Yes, you are correct, I pasted the wrong link. I'm sorry about that
"Need me to continue? Or have I proved my point?"
Yes, you have made your point. However, I have a counter point to make. We're comparing two different things I believe. I was talking about individual patches, you're talking about cummulative updates in most of your links here. Even the big single one you show is 1/4th of the size of Firebird. (Mozilla? I keep getting the names confused.) Most of the quick fixes I've installed were tiny, well under a meg. When installing anew, I can download the one big cummulative update. Yeah, big download, but an occasional one. My point? Updating Mozilla via uninstall/reinstall for a simple fix isn't so efficient, never mind the drastically simpler interface IE gives you.
For the record, I'm not an IE zealot. I don't like it really. I'm an Opera zealot. That's a 4 meg install. I hate udpating it for similar reasons.
"At 5MB for Firefox (on windows), its far smaller than the average IE 'patch', which normally are around 7 MB or so."
Bullshit. There's a fix for an IE exploit. 365K. Would you want to reinstall your entire browser, just to fix that one little thing that you urgently want to get corrected?
"The 4MB size of the complete Mozilla browser is smaller than many of Microsoft's IE updates have been."
Maybe version updates. However, most IE fixes are a couple of hundred K. Right now, I have a cumilative update that's 2.8 meg that fixes a small handful of things. What you're suggesting would require a 4 megabyte download just to fix a typo in the credits.
"So, while you may have to re-download the whole browser, the actual file size is still smaller."
This would only be true under strange scheduling circumstances. On top of that, IE updates don't require an uninstall.
I easily prefer Firefox to IE, but this statement is misleading in a couple of different directions. Microsoft definitely has Mozilla beat when it comes to the efficiency of updates like this, whether you focus on just the size of the file or if you expand that out to the total end user experience.
"IF their have been over 24 murders that can be linked to rockstar why doesn't he name ONE?"
Remember when those kids blamed GTA3 for sniping a car that drove by? That just stank of "Uh oh, how can we get out of trouble? I know, my mom is afraid of me playing violent games, so..."
Why do I have the feeling that most if not all of those 24 cases fall into that category? I mean, seriously, if games could control peeps like that, then why not more serious in-game advertising?
"My Toshiba Satellite A45-S121 gets 4-5 hours of battery life on dim backlight."
I have a Toshiba M-200 and I enjoy similar luck. The difference is it is a Tablet PC. Damn I love this thing. No built in optical drive, though. Great for browsing from the couch and doodling. Basically what I bought it for. 1400 by 1050 screen to boot.
"Well that and the fact that it costs 20 grand to get a patent in the first place."
No it doesn't. It's still expensive, but not 20k. The company I used to work for (small underfunded company) spent like 5k per patent. Roughly 1k of it was the actual filing and the rest went to the lawyer.
"then I grabbed this one program. I think it was called Mac OS X. Ever since then, haven't had any viruses, crashes or slow performance. You should give it a try..."
Crap. Now I'm getting 0 fps in Vice City. *sigh* Back to work I guess.
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"Brainwashing is one of the greatest joys of parenthood. :D"
Pity promoting Linux to your kid is detrimental to grandparenthood.
"If your boat is full of holes, and you plug up just a few of them, does that stop the water coming in?"
Since not every hole is underwater to begin with, plugging the most urgent holes isn't a futile task.
Are we done using pointless mmetaphors?
"Does it really matter if it will play dvd movies?"
Not this time. Everybody has a dvd player now.
"First time? This is Service Pack 2. They missed "get it right the first time" by two revisions!"
Yeah, Linux and OSX have been done with security updates for years now. Windows needs to catch up.
"We are talking about IE here, not 2K."
Yes, you are correct, I pasted the wrong link. I'm sorry about that
"Need me to continue? Or have I proved my point?"
Yes, you have made your point. However, I have a counter point to make. We're comparing two different things I believe. I was talking about individual patches, you're talking about cummulative updates in most of your links here. Even the big single one you show is 1/4th of the size of Firebird. (Mozilla? I keep getting the names confused.) Most of the quick fixes I've installed were tiny, well under a meg. When installing anew, I can download the one big cummulative update. Yeah, big download, but an occasional one. My point? Updating Mozilla via uninstall/reinstall for a simple fix isn't so efficient, never mind the drastically simpler interface IE gives you.
For the record, I'm not an IE zealot. I don't like it really. I'm an Opera zealot. That's a 4 meg install. I hate udpating it for similar reasons.
"Why make it easy on them?"
To roll the dice in favor of avoiding the falling of buildings.
"The spooks are good, I'll give them that. I'll assume they'll crack my messages. . .given time, so I just won't give them that time."
The problem with your logic is that it assumes that this is simple enough that every would-be terrorist would just do it that way.
a.) Not looking would be painful if somebody managed to get away with it. Just on the off chance that something MIGHT have been found.
b.) It's simple enough to wipe your fingerprints off a gun or a glass, yet there are people who still don't do this when they commit a crime.
You might be a bad-ass-would-be-terrorist, but the implication (I hope you can forgive my making assumptions here) that it's ineffective is flawed.
"is the FCC getting more permission to sniff my packets..."
Why, are there exposed breasts going through them?
"I'm not stupid why would a terrorist be?"
To be fair, fingerprints are a well known aspect of catching criminals. Despite that, people are still busted because they left fingerprints behind.
Think about that a bit before going into the "This is easy enouhg to bypass" rationale.
"At 5MB for Firefox (on windows), its far smaller than the average IE 'patch', which normally are around 7 MB or so."
Bullshit. There's a fix for an IE exploit. 365K. Would you want to reinstall your entire browser, just to fix that one little thing that you urgently want to get corrected?
"The 4MB size of the complete Mozilla browser is smaller than many of Microsoft's IE updates have been."
Maybe version updates. However, most IE fixes are a couple of hundred K. Right now, I have a cumilative update that's 2.8 meg that fixes a small handful of things. What you're suggesting would require a 4 megabyte download just to fix a typo in the credits.
"So, while you may have to re-download the whole browser, the actual file size is still smaller."
This would only be true under strange scheduling circumstances. On top of that, IE updates don't require an uninstall.
I easily prefer Firefox to IE, but this statement is misleading in a couple of different directions. Microsoft definitely has Mozilla beat when it comes to the efficiency of updates like this, whether you focus on just the size of the file or if you expand that out to the total end user experience.
" Is this an obsolete skill? "
I dunno about obsolete. Consider, though, that many people these days are forced to learn to type fast. It's sort of like running.
"Microsoft is a name that makes me want to break stuff."
I just like play gamee.
"*add salt here*."
Ow.
This comes hot off the heels of a purchase of a smal laptop with no internal DVD. Guess it's back to Kazaa.
Well, I dont know about you guys, but I think its about time for video games to reach the high moral standards only lawyers have attained!
Slashdot took out a few soldiers. What service can't we deny?
"IF their have been over 24 murders that can be linked to rockstar why doesn't he name ONE?"
Remember when those kids blamed GTA3 for sniping a car that drove by? That just stank of "Uh oh, how can we get out of trouble? I know, my mom is afraid of me playing violent games, so..."
Why do I have the feeling that most if not all of those 24 cases fall into that category? I mean, seriously, if games could control peeps like that, then why not more serious in-game advertising?
"My Toshiba Satellite A45-S121 gets 4-5 hours of battery life on dim backlight."
I have a Toshiba M-200 and I enjoy similar luck. The difference is it is a Tablet PC. Damn I love this thing. No built in optical drive, though. Great for browsing from the couch and doodling. Basically what I bought it for. 1400 by 1050 screen to boot.
"The fear factor hasn't worked - no one seems to be backing down from the US soldiers in the street."
That is one scenario. There isn't an 'all things to all people' solution.
I'm still playing "make sound work in KDE"!
"Who are we going to be fighting with this stuff? Terrorists? Belgium?"
Notice this is defense spending instead of offense spending. Build these things, train our soldiers on them, and nobody's gonna wanna fight us.
(That's the theory anyway.)
"Well that and the fact that it costs 20 grand to get a patent in the first place."
No it doesn't. It's still expensive, but not 20k. The company I used to work for (small underfunded company) spent like 5k per patent. Roughly 1k of it was the actual filing and the rest went to the lawyer.
"of us have been using Linux as a desktop OS for years, with great results, so the claim that it's not "ready for the desktop" is kind of ridiculous."
Replace thousands with millions, then the argument is ridiculous.
"then I grabbed this one program. I think it was called Mac OS X. Ever since then, haven't had any viruses, crashes or slow performance. You should give it a try..."
Crap. Now I'm getting 0 fps in Vice City. *sigh* Back to work I guess.