your 2 simple catch phrases, and raise you 2.

      1)AOL
      2)E-mail

      -

  56. Re:domain name confusion - FUNNY, more proposals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very Funny..... That "dotted quad" address mechanism is too outlandish to ever fly though. how would we ever adapt the whole internet to it now? This sould have been thought of years ago. (ha)

    I have two scientific modest proposals, one basically low-tech, and one involving cutting edge technology. They have little in common except that each, if implemented, might be construed as social engineering - dangerous when done by politicians or sociologists, but perhaps of value when performed by the scientific/intellectual elite. I'll cover the low tech proposal first.

    To begin, we need to find a small group (20 - 30) of low income (white trailer trash would do nicely) expecting mothers who are (a) quite attractive and show past performance of producing attractive children and (b) would be willing, for a modest fee, to surrender their female child for the furtherance of science. Next, take these newborn infants away from their birth mothers and insure that they are fed formula only from "bottles" shaped like the adult human penis. As the children develop into the crawling stage, "penis feeders" would be mounted to the walls of their cages. Of course the formula would change to meet their developing nutritional needs, but no human contact, language development or socialization would be allowed. At an appropriate point, air bladders in their "penis feeders" would inflate to simulate erection, so that the children learn that a period of sucking is required before they are rewarded with food. No other source of food is allowed. As primary and secondary teeth emerge the subjects should have them all extracted while euthenized. This continual state of partial dentition during childhood, and full edentulous state of toothlessness in puberty would certainly have many benefits to outweigh minor costs. The effects of the "no teeth" sucklers should bring more pleasure. The food is liquid... no teeth needed, The teeth are dangerous... being toothless is a safety measure.

    At about 5 -6 years of age the girls would be taught to defecate in one corner of their cage, and at about 10 - 12 years of age would be slowly introduced to their human handlers, but again, no language or socialization skills are taught. At about 13 - 14 years of age the really interesting part of the experiment begins : the girls are lead on a leash out of their cage for "private feedings" with select staff members. These men take careful notes comparing the fellatio skills of the test subjects to a control adult female group (probably prostitutes). If the young girls' skills compare favorably, then they could be shipped to government research laboratories and housed in cages identical to the ones they were raised in. Certainly people may choose teeth over "no teeth" sucklers but I predict most would be rasied as toothless feeders as society favors may dictate. Teeth aid in speech and hearing, but these spermophilaic sexual pets will not be conversing. In fact "debarking" (aka
    debitching) could be performed on each by snipping vocal cords.

    If the jaw muscles prove too dangerous, even in a state of anodontia, a common veterinarian surgery of severing the majority of the nerves interfacing with the jaw muscle can be performed in less than 6 minutes with minor discomfort. The much weakened semi-bite would be welcome, but the jaw would still be able to close fully to properly suckle and lick. "Private feedings" would be used as a performance incentive for the best programmers, nuclear scientists, geneticists, engineers, etc. Such an incentive program might be just what's needed to restore the prestige of the scientific professions in this country and to lessen the flow of students into socially useless professions like law, sociology, and business administration. If nothing else, from a purely scientific point of view, I think it would be interesting to see whether the experiment could yield "fellatio superwomen."

    The second modest proposal is much broader in scope, and its feasibility depends, in part, on the successful completion of the Human Genome Project. The idea in a nutshell is this: All pregnant women would be required to report before the 3rd month of pregnancy to a public health clinic where an in utero examination of the fetus' genetic material is conducted from a sample of amniotic fluid. Any red flags raised by the DNA test (likelihood of fatal disease, likelihood of mental retardation, etc) would mean destruction of the fetus. This would also be the perfect time to cross match the mother with information from previous IQ tests, criminal justice system files, demographic data, etc. Gradually, as not to arouse suspicions, mothers with low IQ scores , criminal histories, or even just the wrong demographics would be presented with bogus test results indicating that their fetus must be destroyed. This could only have a beneficial effect on society, with minimal inconvenience to the population. Perhaps they could be surreptitiously rendered infertile during a followup test. And last but not least, this would also be a logical point to implement population control, the one topic our spineless shit politicians won't face.

    Oh well, more about that later!

  57. TRADEMARKS and DOMAINS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Over the last couple of years with the whole wipo issue etc, there is no point in having any domain name registered other that your dot com.


    Afterall, if someone owns 1234co.com and you register 1234co.anythingelse - you generally are in line to lose it though litigation.


    A good example was the wwf.com and wwf.org case. They ruled that .com and .org were confusing

  58. Re:Good!! - OT - ASOTV by starman97 · · Score: 1

    I wonder about the same thing, who in their right mind would buy anything with 'As Seen On TV' sticker on it..
    To me that is just the long version of 'crap' , every product 'As seen on TV' is trash, why on earth buy a product that you know will be cheap and shoddy? Is it an IQ test? If you buy things that you see on TV you must be stupid, especially if they have to remind you that you saw it on TV in the first place.

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  59. To few undesirable TLD's, too late by michaeldouma · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is a shame there was so much bureaucratic delay, along with "Internet bubble" arrogance. The result was that too few domains have been released, with a confused public. Even /.ers, most of whom are pretty Internet savvy, probably do not know the exact details of the TLD offerings.

    There should have been dozens of TLDs available last year. The old dot com, dot org, and dot net names simply do not sound "right" for many web sites. These measly new offerings are hardly useful.

  60. Re:.biz does not properly portray a sersious busin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've never visited a .edu?

  61. .info.au by Sven182 · · Score: 1

    A quick look at aunic shows that Australia already has .info.au. Other interesting Australian second level domains are .asn.au (for associations), .id.au (for individuals), .conf.au (for conferences), and .telememo.au (for X.400 entities, whatever that means).

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  62. Well, there's one guy... by nytes · · Score: 1

    who's planning on grabbing all the not-com real estate he can, here.

    Take a look at that bizdomains.htm file. (The password worked when I tried it a few weeks ago.)

    Can you believe he left that on the net?

    Anyone got some good ideas for squatters, especially dumb ones? Go to town.

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    -- I have monkeys in my pants.
    1. Re:Well, there's one guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad for him every single one of his .info domains (except dev.info) has already been taken by supposed trademark holders during the inital Sunrise period. Also, IIRC he won't get any of the .biz domains unless he actually owns a legitimate company with those names.

  63. Re:.biz does not properly portray a sersious busin by nytes · · Score: 2, Funny

    But then again, what person would ever go to a .bus ? :-)

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  64. These could be useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the web were more sensible and domain names were www.com.yahoo instead of www.yahoo.com then people would be forced to think of wether they want a com or info or whatever url.

    As it is right now, most people automatically assume the .com extension which makes any extension almost useless. In fact, some browsers will just add the "www." and the ".com" part for you (at least netscape used to).

    The whole thing needs to be reversed. But I know it will never happen.

    1. Re:These could be useful by J'raxis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually it should be completely reversed into com.yahoo.www. Www is the name of a server at Yahoo, which is part of the com TLD. Writing it www.com.yahoo is as bad as the American MM/DD/YY date format (YYYY-MM-DD, the correct way [ISO8601], is in order largest-to-smallest).

      Com.yahoo.www would then be in the same order as the directory structure (/dir/subdir/.../file.html); most general to most specific. Right now, hostnames are inverted relative to the directory tree.

    2. Re:These could be useful by gorilla · · Score: 2

      Is anyone else thinking of the Greybook protocol?

    3. Re:These could be useful by dhovis · · Score: 1

      Except that the order of hostname.domainname.tld was set before the www. It was originally set that way for email.

      Snail mail is addressed first to the recipent, then to the address, then to the city, state, and country.

      Email addresses follow the same pattern, user@server.domain.tld, and they wouldn't make as much sense the other way around.

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    4. Re:These could be useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, MM/DD/YY is middle-endian, so it's worse than both DD/MM/YY and YYYY-MM-DD (which sorts correctly as Ghod intended).

    5. Re:These could be useful by sunhou · · Score: 1
      Snail mail is addressed first to the recipent, then to the address, then to the city, state, and country.


      In China, addresses on letters have the City, then street, building, and the person's name comes last (with the person's name being family name then given name, of course). (And I suppose if you wanted to tell the recipient which eye to use when reading the letter, that info would come last.)
    6. Re:These could be useful by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      I think thats what I meant. Its bloody out of order. Middle-endian is a good term for that, LOL. YYYY-MM-DD is the best format (little-endian, right?), since that also flows like the numbers within (YYYY itself is largest-to-smallest: millennium, century, decade, year).

    7. Re:These could be useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YYYY-MM-DD is big-endian, because the most significant digits come first. If your processor natively lays out 0x11223344 as {0x11, 0x22, 0x33, 0x44} ascending in memory then it's big-endian. SPARC is big-endian; VAX, Alpha, and IA32 are all little-endian; PPC can run little-endian but big-endian is faster. The only differences I've ever heard are that most network protocols require big-endian serialization on the wire, and that a cast between <long*> and <short*> is free in little-endian code (though any use of this is undefined behavior).

  65. Identity? by dav0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The thing that I don't understand is how existing companies can be expected to migrate to the new TLD's. When you've spent thousands of $$'s on creating an identity using .com, who's going to want to change it? Not many...

    One of the bigger problems as I see it is companies being forced to buy their .biz equivalent, to stop others from having it. If I have a legitimate business at www.chair.com, but don;t want to shell out for chair.biz, what's stopping my competitor from buying it? All my brand name recognition is going to be helping the competition. Screw that! I hate being forced to do something I don't want. And don;t get me started on .museum...

  66. Re:No Interest - education uses com as well by Mandelbrute · · Score: 1
    Does anyone here know of any .edus that use .com?
    Yes, "qut.edu.au" is also "qut.com".

    There was no real explanation why - I only have to assume that it was done to be trendy.

  67. Re:domain name confusion - FUNNY, more proposals by xXgeneric+nicknameXx · · Score: 0

    Okay then...but what the hell does THIS have to do with the relationship between lumber prices and housing starts?

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  68. simple solution: by Pope · · Score: 2

    .elvis!

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  69. This is the Best by dbCooper0 · · Score: 1
    discussion on /. I've seen in years. (months?)

    The same thoughts I had when I heard about this BS a while ago- only better. I mean, I knew that something was wrong with the whole idea, I just could not put a finger on it.

    It *is* better to put a cap on the alphanumerical combinations of characters that can precede a dotcom tld, and leave the rest to attrition. More profit for whomever - WAIT! NEWS FLASH - INTO MY EMAIL COMES:

    Dear Valued Dotster Customer, We have some good news regarding applications for .BIZ domain names! NeuLevel, the official registrar for .BIZ domain names, has decided to extend its deadline for registrars to submit applications for processing and registration. NeuLevel made this decision in response to requests from registrars and in light of the tragic events that took place last week. As a result, you can continue to submit .BIZ applications at Dotster until midnight EST on September 21, 2001. .BIZ applications are just $5 for 1-10 applications; $4.50 for 11-50 applications; $4 for 51-100 applications; and $3.50 for 100 or more applications. If we successfully register the domain you apply for, you'll automatically be charged $30 for a two-year registration. The business value of .BIZ is clear: it's the only global domain designed to help you establish, enhance and extend your Web presence. In short, .BIZ means business! Don't be left behind -- this deadline won't be extended again. To submit .BIZ applications please click here: WTF????? This is SPAM!

    Isn't there a law?????

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    1. Re:This is the Best by dbCooper0 · · Score: 1

      whoops - forgot the italics where appropriate - sorry....

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  70. .museum vs. .mus - why? by Down8 · · Score: 1

    That just doubled my typing.

    I can't believe .museum got approved. It's worse than even the slang-tainted .biz, b/c it's so damn long. Why not .mus? And don't get me started on the uselessness of .aero.

    ICANN is so useless.

    -bZj

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    1. Re:.museum vs. .mus - why? by The+Phantom+Blot · · Score: 1

      They figured they'd have to to fight the recording industry over use of .mus (as in .music). It just didn't seem worth the trouble.

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  71. Re:No Interest - education uses com as well by anonymous_synik · · Score: 1
    yeah, I'm guessing you are another QUT student... I don't know who was more pissed off when qut.com was set up...the lecturers, or the students.

    Welcome to QUT - The university for the corporate world

  72. Re:first post@!#!@ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, whats up R-66Y! How are Lucca, Nadia, and Chrono doing? Killed any tough bosses lately? So how long will you be staying in 2001?

  73. Re:first post@!#!@ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you do, ive got dibs on play.doh

  74. Re:Good!! - OT - ASOTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ah, but you're forgetting that most people are idiots.

  75. Re:Good!! - OT - ASOTV by WickedClean · · Score: 1

    Yeah, especially the ones with money. Anybody who'd buy something they saw on tv is dumb, right?

    So have you seen the new McDonald's commercials?

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  76. Re:Sucking two cocks at the same time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes

  77. 17,576 Domain names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In an earlier ./ discussion on TLDs someone had thrown in the idea to open up all 17,576 possible three letter top level domain names. The idea was modded as funny, but personally I found it rather smart. Why not provide unrestricted access to all possible TLDs in the way that the .com domain is currently handled?

    .aaa
    .aab
    .aac
    ...
    .zzx
    .zzy
    .zzz

    1. Re:17,576 Domain names by amirinator · · Score: 1

      you would need a enourmous and possibly slow DNS server to dig through all the possible entries to finally route you to the correct IP...unless the DNS server had some sort of indexing going on...which would possibly increase the efficiency somewhat...however still...too many options...

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  78. .biz? Who cares? by foo+fighter · · Score: 0

    The only places I've seen .biz for sale are in IT industry rags. I haven't seen a single ad from a company listing a .biz url. All of the big companies already have their .com. Most existing organizations (commercial or otherwise) already have their url registered and don't need a .biz.

    Who really needs a .biz, or any other tld, and who's going to care if they do get one?

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  79. When the script kiddies make the rules by spruce · · Score: 1, Funny

    there's sure to be .l33t and .H4X0r

  80. Re:No Interest - education uses com as well by Mandelbrute · · Score: 1
    I think it was a marketing thing.

    The other staff were a bit confused and annoyed about what appeared to be frivolous spending in an environment of funding cuts and education funding increasingly driven by what could be sold to overseas students (who have to pay quite a lot).

    I'm not there any more, I crashed and burned on my postgraduate studies, stopped tutoring and went back to full time work.

  81. Re:domain name confusion - FUNNY, more proposals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Both lumber prices and housing starts would be noticeably affected by implementation of either proposal.

    First, it is clear that the second proposal's implementation of genetic quality assurance and population control would greatly reduce demand for low income housing. Housing starts would be fewer in number, with each start consuming more lumber, as the superior population, with fewer dregs and unemployables, would on average be able to afford better housing.


    The first proposal would also influence housing starts and lumber prices. We must consider two possibilities: In the first, relatively few females are adapted for "special development." The reservation of these females for useful professionals would cause more people to enter into those professions, and the benefits to society would improve the economy, affecting both lumber and housing. In the second possibility, a large number of females are adapted. These numbers might be generated by human cloning. These females would be distributed to the useful members of society as servants, and the widespread use of servants would result in larger houses, built with an additional room.


    As you can see, the relationship between lumber prices and housing starts is intimately related to the proposals.

  82. .com doesn't exist. by cgenman · · Score: 1

    the reason .com is the only game in town is because it has become as integral to the functioning of the internet from an end-user level as "http://". It would be as taxing for both new and experienced users to remember cocacolainc.com as it would be to remember cocacola.inc. To find out information about fords people go to Ford.com. It might as well not have the .com at the end at all, and be just Ford. Ford.info, however, has to be remembered with the ending. Even slashdot gets a huge percentage of users coming to slashdot.com. It will be a long time before people automatically go to xxx.museum to look for a museum piece, or xxx.biz to look for a business that isn't a .com.

    There are only so many combinations of letters in the alphabet. [company_name][qualifier].com is just as easy to remember as [company_name].[qualifier] but is a whole lot more flexible.

  83. Re:I want goatse.biz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want goat.sex

  84. My favorite .com by Janon · · Score: 1

    is this one: http://www.command.com

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  85. Re:No Interest - education uses com as well by anonymous_synik · · Score: 1

    I'm stuck in 2nd Year IT. From what I heard it was entirely a marketing thing. John Hynd was pissed++ :-)

  86. news.bbc.co.uk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't start with www or end with com.

    BTW "company" does not necessarily imply "commercial"; public organisations (even cities) are setup as companies or "corporations".

  87. Uniform Dispute Policy, All TLDs The Same by pjrc · · Score: 2
    If ICANN really wanted the new TLD's to mean something (other than a carbon-copy of the existing dot-com), their dispute resolution policy would contain language that the domain name would be awarded to the party whose purpose is most aligned with the intended use of the particular top level domain, perhaps in the absence of bad faith (swatting, intentionally misleading, etc).

    But they don't. Most of the language is oriented to give the name to the trademark holder, with some consideration of wether the respondant is using the domain name or registered it in bad faith. It doesn't matter if you register a .info, and put up a few simple pages with some information about a company... if they have a trademark on the name, the rules (and grim reality of the dispute process) is exactly the same as if it were a .com, .biz, or whatever. There's no consideration written into the dispute policy for wether the respondant chose the correct TLD for their content (assuming they're not just squatting).

    Likewise, there was all sorts of talk about registeration in various new TLDs requiring that you show that you really belong in that TLD. Well, it looks like it's all turned into a simple matter of paying money to the registars (the more you pay, the better the chance of being picked to receive the desired name, regardless of wether it may be appropriate for you to host a site within that TLD).

    1. Re:Uniform Dispute Policy, All TLDs The Same by vidarh · · Score: 2
      If you take a look at the rules for ".name", you will see that the dispute rules has been adapted to the intent of the TLD (it favors persons that actually have the name they register)

      There's even provisions for allowing your registration even when it specifically collides with a valid trademark claim, as long as you are registering your name, nickname or something close to it.

      (ObDisclaimer: I work for GNR, the company that operates .name)

    2. Re:Uniform Dispute Policy, All TLDs The Same by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

      I'm still upset that .org isn't reserved for oranisations and not-for-profit groups anymore, that .net is being used by non network providers and .com is one of the only available TLDs for people to get personally.

      What I believe we really need is to replace the domain name system with a keyword system; I know, I know, AOL comes to mind.

      However, wouldn't: "person Michael Babcock" be a nice way to find the list of people who registered that "keyword domain"? How about "company Redhat" or something like "company [linux]" to get all names containing "Linux"?

      DNS was designed, quite obviously, for a one-to-one relationship between companies/sites/individuals and names. This relationship can still be maintained using DNS, but superceded by maintained keyword indexes (as a dmoz extension?). There are many companies by certain names; apc.com wasn't held by American Power Conversion for a long time (who had to register apcc.com) because another company or group also has the initials APC. Name dispute resolution would still exist, but we wouldn't need to worry about telling someone they couldn't use a common word for their keyword name just because another company uses it as their trademark.

      Implementation is another discussion, but I use Alexa's keyword system and Yahoo's indexes a lot more often than I use domain names to find companies and individuals.

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  88. wave the flag with .us tld's by Nethead · · Score: 1

    I've changed my .sig line on mail proggy to my hamelin.edmonds.wa.us domain to show my support for our (US) nation durring these times. I'd suggest that those of you with nameservers and a bit of cash (about the same as netsol) to get your own .us domain. It's great to put on your snail box and makes the postal carrier really wonder.

    Not an ad, but it's hard to find where to reg .us stuff.. try starting at beltane.com.

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  89. eh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not cybersquatting if you eventually do something with it.

  90. Re:domain name confusion - FUNNY, more proposals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love you.

  91. TDL's represent all that is wrong with the net by levinas · · Score: 1
    The main problem with the internet is it contains all the information that any person could need but there is no way to access it. Imagine a libarary where all the pages haven been torn out of the book's and placed in a total mess on the ground, then imagine if that pile was in a total state of flux and you have something pretty close to what the internet is today.

    While it is true that there are directories and search engines able to access and orgainaise all this information there is no set stardard to how this information is layed out. If you don't think that this is a problem then go on goggle and type is less then three words and see how much rubbish that you get hits to.

    Today a paradox exists that you have to know what your looking for before you can find it. If TLD's meant somthing then all you would have to do would list all site's with the .xxx extension and go nut's.

    If the internet is to become a usefull medium for normal people then it should be possible to guess the content of a site based on the TLD's. .com .org etc work because of this but .biz dosent becasue of this reasion.

  92. .Community by Waveney · · Score: 1

    I recently registered a .com domain where we conciously considered the .com as meaning community. .org would have been too constrained as the group was not in any way organised. .net could have been used... but.

    .com is taken as THE tld, it does not have to mean commercial. I am sure there is a lot of scope for other meanings to .com.

    Richard

  93. dot shmot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    We, better than many, understand, what's in a name.

    all things NOT being equal, maybe you should investigate acquiring this noticable .com/net/org, from us. only a handful of suitors so far.

    fud is dead. how about all those bogus Billys'Bugs(tm) port scans? wonder the 'net can be running so well.

  94. New TLD for PORNO! by dentar · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about .cum?

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  95. Re:No Interest -- .com or bust by ethereal · · Score: 1

    That's "index.htm", if we're really talking about how the average person views the web, you know :)

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  96. Nobody is in .biz-ness anyway by Kamel+Jockey · · Score: 1

    In addition to the other reasons, I don't think customers will take seriously a company which uses a .biz address. The fact that ICANN chose such a slang term for the top-level domain shows they have no concept of the fact that in business, image is crucial. No one will buy from you if they don't take you seriously.

    Perhaps a better choice instead of .biz would be something somewhat more mature, such as .inc, .ltd, .llc, .corp, or something along those lines.

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  97. .biz is area code 888 by 87C751 · · Score: 1
    Really, a going .com can't afford not to have .biz, as it weakens their brand and signals that the .com might be snatchable. .biz is a tax, a doubled renewal free, pure and simple.
    This reminds me of the brouhaha over extending toll-free area codes. When 888 and 877 were introduced, marketing companies scrambled to sell existing 800 customers the 888 and 877 versions of their numbers "to prevent consumer confusion". In reality, this little land rush reduced the value of 888/877, because it occupied namespace that was supposed to be available for expansion.

    In a similar vein, when a company registers theirname.biz alongside theirname.com, theirname.net, theirname.org, theirname.tv, etc. ad infinitum (or perhaps ad nauseum), they have essentially reduced the number of TLDs to one. What was intended to be a larger namespace becomes a simple alternate spelling of the .com-space. Nothing is gained, other than lining the pockets of the registrars.

    <aside>
    Marketers don't get it right very often, either. NetSol recently spammed me with a pitch to buy the .net and .org versions of my .com domain name, even though both were already taken and both were registered by NetSol!
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  98. .biz won't solve the problem by nick_burns · · Score: 0

    Since all the good .com names are already taken, the company that owns whatever.com would buy whatever.biz, thus no real solution to the shortage of names (if such shortage really exists). I see it as just a way to make the .com owners pay more money to Verisign so they have to protect their name. What would keep me from registering microsoft.biz besides microsoft having to pay for it.

    1. Re:.biz won't solve the problem by pclminion · · Score: 1
      I see it as just a way to make the .com owners pay more money to Verisign so they have to protect their name.

      Precisely. This is all a massive scam. Here's the loophole they are exploiting: in order for a company to retain rights over its trademark, it must protect that trademark against infringement. If, say, Sun Micro failed to stop someone from registering sun.biz, that would be seen as failure to protect the mark. End result? Verisign (or whoever) ends up collecting their money again.

      Once they cash out .biz, they'll start it all over again with .e-biz, .corp, .tech, and .fck-me-in-the-goatass. Of course, it will eventually be stopped, since our government is all about protecting corporations. They won't stand for this for too long.

    2. Re:.biz won't solve the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sun.com doesn't have to register "sun.biz". If another hardware or software vendor (trademarks are limited to classes of business, remember) starts doing business as "sun.biz", then sun.com needs to send a lawyer letter or sue to stop them.

  99. Keep it simple stupid by DABANSHEE · · Score: 1

    seabrookpd.gov.us or seabrook.gov will do

    lausdk12.edu.us or lausdk12.edu will do.

    I like those European countries where you don't even need a com, net, or org, etc TLD, just the country, so someone in Italy has 'fuck.it'.

    Here in Oz you can pay more & have 'com', 'net', 'org', 'gov' or 'edu', etc, without the '.au' after it, or pay less & have '.au' after it (well that how it seems to work much of the time).

    But there must be a TLD before .au, unlike those specific European nations.

    There's some old ecentric coder too, who was the 1st to bring TLDs to Australia & ran the whole thing till the govt & corporates took over. Back in those days he registed some strange TLDs like dropbear.au, etc. The govt/corporate world don'r like these strange TLDs of his floating about, so they are trying to have them cancelled.

    1. Re:Keep it simple stupid by markhb · · Score: 1

      I'm eagerly awaiting the day when the Bahamas makes easy registration available. How many disgruntled IT workers will be running to register <mycompany>.bs?

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    2. Re:Keep it simple stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Top-Level Domain in "foo.com.au" is "au" (it's a Country Code Top Level Domain, or ccTLD). I don't know a good term for reusing "com" as a type suffix, but it's definitely not at the top level so TLD is wrong.

  100. I got this email concerning 'show.biz' by Wedman · · Score: 1

    I though that is would be interesting to try and register for the 'show.biz' domain. I really don't expect to get it; I do expect that there'll be a big fuss about it.

    Lo and behold, I received this in my email:

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    show.biz 767174

    According to our records you have applied for the above listed .BIZ domain name.
    The purpose of this E-mail is to formally notify you that the domain name for
    which you applied matches one or more Intellectual Property (IP) Claims that
    were received by the .BIZ Registry. In other words, one or more intellectual
    property owners believe that they have intellectual property rights in the
    domain name for which you have applied. You should be aware that if you choose
    to continue the application process, your domain name registration may be
    challenged under several Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
    (ICANN)-approved dispute resolution mechanisms, including the Start-up Trademark
    Opposition Policy (STOP) http://www.neulevel.BIZ/countdown/stop.html and the
    Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp.htm.

    IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATION PROCESS, YOU MUST GO TO
    https://extranet.neulevel.com/services/registran t/ private/ConflictedDomainName.jsp
    IN ORDER TO INDICATE YOUR INTENT TO EITHER âoePROCEEDâ WITH OR âoeCANCELâ
    YOUR REGISTRATION REQUEST. NOTE THAT PROCEEDING WITH YOUR REGISTRATION REQUEST
    IN NO WAY GUARANTEES THAT YOUR APPLICATION WILL BE SELECTED FOR REGISTRATION BY
    THE .BIZ REGISTRY. LOG INTO THE SITE WITH THE FOLLOWING USERID AND PASSWORD:
    USERID: N-BBBW5
    Password: [hamp4er

    Listed below is the following IP Claim information:

    a. The Intellectual Property Claimantâ(TM)s contact details;
    b. Exact trademark or service mark (âoetrademarkâ) in which the IP Claimant is
    basing its claim. NOTE: If the Exact Trademark contains any
    non-alphanumeric characters, other than a hyphen, the exact trademark may be
    displayed below with the non-alphanumeric characters removed. For example, if
    the exact trademark is NeuLevel, Inc., then it is possible that only
    âoeneulevelincâ (without the âoecommaâ, âoespaceâ or âoeperiodâ) will be
    displayed;
    c. The .BIZ Claim String and its associated identification number;
    d. A description of the goods and/or services alleged to be used in connection
    with the trademark;
    e. The date in which the trademark or service mark was either first used in
    connection with the associated goods and/or services or alternatively in which
    an âoeintent to useâ trademark application was filed;
    f. The country where the goods and/or services were alleged to have been first
    used;
    g. Whether the trademark is âoeRegisteredâ or has been âoeApplied Forâ in
    any national trademark office or whether the IP Clamant is alleging IP rights to
    the trademark based on common law or usage rights;
    h. If the trademark has either been âoeApplied Forâ or âoeRegisteredâ, the
    date in which the application was filed or the date the registration was issued;
    i. If the trademark has either been âoeApplied Forâ or âoeRegisteredâ, or if
    the IP Claimant voluntarily provided such information, the International Class
    in which the goods and/or services are alleged to be used.

    Note: NeuLevel, Inc., the Registry Operator for .BIZ, has collected this
    information directly from the IP Claimant(s) through its IP Claim Service or
    through an ICANN-Accredited Registrar. Such information is provided to you by
    NeuLevel for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in deciding
    whether or not to proceed with the .BIZ domain name application process.
    NeuLevel is providing this information âoeAS ISâ and has not validated or
    verified any of the data below. Therefore, it cannot guarantee its accuracy or
    completeness. After reviewing the information below, you may wish to consult
    with your intellectual property attorney or advisor on whether or not to proceed
    with the registration process.

    The following are the details of each IP Claim for show.biz.

    1a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Adeptech Systems, Inc.
    1420 Spring Hill Road, Suite 600

    McLean
    VA
    22102
    1b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    1c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 19
    1d. Description of Goods and/or Services: Communication Services
    1e. Alleged Date of First Use: 1955-01-01 00:00:00.
    1f. Country of First Use: USA.
    1g. Trademark Status: Common Law
    1h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": Not Applicable
    1i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr Rama Kant

    Adeptech Systems, Inc.
    1420 Spring Hill Road, Suite 600

    McLean, VA 22102
    USA
    703.404.3775
    703.421.8179
    kant@adeptech.com

    2a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Request Music
    1505 9th street
    suite 201
    Santa Monica
    CA
    90401
    2b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    2c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 862
    2d. Description of Goods and/or Services: web site to direct consumers to a
    variety of entertainment services
    2e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-05-01 00:00:00.
    2f. Country of First Use: Intentionally left blank by Claimant.
    2g. Trademark Status: Common Law
    2h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": Not Applicable
    2i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr William Sager
    ceo
    Request Music
    1505 9th street
    Suite 201
    Santa Monica, CA 90401
    USA
    310-200-4700

    wls@home.com

    3a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Central Westchester Neuromuscular Care
    141 South Central Park Avenue
    Suite 205
    Hartsdale
    New York
    10530
    3b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    3c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 1866
    3d. Description of Goods and/or Services:
    3e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-05-22 00:00:00.
    3f. Country of First Use: Intentionally left blank by Claimant.
    3g. Trademark Status: Common Law
    3h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": Not Applicable
    3i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Dr Joseph Carcione

    Central Westchester Neuromuscular Care
    141 South Central Park Avenue
    Suite 205
    Hartsdale, New York 10530
    USA
    914-948-3443
    914-948-3444
    cwnc@aol.com

    4a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Criterion Holdings Pty Ltd
    34 St Quentin Avenue
    Claremont
    Perth
    Western Australia
    6010
    4b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    4c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 2717
    4d. Description of Goods and/or Services:
    4e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-05-22 00:00:00.
    4f. Country of First Use: AUS.
    4g. Trademark Status: Common Law
    4h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": Not Applicable
    4i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr Barry Jones
    Director
    Criterion Holdings Pty Ltd
    34 St Quentin Avenue
    Claremont
    Perth, Western Australia 6010
    AUS
    61 8 9385 3210
    61 8 9385 3995
    barry@criterion.com.au
    jonesfam2@yahoo.com

    5a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Frontier Systems Ltd
    8-10 Tavistock Street

    London

    WC2E 7PP
    5b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    5c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 2978
    5d. Description of Goods and/or Services: West End(London) based ticket agency
    for all shows throughout the UK.
    5e. Alleged Date of First Use: 1998-04-14 00:00:00.
    5f. Country of First Use: GBR.
    5g. Trademark Status: Common Law
    5h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": Not Applicable
    5i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr James Lynch

    Frontier Systems Ltd
    8-10 Tavistock Street

    London, WC2E 7PP
    GBR
    44 20 7420 4236
    44 20 7420 4260
    jim@fsys.co.uk

    6a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    IHD
    25 Templar Road

    Manalapan
    New Jersey
    07726
    6b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    6c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 10502
    6d. Description of Goods and/or Services: provide very hard to acquire theater
    tickets to sold out venue shows on New York City's Broadway, off broadway and
    off-off-broadway stages to manhattan elites on a 7 day to 7 hour prior notice.
    6e. Alleged Date of First Use: 1999-05-01 00:00:00.
    6f. Country of First Use: USA.
    6g. Trademark Status: APPLIED
    6h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 1999-05-01 00:00:00
    6i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr Amjed Mustafa

    IHD of New Jersey
    25 Templar Road

    Manalapan, New Jersey 07726
    USA
    732 610 6036

    ihdihd@aol.com

    7a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Tom Pipinou
    25909 Clausen Ct

    Hayward
    CA
    94541
    7b. Trademark or Service Mark: Show
    7c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 14330
    7d. Description of Goods and/or Services: Information, content and sales
    pertaining to the entertainment industry.
    7e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-01-01 00:00:00.
    7f. Country of First Use: CTM.
    7g. Trademark Status: COMMON
    7h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 2001-01-01 00:00:00
    7i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr Thomas Pipinou

    Tom Pipinou
    25909 Clausen Ct

    Hayward, CA 94541
    USA
    510-881-0879

    tommo@pacbell.net

    8a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    mnemonicrom
    789 sutherland ave

    kelowna
    bc
    v1y-5x4
    8b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    8c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 14409
    8d. Description of Goods and/or Services: ebooks,resumes,show stuff
    8e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2000-01-01 00:00:00.
    8f. Country of First Use: CAN.
    8g. Trademark Status: COMMON
    8h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 2000-01-01 00:00:00
    8i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr philip john jatzek
    president
    mnemonicrom
    789 sutherland ave

    kelowna, bc v1y-5z4
    CAN
    1-250-717-5475
    1-250-717-5475
    pjatzek@telus.net

    9a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Clyde Wilson, Jr.
    27 S. Orange Ave.

    Sarasota
    FL
    34236
    9b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    9c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 25138
    9d. Description of Goods and/or Services: Website provides information in the
    field of entertainment, including movie showtime listings, entertainment
    industry news and movie reviews; and website sells movies, movie posters and
    like items.
    9e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-06-29 00:00:00.
    9f. Country of First Use: USA.
    9g. Trademark Status: APPLIED
    9h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 2000-08-14 00:00:00
    9i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr Geoffrey Wilson

    Geoffrey Wilson
    602 S. Main St., Suite C

    Gainesville, FL 32601
    USA
    352-214-3779
    352-374-6965
    gwilson@silverscape.net

    10a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    EGGER
    Tiergartenstrasse 126

    6020 Innsbruck

    10b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    10c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 25823
    10d. Description of Goods and/or Services:
    10e. Alleged Date of First Use: 1999-02-01 00:00:00.
    10f. Country of First Use: AUT.
    10g. Trademark Status: REGISTERED
    10h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 2001-07-01 00:00:00
    10i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr gerhard egger

    egger gerhard
    tiergartenstrasse 126

    innsbruck, innsbruck 6020
    AUT
    +43 (0)664 2204469
    +43 (0)512 567256
    onair@aon.at
    gerhard.egger@gmx.at

    11a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    "Aubenhaus Productions, Inc"
    37 Garden Villa

    Pinehurst
    North Carolina
    28374
    11b. Trademark or Service Mark: NotProvidedInBulk
    11c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 31525
    11d. Description of Goods and/or Services:
    11e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-06-17 00:00:00.
    11f. Country of First Use: USA.
    11g. Trademark Status: APPLIED
    11h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 2001-06-17 00:00:00
    11i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Timothy Norris

    "Aubenhaus Productions, Inc"
    37 Garden Villa

    Pinehurst, North Carolina 28374
    USA
    910-315-4170

    tjnorris@nc.rr.com

    12a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    "Sarantech, inc."
    301 Franklin Rd

    West Palm Beach
    Florida
    33405
    12b. Trademark or Service Mark: NotProvidedInBulk
    12c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 31585
    12d. Description of Goods and/or Services:
    12e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-01-01 00:00:00.
    12f. Country of First Use: USA.
    12g. Trademark Status: COMMON
    12h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For":
    12i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Peter Sarantidis

    "Sarantech, inc."
    301 Franklin Rd

    West Palm Beach, Florida 33405
    USA
    561-309-7727

    buzznbee@citywalk.net

    13a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    show
    111 mt horeb rd

    warren
    new jersey
    7059
    13b. Trademark or Service Mark: NotProvidedInBulk
    13c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 31754
    13d. Description of Goods and/or Services: business manager
    13e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-06-18 00:00:00.
    13f. Country of First Use: USA.
    13g. Trademark Status: APPLIED
    13h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 2001-01-01 00:00:00
    13i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    james goodling

    show
    111 mt horeb rd

    warren, new jersey 7059
    USA
    7323560442

    bgood1229@aol.com

    14a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Tinytrack
    479 Independence Court

    Sharon
    PA
    16146
    14b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    14c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 34771
    14d. Description of Goods and/or Services:
    14e. Alleged Date of First Use: 1970-12-01 00:00:00.
    14f. Country of First Use: USA.
    14g. Trademark Status: COMMON
    14h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 1970-12-01 00:00:00
    14i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    John Nichols

    John Nichols
    479 Independence Court

    Sharon, PA 16146
    USA
    (724) 346-2832

    tinytrack@worldnet.att.net
    tinytrack@worldnet.att.net

    15a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    "premiere studio rentals, inc."
    1621 First Street

    San Fernando
    Ca
    91340
    15b. Trademark or Service Mark: NotProvidedInBulk
    15c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 48253
    15d. Description of Goods and/or Services: Motion Picture Studio Rentals.
    15e. Alleged Date of First Use: 1992-01-01 00:00:00.
    15f. Country of First Use: USA.
    15g. Trademark Status: COMMON
    15h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For":
    15i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Michael Walsh

    "premiere studio rentals, inc"
    1621 First Street

    San Fernando, Ca 91340
    USA
    818-365-5656
    818-365-4595
    venergroup@aol.com

    16a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Arche Nova Marvin Entholt Filmproduktion
    Hedwigstr. 9

    Munich
    Bavaria
    80636
    16b. Trademark or Service Mark: show
    16c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 48491
    16d. Description of Goods and/or Services: develeopment of tv shows
    organisation of show events
    directing of stage shows
    16e. Alleged Date of First Use: 1995-01-01 00:00:00.
    16f. Country of First Use: DEU.
    16g. Trademark Status: COMMON
    16h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 1995-01-01 00:00:00
    16i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr Marvin Entholt

    Arche Nova Marvin Entholt Filmproduktion
    Hedwigstr. 9

    Munich, Bavaria 80636
    DEU
    0049891294429
    0049801294399
    entholt@aol.com

    17a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    CON4 GmbH
    Kinkelstrasse 34

    Zurich

    8006
    17b. Trademark or Service Mark: NotProvidedInBulk
    17c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 62632
    17d. Description of Goods and/or Services: class 38 telecommunications
    17e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-06-04 00:00:00.
    17f. Country of First Use: CHE.
    17g. Trademark Status: APPLIED
    17h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 2001-06-04 00:00:00
    17i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Felix Thommen

    CON4 GmbH
    Kinkelstrasse 34

    Zurich, 8006
    CHE
    +41 1 350 00 21
    +41 1 350 00 21
    felix@thommen.com

    18a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    "Arthur F. Leritz, M.D.,P.S."
    1408 13th Street

    Milford
    IA
    51351
    18b. Trademark or Service Mark: NotProvidedInBulk
    18c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 62728
    18d. Description of Goods and/or Services: Acting school.
    18e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-01-01 00:00:00.
    18f. Country of First Use: USA.
    18g. Trademark Status: APPLIED
    18h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For": 2001-01-01 00:00:00
    18i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Arthur Leritz

    "Arthur F. Leritz, M.D.,P.S."
    1408 13th Street

    Milford, IA 51351
    USA
    712-338-9149

    manta8@milfordcable.net

    19a. Intellectual Property Claimant's Contact Information
    Bonver Videodata AB
    Vardshusvagen

    Lidingo

    181 85
    19b. Trademark or Service Mark: NotProvidedInBulk
    19c. IP Claim String and Identification Number: show.biz 85399
    19d. Description of Goods and/or Services: "Sales and rent of Video, Music and
    multimedia. Thirdpart logistics Video / DVD"
    19e. Alleged Date of First Use: 2001-01-11 00:00:00.
    19f. Country of First Use: SWE.
    19g. Trademark Status: COMMON
    19h. Date "Registered" or "Applied For":
    19i. International Class: Not Applicable

    For more information on this intellectual property claim, please contact:

    Mr Peter Sonnerhed

    Bonver Videodata AB
    Vardshusvagen

    Lidingo,
    SWE
    +46 8 766 78 44
    +46 8 766 79 81
    peter.sonnerhed@bonver.com

    AS A REMINDER, IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE APPLICATION PROCESS, YOU MUST GO TO
    https://extranet.neulevel.com/services/registran t/ private/ConflictedDomainName.jsp
    IN ORDER TO INDICATE YOUR INTENT TO EITHER "PROCEED" OR "CANCEL" YOUR
    REGISTRATION REQUEST. NOTE THAT PROCEEDING WITH YOUR REGISTRATION REQUEST IN NO
    WAY GUARANTEES THAT YOUR APPLICATION WILL BE SELECTED FOR REGISTRATION BY THE
    .BIZ REGISTRY. LOG INTO THE SITE WITH THE FOLLOWING USERID AND PASSWORD:
    USERID: N-BBBW5
    Password: [hamp4er

    As a service to the international Internet community and businesses around the
    world, NeuLevel, Inc., the Registry Operator for .BIZ, is providing this
    notification to you in English and in the preferred language that you specified
    if other than English. NeuLevel is providing this foreign translation service
    "AS IS" and has not validated or verified the accuracy or completeness of such
    translation. Therefore, in the event of any dispute arising out of this
    notification, the "English" version shall control.

    Registry for .BIZ

  101. Mod that man up! by horza · · Score: 2

    Now that is a very good point. I also have a couple of very good domain names which I bought for A Great Idea(tm) during the Internet boom which I then never got around to doing. I would sell mine on for a very modest sum if anyone approached me. I bet there are thousands of us in the same boat. Those remaining cybersquatters must know that after the .com crash their dreams of making squillions from their domain names are long gone, and are probably prepared to be reasonable. I also think that in a year we will see a Renaissance of the .com, with an open market asking knock-down prices.

    I think it people really were desperate for new TLDs then services such as ALTERNIC would be more popular. If the Linux browsers Mozilla and Konqueror were configured by default to also check an alternate nameserver then the Linux community could have fun by inventing their own TLDs which could then be accessed by everyone else in the community (http://news.linux/ anyone?)

    Phillip.

    1. Re:Mod that man up! by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

      You'd be surprised. I've tried to buy jscript.com a couple of times and the first time he wanted like $25,000 and I think he's down to $1000 now but geez... I'll give him $50 for it.

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  102. .xxx-TLD by amirinator · · Score: 1

    i think all the porn sites should be forced to use .xxx so you know what crap you are getting yourself into when clicking on certain links...and if some porn site uses a .com, .net, etc. to link to a .xxx....then off with their heads!(or bandwidth in this case :>)

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  103. Confusion by hether · · Score: 1

    I sometimes get calls to assist people unexperienced with the internet, mostly elderly. I find one of their common mistakes, that adding new TLDs will only exacerbate, is that they want to add .com to whatever address you give them. So say they're told to go to earthlink.net, they go to earthlink.net.com because they think all addresses should end with .com. As the .org and and .net names have caught on and are being advertised more they are learning those are ok to use, but keep adding TLDs and a lot of people will be confused.

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  104. Re:No Interest - education uses com as well by Weh · · Score: 1

    I couldn't believe it when the Faculty of Aerospace Engineering set up this site, it's ridiculous IMO since all the other faculties of my university use something that ends in tudelft.nl .

  105. And for Star Trek fans by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    .fed
    .47
    .klingon
    .rom (.romulan?)

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    1. Re:And for Star Trek fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then the Klingon Language Institute would have to reregister.

  106. I just wanted... by snipingkills · · Score: 1

    to own mypla.net . Then I could tell people this was my planet and they should leave as soon as possible.

  107. www.army.mil by arete · · Score: 2

    is actually the address of the army.

    www.goarmy.com is essentially the recruitment address - it's where they want you to go if you're interested in joining. .mil has infomation on bases, press releases, info for current soldiers...

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  108. bypass it all by syusuf · · Score: 1

    Why not come up with a new naming convention for web purposes that sits on top of the current DNS archictecture.

    For example I could go to my browser and type #MICROSOFT or something and it would then resolve to host1888333.microsoft.com or even multiple servers that can be anything available to those providing web services.

    This way the competition for domain names, driven by the web, would cease.

  109. Another way this could have been done by spudgun · · Score: 1

    Why not add .us to then end of all the .com and .net and etc , then setup nameservers so that when queryed with ibm.com it looks at ibm.com.?? where ?? is the local country
    this would mean that the pressure would be removed from .com with all the other countrys using their own registerys

    The internet is an International Network and the domain names should reflect this

    This scheme would mean that putting ibm.com or ibm.co in a browser would go to the local ibm site , and putting ibm.com.us would goto the us page - internatinal companys can afford registering in every country of operation anyway

    does anyone here have any reasion that this plan wouldn't work ?

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  110. If you want a .personal page by ronfar · · Score: 2
    Why not get a .pn domain instead? Yes, that's right, a country founded by the mutineers of the HMS Bounty has its own domain. Here's the page you need to go to to get it:


    The Domain Name Registry for
    Pitcairn Island!

    Our aim is to bring the benefits of the Internet to Pitcairn Island, and to bring Pitcairn Island into the Internet community. We look forward to the day when the schoolchildren on Pitcairn can "surf the Net" just like kids from schools in the big city.

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  111. Re:domain name confusion - FUNNY, more proposals by xXgeneric+nicknameXx · · Score: 0

    Pure genius...thanks for clearing that up for me.

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