Players got banned for buying low and selling high?
I'm glad I didn't get that game, because I probably would have been banned too.
There are a few RPGs where you can buy things in one town and sell them in another for higher, and I've always abused that to make gold.
That costs you time though (running back and forth between towns).
Some games even intentionally do that (i.e. have fluctuating vendor prices based on supply/demand). If everyone hangs around 1 town, because hunting is good outside of it, NPCs start selling for higher values, and buying for less.
The problem here was that people were buying an item from one vendor, then selling it back to the same vendor for more than they originally paid for it.
Yes, a dev screwed up somewhere in a config entry, but the players should know better. This isn't the first time something like that has happened in a game, and in previous cases, banhammers fell without prejudice.
The problem with reversing it themselves becomes very large scale if any player-player interaction is involved (and, umm, this is an MMO, it's all about P-P interactions).
Player A exploits loophole to illegitimately gain 1 million gold
Player A buys 100k weapon from Player B-1, 100k chest-armor from Player B-2, and 100k ring from Player B-3
Player B-1 uses that 100k that he got from a legitimate sale of a legitimately [farmed/crafted/bought] item, and buys 50k worth of consumables
Player B-2 uses that 100k along with 900k that was all made using legitimate means to buy 1m item legitimately
Etc, etc... the list goes on
Realistically, Players B-1 and B-2 have no idea that the money from A was fake/illegal (and in digital world, they have no way of knowing), so they can't be penalized and have their new consumables or big-ticket item removed.
Player A should lose his 3 items, yeah
But, if this were the other way around, and Player A bought 10 items from vendor for 100k each with that 1m that he made, and quickly turned around and sold it to other players for 90k each, or crafted it with other legitimate items for sale for 200k each, you can't really break up the amounts now (as half of that 200k-each is legitimate).
Now, go one-step further, and say Player A shunted that 1m gold into powerlevelling a craft.
The benefits of the higher crafter levels will net him huge, legitimate (arguably), returns throughout the game, especially early-on when other don't necessarily have crafting levelled so high.
Can they simply "delete" the "profits" of their actions? Not without re-rolling their toon, or choosing to never use that skilled craft again.
Back-rolling exploited vendors is a very, very labor intensive process. This has happened in almost every MMO at least once, and also in many single-player games.
Were I ArenaNet, I'd just ban the players who exploited, too. They've all been around the block a couple of times, they know better, and it's not worth the time I pay my devs for to back out something like that.
The players who exploited can always just create a new account (for which they have to buy a new license to the game, one-time) if they want to play again. This not only backs out the problem caused by them exploiting, but it also sets precedent that any breach of the ToS will have a monetary value attached to it to resolve, and that monetary value is capped (at the cost of rebuying the game).
(I also haven't gotten religion on Agile. Who's the genius that thought a word representing a bunch of sweaty grunting guys pushing against each other in the mud, expending tons of energy and going nowhere was supposed to make me think of increased nimbleness and productivity?)
? Maybe your problem is a misunderstanding of the word "agile"?
No, I understand Agile perfectly well, TYVM.
agile/ajl/
Adjective:
Able to move quickly and easily: "as agile as a monkey"; "an agile mind".
Synonyms:
nimble - quick - spry - brisk - nippy - alert - lissom
Hardly "a word representing a bunch of sweaty grunting guys pushing against each other in the mud, expending tons of energy and going nowhere"
Your head should be next to his head. Not near his ass (because then he will smell your farts too, and one of you would have his hands under the keyboard...).
What if he's got his head up his ass?
Your head would then definitely be near-to his ass.
"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"
Separation of Church and state was preached by Jesus, and it is no coincidence that it emerged in Christian Europe, even if Europe took centuries to start following that teaching.
Except in some (still widely practiced) denominations, this was read as "God made everything, therefore owns everything, so give everything to God"
My father's church was one of them, that implied this meaning when covering this particular passage in Sunday school.
The teachers were livid when I debated it (among other things); needless to say I didn't have to go to church much after that.
This, from the same group of people who preach "Know Christ, Know peace" (pronounced "No Christ, No Peace")
There are fundies and zealots everywhere, even today. That doesn't make it right.
Sure there were restrictions, but you didn't have to buy a complete PC, you just needed to by enough parts from a single shop (in a single purchase) to make a PC that would run... MB, RAM, Processor, storage, PSU plus the OS. Everything else you could get from wherever you liked.
This is of benefit to people wanting to run it on VM though.
That was technically the requirement, however most shops would sell you the OS for purchasing any 1 piece of equipment which goes inside your case.
I upgraded the RAM in my laptop (2 sticks) and with it bought 2 OEM licenses of Win7; one for my laptop and one for the media PC.
Sorry to nitpick..."Bullseye" is a target, Bull's Eye is an eye belonging to a Bull.
What's your point?
If a bull were charging at me, and I had time to aim and discharge a firearm at it in hopes of stopping it, I'd shoot at it's eye too, regardless of the presence of concentric circles surrounding my target.
At least in that respect (were I a good enough shot to not miss, and simply have the bullet bounce off of it's skull), the bullet would pass through the eye and bounce around the brain cavity, hopefully stopping it.
Then explain why all switches are specified as x-pole x-throw:P
Not all switches; only switches with levers attached.
Some switches have buttons attached, instead of levers.
Some switches aren't even electrical, and have neither buttons nor levers (but if used right can still enable the flow of something, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)
... and then catching something from an unsanitary phone will fix the rest.
Wouldn't be necessary;
With Ship B's crew no longer around to gum up the works, we could finally switch over to a mass telepathic link on a global scale, there'd be no need to touch a phone again.
Scanning the KS, I think it is just a [cellphone/tablet without 3/4G or a multi-touch capable screen] with a [generic current-gen-]style controller [with a touchpad] that is designed to hook up to a TV. It looks like it is going to play [android] games [and run XBMC/Plex], since they were showing [some] titles like [FFIII] on it already.
Many California data centers are within range of major fault lines.
It's ok though; Few of them have "May Cause Cancer" signs posted, so they must be safe.
[Cancer causes death; Datacenters don't cause cancer; Datacenters are safe from death; Earthquakes cause death, but people are safe from death in Datacenters, so they are safe from Earthquakes]
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Players got banned for buying low and selling high? I'm glad I didn't get that game, because I probably would have been banned too. There are a few RPGs where you can buy things in one town and sell them in another for higher, and I've always abused that to make gold.
That costs you time though (running back and forth between towns).
Some games even intentionally do that (i.e. have fluctuating vendor prices based on supply/demand). If everyone hangs around 1 town, because hunting is good outside of it, NPCs start selling for higher values, and buying for less.
The problem here was that people were buying an item from one vendor, then selling it back to the same vendor for more than they originally paid for it.
Yes, a dev screwed up somewhere in a config entry, but the players should know better. This isn't the first time something like that has happened in a game, and in previous cases, banhammers fell without prejudice.
The problem with reversing it themselves becomes very large scale if any player-player interaction is involved (and, umm, this is an MMO, it's all about P-P interactions).
Player A exploits loophole to illegitimately gain 1 million gold
Player A buys 100k weapon from Player B-1, 100k chest-armor from Player B-2, and 100k ring from Player B-3
Player B-1 uses that 100k that he got from a legitimate sale of a legitimately [farmed/crafted/bought] item, and buys 50k worth of consumables
Player B-2 uses that 100k along with 900k that was all made using legitimate means to buy 1m item legitimately Etc, etc... the list goes on
Realistically, Players B-1 and B-2 have no idea that the money from A was fake/illegal (and in digital world, they have no way of knowing), so they can't be penalized and have their new consumables or big-ticket item removed.
Player A should lose his 3 items, yeah
But, if this were the other way around, and Player A bought 10 items from vendor for 100k each with that 1m that he made, and quickly turned around and sold it to other players for 90k each, or crafted it with other legitimate items for sale for 200k each, you can't really break up the amounts now (as half of that 200k-each is legitimate).
Now, go one-step further, and say Player A shunted that 1m gold into powerlevelling a craft.
The benefits of the higher crafter levels will net him huge, legitimate (arguably), returns throughout the game, especially early-on when other don't necessarily have crafting levelled so high.
Can they simply "delete" the "profits" of their actions? Not without re-rolling their toon, or choosing to never use that skilled craft again.
Back-rolling exploited vendors is a very, very labor intensive process. This has happened in almost every MMO at least once, and also in many single-player games.
Were I ArenaNet, I'd just ban the players who exploited, too. They've all been around the block a couple of times, they know better, and it's not worth the time I pay my devs for to back out something like that.
The players who exploited can always just create a new account (for which they have to buy a new license to the game, one-time) if they want to play again. This not only backs out the problem caused by them exploiting, but it also sets precedent that any breach of the ToS will have a monetary value attached to it to resolve, and that monetary value is capped (at the cost of rebuying the game).
Title says it all.
Then why did you continue writing 11 more sentences?
Probably so that no one will by what he says by virtue of scarcity of his opinion?
It ensures he has "true believers"
(I also haven't gotten religion on Agile. Who's the genius that thought a word representing a bunch of sweaty grunting guys pushing against each other in the mud, expending tons of energy and going nowhere was supposed to make me think of increased nimbleness and productivity?)
? Maybe your problem is a misunderstanding of the word "agile"?
No, I understand Agile perfectly well, TYVM.
agile/ajl/
Adjective:
Able to move quickly and easily: "as agile as a monkey"; "an agile mind".
Synonyms:
nimble - quick - spry - brisk - nippy - alert - lissom
Hardly "a word representing a bunch of sweaty grunting guys pushing against each other in the mud, expending tons of energy and going nowhere"
i don't need to smell your farts
Your head should be next to his head. Not near his ass (because then he will smell your farts too, and one of you would have his hands under the keyboard...).
What if he's got his head up his ass?
Your head would then definitely be near-to his ass.
What do you do?
Crack open the bottle of rum, of course!
"Clothes" is a noun. "Clothe" is a verb.
And "Cthulhu" is both all, and nothing...
Ia Ia!
"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"
Separation of Church and state was preached by Jesus, and it is no coincidence that it emerged in Christian Europe, even if Europe took centuries to start following that teaching.
Except in some (still widely practiced) denominations, this was read as "God made everything, therefore owns everything, so give everything to God"
My father's church was one of them, that implied this meaning when covering this particular passage in Sunday school.
The teachers were livid when I debated it (among other things); needless to say I didn't have to go to church much after that.
This, from the same group of people who preach "Know Christ, Know peace" (pronounced "No Christ, No Peace")
There are fundies and zealots everywhere, even today. That doesn't make it right.
Don't you fellows remember the 1950s? The science fiction from that era was extremely pessimistic.
Looking back on some of the decades following the 50s, apparently, with good reason.
Sure there were restrictions, but you didn't have to buy a complete PC, you just needed to by enough parts from a single shop (in a single purchase) to make a PC that would run ... MB, RAM, Processor, storage, PSU plus the OS. Everything else you could get from wherever you liked.
This is of benefit to people wanting to run it on VM though.
That was technically the requirement, however most shops would sell you the OS for purchasing any 1 piece of equipment which goes inside your case.
I upgraded the RAM in my laptop (2 sticks) and with it bought 2 OEM licenses of Win7; one for my laptop and one for the media PC.
I'm not sure that in Putinist Russia, such a thing would be permitted, though. Live from the Gulag . . . ?
In Putinist Russia... Free Speech Rights You!
even if there was only a zepto-mole of particles that Heisenberg would have said that two digits of precision is allowable.
It wouldn't really matter what Heisenberg said, as he was never really certain of anything.
I wonder how it does on popcorn?
It still leaves 3 kernels unpopped
Sorry to nitpick..."Bullseye" is a target, Bull's Eye is an eye belonging to a Bull.
What's your point?
If a bull were charging at me, and I had time to aim and discharge a firearm at it in hopes of stopping it, I'd shoot at it's eye too, regardless of the presence of concentric circles surrounding my target.
At least in that respect (were I a good enough shot to not miss, and simply have the bullet bounce off of it's skull), the bullet would pass through the eye and bounce around the brain cavity, hopefully stopping it.
Spooooon!
How many rods can you go before you lose a bar, though?
A rocker is a form of lever ;p
Why are you peasants so revolting?
Must not have gotten their cake >.>
Bing acquitted
Bing should never be acquitted
Then explain why all switches are specified as x-pole x-throw :P
Not all switches; only switches with levers attached.
Some switches have buttons attached, instead of levers.
Some switches aren't even electrical, and have neither buttons nor levers (but if used right can still enable the flow of something, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)
... and then catching something from an unsanitary phone will fix the rest.
Wouldn't be necessary;
With Ship B's crew no longer around to gum up the works, we could finally switch over to a mass telepathic link on a global scale, there'd be no need to touch a phone again.
Scanning the KS, I think it is just a [cellphone/tablet without 3/4G or a multi-touch capable screen] with a [generic current-gen-]style controller [with a touchpad] that is designed to hook up to a TV. It looks like it is going to play [android] games [and run XBMC/Plex], since they were showing [some] titles like [FFIII] on it already.
There, FTFY
The answer is D! Because the others are all make-believe!
C: Someone who accidentally stumbled onto slashdot today?
Not entirely true; I've hit /. with StumbleUpon before, so it's possible someone could very well accidentally stumble onto /.
Many California data centers are within range of major fault lines.
It's ok though; Few of them have "May Cause Cancer" signs posted, so they must be safe.
[Cancer causes death; Datacenters don't cause cancer; Datacenters are safe from death; Earthquakes cause death, but people are safe from death in Datacenters, so they are safe from Earthquakes]
Move along, people...
But then, the 2nd amendment isn't about Olympic sports or duck hunting....
Nope, Nintendo is