Bullshit. No journalist, anywhere, ever, has completely and utterly separated his bias from every article he's ever written. It's impossible. Sure, you should try for an unbiased point of view - try your hardest - but to think that anyone could be completely unbiased is completely unrealistic.
But the DEFINITION of journalism is to do just that. Report what happened. That's it. Just report the events. Leave the what-fors and why-nots to someone else who doesn't claim to be a journalist or a "news man". That's the problem with the news community today. There is no one out there who even ATTEMPTS to present just the events.
The problem is more evident in what they "report" on then how they report it. Here in the States, it's embarrasing how little we hear about the rest of the world, unless we're bombing it, from the major news outlets.
But yes, many of us believe its much more honest to be up front about our biases.
And EVERYONE has them.
Everyone might have them, but it's what you DO with them that makes you who you are. That's why Fox News is horrible and indymedia (huge generalization) is just as bad. If you could seperate your bias from your journalism then you'd be...a professional.
You are tired of this argument, and yet you don't yet understand what it's about?
Noone (well, at least not me or the guy that you replied to) claims that illegal copying is legal. We say that it's not theft. Big difference.
I DO understand what it's about. It's about and arguement over semantics. Is "theft" worse than "copyright infringement"? So what's the difference what you call it? As far as the law is concerned, the *theft* of $12 in cash is less serious than the copyright infringement of a CD. So like...what's the problem? Why argue semantics?
As for drugs I have a simple solution to that problem. Expulsion. I don't see how a university can legitimately claim they have a serious admitance program [e.g. you need the high marks, pass an essay or oral exam, etc, etc, etc] when they let students drink and do drugs all the time.
If kids honestly feared ending their academic careers the serious ones would avoid drugs and the less serious [e.g. bench warmers] would fall out.
Are you serious??? I mean really? I tried really hard to find sarcasm in your post but couldn't. You must really think that KIDS will CARE about their academic careers. Lock a kid out away from the real world for 18 years then throw that same kid into situations where he/she can do whatever they want and expect them to say... "Hrm...I better not drink this beer because my academic career is in jeopardy."
I am not advocating drugs and drinking but seriously...Expulsion??? Lots of kids these days don't care about ANYTHING much less their academic careers.
I think the going flat rate for spamming is like $0.002 for each mail sent. There are different ways to purchase your campaign but as far as flat rates go...that's about accurate. So 56,000,000 *.002 = $112,000.00. So that particular batch of campaigns didn't make his fine money. But he could have designed his campaigns to get bonuses for click throughs and stuff like that.
Or was it just near the Stadium, and coveted by the Stadium developers. Who, as politically connected big-wigs, didn't want to pay the asking price?
Actually, most immenent domain property gets purchased at or above fair market value. In my boss's case, he got well over a million dollars for his property that wasn't worth half that money. I don't know the details in this case as I am sure the dollar values haven't been printed but, usually the properties are bought for more than a fair price. The logic is to pay enough where people don't notice that thier property is getting forced out of thier hands. It usually works too.
"I don't know about your dictionary but mine describes stealing as "To take (the property of another) without right or permission."
To any sane individual who doesn't have a bug to bear, this is quite a different thing from copying something without somebody's permission. Theft and unauthorised copying are very different things, both morally and legally.
If you steal my bike, I lose the use of my bike. If you copy the book that I just wrote, I don't lose the book I just wrote. I still own it and can do with it as I wish.
Your argument that this thing is theft because it deprives the author of a sale is complete nonsense. Like so many record & movie industry funded studies, you assume that for every single copyrighted work downloaded, the industry loses a sale."
I am so tired of this arguement for theft vs. copyright infringement. While I have downloaded stuff that I would never have bought in a thousand years, I am sure every downloader has downloaded plenty of stuff that they would have bought eventually.
Since music is the example, let's use that. How many music purchases happen (or used to happen) by the purchaser walking by the record store and seeing some propaganda for the lastest hit record and thought "Hrm...I DO like that one song...maybe I would like some other songs on that record. I *DO* have $12.50 in my pocket. It's record buyin time..."
I just think to make the arguement that since you probably would not have bought something, it's OK to copy and distribute it is silly. Call a spade a spade and just admit that in some small way, the RIAA and the MPAA getting taken to the cleaners by filesharing and it's unfair. Yes, I know that they are unfair in their pricing, artist recoupments, etc but still. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's wrong, whether you call it Piracy, theft or copyright infringement.
What? Copy everything from others like Apple and then turn it in to a "simple to use but not very powerful" thing that newbs can use? Gee, just what I always wanted in a CLI. I hope they keep the really cool XP colors in the new CLI.
So...let me understand. You are not satisfied with whatever tool you use and you are looking to Microsoft to solve your problem? People like you are NEVER going to use (at least publically) Microsoft products in the OS sphere right? I mean...right? So what good is your input?
What? You mean he's after a trolley? and he comes to slashdot to find out? What's the big deal? it has wheels, and shelves and you put things onto it and move it around... This story's just plain weird.
Maybe someone out there can help me find the perfect role of sticky tape. I want one with a few features, will last the whole semester, preferable made of plastic and doesn't cost upward of $1200. Hold on, I'll ask slashdot !!
Well, it *is* "News for Nerds"...I guess the "Stuff that Matters" fell by the wayside on this one...
Yes, good post. Especially since a search for Mozilla when I did it returned the following...
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Seriously, that is a horrible analogy. I love Linux but c'mon Linux would suck just a badly and there would be just as much malware if the whole world was using it.
"The day of action includes staff wearing black and blue to express their bruised state, have a 10 minute "silent break" at 1PM Eastern Daylight Time, and getting their spouses to drop a line to CEO Sam Palmisano."
"Nobody apart from people like you thinks it's OK for them to behave like this. Anyone who isn't completely self-centred can see that paying upper management a disgusting amount of money while 'streamlining' is quite a sickening way for a company to behave. You are either very stupid, a greedy bastard who owns stock, or in upper management.
Calm down. High level execs get their money because of the responsibility their position carries. Some guy screwing in case mounts goes home and his job ends there. The execs are responsible for the entire company. Their salary is commiserate with thier responsibility. Do you want some guy responsible for your $200 billion company getting $90,000 / year? That's stupid. You want to make sure their happy at the wheel. (really happy)
Guess who got laid off? Not the employees who deliberately failed to document and made sure their projects took hand-on manipulation, which they admitted doing privately. Not the ones who didn't have a family to go home to so couldn't stay in the data center for a 36 hour shift. Not the ones who wrote letters to management detailing their software viiolations and handing them the open source ways out of the problem.
Sucks for you but you learned a great lesson. Being a good "company man" gets you exactly dick these days when your work for a large company. I feel for you but that's the way it goes. I mean you admit you paved the way for your release.
So you're saying 10-13k people are "dead wood". Nice of you to jump to conclusions there. Hope your job is on the line next.
So you're saying that IBM is laying off people that they NEED? What if you were one of the people at IBM that still has a job. Wouldn't you want IBM to make financially responsible decisions to protect *your* job AND increase the value of your stock? It's like...sorry to see you go but seriously...nobody owes you a job.
With the EFF backing tor, you don't really have to worry about this scenario - they'd likely take the brunt of any legal suit, and I would imagine would provide legal assistance to any user of the tor network that got sued.
Yeah, it's not like the EFF has ever lost a lawsuit.
"
In conclusion, my opinion is that ISPs should be required to destroy that data as soon as it's only purpose is to inform against their own customers."
In principal, I agree with you. However, as a server admin trying to fight off attacks from the Russians, Koreans and Chinese script kiddies, I disagree.
It's a fool that believes that the internet is like air, in that once you speak something it should evaporate into the air as vibration. A fool. It's not the record companies you should be worried about, it's the script kiddies and the real crack-ers. If you only knew what they do, you would want a way to track them.
I know that the people, not unlike yourself, who use the internet for downloading "Star Wars" think that everything should be anonymous and so forth but, truth be told, there are other uses for bandwidth. Like making money. If you can't track people posthumous, you're dead. It's the last line of defense between you and a would-be cracker. The only thing stopping most people who COULD crack-n-hack is the fact that they know they can be found out.
It would be like you being able to walk around, completely invisible. The thing stopping you from robbing a bank is the cameras right? (oh wait...you've probably got morals)
Of course, I guess you could log IPs from the other side but...but...but...
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Bullshit. No journalist, anywhere, ever, has completely and utterly separated his bias from every article he's ever written. It's impossible. Sure, you should try for an unbiased point of view - try your hardest - but to think that anyone could be completely unbiased is completely unrealistic.
But the DEFINITION of journalism is to do just that. Report what happened. That's it. Just report the events. Leave the what-fors and why-nots to someone else who doesn't claim to be a journalist or a "news man". That's the problem with the news community today. There is no one out there who even ATTEMPTS to present just the events.
The problem is more evident in what they "report" on then how they report it. Here in the States, it's embarrasing how little we hear about the rest of the world, unless we're bombing it, from the major news outlets.
But yes, many of us believe its much more honest to be up front about our biases.
And EVERYONE has them.
Everyone might have them, but it's what you DO with them that makes you who you are. That's why Fox News is horrible and indymedia (huge generalization) is just as bad. If you could seperate your bias from your journalism then you'd be...a professional.
You are tired of this argument, and yet you don't yet understand what it's about?
Noone (well, at least not me or the guy that you replied to) claims that illegal copying is legal. We say that it's not theft. Big difference.
I DO understand what it's about. It's about and arguement over semantics. Is "theft" worse than "copyright infringement"? So what's the difference what you call it? As far as the law is concerned, the *theft* of $12 in cash is less serious than the copyright infringement of a CD. So like...what's the problem? Why argue semantics?
As for drugs I have a simple solution to that problem. Expulsion. I don't see how a university can legitimately claim they have a serious admitance program [e.g. you need the high marks, pass an essay or oral exam, etc, etc, etc] when they let students drink and do drugs all the time.
... "Hrm...I better not drink this beer because my academic career is in jeopardy."
If kids honestly feared ending their academic careers the serious ones would avoid drugs and the less serious [e.g. bench warmers] would fall out.
Are you serious??? I mean really? I tried really hard to find sarcasm in your post but couldn't. You must really think that KIDS will CARE about their academic careers. Lock a kid out away from the real world for 18 years then throw that same kid into situations where he/she can do whatever they want and expect them to say
I am not advocating drugs and drinking but seriously...Expulsion??? Lots of kids these days don't care about ANYTHING much less their academic careers.
I think the going flat rate for spamming is like $0.002 for each mail sent. There are different ways to purchase your campaign but as far as flat rates go...that's about accurate. So 56,000,000 * .002 = $112,000.00. So that particular batch of campaigns didn't make his fine money. But he could have designed his campaigns to get bonuses for click throughs and stuff like that.
Or was it just near the Stadium, and coveted by the Stadium developers. Who, as politically connected big-wigs, didn't want to pay the asking price?
Actually, most immenent domain property gets purchased at or above fair market value. In my boss's case, he got well over a million dollars for his property that wasn't worth half that money. I don't know the details in this case as I am sure the dollar values haven't been printed but, usually the properties are bought for more than a fair price. The logic is to pay enough where people don't notice that thier property is getting forced out of thier hands. It usually works too.
"I don't know about your dictionary but mine describes stealing as "To take (the property of another) without right or permission." To any sane individual who doesn't have a bug to bear, this is quite a different thing from copying something without somebody's permission. Theft and unauthorised copying are very different things, both morally and legally. If you steal my bike, I lose the use of my bike. If you copy the book that I just wrote, I don't lose the book I just wrote. I still own it and can do with it as I wish. Your argument that this thing is theft because it deprives the author of a sale is complete nonsense. Like so many record & movie industry funded studies, you assume that for every single copyrighted work downloaded, the industry loses a sale."
I am so tired of this arguement for theft vs. copyright infringement. While I have downloaded stuff that I would never have bought in a thousand years, I am sure every downloader has downloaded plenty of stuff that they would have bought eventually.
Since music is the example, let's use that. How many music purchases happen (or used to happen) by the purchaser walking by the record store and seeing some propaganda for the lastest hit record and thought "Hrm...I DO like that one song...maybe I would like some other songs on that record. I *DO* have $12.50 in my pocket. It's record buyin time..."
I just think to make the arguement that since you probably would not have bought something, it's OK to copy and distribute it is silly. Call a spade a spade and just admit that in some small way, the RIAA and the MPAA getting taken to the cleaners by filesharing and it's unfair. Yes, I know that they are unfair in their pricing, artist recoupments, etc but still. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's wrong, whether you call it Piracy, theft or copyright infringement.
No?
"Remember how Bush made his money in baseball: building a larger stadium on land siezed under eminent domain? http://espn.go.com/mlb/bush/saturday.html
This is nothing new though. My old boss had his land in Queens NY taken to build Shea Stadium, and that was over 40 years ago.
What? Copy everything from others like Apple and then turn it in to a "simple to use but not very powerful" thing that newbs can use? Gee, just what I always wanted in a CLI. I hope they keep the really cool XP colors in the new CLI.
So...let me understand. You are not satisfied with whatever tool you use and you are looking to Microsoft to solve your problem? People like you are NEVER going to use (at least publically) Microsoft products in the OS sphere right? I mean...right? So what good is your input?
Not to mention the fucking *CONTENT*
Jesus fucking christ...I like computers and all but I didn't sign up for this Star Wars freak shit.
Kill me.
What? You mean he's after a trolley? and he comes to slashdot to find out? What's the big deal? it has wheels, and shelves and you put things onto it and move it around... This story's just plain weird.
Maybe someone out there can help me find the perfect role of sticky tape. I want one with a few features, will last the whole semester, preferable made of plastic and doesn't cost upward of $1200. Hold on, I'll ask slashdot !!
Well, it *is* "News for Nerds"...I guess the "Stuff that Matters" fell by the wayside on this one...
Yes, good post. Especially since a search for Mozilla when I did it returned the following...
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type Exception report message description The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it from fulfilling this request. exception javax.servlet.ServletException at org.apache.jasper.runtime.PageContextImpl.handlePa geException(PageContextImpl.java:498) at org.apache.jsp.search_jsp._jspService(search_jsp.j ava:659) at org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(Http JspBase.java:92) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet
One dump truck, 15 trips.
I mean really what happens to a manager who drives a whole company into the ground, being responsible for all the ensueing lay-offs, etc.?
It ruins his whole career and then he's got to go back in the trenches with the suckers.
Bwahahaha! *snort* My but you are gullible moron.
BR And you sir are an anonymous coward.
Seriously, that is a horrible analogy. I love Linux but c'mon Linux would suck just a badly and there would be just as much malware if the whole world was using it.
It's not even a strike. From the article...
"The day of action includes staff wearing black and blue to express their bruised state, have a 10 minute "silent break" at 1PM Eastern Daylight Time, and getting their spouses to drop a line to CEO Sam Palmisano."
mmm...ballsy
"Nobody apart from people like you thinks it's OK for them to behave like this. Anyone who isn't completely self-centred can see that paying upper management a disgusting amount of money while 'streamlining' is quite a sickening way for a company to behave. You are either very stupid, a greedy bastard who owns stock, or in upper management.
Calm down. High level execs get their money because of the responsibility their position carries. Some guy screwing in case mounts goes home and his job ends there. The execs are responsible for the entire company. Their salary is commiserate with thier responsibility. Do you want some guy responsible for your $200 billion company getting $90,000 / year? That's stupid. You want to make sure their happy at the wheel. (really happy)
Guess who got laid off? Not the employees who deliberately failed to document and made sure their projects took hand-on manipulation, which they admitted doing privately. Not the ones who didn't have a family to go home to so couldn't stay in the data center for a 36 hour shift. Not the ones who wrote letters to management detailing their software viiolations and handing them the open source ways out of the problem.
Sucks for you but you learned a great lesson. Being a good "company man" gets you exactly dick these days when your work for a large company. I feel for you but that's the way it goes. I mean you admit you paved the way for your release.
So you're saying 10-13k people are "dead wood". Nice of you to jump to conclusions there. Hope your job is on the line next.
So you're saying that IBM is laying off people that they NEED? What if you were one of the people at IBM that still has a job. Wouldn't you want IBM to make financially responsible decisions to protect *your* job AND increase the value of your stock? It's like...sorry to see you go but seriously...nobody owes you a job.
With the EFF backing tor, you don't really have to worry about this scenario - they'd likely take the brunt of any legal suit, and I would imagine would provide legal assistance to any user of the tor network that got sued.
Yeah, it's not like the EFF has ever lost a lawsuit.
Don't be stupid. The problem is, if your ISP doens't log your IP, then it's pointless for me to do it.
" In conclusion, my opinion is that ISPs should be required to destroy that data as soon as it's only purpose is to inform against their own customers."
In principal, I agree with you. However, as a server admin trying to fight off attacks from the Russians, Koreans and Chinese script kiddies, I disagree.
It's a fool that believes that the internet is like air, in that once you speak something it should evaporate into the air as vibration. A fool. It's not the record companies you should be worried about, it's the script kiddies and the real crack-ers. If you only knew what they do, you would want a way to track them.
I know that the people, not unlike yourself, who use the internet for downloading "Star Wars" think that everything should be anonymous and so forth but, truth be told, there are other uses for bandwidth. Like making money. If you can't track people posthumous, you're dead. It's the last line of defense between you and a would-be cracker. The only thing stopping most people who COULD crack-n-hack is the fact that they know they can be found out.
It would be like you being able to walk around, completely invisible. The thing stopping you from robbing a bank is the cameras right? (oh wait...you've probably got morals)
Of course, I guess you could log IPs from the other side but...but...but...
Here's an impression of me, the server admin of some secure data-farm...
Oh shit. They're not storing IP data...? Oh shit.
Cue the Russian hacks-for-hire..."Germany Boys...and quick..."
who the hell plays quake with *just* the mouse? might as well play the piano with my nose...
You'll excuse my ignorance as I work with computers and don't much play with them but, um, what *do* you play quake with?