The entire first season built the story. Without it, the following seasons have no foundation, they wouldn't work.
The episode I'm thinking of revolves around Garibaldi investigating a missing station worker, only to discover there is a hidden floor between decks 16 and 17, the elevator just doesn't stop on it normally. There is a weird death cult living on the floor, complete with monster that is man in a bad rubber suit. It is cheesy, completely out of character, and in no way is related to any of the others. If I remember correctly, even the other subplots were only unessential developments of the story arc.
It was like a bad SNL skit about b5, to be quite honest.
SG1 is a special case. Having seen the movie first, was impossible to think that it could be a decent show... how many other movies-turned-syndicated shows have been awful?
And the first season is pretty bad, to be honest. Every third episode of later seasons is goofy (though not necessarily bad). They seem to do another third that are formula scifi (the time loop one is straight out of star trek and who knows where else... but seeing Teal'c and O'Neil whacking golf balls through the stargate made up for it).
Generally, the details are good. It can be a likable show, and it's not so far off. I can't imagine the military having the damn thing, and not making some progress over a period of years... though I wonder if a starship could be built so quickly. And they tend not to rely on deus ex machina nearly as much as some other shows.
I promise not to troll. I've seen exactly one episode in its entirety, the one they play backwards with the captain being shot. I've seen bits and pieces of maybe another 2 episodes.
From what I've seen, I wasn't impressed at all, not even a little. Maybe It was the worst of the entire series, short lived as it was. I'll even admit there is 1 B5 episode out there, that if it was the first I had seen, well, it would have been the last.
That said, this marketing campaign doesn't seem all that great. I'm assuming that those of you that have loved the show (and I know you're out there, I once went from 2 to -1, Troll in 30 some seconds on a Firefly story) will go see it no matter what. Marketing exists for people like me. I like science fiction, but need some encouragement to want to see this movie.
Anyone care to try explaining to me what's so great about it, without sounding like you just converted to a cult 2 weeks ago?
The Gibson script would have been awesome because it was Aliens with more/bigger guns. But that it set it up for #4 to be what it would be, that's what put it over the top.
Ripley arrives home to earth, wakes up to find the planet one giant hive of them? And Newt's still alive to rescue. I'm not sure how it would even end up, but it would have been the best of them all (which is saying something, considering how good both #1 and #2 ended up being, and how likely a Gibson #3 would have been).
In 20 years, I can tell my personal AI to re-render it complete with authentic 1986 Michael Biehn/Sigourney Weaver/Lance Henriksen...
Shit, I'll be able to do a proper Keaton Batman sequel too. God, but the future looks bright for movies...
That Alien #3 was supposed to have been a much superior movie? I even read the script to it, someone once posted a link to it here on slashdot. Alan Dean Foster, of all people, wrote it. It was pretty good, I could see what it would have been...
Oh, and the setup it would have left for #4 would have been awe-inspiring. Leave it to hollywood to fuck up unfuckupable trilogies...
I hate to call FUD, but something is wrong here. Even if I stole 1000 numbers, had all the other information I needed to go with them, at most, 50 of those will turn out to be eligible, and maybe not for the full $400. You have to file every single week of those 26 weeks. Then you have to convert a check with someone else's name on it... and it's been forever since I've been able to cash even a payroll check anywhere without an account. Hell, even the grocery stores that used to do it won't anymore.
100 checks, would require 100 visits to unemployment offices, there are maybe a dozen in my city, that means at least 8 people visiting. Lots of potential for someone to notice a familiar face.
You must be disagreeing with most of the legislators in the US, then. Many of them are lawyers, the rest are advised by lawyers. When copyright infringement was made criminal, you didn't hear about anyone crying that "there were already laws for theft on the books, why make it more complicated?". Why? Because trying to use existing laws would have been laughed out of court. No one is arguing that it's not legal, and I'm not arguing (at least right now) that it's not immoral. I just pointed out why it wasn't theft in the legal sense of the word.
If I'm ever charged with this, I hope you are the prosecutor, it will be an easy dismissal.
Wrong. Mens Rea is the intent to deprive him of the IP, which is impossible, he still has his copy. That's why copyright infringement requires its own criminal laws. But don't worry, big business bought those laws.
Wouldn't care to argue Actus Reus though, that's certainly debatable.
It figures that no one knows much about ole' TJ anymore. Somehow, I get the impression he might actually approve of magical candles that can be used by 1 million people simultaneously. I'm sure candlemakers would have been unhappy, but most as a whole would have looked at it as if it were a boon. Not every village had its own chandler, after all. And those that do, it would no longer be the most efficient way to light up the night.
It's propaganda the second they edit out all the people pulled over who are found to have no drugs. Or did you think the police on Cops were all psychic, and had 1 bust after another, never a miss? They'll never show the old hick guy that was pulled over, starts arguing, gets into it, and when they do the search 3 hours later as he's crying, they find absolutely nothing, and they finally let him go... but not after lecturing him anyway, the final insult. Ever see that one? There have to be a few. Maybe he was going to 7-11 to buy beer, or maybe he was on his way to the one job interview he's managed to get in the entire last 6 months. No way to know, even if they didn't edit those out.
Why are you running away from a cop?
Maybe you are Amadou Diallo's neighbor, and you witnessed him being shot up 41 times by men not in uniform that failed to adequately identify themselves as police officers, even as the guy was pulling out his wallet to offer it to the "muggers". Most cops are not that big of a lowlife, but if all or most of your experiences with them have been as half as bad as my example, it might be a good idea to run if you have even a slight chance of making it.
Don't be such a pussy, making judgements isn't wrong. Even if you do think it is wrong, I submit people have been using the wrong word. They should be worrying about "condemning" others, not judging them. Of course, using the correct word might fuck up their entire agenda, but I'll the identification of that agenda as an exercise for the reader...
Absent another example, where they don't advertise, it's impossible to know whether it works or not. They might stop tomorrow, and continue to sell cars. If that were the case, maybe its not working.
Supposing it does work though, then the mechanism does bother you, does it not? I mean, extortion and hostage-taking work too. Suppose they send out thugs that threaten to rape your wife and dog, and murder the kids unless you buy a new Chevy Suburban... that'd work, wouldn't it? Some idiot would try to call the bluff, but out of thousands, more would concede than not. Hell, I bet it works better than advertising. Why not do that?
Ah, so it does work, and they are illegally and unethically brainwashing me. Taking that into consideration, how much damage can I do them for the longest period of time while either remaining uncaught, or using borderline legal tactics? And what methods would I use to do this damage?
Bah, don't answer that. I'm still working on a project to steal as much long distance revenue away from phone companies as is possible. I can only fight one war at a time.
I'm feeling charitable though. Here's what came to mind.
FORD Overpriced piece of shit made by lazy union workers, with too much emphasis on their higher-margin SUVs. CHEVY Overpriced piece of shit made by lazy union workers, with too much emphasis on their higher-margin SUVs. MERCEDES Overpriced piece of german shit made by lazy europeans primarily sold as a status symbol to the upper middle class who've never worked a day in their lives. ASTON-MARTIN Overpriced piece of british shit primarily sold as a status symbol to the rich upper class so they can get pussy.
I'm sorry then, I didn't realize you'd be so fucking picky. Advertising or not, I have right here at my fingertips, the tools that will A) let me know every car manufacturer still in existence here on planet earth B) those that are accessible to me in any reasonable way and C) more than I'd ever want to know about each and every single fucking model I might ever consider, supposing I win the lottery and can afford one.
Keeping all this in mind, and also considering that it was a semi-sarcastic example anyway since I'm not, nor likely ever will be, in the market for a new car, you might want to consider that yes, in particular, of all the advertising I think ridiculous, automobile advertising is both particularly worthless and particularly obnoxious.
Advertising used to be a company that can't make something I'd ever want, trying to sell it to me anyway. Now it's companies that I might buy from anyway, but they're retarded and think they have to compete, so they'll advertise anyway. Maybe they decide they need 15% annual growth even in a mature market, or some psycholo-quacktologist has them believing they have a new subliminal technique. Besides, more to the topic, if the free web dies, we'll just pirate that too. Fuck them.
Or it could be that I drive the interstate every day, seeing thousands (literally) of their suckass ugly SUVs. Or that I grew up going to school, and learning about Ford in history class. The fucking unabomber himself couldn't have hid from the things very easily, up in his mountain shack. If you're going to pull out this stale, tired argument, then please please please pick another product where the average person could possible not know what they are.
Oh wait, those products are generally so cool, that we see articles about them even here on slashdot, talking about how they defy all known business models with their word-of-mouth campaigns.
#1 I've undoubtedly been influenced to some unknown degree. I won't deny this. I'm working hard at unraveling all their shit though it might take me a lifetime.
#2 McDonalds doesn't even sell food, according to their commercials. I think they are either a hiphop night club, or possibly an amusement park. I hope they continue to lose money.
#3 I like blonde swimsuit models as much as the next guy. I probably see as many beer commercials as anyone else. I still don't drink, never even had a beer in my life. Their money is wasted on me. Tell me how I'm stealing again, if Tivo zips through those commercials?
Actually, I only pulled out the most glaringly obvious examples. They're good ones, on american television, ford/chevy/chrysler ads are at least 60% . Maybe more. Might buy a Kia, or even Deawoo, maybe even something lesser known, supposing I ever have enough money to buy a new car someday.
Go ahead though, pick apart every example I give, and miss the entire point.
If I block ads, it's also true that if I didn't, I still wouldn't buy their lameass products. Me watching their brain-torturous manipulative garbage will never, ever convert to a sale.
So, let me turn off adblock, so I can watch them still wither into nothingness. I'm no longer a free-rider, they just bought something with their advertising that wasn't ever going to pay off, my eyeballs.
Some advice, I may one day buy a new car, Ford/Chevy/etc. I may not. Either way, it's totally uninfluenced by your billions of dollars a year in ad money. Keep that money, and buy something with it. More R&D, lower prices, hell, have the biggest hooker and booze party on planet earth, it matters not. This goes for people who sell laundry detergent, fast food, and video games.
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Considering that it does atmospheric flight, that wouldn't be such a ridiculous gripe, now would it?
But no, the engine that they had trouble with, that was laughable.
That humor/wit is pretty anemic. And when I want that sort of thing, I'll watch a comedy.
The no sound in space thing is a nice touch, but totally ruined by a ship that doesn't even look spaceworthy for interplanetary flight.
The entire first season built the story. Without it, the following seasons have no foundation, they wouldn't work.
The episode I'm thinking of revolves around Garibaldi investigating a missing station worker, only to discover there is a hidden floor between decks 16 and 17, the elevator just doesn't stop on it normally. There is a weird death cult living on the floor, complete with monster that is man in a bad rubber suit. It is cheesy, completely out of character, and in no way is related to any of the others. If I remember correctly, even the other subplots were only unessential developments of the story arc.
It was like a bad SNL skit about b5, to be quite honest.
SG1 is a special case. Having seen the movie first, was impossible to think that it could be a decent show... how many other movies-turned-syndicated shows have been awful?
And the first season is pretty bad, to be honest. Every third episode of later seasons is goofy (though not necessarily bad). They seem to do another third that are formula scifi (the time loop one is straight out of star trek and who knows where else... but seeing Teal'c and O'Neil whacking golf balls through the stargate made up for it).
Generally, the details are good. It can be a likable show, and it's not so far off. I can't imagine the military having the damn thing, and not making some progress over a period of years... though I wonder if a starship could be built so quickly. And they tend not to rely on deus ex machina nearly as much as some other shows.
I promise not to troll. I've seen exactly one episode in its entirety, the one they play backwards with the captain being shot. I've seen bits and pieces of maybe another 2 episodes.
From what I've seen, I wasn't impressed at all, not even a little. Maybe It was the worst of the entire series, short lived as it was. I'll even admit there is 1 B5 episode out there, that if it was the first I had seen, well, it would have been the last.
That said, this marketing campaign doesn't seem all that great. I'm assuming that those of you that have loved the show (and I know you're out there, I once went from 2 to -1, Troll in 30 some seconds on a Firefly story) will go see it no matter what. Marketing exists for people like me. I like science fiction, but need some encouragement to want to see this movie.
Anyone care to try explaining to me what's so great about it, without sounding like you just converted to a cult 2 weeks ago?
The Gibson script would have been awesome because it was Aliens with more/bigger guns. But that it set it up for #4 to be what it would be, that's what put it over the top.
Ripley arrives home to earth, wakes up to find the planet one giant hive of them? And Newt's still alive to rescue. I'm not sure how it would even end up, but it would have been the best of them all (which is saying something, considering how good both #1 and #2 ended up being, and how likely a Gibson #3 would have been).
In 20 years, I can tell my personal AI to re-render it complete with authentic 1986 Michael Biehn/Sigourney Weaver/Lance Henriksen...
Shit, I'll be able to do a proper Keaton Batman sequel too. God, but the future looks bright for movies...
Bah, William Gibson actually. Was thinking of the novelizations...
That Alien #3 was supposed to have been a much superior movie? I even read the script to it, someone once posted a link to it here on slashdot. Alan Dean Foster, of all people, wrote it. It was pretty good, I could see what it would have been...
Oh, and the setup it would have left for #4 would have been awe-inspiring. Leave it to hollywood to fuck up unfuckupable trilogies...
I hate to call FUD, but something is wrong here. Even if I stole 1000 numbers, had all the other information I needed to go with them, at most, 50 of those will turn out to be eligible, and maybe not for the full $400. You have to file every single week of those 26 weeks. Then you have to convert a check with someone else's name on it... and it's been forever since I've been able to cash even a payroll check anywhere without an account. Hell, even the grocery stores that used to do it won't anymore.
100 checks, would require 100 visits to unemployment offices, there are maybe a dozen in my city, that means at least 8 people visiting. Lots of potential for someone to notice a familiar face.
I just don't see how this happens.
You must be disagreeing with most of the legislators in the US, then. Many of them are lawyers, the rest are advised by lawyers. When copyright infringement was made criminal, you didn't hear about anyone crying that "there were already laws for theft on the books, why make it more complicated?". Why? Because trying to use existing laws would have been laughed out of court. No one is arguing that it's not legal, and I'm not arguing (at least right now) that it's not immoral. I just pointed out why it wasn't theft in the legal sense of the word.
If I'm ever charged with this, I hope you are the prosecutor, it will be an easy dismissal.
Hells yeh, cheap DVDs *and* malaysian language covers, tracks... this just keeps getting better and better.
Wrong. Mens Rea is the intent to deprive him of the IP, which is impossible, he still has his copy. That's why copyright infringement requires its own criminal laws. But don't worry, big business bought those laws.
Wouldn't care to argue Actus Reus though, that's certainly debatable.
It figures that no one knows much about ole' TJ anymore. Somehow, I get the impression he might actually approve of magical candles that can be used by 1 million people simultaneously. I'm sure candlemakers would have been unhappy, but most as a whole would have looked at it as if it were a boon. Not every village had its own chandler, after all. And those that do, it would no longer be the most efficient way to light up the night.
It's propaganda the second they edit out all the people pulled over who are found to have no drugs. Or did you think the police on Cops were all psychic, and had 1 bust after another, never a miss? They'll never show the old hick guy that was pulled over, starts arguing, gets into it, and when they do the search 3 hours later as he's crying, they find absolutely nothing, and they finally let him go... but not after lecturing him anyway, the final insult. Ever see that one? There have to be a few. Maybe he was going to 7-11 to buy beer, or maybe he was on his way to the one job interview he's managed to get in the entire last 6 months. No way to know, even if they didn't edit those out.
Why are you running away from a cop?
Maybe you are Amadou Diallo's neighbor, and you witnessed him being shot up 41 times by men not in uniform that failed to adequately identify themselves as police officers, even as the guy was pulling out his wallet to offer it to the "muggers". Most cops are not that big of a lowlife, but if all or most of your experiences with them have been as half as bad as my example, it might be a good idea to run if you have even a slight chance of making it.
Don't be such a pussy, making judgements isn't wrong. Even if you do think it is wrong, I submit people have been using the wrong word. They should be worrying about "condemning" others, not judging them. Of course, using the correct word might fuck up their entire agenda, but I'll the identification of that agenda as an exercise for the reader...
So, you're one of the fucks I wouldn't mind murdering, supposing I could get away with it. Go to hell.
Absent another example, where they don't advertise, it's impossible to know whether it works or not. They might stop tomorrow, and continue to sell cars. If that were the case, maybe its not working.
Supposing it does work though, then the mechanism does bother you, does it not? I mean, extortion and hostage-taking work too. Suppose they send out thugs that threaten to rape your wife and dog, and murder the kids unless you buy a new Chevy Suburban... that'd work, wouldn't it? Some idiot would try to call the bluff, but out of thousands, more would concede than not. Hell, I bet it works better than advertising. Why not do that?
Ah, so it does work, and they are illegally and unethically brainwashing me. Taking that into consideration, how much damage can I do them for the longest period of time while either remaining uncaught, or using borderline legal tactics? And what methods would I use to do this damage?
Bah, don't answer that. I'm still working on a project to steal as much long distance revenue away from phone companies as is possible. I can only fight one war at a time.
I'm feeling charitable though. Here's what came to mind.
FORD Overpriced piece of shit made by lazy union workers, with too much emphasis on their higher-margin SUVs.
CHEVY Overpriced piece of shit made by lazy union workers, with too much emphasis on their higher-margin SUVs.
MERCEDES Overpriced piece of german shit made by lazy europeans primarily sold as a status symbol to the upper middle class who've never worked a day in their lives.
ASTON-MARTIN Overpriced piece of british shit primarily sold as a status symbol to the rich upper class so they can get pussy.
I'm sorry then, I didn't realize you'd be so fucking picky. Advertising or not, I have right here at my fingertips, the tools that will A) let me know every car manufacturer still in existence here on planet earth B) those that are accessible to me in any reasonable way and C) more than I'd ever want to know about each and every single fucking model I might ever consider, supposing I win the lottery and can afford one.
Keeping all this in mind, and also considering that it was a semi-sarcastic example anyway since I'm not, nor likely ever will be, in the market for a new car, you might want to consider that yes, in particular, of all the advertising I think ridiculous, automobile advertising is both particularly worthless and particularly obnoxious.
Advertising used to be a company that can't make something I'd ever want, trying to sell it to me anyway. Now it's companies that I might buy from anyway, but they're retarded and think they have to compete, so they'll advertise anyway. Maybe they decide they need 15% annual growth even in a mature market, or some psycholo-quacktologist has them believing they have a new subliminal technique. Besides, more to the topic, if the free web dies, we'll just pirate that too. Fuck them.
Or possibly, I just didn't want to post a list of the world's top 250 automakers. Want me to? It's like a google search away....
Or it could be that I drive the interstate every day, seeing thousands (literally) of their suckass ugly SUVs. Or that I grew up going to school, and learning about Ford in history class. The fucking unabomber himself couldn't have hid from the things very easily, up in his mountain shack. If you're going to pull out this stale, tired argument, then please please please pick another product where the average person could possible not know what they are.
Oh wait, those products are generally so cool, that we see articles about them even here on slashdot, talking about how they defy all known business models with their word-of-mouth campaigns.
#1 I've undoubtedly been influenced to some unknown degree. I won't deny this. I'm working hard at unraveling all their shit though it might take me a lifetime.
#2 McDonalds doesn't even sell food, according to their commercials. I think they are either a hiphop night club, or possibly an amusement park. I hope they continue to lose money.
#3 I like blonde swimsuit models as much as the next guy. I probably see as many beer commercials as anyone else. I still don't drink, never even had a beer in my life. Their money is wasted on me. Tell me how I'm stealing again, if Tivo zips through those commercials?
Actually, I only pulled out the most glaringly obvious examples. They're good ones, on american television, ford/chevy/chrysler ads are at least 60% . Maybe more. Might buy a Kia, or even Deawoo, maybe even something lesser known, supposing I ever have enough money to buy a new car someday.
Go ahead though, pick apart every example I give, and miss the entire point.
If I block ads, it's also true that if I didn't, I still wouldn't buy their lameass products. Me watching their brain-torturous manipulative garbage will never, ever convert to a sale.
So, let me turn off adblock, so I can watch them still wither into nothingness. I'm no longer a free-rider, they just bought something with their advertising that wasn't ever going to pay off, my eyeballs.
Some advice, I may one day buy a new car, Ford/Chevy/etc. I may not. Either way, it's totally uninfluenced by your billions of dollars a year in ad money. Keep that money, and buy something with it. More R&D, lower prices, hell, have the biggest hooker and booze party on planet earth, it matters not. This goes for people who sell laundry detergent, fast food, and video games.