There are good salesmen around. The problem is that they are few and far between - most only care about selling right now. A smart salesman will treat you right so you'll come back next week. But most are too stupid.
Don't ya think that virus writers are often anti-MS, and thus usually pro-linux? think of the recent ones - many have been either a) for profit spamming or b) "Hey world! MS sucks!".
Spammers want a million hosts. Going against linux is harder than Windows. and nobody writes a virus to infect linux hosts to tell them that MS sucks..
You probably are entirely unfamiliar with the case. But if MS stole your PATENTED ideas, i doubt you'd describe yourself as a "crybaby company" when you sued them.
Then something's broken. My OO starts up in about 5 seconds on a dual 600 MHz linux system. Yeah, it's dual - but one processor can only run at 600 MHz. *shrug* - OpenOffice works for me...
I've heard a (rumor?) posted over at Full-disclosure that mydoom actually writes to the Bios and several other things that no one else has discovered. Is this verified by anyone else?
This thread is mostly about how IE/win users are idiots, and what to do about it.
I think in the end, we need a new system.
In part, people are not perfect, they will make mistakes, and other people will exploit those mistakes.
What we need is centralized administration. A few smart guys with ssh fixing computers for everyone on a paying list of subscribers. I think it could work.
Computers are NOT for everyone. They aren't. No matter how much we try, they aren't yet. And we shouldn't try to make them be.
Computer companies, such as Microsoft and even some linux corps, want to sell a computer to every smart/stupid/bright/lazy/idiotic person in the world. They bill it as "user friendly" and "easy to run" which is the usual case - but the problem is that in the real world things break. And MS sure doesn't help then.
See, computers should only be given to people after they have shown a propensity to learn and the intention to continue to do so. To solve the problems that they can solve, and then ask for help.
If they choose not to do this, they should be greeted with RTFM! and pointed to the proper place. Life's rough, and people need to pull their own weight (or pay me to fix stuff for them).
For me, I'll fix a nice ol' lady's computer for a strawberry pie, it's worth it. I'll usually give people I know good rates ($20/hr) and fix my close family's computers for gratis.
This is why I think linux should be hard - so that you have to work a little to get in to "the club" and then continue to work to enjoy the benefits. People who don't work, well they can stick to windows and pay me to help them.
Any, techie question, Can you make certain devices on an install usable by only certain users? I mean amoungst over things, radio card, the sound card etc?
Is it just a question of vhanging the permissions on the devices?
I believe you can set the permissions on the device files. YAY Unix! everythign is a file! This way, if you have your modem at/dev/modem, and you set the perms right, only root or whatever will have permission.
The only time i have EVER had to re-compile to add a device was re-compiling NVIDIA drivers specifically to my hardware. The old "you have to recompile the kernel to add a new sound card" excuse is old, if that's what your'e trying to say.
The only problem is that as linux becomes more prolific/common, the new users WILL BE THE ADMINS. So...yeah...stupid admins = borken coompudars.
sandboxing exists in linux. It's what happens when you dont' run as root. You can't break everything on the system so long as the important directories aren't world or user writable.
The problem is that new users WILL be idiots, they WILL leave things open and vulnerable, they WILL NOT patch properly, so all the available security in the world will be worthless - users won't use it.
I pity microsoft - trying to get the masses to learn and implement real security is terribly difficult - if not impossible. I vote we stop trying to convert people to Linux so fast, and only take them in as fast as we can teach them to be secure and smart.
DRM sucks. We all know that. the only way anyone will buy it is if they are an idiot, or they are lied to by microsoft. Or MS just doesn't tell you its there, a la windows XP updates getting you neat DRM goodness. Or, you know, the whole "forced at gunpoint" thing...
Um. We have this already, right? You can run linux virtually in linux, to do just as you describe iin paragraph 3. You can run any kind of emulator for other OS's to run on. What else would you want again?
"..complete access to the hardware..."
That's the point of virtualization, etc. Access to the hardware breaks the security part of virtualization and emulation. If you can access memory just like you were the original operating system, then you ARE the operating system, and you can trash anything and everything running.
Done. Just figure out a good way for you to set hard drive priorities on the fly, and you're in. I imagine the scheduler is already builtin.
Because as I understand it, file requests are made for running programs...and running programs are prioritized. I bet if you re-ran you're "grinding" process at a good nice level, it would help a lot. So would enabling DMA.
It's actually a large field of kernel design: scheduling and disk access optimization.
Now, what you are talking about sounds more like a user-land problem. See, the thing is, every application uses the disk. So if you are doing anything at all, you are using the disk, and if you are running a disk-intensive operation alongside other "normal" programs, there probably won't be a whole lot of time that you could get by writing some sort of new disk scheduler. The current system is pretty good, if you have good drive connections and priorities set properly ("man nice").
Finally, have you tried any variant of 2.6?
--I think all of this is correct, but then i don't know everything...
There are so many clueless people on slashdot, it is amazing. I want a linux kernel that will write source code for me! I know it's possible!!!
Seriously though, from an "idiot user" prospective, ripping drivers out of the kernel sounds smart. Except, they don't understand the difference between a NIC driver, a Printer Driver, a video driver, a USB Mouse driver, and all the various and sundry things each needs to do to get anything done.
First off, on the Linux-on-the-Desktop bit...umm...that has nothing to do with the Kernel. Second...Go get Mepis, install it, and voila! linux on the desktop, all nice and pretty and just as easy to use as windows - more so, if you tweak the menus and icons to make obvious exactly what does what - "AIM Client," "Web Browser," etc. Linux. IS. Ready.
It's just that no one knows it yet.
Second off, for applications that arent' "l33t" like mozilla. well..just use mozilla...without all the neat tabbing, yadda yadd. No one said you had to use tabbed browsing. You cant' tell me that Evolution isn't a decent Outlook clone either.
if only this was the last time anyone ever had to point out that linux was ready to be an office, Secretary-can-use-it system. Or, if you want, Mom-can-use-it system.
Now, if it only had every little app that windows has...
"Why on earth would anyone want another UNIX clone for PC? It's just a geeky thing, no? It's like a virus: create a new operating system every time we turn around. We've already got BSD, and Minix, and Xenix, etc! The HURD will probably be done in the next 6 months. what's the point, really?"
Next time you call a project a waste of time, remember all the people who have said all those things about every other neat project.
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There are good salesmen around. The problem is that they are few and far between - most only care about selling right now. A smart salesman will treat you right so you'll come back next week. But most are too stupid.
Don't ya think that virus writers are often anti-MS, and thus usually pro-linux? think of the recent ones - many have been either a) for profit spamming or b) "Hey world! MS sucks!" .
Spammers want a million hosts. Going against linux is harder than Windows. and nobody writes a virus to infect linux hosts to tell them that MS sucks..
You probably are entirely unfamiliar with the case. But if MS stole your PATENTED ideas, i doubt you'd describe yourself as a "crybaby company" when you sued them.
I'm pretty sure you can do that. Google for changing the color, and I imagine the text is Hex in a kernel file somewhere.
A little time with hexedit and explorer.exe and you're probably good.
I'd enjoy it. IBM v. MS, the legal battle of the century. Think about it. What if MS loses? What would the IBM counter-sue look like?
OH, YEAH. That would be like WWE Battle Royale for Geeks or something.
I'd still use linux. Screw MS.
again, slashdot detective work finds the truth... g/j
Linus torvalds said he and Bill Gates are both among the best at what they do.
Linus manages a massive online coding project.
Bill runs a business.
Then something's broken. My OO starts up in about 5 seconds on a dual 600 MHz linux system. Yeah, it's dual - but one processor can only run at 600 MHz. *shrug* - OpenOffice works for me...
I've heard a (rumor?) posted over at Full-disclosure that mydoom actually writes to the Bios and several other things that no one else has discovered. Is this verified by anyone else?
You can read the message here.
This thread is mostly about how IE/win users are idiots, and what to do about it.
I think in the end, we need a new system.
In part, people are not perfect, they will make mistakes, and other people will exploit those mistakes.
What we need is centralized administration. A few smart guys with ssh fixing computers for everyone on a paying list of subscribers. I think it could work.
But in celebration of being 0wn3d, this week it's Wednesday also.
Thanks man...made me laugh out loud in this computer lab. You just made it into my quotes file...
You, my friend, have got it.
Computers are NOT for everyone. They aren't. No matter how much we try, they aren't yet. And we shouldn't try to make them be.
Computer companies, such as Microsoft and even some linux corps, want to sell a computer to every smart/stupid/bright/lazy/idiotic person in the world. They bill it as "user friendly" and "easy to run" which is the usual case - but the problem is that in the real world things break. And MS sure doesn't help then.
Ever read the Tech-Slacky Howto? Read it, it's brilliant.
See, computers should only be given to people after they have shown a propensity to learn and the intention to continue to do so. To solve the problems that they can solve, and then ask for help.
If they choose not to do this, they should be greeted with RTFM! and pointed to the proper place. Life's rough, and people need to pull their own weight (or pay me to fix stuff for them).
For me, I'll fix a nice ol' lady's computer for a strawberry pie, it's worth it. I'll usually give people I know good rates ($20/hr) and fix my close family's computers for gratis.
This is why I think linux should be hard - so that you have to work a little to get in to "the club" and then continue to work to enjoy the benefits. People who don't work, well they can stick to windows and pay me to help them.
You can use QT as long as your applications are non-commercial, as I recall. You could always RTFL - Read teh Friendly License.
2.6 does. Linux-on-linux virtualization. w00t.
Now for some hot-grits pourin', linux-on-linux action!! Oh BABY!
Any, techie question, Can you make certain devices on an install usable by only certain users? I mean amoungst over things, radio card, the sound card etc?
/dev/modem, and you set the perms right, only root or whatever will have permission.
Is it just a question of vhanging the permissions on the devices?
I believe you can set the permissions on the device files. YAY Unix! everythign is a file! This way, if you have your modem at
It's pretty neat when you think about it...
The only time i have EVER had to re-compile to add a device was re-compiling NVIDIA drivers specifically to my hardware. The old "you have to recompile the kernel to add a new sound card" excuse is old, if that's what your'e trying to say.
Yeah, that would be neat. But easy to break.
.config file for next time...
You could just get the configuration that you like, and save the
The only problem is that as linux becomes more prolific/common, the new users WILL BE THE ADMINS. So...yeah...stupid admins = borken coompudars.
sandboxing exists in linux. It's what happens when you dont' run as root. You can't break everything on the system so long as the important directories aren't world or user writable.
The problem is that new users WILL be idiots, they WILL leave things open and vulnerable, they WILL NOT patch properly, so all the available security in the world will be worthless - users won't use it.
I pity microsoft - trying to get the masses to learn and implement real security is terribly difficult - if not impossible. I vote we stop trying to convert people to Linux so fast, and only take them in as fast as we can teach them to be secure and smart.
DRM sucks. We all know that. the only way anyone will buy it is if they are an idiot, or they are lied to by microsoft. Or MS just doesn't tell you its there, a la windows XP updates getting you neat DRM goodness. Or, you know, the whole "forced at gunpoint" thing...
Um. We have this already, right? You can run linux virtually in linux, to do just as you describe iin paragraph 3. You can run any kind of emulator for other OS's to run on. What else would you want again?
"..complete access to the hardware..."
That's the point of virtualization, etc. Access to the hardware breaks the security part of virtualization and emulation. If you can access memory just like you were the original operating system, then you ARE the operating system, and you can trash anything and everything running.
Done. Just figure out a good way for you to set hard drive priorities on the fly, and you're in. I imagine the scheduler is already builtin.
Because as I understand it, file requests are made for running programs...and running programs are prioritized. I bet if you re-ran you're "grinding" process at a good nice level, it would help a lot. So would enabling DMA.
It's actually a large field of kernel design: scheduling and disk access optimization.
Now, what you are talking about sounds more like a user-land problem. See, the thing is, every application uses the disk. So if you are doing anything at all, you are using the disk, and if you are running a disk-intensive operation alongside other "normal" programs, there probably won't be a whole lot of time that you could get by writing some sort of new disk scheduler. The current system is pretty good, if you have good drive connections and priorities set properly ("man nice").
Finally, have you tried any variant of 2.6?
--I think all of this is correct, but then i don't know everything...
There are so many clueless people on slashdot, it is amazing. I want a linux kernel that will write source code for me! I know it's possible!!!
Seriously though, from an "idiot user" prospective, ripping drivers out of the kernel sounds smart. Except, they don't understand the difference between a NIC driver, a Printer Driver, a video driver, a USB Mouse driver, and all the various and sundry things each needs to do to get anything done.
*sigh*.
Man...I don't know where to begin.
First off, on the Linux-on-the-Desktop bit...umm...that has nothing to do with the Kernel. Second...Go get Mepis, install it, and voila! linux on the desktop, all nice and pretty and just as easy to use as windows - more so, if you tweak the menus and icons to make obvious exactly what does what - "AIM Client," "Web Browser," etc. Linux. IS. Ready.
It's just that no one knows it yet.
Second off, for applications that arent' "l33t" like mozilla. well..just use mozilla...without all the neat tabbing, yadda yadd. No one said you had to use tabbed browsing. You cant' tell me that Evolution isn't a decent Outlook clone either.
if only this was the last time anyone ever had to point out that linux was ready to be an office, Secretary-can-use-it system. Or, if you want, Mom-can-use-it system.
Now, if it only had every little app that windows has...
go download yourself mandrake 9.2...you can find kernel-2.6.test5 in contrib's. If you mean standard, well, wait until the next round...
you may instead want to do: #!/bin/bash
/bin/true; /dev/null ;
while
do
wget -r -l10 http://www.sco.com -O
done
exit 0; # really unnecessary
Yeah, i know, there's grammar nazis, and spelling nazis...and now, code nazis.
As some one might have said, 10 years ago:
"Why on earth would anyone want another UNIX clone for PC? It's just a geeky thing, no? It's like a virus: create a new operating system every time we turn around. We've already got BSD, and Minix, and Xenix, etc! The HURD will probably be done in the next 6 months. what's the point, really?"
Next time you call a project a waste of time, remember all the people who have said all those things about every other neat project.