Slashdot Mirror
Great points in Usenet history
no_nicks_available writes "An article on The Register points to some of the highlights of Usenet history. "
First mention of Microsoft, GNU, Madonna, the Compact Disc, and more. It's worth a look
if only to read the first kibo post to alt.religion.kibology.
How big is the original first few years of Usenet?
Couldn't of been bigger than a few megs.
Points out that this is OLD OLD news and has been on the front page of google for a week.
The end of the world as we knew it ended on Sept. 11. 1989
i think the weirdest message i ever remember from my old usenet days was
"new group found: do you wish to subscribe to 'alt.sex.hello-kitty' ?(y/n)"
I believe sex is highly over rated... unless it involves me
Subject says it all...!
Hrm, haven't we seen this already? Okay, so now the Register has an article, but it adds nothing. Woo. Go Slashdot. Bah.
Of course, this is the same google announcement linked to not long ago when google announced that now they have the last 20 years of usenet archived.
Yay for Slashdot!
I read a recent story (in print, try doing a search) that says that google is archiving early usenet post s, some of which it acquired from its acquisition of dejanews, others from miscellaneous sources. This would be a good way to find these classics and other similiar ones and keep these landmarks from being lost to history.
Remember, there were no nuclear weapons before women were allowed to vote.
Would have to be the first post to alt.sex
--
WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
this article -1 redundant... didn't we just go through this the other day?
Please send me pics too! thanx
"5 years from now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5.": Andy Tanenbaum : comp.os.minix : 1992-01-30
.... google has been promoting this archive for a while.
Creativity is no substitute for knowing what you're doing
Oh yeah
Simple filter to check URLs posted over the previous n days...
I got the first post on Usenet way back in 1979 (via UUCP).
Gosh must they have some kind of backup there! I'm reading this post within seconds of being posted on /., and it hasn't been hit... at least not yet.
It has already been posted here.
And while we're on the subject, anybody have any nominations for great moments in Slashdot history? I'll start. Here is the first article on Slashdot that mentions Google.
Because it pointed to a great resource. 700 millions messages!! I found about 900 of mine archived. I hope this sticks around for awhile.
And google has found some of the more salient points of our history. How cool is that??
sure hope /. is just as available and searchable in 20 years time - its one of few very few repositories of opinion that'll give the geeks perspective on the society they helped make.
I found this hilarious.
I wish Lucas & Co. would get the thing going a little faster. I can't really imagine waiting until 1997 to see all nine parts of the Star Wars series.
I wonder if that e-mail address still works so I can let him know that Episode 1 wasn't worth it...
From Tim Berners-Lee's first post on the WWW project:
The project started with the philosophy that much academic information should
be freely available to anyone. It aims to allow information sharing within
internationally dispersed teams, and the dissemination of information by
support groups.
Is someone from the RIAA listening?
... On Usenet on November 4th, 1997.
The real Webmaven is user ID 27463. I don't rate an imposter, because my ID is such a lame-ass high number.
Do you read your own site? I mean sometimes we have dupes that happen a few months apart. Sometimes we have dupes that happen 2 minutes apart (Note that one is usually deleted). I can understand that, too. What I can't understand is how they happen a day apart. Much less when the same core link is present in both articles.
The runon tag is the BOFH article. :)
Just can't keep a good Bastard down!
In the early days of UseNet (early 80's) UseNet was "transmitted" to Australia via a 9 track mag tape in the mail once a week! Saved on telecom charges (early UseNet ran over analog telco lines via dial-up modems and UUCP).
[Insert pithy quote here]
When he announced his project:
I can (well, almost) hear you asking yourselves "why?". Hurd will be out in a year (or two, or next month, who knows)
;)
python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
But they forgot the most important one!
first post to mention Slashdot.
First post to mention Slashdot.org
The fools!
--
What happens when you outlaw guns
Didn't we just do this a day or two ago? Like here?
It's quite well composed: starts out slowly with a nod to the endless chocolate chip recipes, then builds towards more interesting "foods."
It was on The Screen Savers last night on TechTV :P
-motardo
Should the USENET archives be made something of historic record, to be preserved by some non-commercial, non-governmental independent entity as a permanent record. Yes, there are privacy issues, but certainly, we have found that other forms of communication play an important role for the historian.
It seems that USENET and other digital online forums are becoming as important records of history as more traditional, non-digital means like books, newspapers, etc.
Posts, especially ones, like the Challenger, Berlin Wall, etc should be treated just like other media. In the future, and even now, historians will be using digital writings as primary sources.
Should we have a backup of this archive somewhere, before people start "removing" their own posts, etc?
There's 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I find it interesting that the very first mention of Microsoft talks about what they've promised in a future release of their software. :-)
additionally, they are
going to add a fair amount of hardware error recovery (bad block
handling, parity and power fail interrupts, etc.), as well as record
handling, shared data segments, synchronous writing, improved
interprocess communications, networking, and languages: Pascal, BASIC,
FORTRAN, and COBOL.
Wow, if they add all that, it sounds like it would be just what their customer needs!
http://kered.org
About Coca-Cola
The first post mentioning Goatse.cx What a historic time for us trolls everywhere!
If only spammers still left all of their personal information in a signature :)
..There's a-dooin's a-transpirin'
Linux wasn't supposed to work, from the beginning! ;)
BTW, is there anything more ironic than 15 identical posts going "haven't we seens this already?"
sic transit gloria mundi
I love this Andy Tanenbaum quote (from his thread titled "Linux is Obsolete"):
"Making software free, but only for folks with enough money to buy first class hardware is an interesting concept.
Of course 5 years from now that will be different, but 5 years from now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5."
Was that star wars post by the same randal schwartz i think it is? And if so, damn that guy is ancient.
Although I'm not a big Linux guy this link - http://www.funet.fi/pub/OS/Linux/ - was still up from the earliest archived linux post from Thorvalds. It just refers you to a more updated link but still....
IMHO, as per
J:)
Oh well, no point in steering now.
The release date for us humans that want to see it is
still the summer of 1983. I guess it takes that long to score
all the music, do all the film-editing, prepare all the promo
material, and all that junk.
I wish Lucas & Co. would get the thing going a little faster.
I can't really imagine waiting until 1997 to see all nine parts
of the Star Wars series.
MAN! It's 2002 almost - and we only have 4 of them out! Anyone care to predict when all 9 will be available on SuperVH-DVDRUS holographic cubes? Remember, do not think about the movie plot outside the specified viewing time or MS-AOL-DISNEY-AT&T-USGOV-TIME-WARNER will zap your brain for violating the DRM EULA!
http://kered.org
About CPIO and tar
It's a shame we are all here on Slashdot and not alt.slashdot - think how this will be lost someday when Va Linux or whatever they are called today shuts it's doors...
YES, there is a McDonald's in Hanoi Square.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=doodoo@hooked.ne t&hl=en
Interesting to say the least!
rk,
Rangers Lead the Way!
with tremendous fortune, I've never said anything horribly stupid or incriminating on Usenet, under my real name.
That you could be held accountable for things that you thought dropped off the end of a bbs server into nothingness after about one week, is scary.
oh how annoying it is when they post something twice.
Nothing like ego surfing old messages... you get to find out how smart you were/are/weren't.
Anyone know where I can get the source? kernel.org doesn't go past 1.0 :(
.02... I want to see the code! ;)
I mean, when Linus posted, he referred to
My server
Man he did not mention the most important link on the page...First BOFH. Or was I supposed to say First Post?
Got Code?
As much as I have tried to understand this, I don't know how Kibo is, why he is infamous, or why he is such a big deal. Perhaps my
Lawrence Lessig is my personal hero.
Thought the World Wide Web might be timely. Here's the first mention of it: World Wide Web on google.
So close and yet so far from the world's perfect ID number
Hahaha..
From: Vincent Weaver (weave@Glue.umd.edu)
Subject: NT 5.0
Newsgroups: um.wam
Date: 1997/11/18
I just saw at www.slashdot.org (an intersting news site) that it was
announced at Comdex that Windows NT 5.0 won't be shipping until 1999. I
find that sort of amusing. Linux will probably be at revision 3.0 by then
;) Seriously though. Often when I complain about a NT4.0 "feature" I get
told "just wait 5.0 will have that fixed and more..." but I guess MS is
falling behind...
Anyone have a slightly more revised estimate?
Dyolf Knip
Usenet is older than I am. :\
"If you write programs for linux today, you shouldn't have too many surprises when you just recompile them for Hurd in the 21st century."
Linus just seems to have known how these things work out...
sic transit gloria mundi
What a troll. Bah.
Did anyone else notice how well those posts were written? No "teh", no "ur", no using the number eight to represent the sound of "ate" and no "all your base are belong to us" comments?
...How to find the very first posts of a newsgroup? As in, how does one track down the first post to alt.sex? (I suspect it's the mkgroup command... so maybe I'll want to see the first dozen posts to alt.sex...)
Wish I could remember my student ID from a dozen years ago...
--
Don't like it? Respond with words, not karma.
I can diagnose your situation.
You long to be a troll. Give in to your urge. Click that "post anonymously" toggle (or don't!), and post a message in which you claim to have had sex with CmdrTaco's mom, Hemos' wife (claim you were drunk and she was wearing a burka!), Jon Katz is your love slave, etc.
Actually, that's the first mention of Slashdot.org. The first mention of Slashdot was mentioned in this post.
From this post:
I must strongly protest the discussed removal of the Macintosh related groups. I use the groups for my WORK which, among other things, involves looking into the feasiblity of using the Macintosh as an inexpensive graphics terminal IN THE UNIX ENVIRONMENT.
Add about fifteen years, and you have Apple putting the Mac look-and-feel on top of a *nix core.
I really wish Google would add a "First mention" search button, or at least allow you to reverse the order of display.
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
Don't know. Would it help if I said that we all hate you?
This next song is very sad. Please clap along. -- Robin Zander
It seems that everyone from my parents' generation believes that Kennedy's assasination was the "defining" point of their generation. Other notable events like Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, the Hindenberg, and the Apollo landing were important and extremely emotional events for other Americans of different generations. People from that time remember not only the events, but where they were, who they were talking to... even the clothes they were wearing and other seemingly unimportant details. We're all familar with the phenomenon. These events had impact.
For the "current" generation, those people that are children now, September 11th and Oklahoma City will likely be such defining events. The impact is staggering in the mind, and children today will realize the impact more heavily than those that are appreciably older or younger.
For me, that defining moment, that point that will always stick with me, was the Challenger disaster. I remember every detail of the moments surrounding the explosion, and even the briefest mention of those events brings those memories back in force.
That usenet posting, a simple pure description of what one person knew just moments after the explosion, brought it all back more clearly than ever before. Any footage I see today is part of a documentary, any account is a recollection by someone remembering something that happened 15 years ago. But that post was pure. There was no commentary before or after about what it meant, and it was untainted by reflection or further consideration. It just showed what one person knew.
I won't go on to talk about the importance of the internet or compare it to other media; there are other forums for that. But I can say only that I appreciate what google has done by capturing and bringing back a real history of the last 20 years.
-- Minds are like parachutes... they work best when open.
That should read "First Usenet post from someone *admitting* to having an AOL account"
This list is nice, but incomplete. It would nice to see a *COMPLETE* "Great Moments in Usenet History" list, including:
First alt.binaries porn image
Birth of alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die
First use of the word "pr0n"
First appearance of "31337"
First reference to Bill Gates as the anti-christ.
I'm sure my list is incomplete as well, but it's a start.
It's there, all right (not 0.02, but 0.01, 0.11, 0.12, and many 0.9x releases, in various subdirectories): http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/
Get a grip. /. provides a dozen or so good stories a day - if one is a repeat, don't bloody read it!
On the other hand, /. has a moderation system that is unique and nothing short of amazing, making it manageable to read 800 post threads without getting bogged down in all the crap that usually tends to accumulate on public forums. And all that without any censorship or arbitrary moderation.
Don't like it? Go read the [H] forum's "Post pictures of your [H]ard scanners!" threads.
sic transit gloria mundi
Do a search on goatse.cx. It, uhm, seems to be very popular there. ;)
ac
..for being one of the only companies that seems to actually -understand- what most of us want out of the Internet. Fast, simple, full of information.
Oi the first mention about SPISPOPD (Smashing Pumpkins Into Small Piles Of Putrid Debris) in comp.sys.pc.games.action isn't listed! For any old school gamers its a significant event. I've been searching the google archive lately for it though, and can't actually find the first post about it, anyone out there had any luck?
"Because you can't see the person who is sending you electronic mail you are sometimes uncertain whether they are serious or joking. Recently, Scott Fahlman at CMU devised a scheme for annotating one's messages to overcome this problem. If you turn your head sideways to look at the three characters :-) they look sort of like a smiling face. Thus, if someone sends you a message that says "Have you stopped beating your wife?:-)" you know they are joking."
;-)"
And then you answer "Yep, I gave a break to her since she's still choking on her blood.
And then you both have a huge laugh.
Man, people from the 80s are weird.
They missed this milestone, the second post from AOL:
From: aluser@aol.com (aluser@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Is America Online Connected to the Internet or Not?
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Date: 1992-05-05 13:45:06 PST
> I have read many postings about America Online and the Internet in
> this newsgroup. Since some of the information has been not quite
> right I figured I should make a posting to clear up any misconseptions
> that might exist. There is an America Online gateway to Internet. It
> is now going into 'open' beta testing. To send mail to an America
> Online, Promenade or PC-Link user you need to know the user's screen
> name. The only way to get a user's screen name is to contact them by
> other means (ie there is no name server). Once you know a user's
> screen name remove any spaces, make it lower case, and append
> @aol.com. For example to send to the screen name A User you would
> address your mail to auser@aol.com.
>
> To send mail from America Online to the Internet you simply put the
> Internet address in the To: field on the regular mail form. In a
> previous post the question was posed as to whether or not there are
> 'special' gateways for Compuserve, MCI Mail etc. The answer is no,
> there are not. For some of the more popular services abbreviations
> have been created; for example to send to a Compuserve user you can
> use the address 123.4567@cis. Additional information can be found on
> America Online by using the keyword InetBeta. There is no additional
> charge for using the Internet mail gateway. Mail is limited to around
> 27k bytes in both directions. If you notice any problems with this
> gateway please send mail to inetbeta1@aol.com from the Internet or
> inetbeta from America Online.
>
>
> George Browning Programmer/Analyst gbrowning@aol.com
>
> ** BETA TEST MAIL Report bugs to INetBeta1@aol.com **
me too
-- Don't Tase me, bro!
I forwarded the news that google's Usenet archives had been extended to 1981 to a few friends of mine an the response from one was
"Happy F*cking Day!"
Now I can pour over articles I'd written nearly fifteen years ago and see exactly how terrible my grammar, spelling and syntax were when I was eighteen.
And it's fun to see how the level of discourse dropped before and after significant events (the arrival of AOL on Usenet, the arriveal of Webtv).
Can you believe there was a time when you went to Usenet *expecting* an expert opinion on a subject?
Also fun it looking back at early attempts to "troll" a newsgroup. A group of friends and myself did this, in the late eighties, to a few newsgroups we believed were ignoring serious conversations.
Some of this is really funny. If you're a sports fan read about your sports team in years past and what fans were saying, read about advances in technology, read about anything, it's all there. The only problem is remembering which accounts you may have used to post at the time.
Thanks google, this has made my week!
-dameron
First mention of Slashdot on USENET.
This would be a really good place to look
for prior art for all these rediculous
patents that get granted.
for example:
I am Sure the Altavista search engine patent came AFTER this: Search Engine post
March 1988? Altavista was just a little bit later
This page left intentionally blank.
Anybody else have trounble with this site in Konqueror, It makes the last 2 paragraphs one big link to the same thing, really gay.
The earliest Hacker's Dictionary Posting, compiled by Compiled by Guy L. Steele Jr., Raphael Finkel, Donald Woods, and Mark Crispin.
Not sure who posted it, some guy named hansen, I guess (houxs!hansen). They had pretty wacky email addresses back then. What's up with that?
ENDUT! HOCH HECH!
Usenet history is great, but yes you are correct about your point that this story has been multiple posted by sloshdat. If only they had a UI that allows you to sort by date, responses, recent updates etc, something like these people
Thanks for listening !
"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."--Benjamin Franklin
I am a busy person with many tasks and affairs. I don't have the time for the dreadful read-out of Slashdot. But I come here anyway. I tried Usenet again yesterday, but ever since '94 or so that hasn't been any fun. Then there's e-mail. If you're not getting spam, you're trying to interact with people with days of interruption between each sentence. Slashdot is an addictive community. It is fun because Slashdot's many awful failings, such as Commander Taco's screw up in posting this article, when an almost identical article was posted yesterday, are so unbearable that they make us feel superior. It's not like it's even challenging. Just read your own web site, Commander. Actually, if he ever started, this web site would really start to suck, because the best thing here is complaining about the trolls, crapflooders, and clueless moderators. So, sometimes we love it, sometimes we hate it, someday I'm going to get to 24 karma, and someday we will all look back at this and laugh. Imagine that.
I am not a lawyer. Do not take my words as legal advice. If you need legal advice, consult an attorney.
Work for Change & GET PAID!
Props.
Aye aye aye aye, I am the Frito bandito.
...some things just don't seem to ever change.
From Linus's first Linux post:
"This is a program for hackers by a hacker. I've enjouyed doing it, and somebody might enjoy looking at it and even modifying it for
their own needs."
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
Yah, I went there too when Slashdot carried the story.
The thing that bugged me is they were emphasizing first posts and asking for additional topics to add to their timeline, but they didn't have an "oldest first" sort option. (Like Slashdot...)
here.
Here.
The first use of the not-word "teh":
...conference at teh Hyatt Los ... , from the fa.space group.
Mr. Spey
Cover your butt. Bernard is watching.
Kibology predates alt.religion.kibology by quite some time. Find the first postings to alt.religion.subgenius, for a true beginning. James "Kibo" Perry was quite a presence back then, along with the legendary Henry Spencer from utzoo.
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
D00DZ!!!!!
H0W B0UT MY 1ST P0ST?!!
B1FF
Maybe this?
or this?
Did anybody read the debate between Tannenbaum and Torvalds regarding monolithic vs. microkernels?
:-)"
:)
Two direct quotes from AT:
"5 years from now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5."
"I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design
Besides the fact that both AT and LT assumed Hurd would be the GNU kernel, and would eventually subsume both of their OSes, who would get the higher grade nowadays?
From: MOUSEKETEER (12588)
:-/
Subject: RE: Copy Perversion Hall of Shame (Re: Msg 12585)
Date: 8-SEP-20:43: Bugs & Features
I've tried my best to avoid Copy Perverted software, but I have a few around.
My own gripe is Think Educational Software for MacEdgeII, a program for drills
in math, etc. I would think that a program which is best used by sitting the
kid in front of the Mac for an hour or so to fend for himself would be easily
backed up. Kids do the darndest things, after all, and can erase a disk at
twenty feet by looking at it sideways. This sucker is so rigged, though, that
making a copy is very difficult (i.e. you need H D Utility), and the program
still only gives you the choice to "Eject" rather than "Quit", meaning a full
shutdown.
I guess you have to look at it from their standpoint, though. I expect there
are millions of little kids out there with Macs...."Hey, Bobby, wanna copy of
this nifty math study program? Boy, talk about fun!"
;-)
Alf
P.S. While we are on the subject, I noted today in the GMUGazette (St. Louis
Gateway Area Mac Users Group) that after reprinting an article title "Freeing
Excel" which gave the patch for a particular MS program, it was pointed out
to them that "to defeat copy protection, even for registered owners, is
illegal."
If only they knew
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
no other comment
The edlin editor remains a classic of cruftiness. It still crashes on
files without carriage returns. In the same article Bill Gates said:
"There's really a lot of dirty software on the market now; we'll have to
educate the developers about how to write better software." Judging by
DOS 2.0, edlin, and Microsoft Pascal, it would appear that Microsoft
will have to look outside their organization for suitable teachers.
they knew MS made crapy software back then too!!!!
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Alice's NNTP Server first posted from its anonymous author, with help from a regular of alt.tasteless and alt.peeves.
Message-ID: <anews.Aucbvax.6208> Newsgroups: fa.space
X-Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!space
From: ucbvax!space
Date: Thu Feb 18 03:58:17 1982
Subject: SPACE Digest V2 #108
X-Google-Info: Converted from the original A-News header
>From OTA@S1-A Thu Feb 18 03:27:49 1982
SPACE Digest
Volume 2 : Issue 108
[Ed. cut many lines of geeky space banter]
Date: 15 February 1982 03:59-EST
From: Jerry E. Pournelle <POURNE at MIT-MC>
Subject: Lunar colony and SPS plan
To: REM at MIT-MC
cc: SPACE at MIT-MC
The L-5 Society, using member talent including Dr. David Criswell and other lunar experts, plus SUNSAT people, plus some architects, plus human fctors types, will begin a "Project Deadalus"-like design of a Lunar colony as part of the L-5 Space Citizens conference at teh Hyatt Los Angeles Airport over weeken of 2-4 April.
What's interesting about this isn't just that it was posted by Jerry Pournelle, but also that he manages to leave the 'd' off of "weekend" and the "teh" after "over." Among other glaring tyops. Of course, it was four in the morning.
Wow. Goodbye Nethack, hello prehistoric USENET archives...
Hmm, the first BOFH immediately follows the first AOL post.
.".
Coincidence? You decide.
-Peter
PS: Please feel free to not post "BOFH is about an operator, and since you obviously don't even know what a real computer was in those days . .
-P
... when we /. Google?
Where do we find links to the cached copies?
Facetiously yours....
There's so little difference between politics and jihad lately...
... those were truly classic, groundbreaking posts ...
BTW has anyone ever positively identified b1ff?
I couldn't find the earliest J. Michael Straczynski postings about Babylon 5. I see some articles from 1992, but they sound as if he's been there for quite some time already.
I am really glad to see these (in particular, and many others in general) available again!
(P.S.: I always tried to live by a policy of being the most reasonable person in any discussion, especially online. Thank goodness; I don't appear to have any past sins to worry about from this newly available archive.)
Stupid job ads, weird spam, occasional insight at
I wonder if we can force the USPTO to look at the USENET archive?
Looking for an Information Security student project suggestion?
Try http://dotcrimeManifesto.com/
to Xenix. Its actually a nice piece of software. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any copies lately. I remember having my twelve shells mapped to F1 through F12. Microsoft can actually produce some good code.
I/O, I/O, its off to disk I go, with a read and a write, and a bit and a byte, I/O, I/O, I/O, I/O
UUCP email specified the full route. The email address of the poster, in full, was: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!ihnss!houxi!houxs!hansen which means this:
The news server this message was retrieved from is utzoo. The message came to utzoo from decvax, and from there from ucbvax, and from there from mhtsa, and from there from ihnss, and from there from houxi, and from there from houxs which was directly connected in some manner to hansen (perhaps hansen is a user on houxi; the important thing though is that houxi knows what hansen is).
so, if you want to send hansen email, and you're currently using ucbvax, then you send email to mhtsa!ihnss!houxi!houxs!hansen for example. If you're on a system that isn't in the bang-path, then you have to know the way to a system that is.
This is why MX-type Internet email got very popular very fast. However, sendmail still supports UUCP delivery, though most sane people compile it out.
my old sig used to be funny, but then slashcode ate it and now it's not funny anymore
I just wish the Google archives went back to 1978 when the original Star Wars came out. There were some vigorous, interesting discussions online about it. You can't imagine how obsessive people were. It was a cultural watershed (turning point).
The `First mention of AOL' entry is bogus. The quoted posting discusses the product lineups of Apple vs. Quantum Computers. It is titled, for some mysterious reason which has nothing to do with AOL, 'America Online?'.
Knowledge
:-?
In,
Bullshit
Out.
Like First In, First Out; Garbage In, Garbage Out; and, uh, you know, stuff like that...
Redhat
Java
KDE
Can anyone think of anymore?
I find my ISP is very spammer friendly. I didn't know this before.
Nuts.
From Tanenbaum:
"My point is that writing a new operating system that is closely tied to any particular piece of hardware, especially a weird one like the Intel line, is basically wrong."
Remind anyone of "640 K should be enough for anyone!" (Gates)
This is my Sig.
While searching for some of my historical "gems" I found a post of mine to aus.test
A mine of information that one.
Slashdot: Where nerds gather to pool their ignorance
Who the hell cares when the first time Madonna was mentioned? Is that what the benchmark of popular culture is? Madonna? Bah. I vote Colecovision. When was Colecovision first mentioned?
In case this post is ever used in considering me for a job for Madonna, I am just joking sweettits.
Sure. Windows NT 5.0 will never be released.
Win32 has a system call to determine whether you're running on WinDOS or on NT. It also has a system call to determine the version (perhaps even down to the build ID) of the running OS. What happens when IsNT() (I made up the name) returns TRUE and WinVer() returns 5.0? Sure it says "Windows 2000 Professional" on the box, but it is the 5.0 release of NT.
Will I retire or break 10K?
pot = kettle = black
Cheers,
IT
Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
Man, 1997 was a different world.
See here.
what about the O.J. Simpson verdict? Does everyone remember where they were when they heard the result? I know I do. Ms. Rogers' computer science class on the second floor of Albany High School.
No Entries were listed for years 96, 97, 99, 00.
Is the Dot-com era of the net that painful?
First sQuick , a mac program of some sort.
First Squick as a sound
The alt.sex.bondage definition.
The far more interesting alt.tasteless definition. Note this quotes a message from a year prior, but which is unavailable.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
This is the coolest fucking thing to happen in years on the Internet. I love Google.
It's extremely refreshing to see real inventiveness in a company for a change. People want this (I know I do at least)... and they're given it free of charge. I can't believe it!
WAY TO GO, GOOGLE!!!
And for those in need of a clue the earlier Cluepon can be found here
Still looking for Al Gore's original post, the one where he presents his blueprints for the Internet.
I'm offended.
dinner: it's what's for beer
ok a quick question based on posts here... and previous /. stories and news:
/. and usenet) have been deemed as personal opinion via a court.
/bin/laden family - and that the who war was basically blackmail and coersion....
given that posts to a news forum (such as
and given that as one poster mentioned, "some tech companies do a search on things you may have posted"
is it possible to copywright opinion. seeing as how authors can copywright works that they write - and extending fiction to opinion - it would seem that if I write a fictional novel, the words therein would be my opinion - especially if I wrote a fictional piece about how the Bush family was actualy very closely tied to the
those things would be "fictional - and my opinion"
SO! the main point is - could I require that google/whomever remove any and all postings/writings of mine that I so desire?
if speech is free - do I own what I say... apparently I am "responsible" for what I spout...
thanks
Here's the first Blinkenlights post. here
-CraigJames "All I need is a little TLC: Thorazine, Lithium, & Compazine"
Would any of you folks out there happen to have or could you let me know where to find the 1989 net.physics articles by Jay Sulzberger on Bell's Inequality ?...
They didn't appear on
http://groups.google.com
oo__ Don Saklad
dsaklad@gnu.org
Yeah!
Writers imply. Readers infer.
...here
I think that this is one of the more interesting posts that I have found.
In a post by "Vision" to 3dfx.products.voodoobanshee on Dec. 11, 1999.
"Evil company X is threatening to restrict our rights! Let's all get together to stop--OOOH! SHINEY!!!" -- AC
I decided to go hunting for noteworthy appearances in Usenet history myself and found this posting:
7 .2 1.NEUMANN%40KL.SRI.COM
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1245494618
It's the first mention of Kevin Mitnick I can find (1986) but I know he was poking around before then. Anyone find anything earlier?
liB
Andy Tanenbaum, in 1992:
5 years from now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5.
-- If no truths are spoken then no lies can hide --
From: yaol@puff.wisc.edu (Raymond Lee)
Newsgroups: net.unix,net.unix-wizards
Subject: Public Domain Unix Software !
Message-ID: <309@puff.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 5-Nov-86 16:04:47 EST
Article-I.D.: puff.309
Posted: Wed Nov 5 16:04:47 1986
Date-Received: Wed, 5-Nov-86 22:35:38 EST
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Lines: 9
Keywords: Where are they ?
Hi !
Does anyone knows where public domain unix programs are availiable ?
Is there a site that would accept anonymous ftp which contain these programs ?
Any help will be appreciated, thanks in advance ! Any public domain PC programs
that are store somewhere will be appreciate too if they accept anonymous ftp.
Thanks in Advance !
Is it too late to point him at GNU?
(Yeah, I know, GNU != public domain. If you buy the premise...)
Thanks to Google, thousands of dead Usenet threads will be resurrected. I can see the flame post now...
"What could have possibly possessed you to reply to a thread that's over a decade old? For Crissakes, it's an ARCHIVE, not a parallel dimension by which you can communicate with people in the past!"
---
Siggy, siggy, siggy, can't you see? Sometimes your puns just irritate me.
The first mention of Slashdot
Slashdot back in 1997.
I don't know what that has to do with being emotionally unaffected by the WTC attacks.
Absolutely right. The WTC attack was shocking on first hearing. However, by the end of the day it had lost its impact. Why?
BECAUSE IT WAS EXPECTED!
It had been attempted before. Threats were constantly being made against the U.S. by Islamic extremists. The only question was when and how.
The Challenger explosion was, to the general populace, completely unexpected. The Space Shuttle represented the hopes and dreams of an entire generation brought up on the Apollo missions. Spaceflight was becoming an exciting reality. Challenger brought all that hope literally crashing to the ground.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
Or maybe this one, which doesn't get the upper case GNU and seems more of an aside than an attempt to credit GNU properly...
When did RMS make his declaration on this subject?
Baz
The evidence:
/. really need to sort this out pronto. Even if the editors dont bother reading there own website, the could at least have the decency to search the archives from the last couple of weeks for duplicates before posting.
1. Unoriginal headlines!
2. Repeated Stories
3. VA Linux --> VA software
4. Editors dont even bother reading the homepage
5. Editors dont post anymore
6. Threats of subscription
7. Threats of more intrusive advertising
--and finally, the real killer--
8. The trolls are becoming really quite imaginitive, original and funny.
Seriously though, for every duplicate story i'm sure there is a real peach missed.
I think i've found First Linus NNTP posting
-- Hasbullah bin Pit (sebol)
Is this really the first "all your base" post?
b as e+are+belong+to+us%22&hl=da&as_drrb=b&as_mind=17&a s_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=13&as_maxm=12&as_max y=1999&rnum=1&selm=lrp55s0q3p5rvthg0hbm3puti49m5te cjm%404ax.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22all+your+
Zakarun
http://zakarun.dk
Why, oh why there is "First mention of the Commodore 64", but nothing about Atari XL/XE ?
And what about Holy Wars in Usenet?
No, you got that wrong ;-) In Europe, where the events happened, we write the day before the month. So it's Nov. 9, 1989, and indeed, it was
the end of the world as we knew it. The article even includes report of people dancing on the ruins of that famous landmark that was no more... The twin city no longer was a twin city...
First Post!
...that the link to the original lycos at Carnegie Mellon University still works.
the first reference to AYBABTU is at http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&newwindow=1& selm=lrp55s0q3p5rvthg0hbm3puti49m5tecjm%404ax.com dated 1999/12/11, but the guy does not put a valid email address :)
and the lameness filter does not want to accept the link, so cut and paste
"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
MEOW.
So, everything for the past three months was because AOL kept sending freebie CDs to bin Laden's cave?
Mod Karma -1: I sed bad wurds. If I cep my mouf shut, I wud be at riyses.
The real beginning of the internet:
FIRST CARASSO POST
Whilst it's really cool to keep up the archives of usenet, but people can also post on these ancient threads. Look here and you'll see what I mean. An article posted on 10 Jun 1992 that is still getting replies. Damn, it's hard enough to kill meandering threads as it is already.
/*drunk.. fix later*/
/. would be googled, of course.
while (!asleep()) sheep++
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=12595%40st ar.cs.vu.nl
Date: 1992-01-29 05:23:33 PST
"[...]Once upon a time there was the 4004 CPU. When it grew up it became an
8008. Then it underwent plastic surgery and became the 8080. It begat
the 8086, which begat the 8088, which begat the 80286, which begat the
80386, which begat the 80486, and so on unto the N-th generation. In
the meantime, RISC chips happened, and some of them are running at over
100 MIPS. Speeds of 200 MIPS and more are likely in the coming years.
These things are not going to suddenly vanish. What is going to happen
is that they will gradually take over from the 80x86 line. They will
run old MS-DOS programs by interpreting the 80386 in software. (I even
wrote my own IBM PC simulator in C, which you can get by FTP from
ftp.cs.vu.nl = 192.31.231.42 in dir minix/simulator.) I think it is a
gross error to design an OS for any specific architecture, since that is
not going to be around all that long.[...]"
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
Those of us reading sci.reasearch.careers in 1990
were shocked when a disgruntled engineer
name Fabrikant complained about fellow faculty
stealing his ideas and blocking promotions.
A few weeks later he shot a couple of them to
death. Fabrikant wrote long rants in that newsgroup
before the murder and managed have someone post
additional ones from jail.
Please remember that the Google archive adopted from Dejanews is not 100% complete.
The archive was assembled in 1995 and for years previous to that it is very incomplete indeed. You can see many disjointed threads and quotes of posts where the original post is nowhere to be found.
It's a good tool and certainly entertaining, but I find it a bit disturbing historical wise for people to be declaring "first post of..." as if it were a hard historical fact. It's not.
Now if Google would just let me post from their web interface without using my real e-mail address...
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
Subject: Fallacious Argument Forms Concerning the following message: Date: 20 Aug 81 22:53:18-EDT (Thu) From: Stephen Wolff To: bruce at Bmd70, howard at Bmd70, mike at Bmd70 Subject: The Truth about UNIX At a "retirement community" not too long ago, I saw tacked to the door of one the apartments a neatly lettered sign that read: "Old age is not for sissies" Neither is UNIX. -steve This is totally irrelevant to the criticisms of the Unix user interface in the datamat!rumor file. Putdowns of those who find the Unix (user interface inclusive or documentation) cryptic and confusing, while perhaps satisfying to the source, do not answer anything. I assume that the author of this message has never inadvertantly destroyed a file system and has always been able to figure out how to make Unix do what he wants. The implication of this message, as well as a response I got to complaints about lax, vague, and flippant documentation of programs that come with Unix, is that Unix is REALLY for the "true hackers", and anyone else, such as those who think that one should be able to use a program without reading the source code, or who think that programs released to the outside world should consider human factors of someone other than their author, may use Unix by their conde- scension. If that is the prevalent attitude, then Unix will come to a well-deserved oblivion at the hands of an operating system which will pay attention to documentation and human factors while keeping those features of Unix which make it useful to homo faber (which is distinct from homo C-programmaticus (apologies to speakers of Latin), one should keep in mind). James Jones (ihuxl!jej)
Not only did they misidentify Kibo's first post to alt.religion.kibology (Kibo himself posted a correction the other day), they also failed to notice that Kibo's home page is at http://www.kibo.com and not some stupid bandwidth-crippled Yahoo site.
-Poot
I was at work (with 50 employees), and most of us went into the conference room where there was a TV to watch the verdict. After they announced it, I could see that everybody looked stunned. I let out a loud "Argh! I can't believe it!" It was then that I realized very clearly that the courts do not run the way they should. I lost faith that day. At least it prepared me for the horrible events known as the DMCA and the partisan selecting of our president.
It sure was expected. Al Gore's commission gave the warning report to the Bush administration in January, and they chose to ignore it. It stated that something had to be done about airline security NOW! Our president still thinks that missle defense and tax cuts are more important than defense against more realistic attacks. How will a defense shield protect us from a briefcase bomb or biological threats, esp. from the meat industry (esp. since Bush has taken away more food protections & inspections)? I hope we have some money left to fill in the other holes in our security that are so lacking.
2 /b ush/
(PS: I voted for Nader partly because I thought he could help change our national image from the one that's so hated by so much of the world. Not only that, but it's obvious how corrupt both the Republicans and Democrats are.)
Commission warned Bush
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/1
But White House passed on recommendations by a bipartisan, Defense department-ordered commission on domestic terrorism.
Commission warned Bush
But White House passed on recommendations by a bipartisan, Defense department-ordered commission on domestic terrorism.
Wow, that timeline gives some nice perspective. I had a false preconception that the announcement of the gopher system should predate the announcement of the WWW system by several years.
I missed all that history playing with QWK mail packets on FidoNet :-)
-----
Kvetch is Yiddish for "throw an exception" --Dr. Ron Cytron
oh please, don't blame it on Bush. Al Gore would be doing the same exact things, and Nader would have shat his pants.
Someone should really help this guy out. pitfall
I particularly recall a description from someone living on a hillside. He was looking down at the mostly dark Bay, lit only by the eerie green glow of burning power transformers.
I think that it was posted in an alt newsgroup, and those don't seem to be nearly as well represented in the archives. A pity.
Nothing for 6-digit uids?
Now we can all go back in time and see what idiots we were ten years ago. Great....fun reads.
Yes, I know this is a very late reply, but I'm extremely bored at work today.
:-)
The first Usenet post uttering the phrase "Windows sucks" appeared on October 8, 1986, less than one year after the November 20, 1985 ship date of Windows 1.0, but the first post containing "Mac sucks" did not appear until February 6, 1987, more than four years after the January 24,1984 ship date of the original Macintosh.
So not only did Microsoft beat Apple in this regard by being first, they also did it more than four times faster! Way to go, Bill and company!
~Philly
years, and *three* times faster. Thank God it's Friday!
~Philly
Boy, there must be some seriously anal fucknuts moderating this thread. 2 -1 offtopics for every post? Methinks someone should find themselves a sense of humor.
...rather sad.
I'd pay to kick the crap out of the lifeless moderator who decided everything in this thread was -1 "off-topic" Jeeze, /. really has gone down the crapper these days.
English Universities are so dull by comparison. Like most students in England I had to rent private accommodation for my second and third years, but it never occurred to us to build a whole culture around collectively renting a rather dilapidated house in Clapham. It wasn't even single sex accommodation, so we couldn't engage in the fun and games of para-homosexual activities - Girls just don't have the same grip on your loyalties as your Greek brothers
Yeah, I can see how English students would find that boring, since they do all their homosexual activity in prep school. It's old hat by University.