I totaly agree, I have had ringers come in to what was a friendly game, and everyone quit. If they where cheeting or just better I do not know nor care. Regular players have good days or bad, worlds they like and don't. Systematic and regular domination does not happen.
Quake for me is a community of regular players with their own style and failings.
I do not think a cheater would be wellcome, and probably very easy to pick out.
There is more to X then the Xserver... XI seems to of forgot this I think, most people who use XI, JUST use there server... nothing else. Kinda foolish add I think.
Seems to me Gardner is talking about the DESKTOP Not the server side... *shrug* The Desktop is Linux's future, but not for a little while. (I use Linux on the desktop) HP and SUN were talking about Server the side, that's there bread a butter, of course they will say it's not ready. Nothing new here.
Wrong.:) try sniffing a switched network. heheh would not get you very far. Hmm how about a firewall too? Umm you forget that I might not be using anonymous ftp.. What do you think that all admins are stupid?
Umm... no you can't. Where am I getting my.debs from? Good luck finding out.... Gee did you know that spoofing a debian package tree might be difficult?
I posted this originaly on their forum but it should work here too.
Look I am rather upset with this continued premise that "Redhat is Linux". It is not. I use Debian, it works well and is generally more secure then RedHat.
On http://www.hackpcweek.com/learned.html You state
"During these tests many people have criticized us for not applying the twenty-one security patches that currently exist for Red Hat 6.0. However, their omission serves to illustrate our point. We only installed shipping software available from the vendors for this test (other than the applications of course). No hot fixes were applied to the NT server. We did however install service pack five. This was much easier because it was a single file."
Using Debian and deselect (deselect is the standard package manipulation tool) getting security updates is EASIER than getting and installing a Service Pack, Hell you dont even have to reboot. This still would of not of fixed the CGI exploit, it just would of made it that much harder to be rooted. Remember Red Hat is NOT Linux.
http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/1999/09/
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How many developers will SGI bring to the table? One? or thirty? That will realy show me, SGI has less resorces then ever before. How much are they going to invest in the future? they have allready paid for XFS. What will they do? just maintain the code and stand back? Or will the actively develop on all of the Linux Kernel? or just part? That will truly show the heart of SGI.
Tried one like it when I worked for another company that made HMD's (The defunct Virtual IO) I was not impressed, resolution is the key. When they can do 800 x 600 without fancy double scaning or other faux resolution enhancements, I might be interested. Head tracking is important and the Sony does not seem to have any.
"respectable" Respectable is too subjective, I would think that the only difference between CDC members and me is; my thin veneer of ass kissing. (No I don't crack, but my open source idealogy is in quiet contrast to the Luddite mentality of my employer.)
"Back Orifice 2000 is a tremendously useful tool for any administrator."
Agreed, I admin about 100 NT worksations, this could be a great tool.
"The Cult of the Dead Cow isn't just about scaring people into wanting real security. We want computers to be fully under the command of the people who use them, not the vendors who sell them."
I tire of Closed Software trying to take control away, instead of enabling me. Why is closed software always aimed at the lowest common denominator?
Look, go take a look at the most recent crack on ISS it's through port 80 alowing your to run ANY command AS administrator, it's not fixed yet. MS has not released a patch, there is a work around sort of but not realy. Who needs telnet?
I don't use Redhat's distro, NONE of my servers are Redhat, I use Debian, but I will NOT bash redhat for three very simple reasons.
Alan Cox David Miller Stephen Tweedie
They Make LINUX better every Day and Every way, I as a Linux USER benefit directly from their work. If they thought that Red Hat was Evil in any way, these people wold not WORK for Redhat. Redhat is a company, even great company's make mistakes, or do things that I do not agree with.
Oh and one other thing, Redhat has contributed SOURCE over and over again, how many people can claim that? As a Debian user I use software that redhat helped develop, it makes my system MORE secure and easier to use, the software? PAM. This is just another example, of Redhat ability to produce source that I use every day and benefit.
I pay a flat fee for a aloted amount of megabytes, plus if my company uses over a certain limit, a additional fee is charged, I (we) allways get T1 connectivity it's kinda neat. I just have to keep close tabs on would be warez'ers.
This seems to be pretty fair review, certainly do not seem to be in Micro~ pocket. There testing also seamed more real world, I want to see Gigabit damn it, I use it, It's a much better solution then 4 100Mbit cards.
Admining is complicated I have not seen any admin. worth two bits, that did not use command line, NT included, Unless you are admining 5 boxes under a rock in Mongolia.
Admin. issues are admin. issues are admin. issues.
Most of the time people don't really talk about, what it takes to be a real administrator; I spend my day dealing with software, infrastructure, servers, purchasing, short, mid and long term planning, If you where truly a "NT admin. dimwit" you will be unable to do the other jobs effectively and do a miss service to your company in general.
Why do people think that a under trained admin. would benefit a company? I don't really know. It happens continuously, I fear it, it can bring down a whole department. As a side note; let me tell you about my last experience hiring someone, I interview 25 people, most were clue less, all had experience with NT. When I chose; all of the other related Managers disagreed with my choice the thought he would be expensive, he would be bored, on and on.
The point was he had a Degree in Computer science, they thought that some how that was unnecessary, that his job (and mine) did not need a four year degree. They were wrong, and asked in hindsight they have agreed they where wrong. It was if they were crows with there eyes filled with the shinny microsoft bangle, there ears ringing 'nevermore' 'nevermore will I have to get and pay for truly qualified staff.'
I think we should track tide7.microsoft connections; I realize it would not be hard to get around. But I am starting to think there is a bit of astroturf going on.
>Nothing new from what existed 20 years ago (well, >actually Unix is older than that...)
And the problem with that is?
>Lots of special effects, but no real content >(show me something that Linux can do that other >OS's can't)
He he, easy one; Linux does it all at the same time.
>Can't hold up on it's own (you still need to dual >boot to nt or 95 to run your real software, or >get any work done,
Like what? I run it 24/7 at work, doing real work. The only games I play are chess and quakeII, what else is there?
There is no other OS on my harddrive.
Sounds like this is a troll to me; bet your reversed IP would show tide7.microsoft.com I rather hope that it's true; because if not your a moron.
Linus's post on subject.
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As some people have already noticed, I yesterday released 2.2.8, and in the same breath made a 2.3.x release tree (where 2.3.0 is exactly the same as 2.2.8 except the numbers have changed - making it easier to synchronize the two in the beginning).
Most of 2.2.8 by far is just architecture updates: arm, ppc and m68k stand out as having been pretty much synchronized to their respective devel trees, but there are some fixes to alpha and x86 too.
The one major fix in 2.2.8 is the SMP fix for disable_irq(), courtesy of Andrea Arcangeli (I disagreed in details and did it differently in the end, but all the heavy lifting was done by Andrea). This is the thing that caused silenth deaths for some people with certain network adapters (3c509 and 8390-based cards in particular: the latter covers ne2000 clones which are fairly common).
There are lots of smaller things (driver updates, filesystem cleanups and some networking fixes), but the SMP irq thing is the one to kill for if you happened to have any of the affected cards.
As to 2.3.x, we're beginning with a long overdue waitqueue cleanup, which means that a lot of small details need to get fixed in a variety of files. A working pre-patch of this is to be found as pre-patch-2.3.1-3, but not all drivers have been fixed - and help is appreciated (even drivers that _have_ been fixed have not necessarily actually been tested due to lack of hardware).
Agreed we will lose it WILL be a hatchet job; but it beggs the question; how does NT enterprise edition a 4000.00 dollar software package only beat Linux by X% -- notice the single digit. And sense it is open source why would a sacrifice $4000.00 amd that for a single digit improvment.
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I totaly agree, I have had ringers come in to what was a friendly game, and everyone quit. If they where cheeting or just better I do not know nor care.
Regular players have good days or bad, worlds they like and don't.
Systematic and regular domination does not happen.
Quake for me is a community of regular players with their own style and failings.
I do not think a cheater would be wellcome, and probably very easy to pick out.
Thank you this fixed my problem!
I read the same email, but thought somehow it only applied to 2.3.x kernels.
There is more to X then the Xserver...
XI seems to of forgot this I think, most people who use XI, JUST use there server... nothing else.
Kinda foolish add I think.
Seems to me Gardner is talking about the DESKTOP
Not the server side... *shrug* The Desktop is Linux's future, but not for a little while.
(I use Linux on the desktop)
HP and SUN were talking about Server the side, that's there bread a butter, of course they will say it's not ready. Nothing new here.
Umm no not sense 2.2.x came out....
the-penguin:~$ free
Swap: 262136 13488 248648
No I am saying it's RedHat Linux not just Linux.
Wrong. :) try sniffing a switched network.
heheh would not get you very far.
Hmm how about a firewall too?
Umm you forget that I might not be using anonymous ftp..
What do you think that all admins are stupid?
Umm... no you can't. .debs from?
Where am I getting my
Good luck finding out.... Gee did you know that spoofing a debian package tree might be difficult?
I posted this originaly on their forum but it should work here too.
Look I am rather upset with this continued premise that "Redhat is Linux". It is not.
I use Debian, it works well and is generally more secure then RedHat.
On http://www.hackpcweek.com/learned.html
You state
"During these tests many people have criticized us for not applying the twenty-one security patches that currently exist for Red Hat 6.0. However, their omission serves to illustrate our
point. We only installed shipping software available from the vendors for this test (other than the applications of course). No hot fixes were applied to the NT server. We did however install
service pack five. This was much easier because it was a single file."
Using Debian and deselect (deselect is the standard package manipulation tool) getting security updates is EASIER than getting and installing a Service Pack, Hell you dont even have to reboot.
This still would of not of fixed the CGI exploit, it just would of made it that much harder to be rooted.
Remember Red Hat is NOT Linux.
http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/1999/09/ 03/www.polyester.net/
How many developers will SGI bring to the table? One? or thirty?
That will realy show me, SGI has less resorces then ever before.
How much are they going to invest in the future? they have allready paid for XFS.
What will they do? just maintain the code and stand back? Or will the actively develop on all of the Linux Kernel? or just part?
That will truly show the heart of SGI.
I am in Kirkland (Two miles East of Redmond) and have had NO down time do to the weather.
Tried one like it when I worked for another company that made HMD's (The defunct Virtual IO) I was not impressed, resolution is the key.
When they can do 800 x 600 without fancy double scaning or other faux resolution enhancements, I might be interested.
Head tracking is important and the Sony does not seem to have any.
"respectable"
Respectable is too subjective, I would think that the only difference between CDC members and me is; my thin veneer of ass kissing.
(No I don't crack, but my open source idealogy is in quiet contrast to the Luddite mentality of my employer.)
"Back Orifice 2000 is a tremendously useful tool for any administrator."
Agreed, I admin about 100 NT worksations, this could be a great tool.
"The Cult of the Dead Cow isn't just about scaring people into wanting real security. We want computers to be fully under the command of the people who use them, not the vendors who sell them."
I tire of Closed Software trying to take control away, instead of enabling me. Why is closed software always aimed at the lowest common denominator?
I am glad to see BO2000 and CDC is around.
/rant Slashdot stats needs to be fixed it's been broken for almost a month. /rant
Before adding more boxes fix the ones that are broken.
Look, go take a look at the most recent crack on ISS it's through port 80 alowing your to run ANY command AS administrator, it's not fixed yet. MS has not released a patch, there is a work around sort of but not realy.
Who needs telnet?
rio/palm-pilot/itsy in one.
Think about it!
It plays music.
It stores contact/calendar info.
It runs linux.
How hard can the underlining stuff be?
The UI whould be though though.
I don't use Redhat's distro, NONE of my servers are Redhat,
I use Debian, but I will NOT bash redhat for three very simple reasons.
Alan Cox
David Miller
Stephen Tweedie
They Make LINUX better every Day and Every way,
I as a Linux USER benefit directly from their work.
If they thought that Red Hat was Evil in any way, these people wold not WORK for Redhat.
Redhat is a company, even great company's make mistakes, or do things that I do not agree with.
Oh and one other thing, Redhat has contributed SOURCE over and over again, how many people can claim that?
As a Debian user I use software that redhat helped develop, it makes my system MORE secure and easier
to use, the software? PAM.
This is just another example, of Redhat ability to produce source that I use every day and benefit.
I pay a flat fee for a aloted amount of megabytes, plus if my company uses over a certain limit, a additional fee is charged, I (we) allways get T1 connectivity it's kinda neat. I just have to keep close tabs on would be warez'ers.
This seems to be pretty fair review, certainly do not seem to be in Micro~ pocket.
There testing also seamed more real world, I want to see Gigabit damn it, I use it,
It's a much better solution then 4 100Mbit cards.
Admining is complicated I have not seen any admin. worth two bits, that did not use
command line, NT included, Unless you are admining 5 boxes under a rock in Mongolia.
Admin. issues are admin. issues are admin. issues.
Most of the time people don't really talk about, what it takes to be a real administrator; I spend my
day dealing with software, infrastructure, servers, purchasing, short, mid and long term planning,
If you where truly a "NT admin. dimwit" you will be unable to do the other jobs effectively and
do a miss service to your company in general.
Why do people think that a under trained admin. would benefit a company? I don't really know.
It happens continuously, I fear it, it can bring down a whole department.
As a side note; let me tell you about my last experience hiring someone, I interview 25 people,
most were clue less, all had experience with NT. When I chose; all of the other related Managers
disagreed with my choice the thought he would be expensive, he would be bored, on and on.
The point was he had a Degree in Computer science, they thought that some how that was
unnecessary, that his job (and mine) did not need a four year degree.
They were wrong, and asked in hindsight they have agreed they where wrong. It was if they were
crows with there eyes filled with the shinny microsoft bangle, there ears ringing 'nevermore'
'nevermore will I have to get and pay for truly qualified staff.'
I think we should track tide7.microsoft connections; I realize it would not be hard to
get around.
But I am starting to think there is a bit of
astroturf going on.
>More hype than it deserves
I use it, it works, that's not hype.
>Nothing new from what existed 20 years ago (well, >actually Unix is older than that...)
And the problem with that is?
>Lots of special effects, but no real content >(show me something that Linux can do that other >OS's can't)
He he, easy one; Linux does it all at the same time.
>Can't hold up on it's own (you still need to dual >boot to nt or 95 to run your real software, or >get any work done,
Like what? I run it 24/7 at work, doing real work.
The only games I play are chess and quakeII, what else is there?
There is no other OS on my harddrive.
Sounds like this is a troll to me; bet your reversed IP would show tide7.microsoft.com
I rather hope that it's true; because if not your a moron.
As some people have already noticed, I yesterday released 2.2.8, and in
the same breath made a 2.3.x release tree (where 2.3.0 is exactly the same
as 2.2.8 except the numbers have changed - making it easier to synchronize
the two in the beginning).
Most of 2.2.8 by far is just architecture updates: arm, ppc and m68k stand
out as having been pretty much synchronized to their respective devel
trees, but there are some fixes to alpha and x86 too.
The one major fix in 2.2.8 is the SMP fix for disable_irq(), courtesy of
Andrea Arcangeli (I disagreed in details and did it differently in the
end, but all the heavy lifting was done by Andrea). This is the thing that
caused silenth deaths for some people with certain network adapters (3c509
and 8390-based cards in particular: the latter covers ne2000 clones which
are fairly common).
There are lots of smaller things (driver updates, filesystem cleanups and
some networking fixes), but the SMP irq thing is the one to kill for if
you happened to have any of the affected cards.
As to 2.3.x, we're beginning with a long overdue waitqueue cleanup, which
means that a lot of small details need to get fixed in a variety of files.
A working pre-patch of this is to be found as pre-patch-2.3.1-3, but not
all drivers have been fixed - and help is appreciated (even drivers that
_have_ been fixed have not necessarily actually been tested due to lack of
hardware).
Linus
Agreed we will lose it WILL be a hatchet job; but it beggs the question; how does NT enterprise edition a 4000.00 dollar software package only beat Linux by X% -- notice the single digit. And sense it is open source why would a sacrifice $4000.00 amd that for a single digit improvment.
The two gig limit is a x86 limit; try putting more then two gigs on a non-xenon system.
:)
Xenon's have a hack to see more then two gigs, and if you take the word of the Linux kernel hackers it's a very ugly hack.
If you want more then two gigs in linux get a Alpha, it's already 64 bit. On the HIGHER end motherboards Alpha has a much better memory subsystem.
I am not a Alpha bigot, I just play one on slashdot.