Try using *nix sometime? Virtual desktops != Multiple desktops. Yes in xp there is a powertoy for multiple desktop support. Have you tried using it? It's horrific. Mature virtual desktop support doesn't have issue with showing more apps in a taskbar that are viewable on THAT desktop. Also, lets talk about edge flipping, customizable virtual desktops (do you want a 3x2?) Grab fluxbox or enlightenment or any other *nix wm that supports virtual and multiple desktops and you'll instantly see the difference, and then cry at how cluttered a windows system looks and feels.
I think it is easy to say my productivity is worst in windows. Simply factoring in maintaince time, viruses, spyware, crashing, rebooting, formatting and reinstalling, etc. Now I'm sure some of you have no problems with windows and it works great blah blah blah, good for you, to each their own.
Overall my best workspace is something with virtual desktops. I've used such a setup across more linux distros than I care to count and on my OpenBSD workstation that I presently type from as well as my FreeBSD laptop and work system. I use enlightment and that is simply because it was the first wm I used that was configurable such that I had 0 complaints with it. Now I can't say anything about OS X as I own no macs (something I hope to correct with a mini.) *bsd seems to give me the least amount of hassle and post-setup I can just use the computer instead of maintaining it.
On the server side of the world it depends. Debian is by far the best to maintain due to apt-get and takes the least amount of time. For peace of mind on the shell server I run it is OpenBSD (stack overflow protection, heap corruption protection, etc. READ: even if an exploit exists worst case it should only be able to crash a program not let anyone gain access.)
You have to be kidding. At my former company they had 2 windows admins and those guys were busy non-stop. "My outlook is broken." "The internet is down." "I opened a virus attachment [that the virus scanner didn't detect]." You name it but for the 48 people there they couldn't have even gotten away with just 1 admin.
You can have a dialog box that says "CLICKING YES WILL INFECT YOUR COMPUTER AND WIPE YOUR FILES ARE YOU SURE?" and users will almost always click yes. To make it worse many mouse drivers and I believe winxp let you set the mouse to automatically appear over any ok boxes.
That's just not possible. Worms need hosts to spread to. As you kill off hosts, the spread lessons. Plus people may have had their computers off a few days. You'd need to create some sort of worm to take over all hosts...then be able to send a kill command. In which case your just talking about a worm propogating a trojan. Though, maybe I can dream about such a thing existing tonight:)
I didn't see anyone complaining about the kde dependency on libqt. libqt IS NOT FREE Software. It is released under a dual license QPL. It is GPL'ed in some cases. In the event that you want to release bsd licensed code that uses libqt...you must buy a commercial QT license. On windows linking against qt is even more restrictive!
In theory once it is GPL'ed...it is GPL'ed. Legally (IANAL) dual licensing adds restrictions on top of the GPL and would most likely fail in court. However, no one knows for sure on any of this so the best thing to do is steer clear of dual licenses. (Mysql is all dual licensed by the commercial clause is no where near as restrictive.)
Linux is a monolithic kernel. To be an rtos you usually start with a microkernel: Qnx, VxWorks, Hurd. In order to turn linux into an rtos they would have to rework it from the ground up. In addition they would have to completely break backward compatability. A popular RTOS that can be consumed by the masses would be nice. It would allowing upgrading the OS without rebooting, guaranteed processor time, nearly instant booting, better security, better reliability, and tons more. All the patches appear to do is attempt to get linux to pre-emtively multitask correctly. This by no means will make linux a real time os.
Well, technically the db backend in access, not the system itself. The amusing thing about access is it supports subselects! There isn't a release of mysql that does this yet.
As much as we all hate access, it may have been an ok choice for this. At least there isn't a slammer worm for access. Given the choice between access and ms sql server for our voting machines, I guess access isn't so bad.
Though, user permissions on the db is probably something to worry about.
I would certainly agree with you. Many of us who were anti-Intel and wanted a competitor constantly hoped that AMD would produce something better. The same anti-Microsoft sentiment that Linux users continue to enjoy windows take hits from security, stability, etc.
I do know Intel is historically good at releasing all the documentation needed for developers. But AMD seems to have gotten more people excited about 64bit processors. Though, AMD's 64bit chip actually has per page locking on it (something no other x86 chip can boast.) Also, the 64bit windows xp isn't out yet, so performance is obviously better with the linux+AMD choice over windows+AMD.
hrm cd/usr/ports/x11-wm/enlightenment && make install
oh it worked what do you know. Don't waste your time with gentoo's attempt at a knock off of the *bsd ports collection. Get the original that works!
Saying dependencies are annoying is admitting you either run slackware or run a system without decent package management.
It's cool to see E is still alive. I've been using it as my wm for many years and haven't found anything else that does virtual desktops just the way I enjoy them. Does anyone know if they fixed the mozilla related focus bugs?
try again, just because java has a gc does not mean no memory leaks. Quite the opposite. There are many companies that have products to look for memory leaks in java applications. In fact IMO it is more tedious than malloc'ing and free'ing the memory. You don't allocate it but you better be sure to drop all references (such as closing db connections.)
Oh and i'm sure fiddling with getting the neccessary jars and adjusting your classpath is lots easier than worrying about such tedious things as header files, please!
Uh since when did we have "good" commercial software? I've got mod points but I couldn't resist responding to your comment. Corporations 99% of the time pick fast and cheap. I lament the fact that we never are allowed the time to do things correctly. Software out of almost every company is massive hack on massive hack followed by massive rewrite due to lack of doing it right the first time.
stop spreading fud. They do sell support contracts. The patches are freely available. In fact check out their security matrix. It lists all the known problems, versions effected, and suggests a patch or upgrade to get.
no.
Not only is it security through obscurity, but it slows down connections. ie: you have to go through the handshake sequence to start the connection. It's mostly a substitute for people keeping their patches up to date. Don't expect the NSA to use this anytime soon.
"Well as the technology is adopted more widely a thief could conceivably mark down the price of an expensive piece of jewelry before paying for it at an automated checkout counter"
Weren't these same objections raised for bar codes? Bar codes have cost stores billions of dollars and the collapse of the US economy is near! Please!
Seriously! They might be the only group to advocate giving this to everyone. Just wait for the anti-prostitute vaccine or genes and the anti-copyright theft gene. Speaking of copyright is the MPAA or RIAA backing this? The only halfway legit use though would seem to be someone who is a repeat drug offender. Still though seems like a giant infringement on civil liberty.
Moon bounce isn't something that one can conjure up at will with the flip of a switch. The amateur radio stations doing moonbounce have uber high gain directional antennas and pump 1.5kw (1500 watts), maximum legal power, into them. What you get back is a signal so faint that you then use various pre-amps and notch filtering to pull the signal out of the noise. I was fairly certain moon bounce on ham bands was limited to CW (contious wave aka morse code.) (Morse code takes a very minimal amount of bandwith and thus the power is focused instead of scattered across a large portion of spectrum.) iirc when the government did moonbounce they would pump something more to the order of 500kW.
This would be something to help drive down the cost. Quantum computing on the desktop would finally be a evolutionary step in computing. (Up'ing clockspeed constantly and decreasing chip size is not evolutionary.)
Though, quantum computing on the desktop probably means time to stop using passwords due to sheer power to brute force them.
oh I understand completely. Actually RMS isn't opposed to the bsd license (sans advertising clause) and the license is FSF approved but they recommend against using it. So we're both right? Most of the time the licensing isn't a big deal. Also, RMS disapproves of things with more restrictions as you say but he also disapproves of things which cannot guarantee their perpetual freedom: READ bsd license. (My rms background besides reading was a several hour talk by him as well as hanging out with him after said talk.) The fact that php isn't gpl'ed is mostly irrelevent. You deploy/sale/release an application that uses php. I haven't heard of anyone wanting to rewriting the php engine and sale or release that. In fact it is probably better this is not possible as divergent zend engines would make for a world of hurt.
My intent was not to troll or spread fud, more like spread the message of how pointless the thread was/is.
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Try using *nix sometime? Virtual desktops != Multiple desktops. Yes in xp there is a powertoy for multiple desktop support. Have you tried using it? It's horrific. Mature virtual desktop support doesn't have issue with showing more apps in a taskbar that are viewable on THAT desktop. Also, lets talk about edge flipping, customizable virtual desktops (do you want a 3x2?) Grab fluxbox or enlightenment or any other *nix wm that supports virtual and multiple desktops and you'll instantly see the difference, and then cry at how cluttered a windows system looks and feels.
I think it is easy to say my productivity is worst in windows. Simply factoring in maintaince time, viruses, spyware, crashing, rebooting, formatting and reinstalling, etc. Now I'm sure some of you have no problems with windows and it works great blah blah blah, good for you, to each their own. Overall my best workspace is something with virtual desktops. I've used such a setup across more linux distros than I care to count and on my OpenBSD workstation that I presently type from as well as my FreeBSD laptop and work system. I use enlightment and that is simply because it was the first wm I used that was configurable such that I had 0 complaints with it. Now I can't say anything about OS X as I own no macs (something I hope to correct with a mini.) *bsd seems to give me the least amount of hassle and post-setup I can just use the computer instead of maintaining it. On the server side of the world it depends. Debian is by far the best to maintain due to apt-get and takes the least amount of time. For peace of mind on the shell server I run it is OpenBSD (stack overflow protection, heap corruption protection, etc. READ: even if an exploit exists worst case it should only be able to crash a program not let anyone gain access.)
You have to be kidding. At my former company they had 2 windows admins and those guys were busy non-stop. "My outlook is broken." "The internet is down." "I opened a virus attachment [that the virus scanner didn't detect]." You name it but for the 48 people there they couldn't have even gotten away with just 1 admin.
You can have a dialog box that says "CLICKING YES WILL INFECT YOUR COMPUTER AND WIPE YOUR FILES ARE YOU SURE?" and users will almost always click yes. To make it worse many mouse drivers and I believe winxp let you set the mouse to automatically appear over any ok boxes.
Something compiled is a good start, try J2EE for server side applications. Hell I'd even prefer mod_perl over php.
That's just not possible. Worms need hosts to spread to. As you kill off hosts, the spread lessons. Plus people may have had their computers off a few days. You'd need to create some sort of worm to take over all hosts...then be able to send a kill command. In which case your just talking about a worm propogating a trojan. Though, maybe I can dream about such a thing existing tonight :)
I didn't see anyone complaining about the kde dependency on libqt. libqt IS NOT FREE Software. It is released under a dual license QPL. It is GPL'ed in some cases. In the event that you want to release bsd licensed code that uses libqt...you must buy a commercial QT license. On windows linking against qt is even more restrictive! In theory once it is GPL'ed...it is GPL'ed. Legally (IANAL) dual licensing adds restrictions on top of the GPL and would most likely fail in court. However, no one knows for sure on any of this so the best thing to do is steer clear of dual licenses. (Mysql is all dual licensed by the commercial clause is no where near as restrictive.)
Linux is a monolithic kernel. To be an rtos you usually start with a microkernel: Qnx, VxWorks, Hurd. In order to turn linux into an rtos they would have to rework it from the ground up. In addition they would have to completely break backward compatability. A popular RTOS that can be consumed by the masses would be nice. It would allowing upgrading the OS without rebooting, guaranteed processor time, nearly instant booting, better security, better reliability, and tons more. All the patches appear to do is attempt to get linux to pre-emtively multitask correctly. This by no means will make linux a real time os.
4.1 is a dev release and I'm sure not going to use it in a production environment.
Well, technically the db backend in access, not the system itself. The amusing thing about access is it supports subselects! There isn't a release of mysql that does this yet. As much as we all hate access, it may have been an ok choice for this. At least there isn't a slammer worm for access. Given the choice between access and ms sql server for our voting machines, I guess access isn't so bad. Though, user permissions on the db is probably something to worry about.
I would certainly agree with you. Many of us who were anti-Intel and wanted a competitor constantly hoped that AMD would produce something better. The same anti-Microsoft sentiment that Linux users continue to enjoy windows take hits from security, stability, etc. I do know Intel is historically good at releasing all the documentation needed for developers. But AMD seems to have gotten more people excited about 64bit processors. Though, AMD's 64bit chip actually has per page locking on it (something no other x86 chip can boast.) Also, the 64bit windows xp isn't out yet, so performance is obviously better with the linux+AMD choice over windows+AMD.
uh they try for a 2week schedule. I would say they are better at missing their 2week release schedule than making it.
I think you have your %'s off a tad. I've consistantly seen stats that put spam of US origin at 70% or higher!
hrm cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/enlightenment && make install
oh it worked what do you know. Don't waste your time with gentoo's attempt at a knock off of the *bsd ports collection. Get the original that works!
Saying dependencies are annoying is admitting you either run slackware or run a system without decent package management.
It's cool to see E is still alive. I've been using it as my wm for many years and haven't found anything else that does virtual desktops just the way I enjoy them. Does anyone know if they fixed the mozilla related focus bugs?
Are there any other similar DF events like this with wifi? I did amateur radio DF some years back and it is certainly entertaining.
try again, just because java has a gc does not mean no memory leaks. Quite the opposite. There are many companies that have products to look for memory leaks in java applications. In fact IMO it is more tedious than malloc'ing and free'ing the memory. You don't allocate it but you better be sure to drop all references (such as closing db connections.) Oh and i'm sure fiddling with getting the neccessary jars and adjusting your classpath is lots easier than worrying about such tedious things as header files, please!
Uh since when did we have "good" commercial software? I've got mod points but I couldn't resist responding to your comment. Corporations 99% of the time pick fast and cheap. I lament the fact that we never are allowed the time to do things correctly. Software out of almost every company is massive hack on massive hack followed by massive rewrite due to lack of doing it right the first time.
stop spreading fud. They do sell support contracts. The patches are freely available. In fact check out their security matrix. It lists all the known problems, versions effected, and suggests a patch or upgrade to get.
no. Not only is it security through obscurity, but it slows down connections. ie: you have to go through the handshake sequence to start the connection. It's mostly a substitute for people keeping their patches up to date. Don't expect the NSA to use this anytime soon.
"Well as the technology is adopted more widely a thief could conceivably mark down the price of an expensive piece of jewelry before paying for it at an automated checkout counter" Weren't these same objections raised for bar codes? Bar codes have cost stores billions of dollars and the collapse of the US economy is near! Please!
Seriously! They might be the only group to advocate giving this to everyone. Just wait for the anti-prostitute vaccine or genes and the anti-copyright theft gene. Speaking of copyright is the MPAA or RIAA backing this? The only halfway legit use though would seem to be someone who is a repeat drug offender. Still though seems like a giant infringement on civil liberty.
Moon bounce isn't something that one can conjure up at will with the flip of a switch. The amateur radio stations doing moonbounce have uber high gain directional antennas and pump 1.5kw (1500 watts), maximum legal power, into them. What you get back is a signal so faint that you then use various pre-amps and notch filtering to pull the signal out of the noise. I was fairly certain moon bounce on ham bands was limited to CW (contious wave aka morse code.) (Morse code takes a very minimal amount of bandwith and thus the power is focused instead of scattered across a large portion of spectrum.) iirc when the government did moonbounce they would pump something more to the order of 500kW.
This would be something to help drive down the cost. Quantum computing on the desktop would finally be a evolutionary step in computing. (Up'ing clockspeed constantly and decreasing chip size is not evolutionary.) Though, quantum computing on the desktop probably means time to stop using passwords due to sheer power to brute force them.
oh I understand completely. Actually RMS isn't opposed to the bsd license (sans advertising clause) and the license is FSF approved but they recommend against using it. So we're both right? Most of the time the licensing isn't a big deal. Also, RMS disapproves of things with more restrictions as you say but he also disapproves of things which cannot guarantee their perpetual freedom: READ bsd license. (My rms background besides reading was a several hour talk by him as well as hanging out with him after said talk.) The fact that php isn't gpl'ed is mostly irrelevent. You deploy/sale/release an application that uses php. I haven't heard of anyone wanting to rewriting the php engine and sale or release that. In fact it is probably better this is not possible as divergent zend engines would make for a world of hurt. My intent was not to troll or spread fud, more like spread the message of how pointless the thread was/is.