However, migrating to x86 is not an option in many cases, ESPECIALLY those which really require high performance.... x86 is still really limited to 4gig address space, the scalability is poor and not all applications are appropriate for being clustered. Often a high end 64bit multiprocessor system is the only option, and in these cases a 10% speed increase could result in hours of time saved, or even more..
On other architectures, gcc lags WAY behind the native compiler from the hardware vendor, look at sun workshop, compaq alpha compiler or sgi mipspro.. And the more code is made that only compiles with gcc, the more performance wastage on these architectures.
Way less holes than who? You dont see many holes in NetBSD... VMS has even less, MacOS AmigaOS and older versions of windows/dos rarely make it into bugtraq either. I`m sure if you created a linux distribution with a similar set of tools to those included with openbsd, you would see a similar number of holes. You cant compare something-for-everyone redhat to a stripped down do-it-yourself system. Aside from that fact, i have found openbsd to be less stable and less performant than other os`s, of the relatively small number of people i know who use openbsd.. almost all of them have experienced crashes, often related to system or network load. In contrast i know far more people using freebsd, linux or solaris, and they very rarely complain of crashes, the exception being people using beta versions of the linux kernel.
The openbsd claims of security are just hype to increase their cd sales.. in what way is openbsd more secure than any other os? the "Secure by default" philosophy can apply to a number of linux distributions aswell, which similarly come with no daemons enabled. openbsd code has had a number of vulnerabilities aswell, no less than any other os with a similarly small set of default tools. people compare openbsd to redhat, but dont take into account the thousands of packages redhat comes with.. install and enable a similar number of things from the ports tree and see how secure it is then..
As for the ss20, its actually quad capable (look for ross dual hypersparc modules)... and 100mbit ethernet, even 100mb quadethernet cards are often for sale on ebay quite cheaply.
For all their so called security auditing, they failed to find several holes, most notably in openssh. Holes not only in older code, but holes in the new code added by the openbsd team themselves.. So you trust people who write insecure code themselves to audit existing code for security?
It`s not free atall, you need a non-free os to run the encoder and server, and you need a non-free os to act as a client. This is like the free mudflaps and carpets you get with a ford car, theyre not free atall because theyre useless without a ford to put them in. What`s more, your actively shutting out the increasing number of users who are not using windows clients. Real may not be perfect, but atleast they provide a player for a wide range of systems.
openbsd outperforming solaris on a sparc machine? last time i tried openbsd (2.8) that was exactly the opposite of what happened, it was far less performant than solaris, and crashed several times.
So what next? Intel/Maxtor/AmiBIOS/Nvidia/Via/Logitech/Gr ub/GNU/ Linux ? Afterall, the hardware is important too! And dont forget the firmware. Which makes me wonder, why dont we have OpenBOOT/MACOSX, or OpenBOOT/Solaris, or maybe SRM/OpenVMS ? why not? because its stupid.. having a short name is much easier for people to refer to.
Aside from that, many people dont use grub to boot linux, and many other people use grub to boot other os`s such as windows.
What`s the point of using VNC atall if you have X ? X supports remote use natively, no need for a hack like vnc, and its sure a hell of a lot faster. Whats more, X natively lets you export single apps at a time, without the overhead of a complete desktop and windowmanager, and the apps from one server integrate perfectly with the ones your running locally.
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The sparc64 linux kernel handles 64bit sparc and 32bit sparc applications, the sparc64 version of solaris does the same. IRIX on 64bit MIPS does too, but i`m not sure about the mips64 port of linux. Infact... I`m typing this right now on an IRIX64 machine running a 32bit version of galeon: root@evil:~# file `which galeon-bin`/usr/freeware/bin/galeon-bin: ELF N32 MSB mips-3 dynamic executable MIPS - version 1 root@evil:~# uname -a IRIX64 evil 6.5 07121149 IP30
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If only this were the case, the itanium 2 is very different to the alpha. Really they should have continued the alpha, instead of creating a new architecture... The alpha is the cleanest of all the 64bit architectures, and has always been the most performant, plus by using an existing architecture you would already have a software and user base.
The atari Jaguar had a 64bit graphics processor, just like a 486 does if you plug an S3 Trio64 card in... The main processor of the jaguar was a Motorola 68000, a 32bit processor with 16bit external paths and 24bit addressing.
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AFAIK the 68000 was a 32bit processor, with 24bit address bus and 16bit external bus. The later 68020 increased everything to 32bit. However, the p4 actually has a 32bit address bus, with hacks to address 36bit space, but thats what it is.. a hack, the extra addressspace is not directly available to apps. There is also likely to be a performance hit when using these hacks..
Alpha`s used to ship with PowerStorm displaycards a few years ago, which at the time were able to completely destroy any pc displaycards in any benchmarks.. Modern alpha`s support AGP and PCI.. you could plug any displaycard in assuming you have drivers for it, and most drivers written for linux/x86 work fine on linux/alpha
No, but a similar product from someone else will surely make them offer a competitor, and do everything in their power to pound the competitor into the ground.
KDE makes an effort, by having a description next to the program names in its menu, this way people get to know what the program is really called, and what it does.
No, we just despise the way they got big with underhanded tactics and marketting rather than by spending all that time/effort on improving their products.
Wrong, microsoft invented the emailvirus and the macro virus. Was there ever a mail client before lookout which allowed recieved emails to auto execute themselves?
Does that actually support authentication (ie, preventing unauthorized clients from connecting and taking a screendump of keystroking) Many of the Xservers for windows dont support any way to prevent unauthorized ip`s from connecting.. Or almost as bad, have ALL hosts allowed by default.
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However, migrating to x86 is not an option in many cases, ESPECIALLY those which really require high performance....
x86 is still really limited to 4gig address space, the scalability is poor and not all applications are appropriate for being clustered. Often a high end 64bit multiprocessor system is the only option, and in these cases a 10% speed increase could result in hours of time saved, or even more..
On other architectures, gcc lags WAY behind the native compiler from the hardware vendor, look at sun workshop, compaq alpha compiler or sgi mipspro..
And the more code is made that only compiles with gcc, the more performance wastage on these architectures.
gcc is as much of a standard as windows or msword, just because its commonly used doesnt make it a standard.
Way less holes than who?
You dont see many holes in NetBSD... VMS has even less, MacOS AmigaOS and older versions of windows/dos rarely make it into bugtraq either.
I`m sure if you created a linux distribution with a similar set of tools to those included with openbsd, you would see a similar number of holes. You cant compare something-for-everyone redhat to a stripped down do-it-yourself system.
Aside from that fact, i have found openbsd to be less stable and less performant than other os`s, of the relatively small number of people i know who use openbsd.. almost all of them have experienced crashes, often related to system or network load. In contrast i know far more people using freebsd, linux or solaris, and they very rarely complain of crashes, the exception being people using beta versions of the linux kernel.
The openbsd claims of security are just hype to increase their cd sales.. in what way is openbsd more secure than any other os? the "Secure by default" philosophy can apply to a number of linux distributions aswell, which similarly come with no daemons enabled. openbsd code has had a number of vulnerabilities aswell, no less than any other os with a similarly small set of default tools. people compare openbsd to redhat, but dont take into account the thousands of packages redhat comes with.. install and enable a similar number of things from the ports tree and see how secure it is then..
As for the ss20, its actually quad capable (look for ross dual hypersparc modules)... and 100mbit ethernet, even 100mb quadethernet cards are often for sale on ebay quite cheaply.
For all their so called security auditing, they failed to find several holes, most notably in openssh. Holes not only in older code, but holes in the new code added by the openbsd team themselves.. So you trust people who write insecure code themselves to audit existing code for security?
It`s not free atall, you need a non-free os to run the encoder and server, and you need a non-free os to act as a client. This is like the free mudflaps and carpets you get with a ford car, theyre not free atall because theyre useless without a ford to put them in.
What`s more, your actively shutting out the increasing number of users who are not using windows clients.
Real may not be perfect, but atleast they provide a player for a wide range of systems.
Sparc is a pretty open architecture, see www.sparc.org, sun arent the only sources of information, fujitsu produce sparc based machines too
openbsd outperforming solaris on a sparc machine? last time i tried openbsd (2.8) that was exactly the opposite of what happened, it was far less performant than solaris, and crashed several times.
So what next?r ub/GNU/ Linux ?
Intel/Maxtor/AmiBIOS/Nvidia/Via/Logitech/G
Afterall, the hardware is important too! And dont forget the firmware.
Which makes me wonder, why dont we have OpenBOOT/MACOSX, or OpenBOOT/Solaris, or maybe SRM/OpenVMS ? why not? because its stupid.. having a short name is much easier for people to refer to.
Aside from that, many people dont use grub to boot linux, and many other people use grub to boot other os`s such as windows.
X used to run well on an identical machine not so long ago, pity that modern toolchains (libc etc) and X is so much bigger than it used to be..
What`s the point of using VNC atall if you have X ?
X supports remote use natively, no need for a hack like vnc, and its sure a hell of a lot faster.
Whats more, X natively lets you export single apps at a time, without the overhead of a complete desktop and windowmanager, and the apps from one server integrate perfectly with the ones your running locally.
The sparc64 linux kernel handles 64bit sparc and 32bit sparc applications, the sparc64 version of solaris does the same. IRIX on 64bit MIPS does too, but i`m not sure about the mips64 port of linux. /usr/freeware/bin/galeon-bin: ELF N32 MSB mips-3 dynamic executable MIPS - version 1
Infact... I`m typing this right now on an IRIX64 machine running a 32bit version of galeon:
root@evil:~# file `which galeon-bin`
root@evil:~# uname -a
IRIX64 evil 6.5 07121149 IP30
If only this were the case, the itanium 2 is very different to the alpha.
Really they should have continued the alpha, instead of creating a new architecture... The alpha is the cleanest of all the 64bit architectures, and has always been the most performant, plus by using an existing architecture you would already have a software and user base.
The atari Jaguar had a 64bit graphics processor, just like a 486 does if you plug an S3 Trio64 card in...
The main processor of the jaguar was a Motorola 68000, a 32bit processor with 16bit external paths and 24bit addressing.
AFAIK the 68000 was a 32bit processor, with 24bit address bus and 16bit external bus. The later 68020 increased everything to 32bit.
However, the p4 actually has a 32bit address bus, with hacks to address 36bit space, but thats what it is.. a hack, the extra addressspace is not directly available to apps. There is also likely to be a performance hit when using these hacks..
Alpha`s used to ship with PowerStorm displaycards a few years ago, which at the time were able to completely destroy any pc displaycards in any benchmarks..
Modern alpha`s support AGP and PCI.. you could plug any displaycard in assuming you have drivers for it, and most drivers written for linux/x86 work fine on linux/alpha
No, but a similar product from someone else will surely make them offer a competitor, and do everything in their power to pound the competitor into the ground.
KDE makes an effort, by having a description next to the program names in its menu, this way people get to know what the program is really called, and what it does.
But microsoft already offer 2 versions of xp, pro and home.. and will likely be offering server and advanced server pretty soon too.
Are they going to sue everyone who suffers from Multiple Sclerosis (MS) for infringing on the trademarks too?
No, we just despise the way they got big with underhanded tactics and marketting rather than by spending all that time/effort on improving their products.
Wrong, microsoft invented the emailvirus and the macro virus.
Was there ever a mail client before lookout which allowed recieved emails to auto execute themselves?
There was already a programming language called E, it was for the amiga
Does that actually support authentication (ie, preventing unauthorized clients from connecting and taking a screendump of keystroking)
Many of the Xservers for windows dont support any way to prevent unauthorized ip`s from connecting.. Or almost as bad, have ALL hosts allowed by default.