Last time i check "Apple" was readying the Java 6. i don't remember seeing a.Net page in apple.com or a mention of a moron who run windows in apple to develop software.
Java is first class citizen for Apple and it has
- IntelliJ IDEA
- Eclipse
- Netbeans
all of them are way ahead VS.net big time. what is this stupidity trying to emulate windows on a mac to develop.Net to and deploy on windows?
you are a fool if you think it is easy to find the exact amout of empty disc space in a netwroked-clustered environment in a platform independant matter..
well.. yes, java is still the most used platform in business and it is getting bigger. who is "we" you are talking about anyway? "we" here use java in all big applications and very happy about it.
i was lucky that i started reading Lem with "The invincible" from the Turkish translation. i loved the book. then i read many more, each book has a distictive character. He had a unique stlye that i still cannot see in today's aouthors. My brothers are also a huge fan of him, a sad day for us.
i am always buffled with the ignorance of the people who thinks Java is causing the problems with the OpenOffice project. - Java is used in a small amount of the OpenOffice (database and some less known seperate components). i wish it would be used more. Especially in the GUI part, check NeoOffice if you want. - Bloat is caused by the C++ side of the application. And not Sun's fault it was already rotten when Sun bought the company. - Complexity is caused by the C++ side of the application. it would be hell if they tried to use C++ for all the database part. - People thinks everybody will rush to participate code if it would e an organization are dreaming. if Sun does not pay, it will be in the hands of one or two stinky hacker. coding C++ code is no feast especially for this magnitude of the project. Firefox has a bunch of core developers and one million people who just rub the developers back, thay are suffering grately. Eclipse is lucky on that side because they use a better and easier programming language (Java).
First check this graphics:
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/JeffV/itaniu m_rev_ext.gif
Itanium processor was pushed so badly in the past, there are 9 IDC estimates for the processor reenues. All those 9 estimates were terribly wrong. how come IDC makes 9 consecutive wrong estimates for a product? Itanium deserves al kind of jokes and bad remarks IMHO.
- it is still an expensive product. Maybe CPU's are relatively cheap now but systems designed for it are at least double the price of an equally performing Opteron systems. Motherboards, chipsets are expensive.
- PErformance numbers you presented from super computers does not reflect realities. For super computers performance metrics are depends on so many parameters (inter connection, application type etc). Nobody can claim itanium is the best bang for buck.
- it is a power sucker.
- Still no good native software support, no good OS support, people are reluctant to use Virtual machines either (Java etc.)
For many "custom project" based software companies GPL is not even a choice. All of the projects has to e closed sourced due to the customer request, or company policy. Especially government projects are strict on this case. So, we are careful not to use any GPL library within the project distribution. But we do use GPL applications during the developement of the project. Luckily, most java libraries are not GPL, and we used nearly 20 libraries without a problem. OS product developers are also aware of that and i can say most common and successful Java open source libraries are not developed under GPL (sure there are exceptions but mostly ina pplication side, like BerkleyDB, Azureus etc.).
this enthusiat hardware web sites are simply ridiculous. how can you make a decent test with desktop applications and server processors and systems and reach conclusions? evet their DB tests suck.
Oh please.. Author talks aout line counts and method numbers..
You count getter setter methods? you count the lines for {} symbols and getter-setters? You know that they can be produced lets say in 3 seconds with any modern Java IDE.. it has no meaning what so ever to put them into consideration in terms of productivity.. sigh.
RoR is a toy comparing to Hibernate and Spring. There is no serious caching, no serious transation capabilities, or messaging mechanisms. hype and buzz. Also, Check this page for a comparison of RoR and Hibernate.
However, it is probably better than Php.
http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss? l=RailsHibernate
You have no idea about the things you say right? C# is a language. a language cannot be faster then another. The performance is measured with the compiled code. For that, Java virtual machines are doing a good job by givin equivalent performance to native C++ compiled applications. Java VM gives similar or better performance with.Net CLR. mono JIT is tha far worst in terms of performance. icaza ate his words some time ago by replacing "mono is faster then java" sentences from their web site. mono has ZERO advantages over Java in even their home platform, Gnome, let alone other platforms.
I do not get it.. why there is almost no mention of Eclipse or Netbeans in these articles? why java is the bastrad child of the open source community? is it because people still dont get it? Those IDE's are far beyond C++ counterparts. Even Visual Studio. Or take IDEA. it is free for open source use now and probably the best programmers tool ever desgined.
So you think with Flash you will be able to develop new codecs like this without updating flash plugin in your computer? You are confusing things badly dude..
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Last time i check "Apple" was readying the Java 6. i don't remember seeing a .Net page in apple.com or a mention of a moron who run windows in apple to develop software.
yes, and who are you ? a coward or a moron?
Java is first class citizen for Apple and it has - IntelliJ IDEA - Eclipse - Netbeans all of them are way ahead VS.net big time. what is this stupidity trying to emulate windows on a mac to develop .Net to and deploy on windows?
well said.
i hope open sourcing Java does not make trigger happy idiot computer language junkies fill Java with crap like this.
you are a fool if you think it is easy to find the exact amout of empty disc space in a netwroked-clustered environment in a platform independant matter..
well.. yes, java is still the most used platform in business and it is getting bigger. who is "we" you are talking about anyway? "we" here use java in all big applications and very happy about it.
i was lucky that i started reading Lem with "The invincible" from the Turkish translation. i loved the book. then i read many more, each book has a distictive character. He had a unique stlye that i still cannot see in today's aouthors. My brothers are also a huge fan of him, a sad day for us.
i am always buffled with the ignorance of the people who thinks Java is causing the problems with the OpenOffice project.
- Java is used in a small amount of the OpenOffice (database and some less known seperate components). i wish it would be used more. Especially in the GUI part, check NeoOffice if you want.
- Bloat is caused by the C++ side of the application. And not Sun's fault it was already rotten when Sun bought the company.
- Complexity is caused by the C++ side of the application. it would be hell if they tried to use C++ for all the database part.
- People thinks everybody will rush to participate code if it would e an organization are dreaming. if Sun does not pay, it will be in the hands of one or two stinky hacker. coding C++ code is no feast especially for this magnitude of the project. Firefox has a bunch of core developers and one million people who just rub the developers back, thay are suffering grately. Eclipse is lucky on that side because they use a better and easier programming language (Java).
Take this Bozo..
http://www.blogbridge.com/
First check this graphics: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/JeffV/itaniu m_rev_ext.gif
Itanium processor was pushed so badly in the past, there are 9 IDC estimates for the processor reenues. All those 9 estimates were terribly wrong. how come IDC makes 9 consecutive wrong estimates for a product? Itanium deserves al kind of jokes and bad remarks IMHO.
- it is still an expensive product. Maybe CPU's are relatively cheap now but systems designed for it are at least double the price of an equally performing Opteron systems. Motherboards, chipsets are expensive.
- PErformance numbers you presented from super computers does not reflect realities. For super computers performance metrics are depends on so many parameters (inter connection, application type etc). Nobody can claim itanium is the best bang for buck.
- it is a power sucker.
- Still no good native software support, no good OS support, people are reluctant to use Virtual machines either (Java etc.)
For many "custom project" based software companies GPL is not even a choice. All of the projects has to e closed sourced due to the customer request, or company policy. Especially government projects are strict on this case. So, we are careful not to use any GPL library within the project distribution. But we do use GPL applications during the developement of the project. Luckily, most java libraries are not GPL, and we used nearly 20 libraries without a problem. OS product developers are also aware of that and i can say most common and successful Java open source libraries are not developed under GPL (sure there are exceptions but mostly ina pplication side, like BerkleyDB, Azureus etc.).
NeoJ, the J at the end represents Java. complete GUI layer (and posibly more) is designed with Java. It is a shame poster did not mention that.
i cannot believe Cnet, or Sun is taking an anonymous moron serious.
the real conclusion should have been: 'as an alternative to Solaris 10, Linux doesn't yet deliver.' this review is a joke.
this enthusiat hardware web sites are simply ridiculous. how can you make a decent test with desktop applications and server processors and systems and reach conclusions? evet their DB tests suck.
Oh please.. Author talks aout line counts and method numbers.. You count getter setter methods? you count the lines for {} symbols and getter-setters? You know that they can be produced lets say in 3 seconds with any modern Java IDE.. it has no meaning what so ever to put them into consideration in terms of productivity.. sigh.
RoR is a toy comparing to Hibernate and Spring. There is no serious caching, no serious transation capabilities, or messaging mechanisms. hype and buzz. Also, Check this page for a comparison of RoR and Hibernate. However, it is probably better than Php. http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss? l=RailsHibernate
Actually, Java is the new C++ Ruby , Python are the new Perl..
You have no idea about the things you say right? C# is a language. a language cannot be faster then another. The performance is measured with the compiled code. For that, Java virtual machines are doing a good job by givin equivalent performance to native C++ compiled applications. Java VM gives similar or better performance with .Net CLR. mono JIT is tha far worst in terms of performance. icaza ate his words some time ago by replacing "mono is faster then java" sentences from their web site. mono has ZERO advantages over Java in even their home platform, Gnome, let alone other platforms.
You should use Solaris 10 or FreeBSD..
I do not get it.. why there is almost no mention of Eclipse or Netbeans in these articles? why java is the bastrad child of the open source community? is it because people still dont get it? Those IDE's are far beyond C++ counterparts. Even Visual Studio. Or take IDEA. it is free for open source use now and probably the best programmers tool ever desgined.
And why is that ? Java is good and fast enough, and you do not need a client software, browser is enough. When will mono monkeys understand ...
So you think with Flash you will be able to develop new codecs like this without updating flash plugin in your computer? You are confusing things badly dude..
Because Sun's java VM is faster than GCJ compiled native code in most cases.