I'd like to note the above posts as further proof of what I said in my initial post. Note that they are posted anonymously, and give no specific information other than to say that DSPAM is great and it works for them. I thank the posters, whoever they are, for ever so elegantly proving my point for me.
I totally agree. I used DSPAM for a while, gave it a fair shot, participated on the mailing list. I even, at times, got encouraging results. Ultimately, DSPAM required way too much nursemaid work to make it work for my installation and I scrapped it and went back to SA. The general feel I got from the DSPAM crowd was a big dick waving contest with other products, particularly, but not limited to, SA. A typical mailing list message looked like:
"SA is able to do X accurately. I cannot seem to achieve this with DSPAM. Am I doing something wrong, is there something I need to configure further?"
"SA is inferior. You don't want X. Besides, DSPAM has Y, which approximates X. No, I can't tell you how to do it specifically, but know that you need only DSPAM."
Personally, I found that DSPAM is blatently unable to train itself properly. You might have to train it 4 or 5 times with the same message to get it to classify that message as spam. It doesn't recursively train like SA does. This leads to users getting the EXACT SAME spam multiple times, despite their best efforts to train the filter. In addition, DSPAM's group features are sparsely documented and somewhat magical in their behavior. And of course, with out these features, DSPAM is useless to an installation of people who really do NOT want to have train their spam filter for months to get it to work right.
I'm all for competing software/products, but both projects are OSS, there is no money involved here, and I can't see how bashing the other product while concurrently not being able to do better, or even match it can be viewed as a step forward...
<BioWare> Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's re-do a whole bunch of work, lengthen our dev cycle, have to re-do our schedule just so we can pander to 1.5% of the market.
Not to mention, the release of 2.0 is just formalizing support for these features. They all existed previously as extensions. Bioware could have developed using them a year or two ago if they wanted. I suspect they chose Direct3D because it is more convenient to develop with, has more driver support, and works excellently on their target platform.
Dell is the Walmart of computer hardware, it's cheap, it probably works okay for a while, but but eventually it's gonna crap the bed and you'll have to buy a new one.
It is the Walmart, but it wasn't always. Dell used to make a fine machine back in the day, say prior to 2001 or so. They had some particularly nice workstations that we used for CAD engineering.
What meaningless blather. I've owned several Dell computers, and they've all lasted beyond my needs (e.g., still have a 1995 200MHz P2 running at home).
See above. That PC was made before Dell went all craptastic. I have a 400 Celery that functions as my fileserver and has never once blipped. The only problem with it is the TINY case.
Why are you advocating leveraging anything to promote a standard you clearly do not fully understand? At the risk of inciting a flamewar, I tire quickly of the over-zeal exhibited by people for a technology or some other such thing THEY DON'T EVEN REMOTELY UNDERSTAND. How can you offer an opinion or a recommendation when you DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?
I'm currently using FreeVCS to maintain a source tree with 965 files, about 30k each. It's an interesting approach in that it stores all the code in a database (DBISAM by default). It's designed for Delphi developers, but I am using to store a game engine (C++) and the associated scripts (TorqueScript), and I haven't had a problem with it yet. It also implements check out messages (why did you check this file out? "To fix the wankiness in doSomething()"), which can be quite useful once you get into multi-developer projects (like the one I'm on).
Agreed. I've been using IBM Optical Navigators (mmm blue light up scroll wheel) exclusively for a year now. Before that, MS Intellimouse Explorers. These each have 4 or 5 buttons. There are no 3 button mice anymore because the scroll wheel IS the button. It's called an advance in technology, and in this case it is time to move on
It's amazing, what's so intellectual about leather clad people wacking each other like they're in a comic book, and pretending to regurgitate phylosophy 101 that doesn't advance the plot?
How intellectual is someone who can't even spell philosophy right?
Heh, I know exactly what to do... wait for my SMC Barricade to realize the drop and dial out on the modem fallover line... (Yes, I did RTFA, I know it's not serious... but I wanted to brag. ^_^)
You're using an SMC networking product. That's not bragging, that's a cry for help.
That response was far too reasoned and thoughtful for my sarcastic point.
Hmmm. I guess my sarcasm filters are worn out for the day. Oddly enough, I was still able to make a somewhat coherent point. My afternoon has become a paradox:(
Isn't it *good* that in the open source world, a patch gets slapped together and applied the world over, within an hour?
It is and it isn't. It's great that a fix is available days faster than a commercial company could get one out. Most times OSS patches tend to be released in hours, in my experience anyway. The only problem is that you cannot thoroughly test anything that fast. Many times when the problem is just a one line fix where someone forgot a free() or something, it's not such a big deal. However, when you add a significant feature, like delegation-only, things are more complex. So there is a trade off. I'd rather wait a day or two and get a patch that is guaranteed (well, mostly) to be stable than get a patch in hours and have it explode overnight. Of course, depending on who you are and who you work for, Your Mileage May Vary.
Wow. That's about the most retarded way to solve this problem. As cool as you think it sounds to do that, perhaps you should consider the consquences:
Misdirected mail will queue instead of bouncing
Network traces will have to reach timeout to fail, thus tying up resources.
You will be unable to contact people using their domain parking/hosting/email services.
You've just alienated a root nameserver
Your DNS lookups will still return IPs. Null routing can't help that unless you null route all of the root nameservers
What happens when they change IP blocks...
Likewise, ISPs already know this, and will not implement it this way. Instead, we are patching BIND and voicing our concerns to ICANN, which is about the best we can do at this point. It's been said a million times, there isn't a technical solution to a legal/political problem.
I also use rsync. I let it sync with a directory on my backup server, which in turn dumps to tape. I have 5 machines backing up to a single server this way.
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And whose job is it to decide which category someone falls into? Certainly not yours.
I'd like to note the above posts as further proof of what I said in my initial post. Note that they are posted anonymously, and give no specific information other than to say that DSPAM is great and it works for them. I thank the posters, whoever they are, for ever so elegantly proving my point for me.
Everyone has to do it once, right?
I totally agree. I used DSPAM for a while, gave it a fair shot, participated on the mailing list. I even, at times, got encouraging results. Ultimately, DSPAM required way too much nursemaid work to make it work for my installation and I scrapped it and went back to SA. The general feel I got from the DSPAM crowd was a big dick waving contest with other products, particularly, but not limited to, SA. A typical mailing list message looked like:
Personally, I found that DSPAM is blatently unable to train itself properly. You might have to train it 4 or 5 times with the same message to get it to classify that message as spam. It doesn't recursively train like SA does. This leads to users getting the EXACT SAME spam multiple times, despite their best efforts to train the filter. In addition, DSPAM's group features are sparsely documented and somewhat magical in their behavior. And of course, with out these features, DSPAM is useless to an installation of people who really do NOT want to have train their spam filter for months to get it to work right.
I'm all for competing software/products, but both projects are OSS, there is no money involved here, and I can't see how bashing the other product while concurrently not being able to do better, or even match it can be viewed as a step forward...
But hey, that's just me, your mileage may vary.
Nah, controlling the game couldn't possibly be important... Sounds? What sounds? Who needs 'em! GRAPHICS FOR EVERYONE!!!
Ok, for the last time, Doom3 Win32 uses:
There is no Direct3D involved. Just remember, DirectX != Direct3D.
what's so wrong with shutting down daily? Metal fatigue. Ever had a hard disk crash?
I was being generous I suppose. It was a guess. Either way, I think I made my point.
Yeah, I just remembered that Bioware is not involved in NWN2. Secure your flame gear.
<BioWare> Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's re-do a whole bunch of work, lengthen our dev cycle, have to re-do our schedule just so we can pander to 1.5% of the market.
Not to mention, the release of 2.0 is just formalizing support for these features. They all existed previously as extensions. Bioware could have developed using them a year or two ago if they wanted. I suspect they chose Direct3D because it is more convenient to develop with, has more driver support, and works excellently on their target platform.
Dell is the Walmart of computer hardware, it's cheap, it probably works okay for a while, but but eventually it's gonna crap the bed and you'll have to buy a new one.
It is the Walmart, but it wasn't always. Dell used to make a fine machine back in the day, say prior to 2001 or so. They had some particularly nice workstations that we used for CAD engineering.
What meaningless blather. I've owned several Dell computers, and they've all lasted beyond my needs (e.g., still have a 1995 200MHz P2 running at home).
See above. That PC was made before Dell went all craptastic. I have a 400 Celery that functions as my fileserver and has never once blipped. The only problem with it is the TINY case.
Why are you advocating leveraging anything to promote a standard you clearly do not fully understand? At the risk of inciting a flamewar, I tire quickly of the over-zeal exhibited by people for a technology or some other such thing THEY DON'T EVEN REMOTELY UNDERSTAND. How can you offer an opinion or a recommendation when you DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?
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I'm currently using FreeVCS to maintain a source tree with 965 files, about 30k each. It's an interesting approach in that it stores all the code in a database (DBISAM by default). It's designed for Delphi developers, but I am using to store a game engine (C++) and the associated scripts (TorqueScript), and I haven't had a problem with it yet. It also implements check out messages (why did you check this file out? "To fix the wankiness in doSomething()"), which can be quite useful once you get into multi-developer projects (like the one I'm on).
Agreed. I've been using IBM Optical Navigators (mmm blue light up scroll wheel) exclusively for a year now. Before that, MS Intellimouse Explorers. These each have 4 or 5 buttons. There are no 3 button mice anymore because the scroll wheel IS the button. It's called an advance in technology, and in this case it is time to move on
It's amazing, what's so intellectual about leather clad people wacking each other like they're in a comic book, and pretending to regurgitate phylosophy 101 that doesn't advance the plot?
How intellectual is someone who can't even spell philosophy right?
Heh, I know exactly what to do... wait for my SMC Barricade to realize the drop and dial out on the modem fallover line...
(Yes, I did RTFA, I know it's not serious... but I wanted to brag. ^_^)
You're using an SMC networking product. That's not bragging, that's a cry for help.
That response was far too reasoned and thoughtful for my sarcastic point.
Hmmm. I guess my sarcasm filters are worn out for the day. Oddly enough, I was still able to make a somewhat coherent point. My afternoon has become a paradox :(
Isn't it *good* that in the open source world, a patch gets slapped together and applied the world over, within an hour?
It is and it isn't. It's great that a fix is available days faster than a commercial company could get one out. Most times OSS patches tend to be released in hours, in my experience anyway. The only problem is that you cannot thoroughly test anything that fast. Many times when the problem is just a one line fix where someone forgot a free() or something, it's not such a big deal. However, when you add a significant feature, like delegation-only, things are more complex. So there is a trade off. I'd rather wait a day or two and get a patch that is guaranteed (well, mostly) to be stable than get a patch in hours and have it explode overnight. Of course, depending on who you are and who you work for, Your Mileage May Vary.
This only solves web. This does not solve the myriad of problems with email and other services...
Wow. That's about the most retarded way to solve this problem. As cool as you think it sounds to do that, perhaps you should consider the consquences:
- Misdirected mail will queue instead of bouncing
- Network traces will have to reach timeout to fail, thus tying up resources.
- You will be unable to contact people using their domain parking/hosting/email services.
- You've just alienated a root nameserver
- Your DNS lookups will still return IPs. Null routing can't help that unless you null route all of the root nameservers
- What happens when they change IP blocks...
Likewise, ISPs already know this, and will not implement it this way. Instead, we are patching BIND and voicing our concerns to ICANN, which is about the best we can do at this point. It's been said a million times, there isn't a technical solution to a legal/political problem.That version of postfix that you reference isn't even current. It's a full MAJOR release behind. Consider that before you bash it.
s/\|/>/. Honest mistake.
Clearly you have not ever used a properly configured FreeBSD.
Ok, and how many times has Nuke been r00table?? God, I hope you are lying through your teeth...
I also use rsync. I let it sync with a directory on my backup server, which in turn dumps to tape. I have 5 machines backing up to a single server this way.