the only way to start the process of really archiving is breaking out of expecting single institutions to do it and distribute the task -- distributed archiving can start w bloggers, since they seem to have time on their hands:
http://www.mcgeek.com/mainsite/tech/123,37.html/
There are more than a few comments here bashing the conference. Look, it's not perfect, but if you think you can do better, please do. As with all communities, there's some posing, sure, that's unavoidable. But when you listen to people involved in things like Prometheus Radio you can see it's more about sharing knowledge and experience.
As far as Mitnick, you know, it's no secret he's a fan of himself. What do you expect? But, he held the crowd's attention, he speaks well, is funny and has insight about what he went through. It's not like 2600 put Wil Wheaton up there for God's sake.
It's a good time with some good shared info, with a conscience, it is worth the $50 bucks.
there are dedicated server services out there which will price you by the line -- say a burstable 1Mbps line... you can tell them to install whatever os or distro you like...
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oh jesus yes but why dont they understand, why?
no i guess java doesnt suck ass, i mean it works, right?
but agree w you that python has tons going for it but afraid it's been overlooked by all but linux admins.
gimmee a clean elegant language anyday...
man alive I couldn't agree with more on that one.
1. why arent there at least a few 'open source' lobbyists? (i dont know of there being any)
2. why doesnt red hat have a couple tv ads, i mean i know theyre expensive but jeezus i'm sure it must be pretty effective -- look at IBMs ads
3. EEF: couldnt they team up with a civil liberties group and ralph nader or something?
i use linux as my desktop but I'm an apache/web admin so it makes sense. I dont want to see it become a popular desktop, cuz then you'd get AOL and all sorts of needless crap. I was hoping this issue died last year and that the linux 'community' (whatever that is) would focus on making linux the top industrial strength backside to our tech lives. Why so obsessed with the freakin desktop? Look, if you want your grandma to have a *nix on her desk then buy her a mac.
in school more than ten years ago i studied art history, information theory, semiotics, and AI -- there seemed to be plenty of people running the same course. From the 70's scifi to baudrillard and SRL (survival research labs) there was plenty for us to talk about...
really now, you make it seem all new and fancy.
gee.
1. you can't code well at freakin 9 in the morning, that's just obvious.
2. it's your own fault you had kids, don't even think about pulling that 'I'm an adult' bullshit.
3. dress code: it's not geeks jobs to meet clients. they shouldn't. that's your damn job.
4. any time you want to switch I'll sit around making friggin excel timelines or dumb powerpoint presentations while you code until your eyes bleed and you have to listen to people whine how about how they don't know how to set up a filter in outlook
yes I agree with you about the sun iplanet speech. It was not an iplanet speech it was like a sermon, and man it did give me the willies. Funny, if they actually told me what iplanet was and why I should use it...
I noticed as well as compared to last year that this is now dominated by 'enterprise solutions' in direction from HUGE companies. Yeah, no perl monks, fewer small tables with flip-flop wearing ('best episode ever') geeks who will chew your ear off about multi-threading. Although, I did get a little of that from a company called 'inferno' (operating system for network application development) which was cool, and KDE booth and japan linux booth...
So yeah, most people in the linux community (whatever that means really) have wanted linux to be more dominant and for buziness to realize how good it is... well, guess what, they have -- from the IBM ads on TV now to HP's big push, if you want linux expo to be purely a geek expo you're gonna have to start your own now.
Can slashdot start a Geek Expo?
hell i live in NYC and have never had a car or a license like many other weirdo new yorkers -- what happens if I can't prove my existence cuz I can't drive?
Subject: Fallacious Argument Forms
Concerning the following message:
Date: 20 Aug 81 22:53:18-EDT (Thu)
From: Stephen Wolff
To: bruce at Bmd70, howard at Bmd70, mike at Bmd70
Subject: The Truth about UNIX
At a "retirement community" not too long ago, I saw tacked to the door
of one the apartments a neatly lettered sign that read:
"Old age is not for sissies"
Neither is UNIX.
-steve
This is totally irrelevant to the criticisms of the Unix user interface
in the datamat!rumor file. Putdowns of those who find the Unix (user interface
inclusive or documentation) cryptic and confusing, while perhaps satisfying
to the source, do not answer anything. I assume that the author of this
message has never inadvertantly destroyed a file system and has always been
able to figure out how to make Unix do what he wants.
The implication of this message, as well as a response I got to complaints
about lax, vague, and flippant documentation of programs that come with Unix,
is that Unix is REALLY for the "true hackers", and anyone else, such as those
who think that one should be able to use a program without reading the source
code, or who think that programs released to the outside world should consider
human factors of someone other than their author, may use Unix by their conde-
scension. If that is the prevalent attitude, then Unix will come to a
well-deserved oblivion at the hands of an operating system which will pay
attention to documentation and human factors while keeping those features
of Unix which make it useful to homo faber (which is distinct from homo
C-programmaticus (apologies to speakers of Latin), one should keep in mind).
James Jones (ihuxl!jej)
i don't want the sort of office folk i work with to use linux as a desktop cuz then they'd all be bugging me to help them put kitty cats on their desktops.
i'm a bastard, so what.
so the real problem to me seems that people who use good open source encryption are gonna seem suspicious to authorities -- and that the real blow could come from not monitoring of unencrypted emails but that they'll want to pass laws banning our current encryption schemes and the like...
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the only way to start the process of really archiving is breaking out of expecting single institutions to do it and distribute the task -- distributed archiving can start w bloggers, since they seem to have time on their hands: http://www.mcgeek.com/mainsite/tech/123,37.html/
There are more than a few comments here bashing the conference. Look, it's not perfect, but if you think you can do better, please do. As with all communities, there's some posing, sure, that's unavoidable. But when you listen to people involved in things like Prometheus Radio you can see it's more about sharing knowledge and experience. As far as Mitnick, you know, it's no secret he's a fan of himself. What do you expect? But, he held the crowd's attention, he speaks well, is funny and has insight about what he went through. It's not like 2600 put Wil Wheaton up there for God's sake. It's a good time with some good shared info, with a conscience, it is worth the $50 bucks.
where i work we need to put our thumbs on a small scanner to enter the office.
i could get no assurance from the PHBs that this info would be kept under lock and key...
there are dedicated server services out there which will price you by the line -- say a burstable 1Mbps line... you can tell them to install whatever os or distro you like...
what one language would you bring w you?
oh jesus yes but why dont they understand, why?
no i guess java doesnt suck ass, i mean it works, right?
but agree w you that python has tons going for it but afraid it's been overlooked by all but linux admins.
gimmee a clean elegant language anyday...
man alive I couldn't agree with more on that one.
1. why arent there at least a few 'open source' lobbyists? (i dont know of there being any)
2. why doesnt red hat have a couple tv ads, i mean i know theyre expensive but jeezus i'm sure it must be pretty effective -- look at IBMs ads
3. EEF: couldnt they team up with a civil liberties group and ralph nader or something?
lost the source code? how the hell does that happen?
our company had switched from sendmail freeBSD to ms exchange and we had similarly nightmarish problems...
yawn. yaaaawwwwnn. wouldn't it like be funny if they said the exact opposite, hunh, wouldn't it? wouldn't it be funny?
no apps? no emulation? have you used linux in the last few years?
i use linux as my desktop but I'm an apache/web admin so it makes sense. I dont want to see it become a popular desktop, cuz then you'd get AOL and all sorts of needless crap. I was hoping this issue died last year and that the linux 'community' (whatever that is) would focus on making linux the top industrial strength backside to our tech lives. Why so obsessed with the freakin desktop? Look, if you want your grandma to have a *nix on her desk then buy her a mac.
I believe the tandy 100 was the last computer ol bill gates actually contributed code to.
in school more than ten years ago i studied art history, information theory, semiotics, and AI -- there seemed to be plenty of people running the same course. From the 70's scifi to baudrillard and SRL (survival research labs) there was plenty for us to talk about... really now, you make it seem all new and fancy.
gee. 1. you can't code well at freakin 9 in the morning, that's just obvious. 2. it's your own fault you had kids, don't even think about pulling that 'I'm an adult' bullshit. 3. dress code: it's not geeks jobs to meet clients. they shouldn't. that's your damn job. 4. any time you want to switch I'll sit around making friggin excel timelines or dumb powerpoint presentations while you code until your eyes bleed and you have to listen to people whine how about how they don't know how to set up a filter in outlook
yes I agree with you about the sun iplanet speech. It was not an iplanet speech it was like a sermon, and man it did give me the willies. Funny, if they actually told me what iplanet was and why I should use it... I noticed as well as compared to last year that this is now dominated by 'enterprise solutions' in direction from HUGE companies. Yeah, no perl monks, fewer small tables with flip-flop wearing ('best episode ever') geeks who will chew your ear off about multi-threading. Although, I did get a little of that from a company called 'inferno' (operating system for network application development) which was cool, and KDE booth and japan linux booth... So yeah, most people in the linux community (whatever that means really) have wanted linux to be more dominant and for buziness to realize how good it is... well, guess what, they have -- from the IBM ads on TV now to HP's big push, if you want linux expo to be purely a geek expo you're gonna have to start your own now. Can slashdot start a Geek Expo?
hell i live in NYC and have never had a car or a license like many other weirdo new yorkers -- what happens if I can't prove my existence cuz I can't drive?
Subject: Fallacious Argument Forms Concerning the following message: Date: 20 Aug 81 22:53:18-EDT (Thu) From: Stephen Wolff To: bruce at Bmd70, howard at Bmd70, mike at Bmd70 Subject: The Truth about UNIX At a "retirement community" not too long ago, I saw tacked to the door of one the apartments a neatly lettered sign that read: "Old age is not for sissies" Neither is UNIX. -steve This is totally irrelevant to the criticisms of the Unix user interface in the datamat!rumor file. Putdowns of those who find the Unix (user interface inclusive or documentation) cryptic and confusing, while perhaps satisfying to the source, do not answer anything. I assume that the author of this message has never inadvertantly destroyed a file system and has always been able to figure out how to make Unix do what he wants. The implication of this message, as well as a response I got to complaints about lax, vague, and flippant documentation of programs that come with Unix, is that Unix is REALLY for the "true hackers", and anyone else, such as those who think that one should be able to use a program without reading the source code, or who think that programs released to the outside world should consider human factors of someone other than their author, may use Unix by their conde- scension. If that is the prevalent attitude, then Unix will come to a well-deserved oblivion at the hands of an operating system which will pay attention to documentation and human factors while keeping those features of Unix which make it useful to homo faber (which is distinct from homo C-programmaticus (apologies to speakers of Latin), one should keep in mind). James Jones (ihuxl!jej)
i don't want the sort of office folk i work with to use linux as a desktop cuz then they'd all be bugging me to help them put kitty cats on their desktops. i'm a bastard, so what.
so the real problem to me seems that people who use good open source encryption are gonna seem suspicious to authorities -- and that the real blow could come from not monitoring of unencrypted emails but that they'll want to pass laws banning our current encryption schemes and the like...