I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to watch Netflix. There's a reason they mail so many DVDs.
It's become necessary because of the media size for HD video. Even using BlueRay there simply aren't enough ponies to ship all the disks to carry the content.
My experience in living in places with "bad water"(wells with ultra high mineral content) and visiting people who live in those types of places(Phoenix...) has shown me that people will either buy five gallon plastic jugs of water at the grocery store or get their drinking water delivered somehow from a "reputable source".
Of course there will also be those who invest in high end in-place water filtering systems.
Human behavior dictates that no one with the financial ability will knowingly drink recycled sewage. I see a boom market for water distributors of all flavors.
I'm not so sure. You're conflating taste with stigma. If the water tastes gross then it tastes bad every time you drink it so of course a lot of people are going to buy better tasting water.
But if it's just some stigma over the fact that the water cycle is slightly easier to track then that's something people will get over within 5 minutes of the changeover. I live in a major prairie city, I've always assumed the water was "Toilet To Tap" and the idea never bothered me in the slightest.
People still swim in the ocean afterall, and I find the stuff you dump in there to be far more disturbing.
Funny how the spying is only bad when it's done against politicians. Against the plebes, it's perfectly fine. I'm shedding so many crocodile tears for them.
I think this was a lot worse.
The public keeps the senate in line and the Senate keeps the CIA in line. When the CIA oversteps its bound the Senate is the club the public uses to knock them back in line.
When the CIA spies on the Senate they're trying to take away your club.
You at least have the option of voting out a bad Senate, how do you vote out a bad CIA?
That Asimov article, is cool, but it doesn't relate at all to what I said. I was in fact affirming science.
I think it pertains exactly.
The essence of the Asimov article is that every scientific article is wrong, but it's less wrong than what came before and is a better approximation of the truth.
The articles you post demonstrate that current models have overestimated warming in the last 20 years, which is true, but as Asimov pointed out all science is wrong to some extent. The actual results were still very right, after the massive warming of the past half century and particularly the spike of the late 90's the assumption might be a reversion to the mean in the form of a cooling. Instead the actual temperatures were still (barely) within in the range of predicted temperatures and we saw a slight warming.
Yes, I'm 100% sure that they just walked up there, plopped it down, and it didn't even *occur* to anyone at NOAA to consider the volcano thing.
Jesus fucking fuck, what the hell IS it with you people on slashdot who think that the first "insight" you have five seconds after thinking of something for the first time in your life hasn't occurred to people who do it for a living? Here's a hint: If you were *that* smart you wouldn't be talking shit on Slashdot.
Ahah! But you fail to realize I have a vague memory of a blog post validating my position!
Eventually, when we're much much older, we may start reading in the newspapers about miscarriages of justice. We realise the system is flawed. We may encounter laws or regulations that don't make much sense. We may decide that laws in other countries are unjust. But the notion that breaking the law is inherently immoral is ingrained very deep and is very hard to discard. Does English even have a word for an act which is illegal yet moral? I can't think of one. The closest is the concept of civil disobedience, but somewhere along the line that notion got linked with the idea that you have to put yourself up for arbitrary punishment as part of the "protest".
I think this isn't quite right.
You suggest obedience to seemingly unjust laws is solely due to the fact we've been conditioned to equate respect for the law with morality, but I think there's a far more pragmatic aspect to it as well. Humans are spectacularly good at rationalization, it is really easy to convince yourself that a self-serving act is moral. Therefore your default assumption should be to respect the law even when it seems wrong because you might be rationalizing an immoral behaviour.
The second part of that is your concept of what's moral may not agree with my concept of what's moral. We need a way to negotiate a common set of rules we can both agree with, this is the law.
That doesn't mean civil disobedience shouldn't be used to make a political statement, nor does it mean that laws are sometimes so bad they should be ignored, but it does mean that your default position should be to respect the law because violating it carries a very high risk of acting immorally.
I simply don't see taxi regulations as such an unjust inhibition of freedom that they can simply be disregarded.
In a few parts of the world, it might have been possible to launch something a bit like Uber without any serious changes and with a cooperative partnership with the local taxi regulators. But it seems from practical experience that this would exclude vast chunks of the worlds population. And without economies of scale, perhaps Uber wouldn't be anything like what it is. So we have a case where to make progress, technologically, the law must be broken on a massive scale. But of course if the law ceases to be respected..... where do you draw the line?
So start in those districts, show it works, and give other districts a chance to evaluate and update their laws.
What Uber is doing is ignoring the law to that if/when their practices are legalized they'll be entrenched as the dominant market player and newcomers who played by the rules will be shut out. This is why I oppose Uber in particular.
So you want to put the people underground where they'll be safe, and their source of food and fresh air (the greenhouses) where they're going to be, as you yourself say, vulnerable.
The greenhouses need to be underground as well. So does the power generation, which means a fusion plant. Good thing they're only 20 years away, just like they were 20 years ago.
You can put greenhouses above ground. Just make sure you have an underground failsafe and enough emergency reserves to make it through a disaster.
Even then it's probably not feasible. Look how expensive it is to go underground on earth, now consider how tough it will be on Mars when you're walking around in spacesuits and have to transport heavy duty excavation and construction equipment from earth.
More likely just put everything above ground and distributed. If an asteroid takes out a greenhouse or a house it's tragic, but it doesn't kill the colony.
What I want to know is why they use this shit in fracking at all. I assume it's because it makes the process more efficient -
Yes. The process of disposing of refinery wastes. The reason they don't want you to know precisely what's in their fracking fluids and where they came from is that these compounds are wastes left over from the petroleum refining process, and they are taking this opportunity to dispose of them by injecting them into our aquifers.
It's might be simpler than that.
Part of it might just be trade secrets, your ability to frack profitably is based on your ability to be more efficient than your competitors. Telling them your secret sauce makes that harder to do.
The other part is PR, when people want to criticize you it's easier for them if they have specific compounds to criticize. It doesn't matter if it's as innocuous as dihydrogen monoxide or as toxic as plutonium, if they have a specific label to attach to it they can make it sound bad.
On academic programming courses - of which I've taught on many - the grade distribution is definitely bimodal and there is a clear gap between those who can and those who can't. Of course, there is variance among those who can but the difference is largely that those who can largely get better whilst those who can't never get even get it.
There does seem to be people who are permanently clueless but I suspect you're also seeing a limitation/feature of the academic setting.
If you are in fact teaching them something then things that were difficult at the start of the course will become easy at the end, in some cases you could even take a student who finished the course one semester and have them TA the next. But when you get into industry you've filtered out everyone who can't, at that point I find a lot of the remaining variance has to do with experience and motivation.
it allows you to pre-warp some space ahead in your journey
No-one - that is to say, no-one with an ounce of scientific credibility - is claiming it's a warp drive. There's no reason to even start to consider the idea that it might be a warp drive. The article linked to by the summary with the words "some are claiming this means things like warp drive..." doesn't even mention any claims that it's a warp drive.
The Forbes article links to another article with these words:
When you come across an announcement like the one made by NASA Spaceflight a week ago: that NASA has made a successful test of the EM Drive — a propulsion engine that uses no propellant, seemingly violating one of the most fundamental laws of physics, while warping space in the process — you’d better make sure you aren’t fooling yourself.
And that linked article also doesn't even mention warp drive. Seems to me like some journalists need to calm down a little. "ZOMG! It's not a warp drive!!!" - yes, thanks, but no-one seems to saying it is.
It's a thing that appears to produce thrust by unknown means. That's all. It's very interesting, but it has nothing to do with anything that anyone would call a warp drive.
The Vulcans will be here soon, swooping in like a returning Jesus Christ to save us from ourselves at long last, show us the true path of wisdom, and help us complete the application (an on-line PDF form, no doubt) for membership in the United Federation of Planets.
And then we will all live happily ever after.
They'll step out of their spacecraft and inform us that our newly invented warp drive was invented 324,123 years ago and we cannot use it without paying the license fees of approximately 2.3 earth planets per earth year.
Otherwise we will need to wait another 14,675,877 years until it enters the public domain.
Nice spin.... how about this: Since there are so many people who do deny it, why not take a different approach that would accomplish the same thing without making Al Gore even more wealthy?
I don't see what Al Gore has to do with it.
The problem with focusing on air and water quality is CO2 only becomes a major concern in the context of climate change. You could try talking about ocean acidification which is another side effect but I don't think ignoring the elephant smashing everything in the room that is climate change is the best strategy.
She did fuck all WHILE she was a corporate executive, too.
Why does the media take people like this seriously? I think the corporate media automatically fawns over a CEO. It doesn't matter that the CEO is a failure.
She is also the postergirl for "failing upwards" and the fact that we don't have any meritocracy in this country. She doesn't deserve to be a manger at Arby's at this point, and she doesn't deserve respect. But still the Corporate media fawns.
It's not like she's running to captain a space station, it's the Republican Primary, they dream of finding someone qualified to manage an Arby's.
Speaking as someone who would really like a Republican to vote for next election, you're entirely right.
Why are we getting these asshats? It's these fools that give a free market, fiscally responsible platform a bad name.
It's the Tea Party, they destroy any candidate who isn't an ideologue. The only reason Romney survived last primary was he had a crapload of money and a huge existing profile, the only two potential candidates in that position this time are Jeb Bush and Chris Christy, any other moderate candidate will get destroyed as a RINO.
Was it fairly clear that the 12/7 post I made referred to Pearl Harbor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... a day which will live in infamy? How soon is too soon to get arrested for an anonymous post? What does that mean for free speech online, even when the local law enforcement really thought it to be a non credible threat.
Your post suggested that 12/7 could mean anything and associating it with Pearl Harbor was a stretch on the part of the reader.
By contrast the mention of a 4.16 moment to the Virginia tech community is intentional and the association obvious.
Also no one thinks that an anonymous poster is going to reproduce Pearl Harbor by carrying out an air raid on a military base. But an anonymous poster can carry out a school shooting.
It's nothing to do with being "too soon" or "free speech", it's a credible threat to carry out mass murder.
I think it's more an effect of the people we see pictures of most, celebrities, put a lot of work into appearing young, so we don't expect people in the public eye to age as quickly. Tom Cruise ages slowly because his career demands it, Barak Obama on the other hand probably looks more serious the older he looks, so there's less reason to make himself appear young.
Even compare to Jon Stewart in 2008 vs now. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference, until you realize the gallon of makeup applied to Jon Stewart's face, it's hard to appeal to GenXers and Millenials looking like you're over 50.
I'd actually be curious to see how this algorithm does with celebrity photos.
Playboy is softcore porn, and fairly tame softcore porn, but it's still porn.
If you have a problem with that, fine. You're entitled to hold an opinion. You're not entitled to have others agree with it and pretend that a head shot crop is porn or that a tastefully composed nude photograph (which doesn't even have visible genitalia and isn't even sexually suggestive) from which that crop was produced is pornography.
If I'm not entitled to have others agree then why are you? Why do we have to agree that isn't not a crop from pornographic photograph, why aren't guys and girls in that class allowed to feel weirded out by the expression and made uncomfortable when they figure out the full image?
That's great you have no problem with it, but some people do, why can't you take their concerns into account?
...not a particularly proud one since it implies the field was started by guys reading porn magazines...
Here you imply that porn and looking at porn is somehow morally wrong.
Only if you're doing so around people who don't want to be exposed to it, I think a computer vision lab qualifies.
the sexualized component is part of the statement, a certain degree of controversy, offense, or shock actually adds to the artistic value
Here you see sex and sexual themes as shocking or offensive.
So please explain how your statements about sexuality are better grounded than those coming from fundamentalist christians,jews, muslims et al.?
Cut the crap. Of course sexual imagery in art is shocking or at least provocative, that's the point, it's one of the strongest desires we have. That's the whole bloody point unless you want to look at a painting of a fruit bowl.
No. The "context" you present is irrelevant. The same twisted logic can be used to ban the Star-Spangled Banner because it was originally a drinking song. Despite your desires to cast it into the contrary, the meaning of the Lena image has changed over time and the original context is of no significance other than from a historical point of view.
I just have to disagree on that point.
As for claiming to speak on her behalf, that is what you are doing. You are deciding that there is something "not okay" with the Lena image because she is "a sexual object" which is absolute bollocks.
No I am not.
I am saying that image, even cropped, does not belong in a high school classroom because many people find it to be objectifying.
The girls are uncomfortable? Too bad. There's a lot of shit in the world that is "uncomfortable." A head shot is extremely unlikely to be one of them.
So your argument is that because the world is a shitty place there's no problem with making it a little shittier?
On top of that, you're pretending girls don't masturbate and have never willingly looked at explicit sexual imagery.
And now you're arguing with a figment of your imagination...
Perhaps if you bothered to read the comments on the WaPo article, you'd discover that multiple female alumni of the school in question who learned under female CS educators at said school came forward and strongly refuted the article's contents.
I read the comments and the closest I saw was someone mentioning knowing female alumni who hadn't complained in the past (though I could have missed as WP has a terrible commenting system). I also saw things criticizing the article for things it never said nor implied. And finally I saw multiple posts from people completely agreeing with the article.
Your outdated Puritanical views on sexuality and your attempt to pretend that teens are children rather than young adults put you squarely in the minority...and in the wrong.
Again you're ascribing views and arguments I never made. And sexually liberated girls and guys can still be offended by pornography and what they perceive as sexual objectification.
Leaving aside the fact that we are not discussing an image that is pornography nor of a nude woman - it is face and top-of-shoulders, which makes all of this irrelevant...
Even the cropped image is mildly suggestive, but the fact people will know if comes from a full nude image makes it relevant.
Your own link goes on to discuss (immediately after the section you quote!) how there is not universal agreement on what is objectifying, including pornography.
And many people who feel it's objectifying will be in that class, their wishes should be respected.
I happen to think that a woman should be allowed to express herself however she wishes
I'm in full agreement.
I also think we need to respect the people who don't want to see her picture as an assignment in a high school CS class.
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I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to watch Netflix. There's a reason they mail so many DVDs.
It's become necessary because of the media size for HD video. Even using BlueRay there simply aren't enough ponies to ship all the disks to carry the content.
My experience in living in places with "bad water"(wells with ultra high mineral content) and visiting people who live in those types of places(Phoenix...) has shown me that people will either buy five gallon plastic jugs of water at the grocery store or get their drinking water delivered somehow from a "reputable source".
Of course there will also be those who invest in high end in-place water filtering systems.
Human behavior dictates that no one with the financial ability will knowingly drink recycled sewage. I see a boom market for water distributors of all flavors.
I'm not so sure. You're conflating taste with stigma. If the water tastes gross then it tastes bad every time you drink it so of course a lot of people are going to buy better tasting water.
But if it's just some stigma over the fact that the water cycle is slightly easier to track then that's something people will get over within 5 minutes of the changeover. I live in a major prairie city, I've always assumed the water was "Toilet To Tap" and the idea never bothered me in the slightest.
People still swim in the ocean afterall, and I find the stuff you dump in there to be far more disturbing.
Funny how the spying is only bad when it's done against politicians. Against the plebes, it's perfectly fine. I'm shedding so many crocodile tears for them.
I think this was a lot worse.
The public keeps the senate in line and the Senate keeps the CIA in line. When the CIA oversteps its bound the Senate is the club the public uses to knock them back in line.
When the CIA spies on the Senate they're trying to take away your club.
You at least have the option of voting out a bad Senate, how do you vote out a bad CIA?
Human-made global warming: every sensible man should consider this a wild speculation at the moment
When you imply that a huge majority of scientists are not sensible people then it's a strong indication that your world view contains a serious flaw.
This holds irrespective of whether human-made global warming is true.
That Asimov article, is cool, but it doesn't relate at all to what I said. I was in fact affirming science.
I think it pertains exactly.
The essence of the Asimov article is that every scientific article is wrong, but it's less wrong than what came before and is a better approximation of the truth.
The articles you post demonstrate that current models have overestimated warming in the last 20 years, which is true, but as Asimov pointed out all science is wrong to some extent. The actual results were still very right, after the massive warming of the past half century and particularly the spike of the late 90's the assumption might be a reversion to the mean in the form of a cooling. Instead the actual temperatures were still (barely) within in the range of predicted temperatures and we saw a slight warming.
Multiple studies have shown that the climate models are wrong.
So will you accept science, or is the cognitive dissonance giving you problems if it disagrees with your pre-determined world view?
They were wrong.
But you are wronger
Yes, I'm 100% sure that they just walked up there, plopped it down, and it didn't even *occur* to anyone at NOAA to consider the volcano thing.
Jesus fucking fuck, what the hell IS it with you people on slashdot who think that the first "insight" you have five seconds after thinking of something for the first time in your life hasn't occurred to people who do it for a living? Here's a hint: If you were *that* smart you wouldn't be talking shit on Slashdot.
Ahah! But you fail to realize I have a vague memory of a blog post validating my position!
Eventually, when we're much much older, we may start reading in the newspapers about miscarriages of justice. We realise the system is flawed. We may encounter laws or regulations that don't make much sense. We may decide that laws in other countries are unjust. But the notion that breaking the law is inherently immoral is ingrained very deep and is very hard to discard. Does English even have a word for an act which is illegal yet moral? I can't think of one. The closest is the concept of civil disobedience, but somewhere along the line that notion got linked with the idea that you have to put yourself up for arbitrary punishment as part of the "protest".
I think this isn't quite right.
You suggest obedience to seemingly unjust laws is solely due to the fact we've been conditioned to equate respect for the law with morality, but I think there's a far more pragmatic aspect to it as well. Humans are spectacularly good at rationalization, it is really easy to convince yourself that a self-serving act is moral. Therefore your default assumption should be to respect the law even when it seems wrong because you might be rationalizing an immoral behaviour.
The second part of that is your concept of what's moral may not agree with my concept of what's moral. We need a way to negotiate a common set of rules we can both agree with, this is the law.
That doesn't mean civil disobedience shouldn't be used to make a political statement, nor does it mean that laws are sometimes so bad they should be ignored, but it does mean that your default position should be to respect the law because violating it carries a very high risk of acting immorally.
I simply don't see taxi regulations as such an unjust inhibition of freedom that they can simply be disregarded.
In a few parts of the world, it might have been possible to launch something a bit like Uber without any serious changes and with a cooperative partnership with the local taxi regulators. But it seems from practical experience that this would exclude vast chunks of the worlds population. And without economies of scale, perhaps Uber wouldn't be anything like what it is. So we have a case where to make progress, technologically, the law must be broken on a massive scale. But of course if the law ceases to be respected ..... where do you draw the line?
So start in those districts, show it works, and give other districts a chance to evaluate and update their laws.
What Uber is doing is ignoring the law to that if/when their practices are legalized they'll be entrenched as the dominant market player and newcomers who played by the rules will be shut out. This is why I oppose Uber in particular.
So you want to put the people underground where they'll be safe, and their source of food and fresh air (the greenhouses) where they're going to be, as you yourself say, vulnerable.
The greenhouses need to be underground as well. So does the power generation, which means a fusion plant. Good thing they're only 20 years away, just like they were 20 years ago.
You can put greenhouses above ground. Just make sure you have an underground failsafe and enough emergency reserves to make it through a disaster.
Even then it's probably not feasible. Look how expensive it is to go underground on earth, now consider how tough it will be on Mars when you're walking around in spacesuits and have to transport heavy duty excavation and construction equipment from earth.
More likely just put everything above ground and distributed. If an asteroid takes out a greenhouse or a house it's tragic, but it doesn't kill the colony.
Google also has more than 10 times the market cap (15 currently but probably closer to 10 when the report came out).
What I want to know is why they use this shit in fracking at all. I assume it's because it makes the process more efficient -
Yes. The process of disposing of refinery wastes. The reason they don't want you to know precisely what's in their fracking fluids and where they came from is that these compounds are wastes left over from the petroleum refining process, and they are taking this opportunity to dispose of them by injecting them into our aquifers.
It's might be simpler than that.
Part of it might just be trade secrets, your ability to frack profitably is based on your ability to be more efficient than your competitors. Telling them your secret sauce makes that harder to do.
The other part is PR, when people want to criticize you it's easier for them if they have specific compounds to criticize. It doesn't matter if it's as innocuous as dihydrogen monoxide or as toxic as plutonium, if they have a specific label to attach to it they can make it sound bad.
On academic programming courses - of which I've taught on many - the grade distribution is definitely bimodal and there is a clear gap between those who can and those who can't. Of course, there is variance among those who can but the difference is largely that those who can largely get better whilst those who can't never get even get it.
There does seem to be people who are permanently clueless but I suspect you're also seeing a limitation/feature of the academic setting.
If you are in fact teaching them something then things that were difficult at the start of the course will become easy at the end, in some cases you could even take a student who finished the course one semester and have them TA the next. But when you get into industry you've filtered out everyone who can't, at that point I find a lot of the remaining variance has to do with experience and motivation.
If I understood correctly,
You don't.
it allows you to pre-warp some space ahead in your journey
No-one - that is to say, no-one with an ounce of scientific credibility - is claiming it's a warp drive. There's no reason to even start to consider the idea that it might be a warp drive. The article linked to by the summary with the words "some are claiming this means things like warp drive..." doesn't even mention any claims that it's a warp drive.
The Forbes article links to another article with these words:
When you come across an announcement like the one made by NASA Spaceflight a week ago: that NASA has made a successful test of the EM Drive — a propulsion engine that uses no propellant, seemingly violating one of the most fundamental laws of physics, while warping space in the process — you’d better make sure you aren’t fooling yourself.
And that linked article also doesn't even mention warp drive. Seems to me like some journalists need to calm down a little. "ZOMG! It's not a warp drive!!!" - yes, thanks, but no-one seems to saying it is.
It's a thing that appears to produce thrust by unknown means. That's all. It's very interesting, but it has nothing to do with anything that anyone would call a warp drive.
/me quickly skims the comment
Awesome! NASA invented a warp drive!!!
The Vulcans will be here soon, swooping in like a returning Jesus Christ to save us from ourselves at long last, show us the true path of wisdom, and help us complete the application (an on-line PDF form, no doubt) for membership in the United Federation of Planets.
And then we will all live happily ever after.
They'll step out of their spacecraft and inform us that our newly invented warp drive was invented 324,123 years ago and we cannot use it without paying the license fees of approximately 2.3 earth planets per earth year.
Otherwise we will need to wait another 14,675,877 years until it enters the public domain.
Nice spin.... how about this: Since there are so many people who do deny it, why not take a different approach that would accomplish the same thing without making Al Gore even more wealthy?
I don't see what Al Gore has to do with it.
The problem with focusing on air and water quality is CO2 only becomes a major concern in the context of climate change. You could try talking about ocean acidification which is another side effect but I don't think ignoring the elephant smashing everything in the room that is climate change is the best strategy.
She did fuck all WHILE she was a corporate executive, too.
Why does the media take people like this seriously? I think the corporate media automatically fawns over a CEO. It doesn't matter that the CEO is a failure.
She is also the postergirl for "failing upwards" and the fact that we don't have any meritocracy in this country. She doesn't deserve to be a manger at Arby's at this point, and she doesn't deserve respect. But still the Corporate media fawns.
It's not like she's running to captain a space station, it's the Republican Primary, they dream of finding someone qualified to manage an Arby's.
Speaking as someone who would really like a Republican to vote for next election, you're entirely right.
Why are we getting these asshats? It's these fools that give a free market, fiscally responsible platform a bad name.
It's the Tea Party, they destroy any candidate who isn't an ideologue. The only reason Romney survived last primary was he had a crapload of money and a huge existing profile, the only two potential candidates in that position this time are Jeb Bush and Chris Christy, any other moderate candidate will get destroyed as a RINO.
Was it fairly clear that the 12/7 post I made referred to Pearl Harbor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... a day which will live in infamy? How soon is too soon to get arrested for an anonymous post? What does that mean for free speech online, even when the local law enforcement really thought it to be a non credible threat.
Your post suggested that 12/7 could mean anything and associating it with Pearl Harbor was a stretch on the part of the reader.
By contrast the mention of a 4.16 moment to the Virginia tech community is intentional and the association obvious.
Also no one thinks that an anonymous poster is going to reproduce Pearl Harbor by carrying out an air raid on a military base. But an anonymous poster can carry out a school shooting.
It's nothing to do with being "too soon" or "free speech", it's a credible threat to carry out mass murder.
If you really think that's necessary then fine, weird them out.
But why do you have to do it in the CS class in a way the re-enforces the perception that girls aren't welcome?
A relatively normal looking friend of mine in his mid-twenties tried it out.
He came out as a woman in her 60's.
I think it's more an effect of the people we see pictures of most, celebrities, put a lot of work into appearing young, so we don't expect people in the public eye to age as quickly. Tom Cruise ages slowly because his career demands it, Barak Obama on the other hand probably looks more serious the older he looks, so there's less reason to make himself appear young.
Even compare to Jon Stewart in 2008 vs now. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference, until you realize the gallon of makeup applied to Jon Stewart's face, it's hard to appeal to GenXers and Millenials looking like you're over 50.
I'd actually be curious to see how this algorithm does with celebrity photos.
It's not porn. Bettie Page was considered "porn" in her day and I don't see anyone calling it porn now. Society's standards change over time. It would seem that they've left you far behind. Do you get an erection from seeing some bare elbow? The nudes in Playboy are not pornographic images by modern standards. This is what is considered porn in society today.
What you linked to is hardcore porn.
Playboy is softcore porn, and fairly tame softcore porn, but it's still porn.
If you have a problem with that, fine. You're entitled to hold an opinion. You're not entitled to have others agree with it and pretend that a head shot crop is porn or that a tastefully composed nude photograph (which doesn't even have visible genitalia and isn't even sexually suggestive) from which that crop was produced is pornography.
If I'm not entitled to have others agree then why are you? Why do we have to agree that isn't not a crop from pornographic photograph, why aren't guys and girls in that class allowed to feel weirded out by the expression and made uncomfortable when they figure out the full image?
That's great you have no problem with it, but some people do, why can't you take their concerns into account?
Thank you for proving a point.
...not a particularly proud one since it implies the field was started by guys reading porn magazines...
Here you imply that porn and looking at porn is somehow morally wrong.
Only if you're doing so around people who don't want to be exposed to it, I think a computer vision lab qualifies.
the sexualized component is part of the statement, a certain degree of controversy, offense, or shock actually adds to the artistic value
Here you see sex and sexual themes as shocking or offensive.
So please explain how your statements about sexuality are better grounded than those coming from fundamentalist christians,jews, muslims et al.?
Cut the crap.
Of course sexual imagery in art is shocking or at least provocative, that's the point, it's one of the strongest desires we have. That's the whole bloody point unless you want to look at a painting of a fruit bowl.
No. The "context" you present is irrelevant. The same twisted logic can be used to ban the Star-Spangled Banner because it was originally a drinking song. Despite your desires to cast it into the contrary, the meaning of the Lena image has changed over time and the original context is of no significance other than from a historical point of view.
I just have to disagree on that point.
As for claiming to speak on her behalf, that is what you are doing. You are deciding that there is something "not okay" with the Lena image because she is "a sexual object" which is absolute bollocks.
No I am not.
I am saying that image, even cropped, does not belong in a high school classroom because many people find it to be objectifying.
The girls are uncomfortable? Too bad. There's a lot of shit in the world that is "uncomfortable." A head shot is extremely unlikely to be one of them.
So your argument is that because the world is a shitty place there's no problem with making it a little shittier?
On top of that, you're pretending girls don't masturbate and have never willingly looked at explicit sexual imagery.
And now you're arguing with a figment of your imagination...
Perhaps if you bothered to read the comments on the WaPo article, you'd discover that multiple female alumni of the school in question who learned under female CS educators at said school came forward and strongly refuted the article's contents.
I read the comments and the closest I saw was someone mentioning knowing female alumni who hadn't complained in the past (though I could have missed as WP has a terrible commenting system). I also saw things criticizing the article for things it never said nor implied. And finally I saw multiple posts from people completely agreeing with the article.
Your outdated Puritanical views on sexuality and your attempt to pretend that teens are children rather than young adults put you squarely in the minority...and in the wrong.
Again you're ascribing views and arguments I never made. And sexually liberated girls and guys can still be offended by pornography and what they perceive as sexual objectification.
It's not your job to fix them.
Leaving aside the fact that we are not discussing an image that is pornography nor of a nude woman - it is face and top-of-shoulders, which makes all of this irrelevant...
Even the cropped image is mildly suggestive, but the fact people will know if comes from a full nude image makes it relevant.
Your own link goes on to discuss (immediately after the section you quote!) how there is not universal agreement on what is objectifying, including pornography.
And many people who feel it's objectifying will be in that class, their wishes should be respected.
I happen to think that a woman should be allowed to express herself however she wishes
I'm in full agreement.
I also think we need to respect the people who don't want to see her picture as an assignment in a high school CS class.