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Marc Ewing Speaks
Will in Seattle writes "Marc Ewing, Chief Technology Officer of Red Hat Software, opens up, in an interview with cNet, about Microsoft, the IPO, and more" C|Net gets Marc,
and Slashdot get's Donnie? Waaait a minute! (We love ya Donnie!)
Our interview with Donnie J Barnes (which has more meat than this interview) should be up tomorrow.
I like it because it's redundant.
I belive we have found a /tmp/artical race condtion.. now where is the exploit?
this post is better, for 2 reasons, 1, Rob posted it, and 2, the other version from Justin, his title isn't right "Red Hat Speaks", its software/company, how can it speak? Rob got his caption right!
How can a moderator have the nerve to moderate a post in *this* thread "Redundant", the whole thread is redundant!
Okay, now moderate this down because I offended you.
ya know, when I read the Dec notes files, (when spam was only something made from the body parts of political prisoners from Argentina), morons like mr polyester were just deleted. Yup, deleted. And damn quick, too. None of this democratic lowering of the score stuff. Censorship may be bad in theory, but there are times I crave to see it in practice.
at about 4:55pm EDT today, CNBC had Robert Young on. It was interesting to hear him speak so clearly about their direction WRT servers. He expertly dis'd M$, without naming them (i.e. reliability and scalability). Keep it up RHAT!
That's the textbook thing, right? I can't make myself do it. "Dance with the one who brung you." It's working well so far.
"Except that MS's stock isn't based on hype of any kind. I can be fairly sure that MSFT isn't going to lose half it's value tomorrow from some market fluctuation - they have stability."
Didn't they used to say that about IBM ?
And I havn't seen a relevent post yet! scoll scoll.
First post! Anonymous post that is
CY
if i remember correctly, BCF sells like ugly or used coats real cheap, heh
well nice that someone didnt get fucked over in the fiasco.....
As for my .02 about the article, I thaught it sucked! Very blasse, other than the comment that RH tried to hire Linus a few years ago, but that isn't surprising either.
So everybody's being anal and complaining about the fact that the article is redundant; nobody has complained about the fact that you used an apostrophe in "get's" where it doesn't belong
So in a way, I'm FIRST . Thus I qualify as a jerk in at least four ways:
You could probably add that I've ennumerated my sins but don't fix them, I'm posting as an anoymous coward, and I've made an extremely lame post far too long. Damn, I'm going to hell.
Let's see. You're this company that is reselling a product built by somebody else - who may just decide to stop doing it and go raise weasels or something. You have a vested interest in keeping the product development going, so you offer this guy a big bag o' money to keep doing what he's doing so that your comapny can continue to exist. That's not shady - that's common sense. Happily, Linus foresaw the kind of conflict of interest issues that working for a distributor could raise, and chose not to accept. A wise decision. But to claim that RedHat was attempting to "subvert" Linux is just plain unfair. After all, Alan and Dave are on the RedHat payroll, and they are hardly trying to "subvert" the kernel. Microsoft has ruined our expectations of corporate behaviour. Not all corporations behave like assholes. I trust Bob Young to continue to do The Right Thing by Linux.
I guess that's -1 to CmdrTaco's Karma for being redundant.
I got a laugh out of that. Obviously RedHat does have influence over the general publics perception of what Linux is, but C|Net could have phrased the headline of the article to be more in line with reality.
I'm of two minds with respect to the competitive focus on MS. I want to say you're right, this is stupid, concentrate on making Linux better.
Well, we've always said that the advantage of having multiple Linux distributions is that they can focus on different groups with different needs: Caldera for newbies, Debian for hardcore free software types, Slackware for the old-school, etc. Red Hat can be the distro for the "destroy Microsoft" crowd! They're certainly a decent sized segment of Linux users, they deserve a distro looking after their interests!
And of course, any ideas and developments the different distros come up with while pursuing their goals, are there for others to take advantage of, if it fits their goals to do so..
WooHoo! The cloned article has more posts than the original. Cloning just kicks ass. Even if the original probably has better posts. This one is just plain cooler.
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Ok I just noticed that Justin's article has been removed. I didn't read any of the posts there yet, but there may have been some good ones. At least better than all the joke ones in this article. So my question is: What happens to the posts of removed articles? Was it blankly removed? Did the posts get moved over to here? Or where they not much better than these post and thus could be deleted without much loss?
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Rob, I thought that you had a list of 'authors' in backslash who were currently logged in -- specifically designed to prevent this... oh, and btw, how's 0.4? (not to be expecting it anytime soon if 0.4 is gonna include this awesome moderation scheme)
da w00t. mtfnpy?
Didn't an article on the exact same subject get posted just 5 minutes ago?
http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/1999/09/ 03/www.polyester.net/
"Think of it as evolution in action."
lol, actually, this whole story nd posting is providing some much needed humor today...
I say, moderate this post UP!
That didn't take long... but he nuked the WRONG ONE!!!! :P I bet the comments were much better on the last one. Ah well.. *chuckle*
"They all did get reconfirmed. All those people who had expressed interest at 10-to-12 got confirmed at 12-to-14 and got their shares."
I didn't get reconfirmed, and as far as I could
tell from the slashdot postings, I wasn't the
only one.
It's no big deal, however I am a little
disappointed in Marc for saying this in an inter-
view when it is obvious to most of the community
that it isn't true.
Secondly, concentrating on converting MicroSofts
present or future customers, with the amount of
monies and marketing MS possess. I just can't
help but think that this is really dumb. I'm not
saying ignore MS, but with so many other potential
markets, you want to go into the one with the
stiffest competition, and the biggest player. huh?
Just my $0.00.
Awesome!
Not only is this story redundant, but it has also been done before, AND it's not unique.
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- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
- Jeff
Hmm. I'm having feelings of duplicity.
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Ponder the implications of this for a moment.
Note: I work for neither MS or RH.
- Sam Ruby
Gee, wasn't this posted before... Grin. Sorry hard to resist.
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Is /. getting so big that the authors no longer speak? Or are we witnessing the first episode in a long ugly "POSTING WAR" ;)
First we are cloning slashdot articles.. now slashdot posts. =)
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(sorry, couldn't resist it)
<waaaaay off-topic> Oh yeah, a friend sent me this NT vs. Linux link hosted by the boys at Redmond. Makes me feel ill it does
Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
Seen this before? Man! Deja Vu!
I toggled a toggle and buttoned a button, but when I got done, I was done doin' nothin'.
First a story about cloned sheep, then this interview twice... coincidence?
http://slashdot.org /article.pl?sid=99/09/07/1646246&mode=nested
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ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only
Just wondering if that still fits in your "stable" calculation?
What about the nuclear theory?
One bomb in Redmond to stop MS, you have to destroy the world to stop Linux.
(yea, this is silly but it's late, for me)
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I still think it's rather important. I mean really do you want this to be a common occurence?
+&x
And if they had sold, and bought Microsoft instead, they would have made far more ...
Except that MS's stock isn't based on hype of any kind. I can be fairly sure that MSFT isn't going to lose half it's value tomorrow from some market fluctuation - they have stability. RHAT, on the other hand, is not what I would call stable. It's still to early in the game to put much faith in their stock value... That may change, but until it does, I'd rather invest my money in the boys from Redmond.
I'm no market expert, but it's not like anyone who made their fortune on IBM stock ever went broke. IBM had stability and they still do. Of course, IBM is no longer the front-runner in the computer industry but that's a far cry from being out of the industry alltogether. I think people see IBM's wipeout with PCs as an indication of how they're doing as a company - This isn't exactly fair. PCs are certainly not they're only business.
>3) Burlington Coat Factory announced they would be using RHAT support (260 stores).
/. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.
Speaking of Slashdot interviews, couldn't someone get an interview with whoever was responsible for the Linux usage at Burlington Coat Factory.
It seems whenever the commercial viability of Linux comes up, I always here about this store. Now, I don't believe we have BCF here (though I can't really claim a clue about what coat stores there are in Stockholm), so maybe I'v missed that it is a huge store in America that really matters a lot to people, but if it isn't maybe we should calm down a little.
I mean, people are bound to notice that it comes up over and over and over and assume that they are the only bussiness to ever use Linux. `Cause, I mean, they aren't, right?
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Yeah, I'm actually surprised that it's over my $100 end of year target (and you thought I was joshing, right).
... um, do I have to sell?
Which, to a sound investor, means
Sigh.
Buy on the dips, sell on the peaks.
Will in Seattle
So, as the industry analysts drop the MSFT rating and the price drops $2, while RHAT jumps up to $124 (IPO was $14) today ... you were saying?
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Three billionaires and counting
Memo to self: sell? um, maybe. Maybe not
Will in Seattle
I'm of two minds with respect to the competitive focus on MS. I want to say you're right, this is stupid, concentrate on making Linux better.
But MS will target RedHat whether RedHat returns the favor or not. I imagine MS has been quite frustrated for some months in not having a target they really understand with Linux. Where's the company you can attack? Who do you sue? Now, there is a real commercial entity that MS can attack in all it's usual ways. I expect them to try that out, especially after that little matter with the DOJ is retired.
By making their competitive stance clear, RedHat has keyed in the media to look for FUD and strongarm tactics, should MS attempt them. To some degree it's formalizing what has been partially responsible for making it's stock strong -- the tangible anti-MS sentiment everywhere.
On the other hand, it's also invited comparison in ways it may not be ready for. Some humility at this point may be wise, it makes defeats less painful, and victories more surprising (newsworthy.) As long as RedHat doesn't get too convinced of it's own invulnerability all should be well.
Linux has always sold itself quite well, it doesn't need to be promoted as a Windows(tm)-killer. It needs to gain marketshare to the point where hardware vendors write Linux drivers and software vendors release Linux versions concurrently to Windows versions -- after that it's all cake.
he will probably delete it soon, as has happened before.
-DAVEO
It obviously means Rob has a higher pecking order than Justin, because one of the higher-uppers chose Rob's post with its myriad offtopic posts and whooped Justin's post to the Slashdot Story Hell.
People invested in IBM certainly did lose a boat load of money in IBM in the late 80's.... but, if they did not sell, and held on to their shares, they would have more than quinupled their money today.
These huge, widely diversified companies have incredible staying power.... as well as growth potential.
1) Goldman Sachs and Thomas Weisel started RHAT at a Market Outperform and Buy respectively.
2) Gateway announced they would be using RHAT's 6.0 OS for qualified ALR server platforms.
3) Burlington Coat Factory announced they would be using RHAT support (260 stores).
4) Entered into a pact with V-One, a security software maker.
5) Began a Japanese unit.
werd.
While he correctly stated Microsoft's market value as still being 100 times that of Redhat's (as a rebuttal to the upsurd price for Redhat), he did not mention anything about Microsft's sales being over a thousand times that of Redhat's.
;-)
And yes, I surely do work for Microsoft, to post such a thing!
C'mon guys! Cut the good Commander some slack! When he sees a good link, he has a duty to post it.. He can't go second guessing the other ops and mamby-pamby-ing around. The story fits the
Quit being flamebait over such a slight slip!
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Our interview with Donnie J Barnes (which has more meat than this interview)
/. interview is different than this interview?
So, the
"LWN also has notes from a brief conversation with Donnie Barnes."
Which 'this' does 'this' refer to? Help me out, here, Rob.
Oh, and (Score:0 Redundant). heehee
censorship is a form of noise, which actively seeks to drown out content with silence - Crash Culligan
and who's gonna page down this far this late anyway, but -
/., for good reason(s), whenever a RHAT story comes out. "We" (dorks) understand that, and we know it's important. But, RHAT tried to hire Linus! ...Doesn't that creep you out? Luckily, Linus seems like an all-around good guy who doesn't go for anyone's bait, so RHAT isn't Linux, but, dammit, they tried to be. They tried to buy The Man Himself. That, I think, makes RHAT look more shady (in a sort of typical not-really-frightening-but-crappy-anyhow corporate kind of way) than the (pretty g.d. silly) IPO pseudo-fiasco and RHAT's pseudo-responses to it.
Here's the thing. There's a lot of "RHAT does not equal Linux" here on
But then again, I'm not a *real* Linux guy (it won't let me do any of my work on it, yet (...waiting!)), so....
and PS: FREE DAVEO from Bad Karma! His posts don't blow.
Your mouth is like Columbus Day.
First they talked about the bubble in Internet companies and then took Red Hat as an example, and said that it rose 30$/hr yesterday. Why ? Because they got two new customers. It's quite clear that this was supposed to be a sarcastic commentary on the Internet Bubble and that the reporter haven't got the faintest what Red Hat really do. It was presented as "Red Hat, a small company that sells service & support". I guess it's true in a way though.
CmdrTaco's just tired of seeing us post redundant comments. He just wanted to know why we liked doing it so much and try it out himself....
Who moderates the meta-moderators?