Of course the elite would not accept this. They'll live in palaces. Duh.
This is for the neo-serf.
The media, government, and corporations are up to something, but you've got this all backwards. They want this. They can't publically want this, or want it too much, so expect them to downplay it a bit. But if say, for instance, some uber-rich european banker wants to have all of us literally living in cardboard boxes, while he swims in vaults full of gold that have more money than any orthodox economist would admit exists in the total economy of planet earth, well, who are corporations or government bureaucrats to say otherwise?
Yes, we're pack animals. That's no longer ideal, they want soul-less little robots, with just enough of a shred of dignity to still be humiliated by what they've been turned into. Why do you think a wife at home with children is the exception, and not the rule anymore? So, yes, you can live in one of these, if you like, the wife will be gone in 5 years anyway.
Besides, you sound ambitious enough, maybe clever enough, that you can secure a minor position in the Inner Party. I mean, you seem to want to get rid of our "hard-wired social status competition" personalities...
Yes. I never stopped to think that there might be differences in our DNA. Trees use what, 9 base pairs, only one in common with us? And those ribosome-like organelles? I mean, WTF, silicon-based!
So, in short, no, I don't get your drift. I don't insist that you have a Phd, but at least understand biology at the level of informed layperson, k?
You're reading the wrong book. Read Greg Bear's Vitals instead, it explains how the global bacterial mind has decided to shorten our lifespan, because it is so "bitterly dissappointed in humanity".
Remember, drink only carbonated or alcoholic beverages from bottles you've unsealed yourself.
Let's see: The IP behind nanobots will be owned by some megacorp. They'll only sell crippled nanobots to you and me. And any single thing that a homeless person like me would want to have the nanottech fabricate will be copyrighted. Yeh, that will work.
We lose industries because people in power manipulate their incredibly vast wealth to import products from other countries. We produce less and less each year. Even if in theory it could benefit society (assuming we were actually producing more), they have the means and intention of making it benefit *them*, and not society as a whole.
With the exception of M$, most companies in business today make their money on support, not software licenses. For those companies, open source only changes a minor detail. No Fortune 500 company would say "gee, OS/400 is now opensource, we don't need IBM anymore". Moreso, opensource makes customization a concievable option even for small businesses... thereby opening up even more opportunity for people and companies to sell support. Practically all fud to the contrary traces back to a single, Redmond-based corporation, and it ain't Nintendo eithter.
Capitalism isn't magical. There is no fundamental law of the universe that states that because we lose one industry, that there will always be another replacement industry.
Water continues to lose volume the colder it gets... well, until it freezes, and then its volume increases. At some point, the old rules will no longer work, and then we will be in a world of hurt. And even if we aren't there yet, shouldn't it worry you just a little bit that we will be just one step closer?
I'm willing to bet money, that while they would consider it, they'd never go for it. They're not retarded either, and that old Atari 2600 cartridge might still be valuable as a ps2 compilation disc, and so forth.
You'd have to sweeten things so much, that they'd dump billions of dollars of burden back on middle class income tax, just to persuade them.
That would be a social solution. Since corporations have the option of donating it to the public domain, but their army of satanically-trained flesh-eating lawyer-accountant hybrids forbid it, how would creating some bureaucratic institution serve to fix the problem?
Try to host a website that hosts software for the original Apple II* or TRS-80**. You might make it as long as 18 months before getting your C&D, but you will get it.
* Apple itself is fairly enlightened about their own software for vintage computers, but much of the third party stuff has been bought and sold over the years, and it's anybody's guess who even owns the copyrights. That doesn't stop them from claiming it, however
** Alot of the TRS-80 was in-house Tandy, does anyone actually know what their policy is?
Anyone that wants to make more than $35,000 a year, I suppose. If your wife wants to work, that's enough to get by on. But, if she wants to stay home with the children (or even if you want to), that could be a rather tight budget.
That would only depress wages in the nursing field, not to mention lower the quality of nursing care, which itself makes up the bulk of medical care.
We'd end up turning LPN and RN degrees into nursing aides (also called CNA, computer geeks, don't confuse that with certified novell admins). I don't even care to speculate how that would influence other areas of the medical industry, I'd sound like a paranoid freak.
In all seriousness though, I've been on your side of the argument more times than I want to count. Here are some of their allegedly serious answers.
A) Space tourism. B) Biotechnology. C) Marketing. D) Robotics.***
The first, even assuming engineering miracles (and if anyone can give us those, it's probably Rutan), it can't amount to more than a handful of US jobs. Most launches will be equatorial, meaning any ground crew will be somewhere else. That's even assuming an SS1 style spaceship requires that sort of launch and infrastructure. So, assume that there are dozens of orbital hotels, and hundreds of spaceships. That's what, 1000 piloting jobs? How many out of work airline pilots are there? Won't they absorb all these jobs? Assume you need three times as many flight attendants, that's 3000 more jobs. Let's quadruple my numbers just for the hell of it. 16,000 jobs created. Let's double it again, just to take into account "orbital hotel staff". 32,000 jobs, to replace the millions we lost. So, pipe in about how any single industry like this creates all kinds of tangential jobs... for instance, someone has to *build* the spaceships. Now, where are you going to manufacture those? In the US, or in Malaysia? Eh?
The second, biotechnology, is even worse. Production is automated, or farmed out to third world countries. Research and development is only for those with master's degrees and up, and limited to several thousand the world over.
The third, marketing, may be a subtle joke, but it was included with several other, more obviously serious replies. How we're all supposed to become experts at selling stuff to each other, when no one has the money to buy anything because they're out of work? To convince all these companies to increase marketing, they'd need some indication that it would increase sales... the last thing that will happen in our economy.
And the last, well, if you can't figure out why that is dumb, don't bother replying to the thread.
*** Yes, I couldn't believe it either, but if you're truly interested, I'll dig up the URL to the thread and you can judge yourself if it was sarcastic or not.
On a much smaller project, I was supposed to do a minor softare upgrade on 95/98 machines in a single school system. By the time the first lab was finished, it was obvious that I had ruined the computers for the most part. I did not continue, I called up the project manager, stupid bitch that she was, and pleaded the case that I simply couldn't continue.
Of course, I waws removed from the project, which at the time amounted to going back on unemployment. Some day, I'll learn to ignore my conscience.
I can see your point of view, and while it's true for a great many services and products, does it really apply to ubiquitous wifi network access?
I mean, it doesn't apply to roads, most people (though not some libertarians) agree that we should all be taxed as fairly as possible, and that the state and local governments should take care of building and maintaining roads. Roads can't be the only thing that should fall into that category, so it's only a matter of where the line is drawn.
Yeh. So if you buy one of those, would you go to the trouble of arguing with the asshat clerk just to return it, or might you download the cd key? Bad idea or not, I can understand the thinking that is behind the latter choice... at least the hacker that writes that keygen isn't part of some massive system designed to wring every last dollar out of your wallet, and at the same time treat a paying customer like a criminal...
You mean like you happened to buy the box off the shelf that someone else had already returned, and the legit key is locked out?
Best Buy is a hotbed of reshelved boxes. I don't know if this is the case for HL2, but it's been true for other games in the past, in my own experience and that of friends.
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Of course the elite would not accept this. They'll live in palaces. Duh.
This is for the neo-serf.
The media, government, and corporations are up to something, but you've got this all backwards. They want this. They can't publically want this, or want it too much, so expect them to downplay it a bit. But if say, for instance, some uber-rich european banker wants to have all of us literally living in cardboard boxes, while he swims in vaults full of gold that have more money than any orthodox economist would admit exists in the total economy of planet earth, well, who are corporations or government bureaucrats to say otherwise?
Yes, we're pack animals. That's no longer ideal, they want soul-less little robots, with just enough of a shred of dignity to still be humiliated by what they've been turned into. Why do you think a wife at home with children is the exception, and not the rule anymore? So, yes, you can live in one of these, if you like, the wife will be gone in 5 years anyway.
Besides, you sound ambitious enough, maybe clever enough, that you can secure a minor position in the Inner Party. I mean, you seem to want to get rid of our "hard-wired social status competition" personalities...
Yes. I never stopped to think that there might be differences in our DNA. Trees use what, 9 base pairs, only one in common with us? And those ribosome-like organelles? I mean, WTF, silicon-based!
So, in short, no, I don't get your drift. I don't insist that you have a Phd, but at least understand biology at the level of informed layperson, k?
Then how come there are trees that are every bit of thousands of years old?
How can a Galapagos tortoise be 200 years old?
I think there is enough error correction to protect a person from just about everything except the worst radiation poisoning.
Then again, the guy you were talking to, is very likely still a nutjob.
You're reading the wrong book. Read Greg Bear's Vitals instead, it explains how the global bacterial mind has decided to shorten our lifespan, because it is so "bitterly dissappointed in humanity".
Remember, drink only carbonated or alcoholic beverages from bottles you've unsealed yourself.
Yeh, that's it!
Let's see: The IP behind nanobots will be owned by some megacorp. They'll only sell crippled nanobots to you and me. And any single thing that a homeless person like me would want to have the nanottech fabricate will be copyrighted. Yeh, that will work.
We lose industries because people in power manipulate their incredibly vast wealth to import products from other countries. We produce less and less each year. Even if in theory it could benefit society (assuming we were actually producing more), they have the means and intention of making it benefit *them*, and not society as a whole.
With the exception of M$, most companies in business today make their money on support, not software licenses. For those companies, open source only changes a minor detail. No Fortune 500 company would say "gee, OS/400 is now opensource, we don't need IBM anymore". Moreso, opensource makes customization a concievable option even for small businesses... thereby opening up even more opportunity for people and companies to sell support. Practically all fud to the contrary traces back to a single, Redmond-based corporation, and it ain't Nintendo eithter.
Yes, it frees them up, like to starve in gutters.
Capitalism isn't magical. There is no fundamental law of the universe that states that because we lose one industry, that there will always be another replacement industry.
Water continues to lose volume the colder it gets... well, until it freezes, and then its volume increases. At some point, the old rules will no longer work, and then we will be in a world of hurt. And even if we aren't there yet, shouldn't it worry you just a little bit that we will be just one step closer?
I'm willing to bet money, that while they would consider it, they'd never go for it. They're not retarded either, and that old Atari 2600 cartridge might still be valuable as a ps2 compilation disc, and so forth.
You'd have to sweeten things so much, that they'd dump billions of dollars of burden back on middle class income tax, just to persuade them.
That would be a social solution. Since corporations have the option of donating it to the public domain, but their army of satanically-trained flesh-eating lawyer-accountant hybrids forbid it, how would creating some bureaucratic institution serve to fix the problem?
Try to host a website that hosts software for the original Apple II* or TRS-80**. You might make it as long as 18 months before getting your C&D, but you will get it.
* Apple itself is fairly enlightened about their own software for vintage computers, but much of the third party stuff has been bought and sold over the years, and it's anybody's guess who even owns the copyrights. That doesn't stop them from claiming it, however
** Alot of the TRS-80 was in-house Tandy, does anyone actually know what their policy is?
And if not there, then in congress.
But somewhere deep down in my brain, I know that there are no political solutions. We should just find a technical solution, and be done with it.
What was your old sig, and do you need me to kick his ass?
Count yourself lucky.
Anyone that wants to make more than $35,000 a year, I suppose. If your wife wants to work, that's enough to get by on. But, if she wants to stay home with the children (or even if you want to), that could be a rather tight budget.
Hey, openvpn is cool. I prefer that myself.
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Would you be willing to email me? I have something I'd like to talk about, and you don't seem to have any contact info up on
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That would only depress wages in the nursing field, not to mention lower the quality of nursing care, which itself makes up the bulk of medical care.
We'd end up turning LPN and RN degrees into nursing aides (also called CNA, computer geeks, don't confuse that with certified novell admins). I don't even care to speculate how that would influence other areas of the medical industry, I'd sound like a paranoid freak.
It's a combination of several, actually.
1) Day-trading.
2) Law.
In all seriousness though, I've been on your side of the argument more times than I want to count. Here are some of their allegedly serious answers.
A) Space tourism.
B) Biotechnology.
C) Marketing.
D) Robotics.***
The first, even assuming engineering miracles (and if anyone can give us those, it's probably Rutan), it can't amount to more than a handful of US jobs. Most launches will be equatorial, meaning any ground crew will be somewhere else. That's even assuming an SS1 style spaceship requires that sort of launch and infrastructure. So, assume that there are dozens of orbital hotels, and hundreds of spaceships. That's what, 1000 piloting jobs? How many out of work airline pilots are there? Won't they absorb all these jobs? Assume you need three times as many flight attendants, that's 3000 more jobs. Let's quadruple my numbers just for the hell of it. 16,000 jobs created. Let's double it again, just to take into account "orbital hotel staff". 32,000 jobs, to replace the millions we lost. So, pipe in about how any single industry like this creates all kinds of tangential jobs... for instance, someone has to *build* the spaceships. Now, where are you going to manufacture those? In the US, or in Malaysia? Eh?
The second, biotechnology, is even worse. Production is automated, or farmed out to third world countries. Research and development is only for those with master's degrees and up, and limited to several thousand the world over.
The third, marketing, may be a subtle joke, but it was included with several other, more obviously serious replies. How we're all supposed to become experts at selling stuff to each other, when no one has the money to buy anything because they're out of work? To convince all these companies to increase marketing, they'd need some indication that it would increase sales... the last thing that will happen in our economy.
And the last, well, if you can't figure out why that is dumb, don't bother replying to the thread.
*** Yes, I couldn't believe it either, but if you're truly interested, I'll dig up the URL to the thread and you can judge yourself if it was sarcastic or not.
You just don't give up, you fool. We're supposed to be transitioning to a new industry now. Keep with the times.
On a much smaller project, I was supposed to do a minor softare upgrade on 95/98 machines in a single school system. By the time the first lab was finished, it was obvious that I had ruined the computers for the most part. I did not continue, I called up the project manager, stupid bitch that she was, and pleaded the case that I simply couldn't continue.
Of course, I waws removed from the project, which at the time amounted to going back on unemployment. Some day, I'll learn to ignore my conscience.
I can see your point of view, and while it's true for a great many services and products, does it really apply to ubiquitous wifi network access?
I mean, it doesn't apply to roads, most people (though not some libertarians) agree that we should all be taxed as fairly as possible, and that the state and local governments should take care of building and maintaining roads. Roads can't be the only thing that should fall into that category, so it's only a matter of where the line is drawn.
Which is why I didn't claim that one. Even so, the US had an extensive phone network as early as any other nation I'm aware of.
That the criteria for whether or not to do wifi, would be:
"does this help the residents of the state recieve a service they desire, without asking too much of them in tax".
Instead of:
"does this hurt a crappy regional monopoly wring more cash from customer's wallet, or does it hurt that holy quest for profit".
Then again, I'm not a politician.
I have mod points. Shame you posted this to an article I've already posted to...
Yeh. So if you buy one of those, would you go to the trouble of arguing with the asshat clerk just to return it, or might you download the cd key? Bad idea or not, I can understand the thinking that is behind the latter choice... at least the hacker that writes that keygen isn't part of some massive system designed to wring every last dollar out of your wallet, and at the same time treat a paying customer like a criminal...
You mean like you happened to buy the box off the shelf that someone else had already returned, and the legit key is locked out?
Best Buy is a hotbed of reshelved boxes. I don't know if this is the case for HL2, but it's been true for other games in the past, in my own experience and that of friends.