I am not a Java programmer and am by no means an expert at all, however I have a question that perhaps the experts can answer (this is not a flame nor flamebait -- it is a valid question that I have always had, asked many times, read a lot about and still can't find a good answer to). What are the merits of using Java? Why is Java so special? I have asked this question to many Java developers and I never get a good answer.
The answers I typically get are not related to the programming *language* at all, but the organization and "java culture":
1) "Java classes are well-organized and well-documented and all-in-one-place." Not a language mertit! You can learn C++ classes as well.
2) "Java stops you from your own stupidity by not allowing pointers and has garbage collection." If you REALLY hated pointers that much you could write C++ code without pointers and write your own garbage collector (not to mention that LISP does garbage collection too -- nothing new).
3) "Java is cross-platform." I haven't seen too many implementations when cross-platform is needed at run-time. The browser cross-platform stuff seems to have died in the browser wars and Java incompatibilities in browser implementations, thus most Java developers that I know are making JSPs. You know the platform of your server (it won't randomly change without you knowing) so why not write in a higher-level language such as C++ and skip all the platform-dependant code (or do ifdefs) and have it run natively faster? If your platform changes you just re-compile. ..this article about native Java code is just this. . .
4) "Java has a cross-platform GUI". So is GTK and QT.
5) "Java is easy to learn". I'll skip that.
6) "Java has javabeans, etc". Not a language merit!
Other then the "java culture" and the fact that it's libraries are well organized, what are the real-world (not theoretical) merits to Java? Why program in Java when you can achieve the same result faster in another language? This is a serious question that has plagued me for years and I would love a good answer if anyone has one. It is a little off-topic however it does relate to the article because the article promotes killing one of the valid merits that I know of for Java (cross-platform).
I've been thinking about that for years. There are a few papers on that, too. ..I can't find them off-hand.
Two useful things that I thought of for that are:
1) Free air-conditioning
2) Use as an intercooler for turbocharged engines.
The problem with ammonia, however (and the reason why they stopped making propane-run absorption refrigerators a long time ago) is that under certain conditions I guess ammonia is explosive and not to mention not too good for you:).
But I don't know much for IANAC (I am not a chemist). If anyone knows anything about this (even though it is edging on off-topic) I would love to hear a discussion as I have pondered this a LOT. . .
"Finally, an alternative! I for one, am sick of the hacked up kludge that is modern Intel/IBM PC hardware."
I thought the same thing when I got an Alpha motherboard. Far superior architecture and it didn't have the added weight of all the legacy junk. Heck, DEC even gave schematics for the whole board! That was beyond cool (to this day I am still saddened that DEC went away).
Then came the support issues. Even under Linux some of the most basic stuff was not 'yet' supported on the Alpha. That and I had PCI problems because DEC's implementation was 'slightly' different. Sure, DEC UNIX and VMS worked fine, but I would be stuck with all DEC hardware. I ended up going back to x86 after hacking with it for 6 months.
Moral of the story: x86 may be a bogged-down leagacy beast, but the massive support for it make it easier to set-up and maintain the even a streamlined intelligent Aplha -- as much as I would not like to admit it:).
"nobody on the highway is allowed to drive faster than the slowest car"
HTML e-mail is not a speed issue; it is a compatability issue. A more apt analogy would be:
Since Cadillac has come out with their night-vision ability on the Deville, Cadillac users may not have to use thier headlights at night time however they have to still use headlight at night so that *other* people can see them. If a Cadillac user decided to use this new feature exclusively, it may give that driver more flexinbility and perhaps force other car manufacturers to equip thier cars with this innovation but in the mean time anyone who does *not* have night vision may not be able to use the road because of safety concerns.
In most cases I don't care if mail is HTML formatted, however those times I use pine it annoys the hell out of me. When I'm a pine user HTML mail forces me off the road just like the Cadillac user who does not run his headlights would force non-night-vision drivers off the road, however if the Cadillac user uses his headlights it would cost him little but allow everyone to use the road. Same with plain text. The cost is little but allows everyone to read the mail.
That is why all my mail is plain-text. The only usable gains by using HTML that I can think of is bold, italics, underline, font size and font color. The rest can be handled by attachments. The gain is minimal at the expense of readers who aren't using HTML mail readers all the time. If the gain were much higher I would be less inclined to give an argument.
"Started in 1993". ..I hadn't realized wine is that old. ..it's almost as old as windows itself. . .
I also hadn't realized that wine was nearing 1.0. ..the last time I used it was in '96 and at the time it served only as a cool novelty. I think I spent a few hours setting it up just to run notepad off of a windows share and then xhost it via Exceed back over to the same windows machine it was shared from. Hey. ..I had to have somthing to amuse me for all that work:).
I'll have to give it a shot again some time soon. . .
Hmm. ..photography is considered art and changing such things as color and medium that the picture is presented on is considered artistic.
In this case he completely changed the medium, the color and thus the representation.
From the art classes that I've taken this fits into what I was taught art is. Whether it is good art or not is completely subjective. I have seen art that is just a blue triangle on a white sheet of paper. I accept it as art, but reject that it is good art.
I don't have any obsession with Flockheart, but I would hang that on my wall. It's damn cool.
Not that it makes it right, but squid can handle them (at lest the version I run). The killer is white spaces in a URL for which you have to use the "uri_whitespace" option in squid.conf for it to work.
I remember an option in Solaris 7 that lets you dump memory to swap, shut down the computer and when you restart it reads swap and drops you back into the exact same state as you were in before.
Pretty cool because you could restore to a full X-session with all the programs and documents you were working on before undisturbed.
I don't know if this is what you were looking for. . .
" It's beautifully animated and full of exciting fight scenes. The big story, though, with the prophesy and crazy powerful people doing crazy things, is just plain stupid, with really overdone and tiresome religious/philosophical angst."
I'm not an anime nut and haven't seen too many anime movies, however every anime movie that I have seen has been exactly what you just described. I was starting to think that what you mention was a description of the genre. . .
"was nominated to the United States Supreme Court by President Ronald Reagan"
Damn. I think this is the first conservative that actually interprets conservatism for the people. I am impressed.
Generally most conservatived *cough* Bush interprets "small government" as "laissez-faire" which then they perverse into "leave big corporations alone even if they have a monopoly" in and Adam-Smithian belief that "The Invisible Hand" will fix everything. Of course they don't argue because it also fixes their wallets.
It is VERY nice to see a person interpret small government as NOT laissez-faire economics. If the whole Republican party went by that ideology I would vote for them every time.
One way around this is use a SOCKS & http proxies and have socks clients on all the computers. Granted it's a pain to set up and use but it's harder to detect:
1) The TCP sequence number thingy is not a problem because your connection terminates at your proxy and then the proxy makes a connection out. All seuquence numbers are that of the proxy.
2) TTL is not an issue; the TTL will be that of the proxy.
3) OS fingerprinting will not be a problem because the fingerprint will be that of the proxy.
The only issue that I see is is port #s -- there's somthing a little fishy about the number of high port numbers used and of course content-relted stuff -- if a Javascript reports your IP.
So thus your "stealth NAT" is just a SOCKS proxy. It's just a pain to set up. ...
It shows that roughly only 60% of the population was covered in 1960 inthe FBI crime reporting database while today it is closer to 100%. Furthermore before about 1975 a good portion of the states were not reporting crime directly to the FBI.
This does not directly prove what I was stating (I don't want to make a thesis about this -- I already did the research paper a long time ago), however from this pdf it is evident that before 1960 the numbers reported to the FBI hardly reflected the whole and the accuracy did not start to get very good until about 1980.
Incidentally 1980 was one of the years with the highest crime rates reported. Does this reflect the population or technology in crime tracking?
That is just the numbers. Mix in the socioligical aspects of 'when to report crime' and 'when it is a family / personal / manly thing that should / should not be taken care of at the lowest level without the police' and the numbers start swaying around like crazy.
Comparing crame statistics from one year to the next consecutive one can tell you a lot; comparing them over decades is worthless because accounting changes rapidly and reporting changes, too, with social ideology.
smpeg is a good point, however the problem with avifile and mplayer is that they use Windows binaries. I haven't tried it but I would imagine that they're not very cross patform (and KDE is cross platform) and the windows binaries they use are not GPL meaning that distros such as Mandrake or RedHat may have an issue including them. In the future I guess both plan to roll their own rather then using Windows, but for now that is the case.
Does avifile or mplayer work on a SPARC, PPC or Alpha without emulation? I don't think they would but I haven't tried it. . .
I've been using KDE3 beta for a while now and I'm impressed. The rate of radical change between KDE1 and KDE2 is not the same as between KDE2 and KDE3 -- the feature slope seems to be tapering off and speed and stability are improving.
A few notes that I've noticed:
* KDE3 is faster then KDE2, however it is still not as fast as Windows.
* Konqueror has had some major improvments in HTML renedering. Very nice. No major new features. With this release Konqueror is becoming my favorite web browser.
* The regular expression engine is AWESOME. I can search web pages (and anything KDE for that matter) with regular expressions now. Very very cool feature.
* There were some changes in the clipboard that I haven't quite figured out. ..middle-mouse-button pasting no longer works but I'm sure there's a config for it somewhere I havn't found yet.
* Tool-bars are rippable now. Very cool.
* A few new GUI pretty things
* A few app crashes -- that's expected in Beta, though.
Nothing radically new, however I appreciate and am impressed by the increase of maturity in KDE3.
The only thing I have to wait for now is to have a few KDE apps mature a little more. I still use many gnome apps under KDE because they're a little more mature.
Your right, I was off-topic. ..I couldn't help the urge after the Unixware off-topic thread. I'll just round-up here.
"BTW, if you think it's easy to maintain an entire OS distribution with a team that small, try it sometime"
I can only imagine. I didn't realize that the team was that small. Ironically I've probably been in contact with you in the past. Trying to support 150 of these SCO boxen alone and trying to get them to play nice with Solaris, Linux, and Tru64 was no small feat either.
I'm sorry for my SCO flame. I've tried to discuss OS on./ before and no one ws interested so I went on the verge of flaming just to see if anyone else here actually ever used OS5. It is cool to see that one of the engineers answered.
I think my fustration with the OS has more to do with trying to get it to work properly for people who expect the usability of Solaris 7 on OS5 as well as seamless integration which is not possible from an OS that old (automount/NFS/NIS caused SO many problems between all these hosts) and was just plain living hell. Like any admin the person gets blamed for OS problems and incompatibilities and SCO being the weakest link I came to detest it. I hadn't realized that active development on OS5 stopped in 1993 however in light of that I'm amazed that it is still sold [at a hefty price nonetheless] and that support has not EOLed -- supporting somthing that old must be living hell for you guys. SCO had tried to convince my company to move over to Unixware a long time ago but they would not budge. Fear of the unknown.
The ELF thing was my mistake. I remebered compiling emacs for somthing and I had to do COFF shared libraries. ..I thought it was OS.
I admit, as ugly as it was to work on OS5 it was rock solid after it was tuned properly, however it is like buying a Plymoth Valari today -- the slant 6 was rock solid but the caberator needs tuing once in a while. The people I supported expected electronic fuel injection, per say, perfect running at the turn of the key and have it perform as well as a 2000 Nissan Maxima. Thus the fustration.
SCO Open Server is 10x worse then Unixware. Don't even get me started:).
A few notes:
* No ELF shared libraries (COFF)
* No loadable kernel modules (manually re-link the kernel for every new driver).
* No kmalloc function for many kernel buffers; if you over-run a buffer you have to change the kernel header files, re-link and pray you don't over-run them again.
* Many functions that should be in shared libraries are hacked to hell; for instance some NFS functions for "ls" are in ls itself rather then libc. GNU ls does not work with NFS directories on Open Server because of this.
* They just implemented a dhcp client in Open Server about a year ago.
[Necessary MS jibe] But hey, what can you expect from somthing that used to be a Microsoft product [Xenix].
From what I could tell most of the SCO messiness came from a hacked merger of System V and System III into Open Server 5. What kills me about OpenServer is that it is STILL heavily used by the telco industry. A former company that I worked with looked at Linux but stuck with SCO Open Server because of "support" concerns.
To the point:
I'm just waiting for Caldera to Open-Source Open Server so that the whole computing industry can get a good laugh and Computer Science departments can gain a valuable teching tool as to what *NOT* to do in your OS:).
I hate to say it, but I would prefer to be an MSCE then to ever touch Open Server again. Open Server is a complete shame to the name UNIX.
I invite any Open Server fans out there to put in thier arguments for it -- I would love to hear anything that anyone has positive to say about it. Moreover, if anyone has a UNIX derivative that is *worse* then Open Server and is still sold today I would also love to hear about it. Frankly I don't think that's possible.
Perhaps his political opponets should do the same to him. Lock him in a room and see if he can actually "feel the waves". That will take a lot of credability off of his argument.
The reason I'm lobbying so hard to stop the expansion of wireless facilities all over the country is because I firmly believe this is affecting the health of the nation," said Firstenberg, who graduated from Cornell University with a degree in mathematics and a minor in physics.
Perhaps he should have made that minor in physics a major and minored in the medical field instead. ..
Btw, Art, I'll decide if the "waves" hurt me, you don't have to "save the nation" for us...
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unitl the machines on these shows get so destructive that DARPA starts to fund them? :).
I am not a Java programmer and am by no means an expert at all, however I have a question that perhaps the experts can answer (this is not a flame nor flamebait -- it is a valid question that I have always had, asked many times, read a lot about and still can't find a good answer to). What are the merits of using Java? Why is Java so special? I have asked this question to many Java developers and I never get a good answer.
.this article about native Java code is just this. . .
The answers I typically get are not related to the programming *language* at all, but the organization and "java culture":
1) "Java classes are well-organized and well-documented and all-in-one-place." Not a language mertit! You can learn C++ classes as well.
2) "Java stops you from your own stupidity by not allowing pointers and has garbage collection." If you REALLY hated pointers that much you could write C++ code without pointers and write your own garbage collector (not to mention that LISP does garbage collection too -- nothing new).
3) "Java is cross-platform." I haven't seen too many implementations when cross-platform is needed at run-time. The browser cross-platform stuff seems to have died in the browser wars and Java incompatibilities in browser implementations, thus most Java developers that I know are making JSPs. You know the platform of your server (it won't randomly change without you knowing) so why not write in a higher-level language such as C++ and skip all the platform-dependant code (or do ifdefs) and have it run natively faster? If your platform changes you just re-compile. .
4) "Java has a cross-platform GUI". So is GTK and QT.
5) "Java is easy to learn". I'll skip that.
6) "Java has javabeans, etc". Not a language merit!
Other then the "java culture" and the fact that it's libraries are well organized, what are the real-world (not theoretical) merits to Java? Why program in Java when you can achieve the same result faster in another language? This is a serious question that has plagued me for years and I would love a good answer if anyone has one. It is a little off-topic however it does relate to the article because the article promotes killing one of the valid merits that I know of for Java (cross-platform).
I've been thinking about that for years. There are a few papers on that, too. . .I can't find them off-hand.
:).
Two useful things that I thought of for that are:
1) Free air-conditioning
2) Use as an intercooler for turbocharged engines.
The problem with ammonia, however (and the reason why they stopped making propane-run absorption refrigerators a long time ago) is that under certain conditions I guess ammonia is explosive and not to mention not too good for you
But I don't know much for IANAC (I am not a chemist). If anyone knows anything about this (even though it is edging on off-topic) I would love to hear a discussion as I have pondered this a LOT. . .
"Finally, an alternative! I for one, am sick of the hacked up kludge that is modern Intel/IBM PC hardware."
:).
I thought the same thing when I got an Alpha motherboard. Far superior architecture and it didn't have the added weight of all the legacy junk. Heck, DEC even gave schematics for the whole board! That was beyond cool (to this day I am still saddened that DEC went away).
Then came the support issues. Even under Linux some of the most basic stuff was not 'yet' supported on the Alpha. That and I had PCI problems because DEC's implementation was 'slightly' different. Sure, DEC UNIX and VMS worked fine, but I would be stuck with all DEC hardware. I ended up going back to x86 after hacking with it for 6 months.
Moral of the story: x86 may be a bogged-down leagacy beast, but the massive support for it make it easier to set-up and maintain the even a streamlined intelligent Aplha -- as much as I would not like to admit it
Interesting. . .wasn't the 2940B the same card that Sun OEM'd for the UtraSPARCs?
I remember having the exact same issue you mention with Sun SCSI cards. . .
"nobody on the highway is allowed to drive faster than the slowest car"
HTML e-mail is not a speed issue; it is a compatability issue. A more apt analogy would be:
Since Cadillac has come out with their night-vision ability on the Deville, Cadillac users may not have to use thier headlights at night time however they have to still use headlight at night so that *other* people can see them. If a Cadillac user decided to use this new feature exclusively, it may give that driver more flexinbility and perhaps force other car manufacturers to equip thier cars with this innovation but in the mean time anyone who does *not* have night vision may not be able to use the road because of safety concerns.
In most cases I don't care if mail is HTML formatted, however those times I use pine it annoys the hell out of me. When I'm a pine user HTML mail forces me off the road just like the Cadillac user who does not run his headlights would force non-night-vision drivers off the road, however if the Cadillac user uses his headlights it would cost him little but allow everyone to use the road. Same with plain text. The cost is little but allows everyone to read the mail.
That is why all my mail is plain-text. The only usable gains by using HTML that I can think of is bold, italics, underline, font size and font color. The rest can be handled by attachments. The gain is minimal at the expense of readers who aren't using HTML mail readers all the time. If the gain were much higher I would be less inclined to give an argument.
"Steve Wasko, Microsoft's Linux Competitive Manager, said that Microsoft is not very concerned about any competitive threat from WINE ... or Linux."
.perhaps "Anti-competitive Manager" would be more appropriate :). My favorite is still 'Dodge Ram'.
MS has a Linux competitive manager? A person whose sole purpose is to watch Linux? MS must really be scared or simply wants to quash everything. . .
"Competitive Manager" is an oxy-moron. .
"Started in 1993". . .I hadn't realized wine is that old. . .it's almost as old as windows itself. . .
.the last time I used it was in '96 and at the time it served only as a cool novelty. I think I spent a few hours setting it up just to run notepad off of a windows share and then xhost it via Exceed back over to the same windows machine it was shared from. Hey. . .I had to have somthing to amuse me for all that work :).
I also hadn't realized that wine was nearing 1.0. .
I'll have to give it a shot again some time soon. . .
I have to say that it s definately cooler then the "Beeramid" that we made in the dorm freshman year :).
Hmm. . .photography is considered art and changing such things as color and medium that the picture is presented on is considered artistic.
In this case he completely changed the medium, the color and thus the representation.
From the art classes that I've taken this fits into what I was taught art is. Whether it is good art or not is completely subjective. I have seen art that is just a blue triangle on a white sheet of paper. I accept it as art, but reject that it is good art.
I don't have any obsession with Flockheart, but I would hang that on my wall. It's damn cool.
I shuddered when I saw that also.
Not that it makes it right, but squid can handle them (at lest the version I run). The killer is white spaces in a URL for which you have to use the "uri_whitespace" option in squid.conf for it to work.
Some people chop off their ear for a girl, others make a 30,000 tile ASCII-art mosaic :).
.Mosaics of all the most important things in life. . .
.and Christa Flockheart :).
.it was just too tempting. . .
This would definately qualify as Boston.com's most unusual Valentine's Day gift.
. .
"I have constructed plenty of LEGO mosaic in the past (qq.v. New York City, Mona Lisa, San Francisco)"
. .
Sorry for the jibe. .
I remember an option in Solaris 7 that lets you dump memory to swap, shut down the computer and when you restart it reads swap and drops you back into the exact same state as you were in before.
Pretty cool because you could restore to a full X-session with all the programs and documents you were working on before undisturbed.
I don't know if this is what you were looking for. . .
" It's beautifully animated and full of exciting fight scenes. The big story, though, with the prophesy and crazy powerful people doing crazy things, is just plain stupid, with really overdone and tiresome religious/philosophical angst."
I'm not an anime nut and haven't seen too many anime movies, however every anime movie that I have seen has been exactly what you just described. I was starting to think that what you mention was a description of the genre. . .
"was nominated to the United States Supreme Court by President Ronald Reagan"
Damn. I think this is the first conservative that actually interprets conservatism for the people. I am impressed.
Generally most conservatived *cough* Bush interprets "small government" as "laissez-faire" which then they perverse into "leave big corporations alone even if they have a monopoly" in and Adam-Smithian belief that "The Invisible Hand" will fix everything. Of course they don't argue because it also fixes their wallets.
It is VERY nice to see a person interpret small government as NOT laissez-faire economics. If the whole Republican party went by that ideology I would vote for them every time.
One way around this is use a SOCKS & http proxies and have socks clients on all the computers. Granted it's a pain to set up and use but it's harder to detect:
..
1) The TCP sequence number thingy is not a problem because your connection terminates at your proxy and then the proxy makes a connection out. All seuquence numbers are that of the proxy.
2) TTL is not an issue; the TTL will be that of the proxy.
3) OS fingerprinting will not be a problem because the fingerprint will be that of the proxy.
The only issue that I see is is port #s -- there's somthing a little fishy about the number of high port numbers used and of course content-relted stuff -- if a Javascript reports your IP.
So thus your "stealth NAT" is just a SOCKS proxy. It's just a pain to set up. .
OK. . .here we go finally!
I remeber doing a large report on the last idea a long time ago but I have since lost the paper and it took me a while to find some info.
Take a look at this .
It shows that roughly only 60% of the population was covered in 1960 inthe FBI crime reporting database while today it is closer to 100%. Furthermore before about 1975 a good portion of the states were not reporting crime directly to the FBI.
This does not directly prove what I was stating (I don't want to make a thesis about this -- I already did the research paper a long time ago), however from this pdf it is evident that before 1960 the numbers reported to the FBI hardly reflected the whole and the accuracy did not start to get very good until about 1980.
Incidentally 1980 was one of the years with the highest crime rates reported. Does this reflect the population or technology in crime tracking?
That is just the numbers. Mix in the socioligical aspects of 'when to report crime' and 'when it is a family / personal / manly thing that should / should not be taken care of at the lowest level without the police' and the numbers start swaying around like crazy.
Comparing crame statistics from one year to the next consecutive one can tell you a lot; comparing them over decades is worthless because accounting changes rapidly and reporting changes, too, with social ideology.
I got rid on the cartoony feel by reducing the icons to minimal size (16), changing the style and getting new icons.
Give it a shot. You can completely change the look. I didn't like the default cartoony look either.
Results may vary.
smpeg is a good point, however the problem with avifile and mplayer is that they use Windows binaries. I haven't tried it but I would imagine that they're not very cross patform (and KDE is cross platform) and the windows binaries they use are not GPL meaning that distros such as Mandrake or RedHat may have an issue including them. In the future I guess both plan to roll their own rather then using Windows, but for now that is the case.
Does avifile or mplayer work on a SPARC, PPC or Alpha without emulation? I don't think they would but I haven't tried it. . .
I've been using KDE3 beta for a while now and I'm impressed. The rate of radical change between KDE1 and KDE2 is not the same as between KDE2 and KDE3 -- the feature slope seems to be tapering off and speed and stability are improving.
.middle-mouse-button pasting no longer works but I'm sure there's a config for it somewhere I havn't found yet.
A few notes that I've noticed:
* KDE3 is faster then KDE2, however it is still not as fast as Windows.
* Konqueror has had some major improvments in HTML renedering. Very nice. No major new features. With this release Konqueror is becoming my favorite web browser.
* The regular expression engine is AWESOME. I can search web pages (and anything KDE for that matter) with regular expressions now. Very very cool feature.
* There were some changes in the clipboard that I haven't quite figured out. .
* Tool-bars are rippable now. Very cool.
* A few new GUI pretty things
* A few app crashes -- that's expected in Beta, though.
Nothing radically new, however I appreciate and am impressed by the increase of maturity in KDE3.
The only thing I have to wait for now is to have a few KDE apps mature a little more. I still use many gnome apps under KDE because they're a little more mature.
"How, exactly, is this even remotely on-topic?"
.I couldn't help the urge after the Unixware off-topic thread. I'll just round-up here.
./ before and no one ws interested so I went on the verge of flaming just to see if anyone else here actually ever used OS5. It is cool to see that one of the engineers answered.
.I thought it was OS.
Your right, I was off-topic. .
"BTW, if you think it's easy to maintain an entire OS distribution with a team that small, try it sometime"
I can only imagine. I didn't realize that the team was that small. Ironically I've probably been in contact with you in the past. Trying to support 150 of these SCO boxen alone and trying to get them to play nice with Solaris, Linux, and Tru64 was no small feat either.
I'm sorry for my SCO flame. I've tried to discuss OS on
I think my fustration with the OS has more to do with trying to get it to work properly for people who expect the usability of Solaris 7 on OS5 as well as seamless integration which is not possible from an OS that old (automount/NFS/NIS caused SO many problems between all these hosts) and was just plain living hell. Like any admin the person gets blamed for OS problems and incompatibilities and SCO being the weakest link I came to detest it. I hadn't realized that active development on OS5 stopped in 1993 however in light of that I'm amazed that it is still sold [at a hefty price nonetheless] and that support has not EOLed -- supporting somthing that old must be living hell for you guys. SCO had tried to convince my company to move over to Unixware a long time ago but they would not budge. Fear of the unknown.
The ELF thing was my mistake. I remebered compiling emacs for somthing and I had to do COFF shared libraries. .
I admit, as ugly as it was to work on OS5 it was rock solid after it was tuned properly, however it is like buying a Plymoth Valari today -- the slant 6 was rock solid but the caberator needs tuing once in a while. The people I supported expected electronic fuel injection, per say, perfect running at the turn of the key and have it perform as well as a 2000 Nissan Maxima. Thus the fustration.
Amen.
SCO Open Server is 10x worse then Unixware. Don't even get me started :).
:).
A few notes:
* No ELF shared libraries (COFF)
* No loadable kernel modules (manually re-link the kernel for every new driver).
* No kmalloc function for many kernel buffers; if you over-run a buffer you have to change the kernel header files, re-link and pray you don't over-run them again.
* Many functions that should be in shared libraries are hacked to hell; for instance some NFS functions for "ls" are in ls itself rather then libc. GNU ls does not work with NFS directories on Open Server because of this.
* They just implemented a dhcp client in Open Server about a year ago.
[Necessary MS jibe] But hey, what can you expect from somthing that used to be a Microsoft product [Xenix].
From what I could tell most of the SCO messiness came from a hacked merger of System V and System III into Open Server 5. What kills me about OpenServer is that it is STILL heavily used by the telco industry. A former company that I worked with looked at Linux but stuck with SCO Open Server because of "support" concerns.
To the point:
I'm just waiting for Caldera to Open-Source Open Server so that the whole computing industry can get a good laugh and Computer Science departments can gain a valuable teching tool as to what *NOT* to do in your OS
I hate to say it, but I would prefer to be an MSCE then to ever touch Open Server again. Open Server is a complete shame to the name UNIX.
I invite any Open Server fans out there to put in thier arguments for it -- I would love to hear anything that anyone has positive to say about it. Moreover, if anyone has a UNIX derivative that is *worse* then Open Server and is still sold today I would also love to hear about it. Frankly I don't think that's possible.
Perhaps his political opponets should do the same to him. Lock him in a room and see if he can actually "feel the waves". That will take a lot of credability off of his argument.
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The reason I'm lobbying so hard to stop the expansion of wireless facilities all over the country is because I firmly believe this is affecting the health of the nation," said Firstenberg, who graduated from Cornell University with a degree in mathematics and a minor in physics.
Perhaps he should have made that minor in physics a major and minored in the medical field instead. .
Btw, Art, I'll decide if the "waves" hurt me, you don't have to "save the nation" for us.
Forget that. Why woud you want a Ferrari when you can have a 10-second K-car?
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.he did it with a 2.2L 4-cylinder, lots of boost and no nitrous).
Check out this video
The cheer from the crowd is much cooler then the looks one gets for driving a Ferrari
(BTW check out this guys site. .