"Note I didn't say that Kerry, Clinton or some other random "Democrat" would have done anything better."
Yes, you are right. I wasn't thinking of you specifically when I wrote that. Sorry for not being clearer about that.
"It just makes me fucking sick when I see guys who still believe that the people who have clawed their way up to the highest leadership positions in the country really care about morals and not just about money and power."
We share agreement here.
" I arrived at the conslusion that the system does not reward people who care about morals all on my own, imagine that."
I agree with you here as well. I don't think the system is encouraging the right people to come by and be president. Wish I knew how to fix it but I'm still chewing on what the actual problem is. I feel that if you have to win by pointing out the faults of your competitors on TV (be they truthful or not), then anybody who campaigns is negatively tainted.
"If you criticize someone for not following UN resolutions and cite that as a reason for kicking him in the nads and on the other side fail to recognize that other people are doing exactly the same, you're inconsistent! That's called "double standards". Inconsistent people are NOT credible. Mmmkay?"
No, it is not relevent. Besides being chock full of a bunch of different variables/motivations, proving hypocracy does not prove much else. Seriously, there's not even enough to say "double standard" here. It's like saying "How come we can land on the moon, but we can't raise the Titanic?"
"Two words I hate; 'fair' and 'ideal'... Life is neither, get over it. Who REALLY works in an 'ideal situation'? I sure as hell don't."
Lots of people work in an ideal situation. Unfortunately, we're not quite on equal ground about the definition of idea. You're thinking of ideal as "Something for nothing", whereas I'm using it like "Both sides benefit from it". My ideal career with art isn't drinking mojitos on the beach somewhere in the Caribbean. This would take me in the wrong direction away from doing my art. The ideal situation would be that the art I create is used for a larger purpose, I'm paid respectably for it, and I'm given adequate time to do it. Usually in real life, you can only expect 2 of the three. Still, though, two out of three is better than trying to do it on the side.
Actually I remember on 9/12 the Gov't said very clearly that they didn't think it was Iraq. Oh well.
"I don't subscribe to anyone's propaganda."
Bullshit. You're spouting it off right now. You're not speaking from the PoV of somebody who's arrived at this conclusion on their own.
" I hate all of those fuckhead politicians and I hate the fact that people blindly follow them because they tell them what they want to hear."
Despite what I said in the previous line, I do 100% agree with you here. I think it's funny that people think we're a presidential election away from all our problems getting fixed. Boy are they in for an unpleasant surprise.
"Yeah.. which is exactly why many have a problem with it. An itchy trigger finger is likely to get you in jail, even in the USA, why would it be acceptable behavior from a country as a whole?"
Why are you asking me? I didn't say it was acceptable. I think the UN's lack of action was less acceptable, however. Nobody seems to care about that. Guess it's easier to hate the US than it is to see the problem that the UN created.
"Untill you realize that big friend Israel has been racking about double that amount of resolutions since 1867 alone.. when is the USA gonna take action there?"
Not really relevant to this dicussion, sorry.
"The bottomline is that GW and soem peopel he appointed to his government had an issue to settle with Sadam still. GW because he doesn't like peopel who try to kill his dad, and some peopel in his government because of wanting to finish what they had started when Bush senior was president."
Not a very strong point as Clinton had Saddam's ousting on his schedule as well. Even if this is about revenge for attempting assasination of Bush Sr., there's still the matter of the rest of the staff going along with it. Not very impressed with this argument.
"The rest fof it was a partially made-up, and completely blown out of proportion argument to justify it."
Perhaps. The problem is we don't know if the info was made up, or just unreliable. It's bad either way, but it would be interesting to know from a motive stand point.
One thing to consider, though, is re-election. Would Bush really roll the dice to make up a reason to hit Iraq and risk it being sniffed out just before the 04 election? Frankly, I'm not convinced of this. I mean seriously, how would he possibly talk Blair into going in on it? It's possible, but it doesn't make that much sense.
"Luckily there are many Americans who are sick of the idiot attitude of their current government as well and don't want to be ruled by a bunch of lying fascists, I hope they manage to do something about it because the way things are now, the USA is going to cause a major war if not a 3rd world war."
Heh. Well the only way we're going to fix our government is to radically change how people get into office in the first place. There is a lot of bad motivators out there to get into office, and a lot of crappy ways (i.e. abuse of the media) to get in there. It's not a matter of electing the right man, that's futile, it's a matter of removing those bad influences.
As for the 3rd world war, sorry, no, that's just not in our future. I don't doubt that more blood will be spilled, but it's very difficult to imagine that it'd escalate to nuclear proportions. A lot of things would have to change.
"You need to get your hand off your dick and spend more time educating yourself and less time as a Faux News watching tool of politics."
Heh actually I don't watch Fox News. Besides the point anyway, the issue here isn't that I'm wrong or uneducated, it's that I don't agree with you. As such, I must be a moron, right?
I wish this whole controversy was more about analyzing what really happened instead of trying to pin all the blame on Bush. Not that I care so much about it, but the next President we have, even if it isn't Bush, is going to piss everybody off for whatever reason. Why? Because the USA has actual real problems, problems that aren't going to be solvable to everybody's happiness. Frankly, I haven't been impressed by Bush's performance in the White House, and I'm even less impressed by the idiots (mostly democrats) who are trying so hard to oust him that they see negativity and despair in everything.
And then dumb-ass zealots such as yourself pop up, and attack my intelligence for not agreeing with you. Boo fucking hoo. So I don't subscribe to the same propoganda that you do. Damn me for that.
"Sorry, but it sounds like you want everything handed to you. I hope I'm wrong..."
Yes, you are wrong. I don't want everything handed to me. (Seriously, I've never even purchased a lottery ticket.) In my particular case, (I'm not a musician...) I want my talents to be utilized, preferably in the visual FX arena. Once I'm doing that, I'm going to be happy. I'll be doing artwork for a living, and I'll be doing something constructive to boot.
Could I do the artwork, make a little on the side, and still work a full time job? Yes, I've done that for 6 years now. It sucks. It's hard on the sleep schedule, and it takes me away from my family for too long. The worst part is that I'm tired by the time I sit down to do it. It's a bumer, too, because they're not getting the most energy out of me.
"Besides, hard work will help you create good art in the future. A real artist can draw upon past experiences."
Man I hate this generalization. It doesn't apply to all types of art. Also, it's impossible to say that the end result is better either way you go. If I make something as a result for working 5 years at a crappy job, will that outweigh 5 years of professional experience as an artist? 9 out of 10 times, no, not even close.
"Tell me, as an artist, why can't you play gigs as your job? That at least is a real job. Then you can sell official merchandise to fans, and if the masses want pirate copies for free, so be it."
Sorry, I'm not that type of artist, I'm a 3D artist. I can take a stab at answering it, though:
- Getting that gig to play isn't easy.
- Getting enough pay to support yourself playing those gigs isn't easy.
- Pursuing that option can take time away from developing yourself into a better artist.
At least in the 3D art arena this is more or less true. I've been a 3D artist for years, but my last job didn't use my art skills, so I had to take additional time out of my day to produce the reel I need to get a new job. I've been able to produce a decent one, but now my lack of studio experience is biting my rump. Heh. I am talented, and I want to do this for a living, but it ceases being fun to do when I trade a good night's sleep for it.
"They couldn't wait any longer? Couldn't? As in, "Oh, boy, I can't wait to go start a war!"?
Yes, the US was eager to get it taken care of. They had an itchy trigger finger, so to speak. Of course, in the space of 10 years or so, Saddam had racked up 17 UN violations. Pity Clinton didn't take care of it.
I pay $10 a month to listen to a vast library of music. That's far cheaper than I would normally pay a month. They're not making as much money off me since the playing field has been leveled to 'fair'.
Frankly, they're lucky to even be getting that. Seeing as how they've already branded me as a thief for owning a CD burner, I should just go on an MP3 rampage.
"If the USA can ignore the UN and attack Iraq, then they can sure as shit ignore the UN for *any* reason."
To be fair, the UN wasn't doing their job with Iraq. The US didn't ignore them, they just couldn't wait any longer. Somehow I doubt that'll take place here, especially if the US's interests are being served.
"We all know that Microsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on regarding rhyming OS names."
That's not true. There may be a weakness there, but saying they don't have a leg to stand on is ridiculous. Don't believe me? Then think about a company you don't hate, like Palm. Why is their trademark okay but Windows isn't?
That's not the real crux of the matter, though. Simply put, Lindows' motivation was malicious. Here's a few little facts:
- Microsoft has had the Windows trademark for a few years now. Not to mention that their de-facto monopoly status strengthens the notion that they own that name.
- Lindows is meant to be very much like Windows, to the point that users can have a hard time telling the difference, especially if they went to Walmart and bought one of those PCs.
- The CEO of Lindows put up $250,000 to reward somebody for hacking the X-BOX. I don't know if that would make it into court over this matter or not, but he still intentionally set out to do Microsoft harm.
It would be awful if Lindows won this case without any reprecussions for the intentional bullying they were trying to do. I know it's fun to hate Microsoft and all, but this form of litiguous bs is exactly what you're mad at SCO for. Don't let Lindows ruin the reputation of the Linux/Open Source Communities.
"How can they possibly expect to compete with free downloads?"
There's a couple of ways:
1.) If they advertise, then people who haven't heard of ROMs before know where to go.
2.) Service. I mucked around with ROMs a while back. It was a pain in the ass finding them. Even bigger pain in the ass downloading them. If I wasn't entering pop-up hell (not so rough these days given modern browsers, etc...), I was being asked to vote for places in order to proceed.
If I ever get the itch to play with ROMs again, they'll be the first place I try. Why would I do that instead of trying to find free downloads? Because free isn't so free when you're hugely inconvenienced along the way.
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"Note I didn't say that Kerry, Clinton or some other random "Democrat" would have done anything better."
Yes, you are right. I wasn't thinking of you specifically when I wrote that. Sorry for not being clearer about that.
"It just makes me fucking sick when I see guys who still believe that the people who have clawed their way up to the highest leadership positions in the country really care about morals and not just about money and power."
We share agreement here.
" I arrived at the conslusion that the system does not reward people who care about morals all on my own, imagine that."
I agree with you here as well. I don't think the system is encouraging the right people to come by and be president. Wish I knew how to fix it but I'm still chewing on what the actual problem is. I feel that if you have to win by pointing out the faults of your competitors on TV (be they truthful or not), then anybody who campaigns is negatively tainted.
"If you criticize someone for not following UN resolutions and cite that as a reason for kicking him in the nads and on the other side fail to recognize that other people are doing exactly the same, you're inconsistent! That's called "double standards". Inconsistent people are NOT credible. Mmmkay?"
No, it is not relevent. Besides being chock full of a bunch of different variables/motivations, proving hypocracy does not prove much else. Seriously, there's not even enough to say "double standard" here. It's like saying "How come we can land on the moon, but we can't raise the Titanic?"
"Two words I hate; 'fair' and 'ideal'... Life is neither, get over it. Who REALLY works in an 'ideal situation'? I sure as hell don't."
Lots of people work in an ideal situation. Unfortunately, we're not quite on equal ground about the definition of idea. You're thinking of ideal as "Something for nothing", whereas I'm using it like "Both sides benefit from it". My ideal career with art isn't drinking mojitos on the beach somewhere in the Caribbean. This would take me in the wrong direction away from doing my art. The ideal situation would be that the art I create is used for a larger purpose, I'm paid respectably for it, and I'm given adequate time to do it. Usually in real life, you can only expect 2 of the three. Still, though, two out of three is better than trying to do it on the side.
Yeah, life's hard, but it's not impossible.
"Greater artists than you have created stuff while supporting themselves with a full time job. What makes you so fuckin' special, besides laziness?"
Sorry, I don't remember using the word 'impossible' anywhere. Can't answer your question.
" Additionally, Saddam had ... ties to 9/11."
Actually I remember on 9/12 the Gov't said very clearly that they didn't think it was Iraq. Oh well.
"I don't subscribe to anyone's propaganda."
Bullshit. You're spouting it off right now. You're not speaking from the PoV of somebody who's arrived at this conclusion on their own.
" I hate all of those fuckhead politicians and I hate the fact that people blindly follow them because they tell them what they want to hear."
Despite what I said in the previous line, I do 100% agree with you here. I think it's funny that people think we're a presidential election away from all our problems getting fixed. Boy are they in for an unpleasant surprise.
"Yeah.. which is exactly why many have a problem with it. An itchy trigger finger is likely to get you in jail, even in the USA, why would it be acceptable behavior from a country as a whole?"
Why are you asking me? I didn't say it was acceptable. I think the UN's lack of action was less acceptable, however. Nobody seems to care about that. Guess it's easier to hate the US than it is to see the problem that the UN created.
"Untill you realize that big friend Israel has been racking about double that amount of resolutions since 1867 alone.. when is the USA gonna take action there?"
Not really relevant to this dicussion, sorry.
"The bottomline is that GW and soem peopel he appointed to his government had an issue to settle with Sadam still. GW because he doesn't like peopel who try to kill his dad, and some peopel in his government because of wanting to finish what they had started when Bush senior was president."
Not a very strong point as Clinton had Saddam's ousting on his schedule as well. Even if this is about revenge for attempting assasination of Bush Sr., there's still the matter of the rest of the staff going along with it. Not very impressed with this argument.
"The rest fof it was a partially made-up, and completely blown out of proportion argument to justify it."
Perhaps. The problem is we don't know if the info was made up, or just unreliable. It's bad either way, but it would be interesting to know from a motive stand point.
One thing to consider, though, is re-election. Would Bush really roll the dice to make up a reason to hit Iraq and risk it being sniffed out just before the 04 election? Frankly, I'm not convinced of this. I mean seriously, how would he possibly talk Blair into going in on it? It's possible, but it doesn't make that much sense.
"Luckily there are many Americans who are sick of the idiot attitude of their current government as well and don't want to be ruled by a bunch of lying fascists, I hope they manage to do something about it because the way things are now, the USA is going to cause a major war if not a 3rd world war."
Heh. Well the only way we're going to fix our government is to radically change how people get into office in the first place. There is a lot of bad motivators out there to get into office, and a lot of crappy ways (i.e. abuse of the media) to get in there. It's not a matter of electing the right man, that's futile, it's a matter of removing those bad influences.
As for the 3rd world war, sorry, no, that's just not in our future. I don't doubt that more blood will be spilled, but it's very difficult to imagine that it'd escalate to nuclear proportions. A lot of things would have to change.
"You need to get your hand off your dick and spend more time educating yourself and less time as a Faux News watching tool of politics."
Heh actually I don't watch Fox News. Besides the point anyway, the issue here isn't that I'm wrong or uneducated, it's that I don't agree with you. As such, I must be a moron, right?
I wish this whole controversy was more about analyzing what really happened instead of trying to pin all the blame on Bush. Not that I care so much about it, but the next President we have, even if it isn't Bush, is going to piss everybody off for whatever reason. Why? Because the USA has actual real problems, problems that aren't going to be solvable to everybody's happiness. Frankly, I haven't been impressed by Bush's performance in the White House, and I'm even less impressed by the idiots (mostly democrats) who are trying so hard to oust him that they see negativity and despair in everything.
And then dumb-ass zealots such as yourself pop up, and attack my intelligence for not agreeing with you. Boo fucking hoo. So I don't subscribe to the same propoganda that you do. Damn me for that.
"Sorry, but it sounds like you want everything handed to you. I hope I'm wrong..."
Yes, you are wrong. I don't want everything handed to me. (Seriously, I've never even purchased a lottery ticket.) In my particular case, (I'm not a musician...) I want my talents to be utilized, preferably in the visual FX arena. Once I'm doing that, I'm going to be happy. I'll be doing artwork for a living, and I'll be doing something constructive to boot.
Could I do the artwork, make a little on the side, and still work a full time job? Yes, I've done that for 6 years now. It sucks. It's hard on the sleep schedule, and it takes me away from my family for too long. The worst part is that I'm tired by the time I sit down to do it. It's a bumer, too, because they're not getting the most energy out of me.
"Besides, hard work will help you create good art in the future. A real artist can draw upon past experiences."
Man I hate this generalization. It doesn't apply to all types of art. Also, it's impossible to say that the end result is better either way you go. If I make something as a result for working 5 years at a crappy job, will that outweigh 5 years of professional experience as an artist? 9 out of 10 times, no, not even close.
That's an interesting question. I'm not sure now. I saw a print ad for $70 GBAs a couple of weeks ago. eh maybe it was used or something.
I retract the $69 comment and replace it with $99. Sorry for the error.
"And this is different from how human body language is used how?"
Humans don't often need to wash their hands after the end of a heated exchagne.
"Tell me, as an artist, why can't you play gigs as your job? That at least is a real job. Then you can sell official merchandise to fans, and if the masses want pirate copies for free, so be it."
Sorry, I'm not that type of artist, I'm a 3D artist. I can take a stab at answering it, though:
- Getting that gig to play isn't easy.
- Getting enough pay to support yourself playing those gigs isn't easy.
- Pursuing that option can take time away from developing yourself into a better artist.
At least in the 3D art arena this is more or less true. I've been a 3D artist for years, but my last job didn't use my art skills, so I had to take additional time out of my day to produce the reel I need to get a new job. I've been able to produce a decent one, but now my lack of studio experience is biting my rump. Heh. I am talented, and I want to do this for a living, but it ceases being fun to do when I trade a good night's sleep for it.
If I were homosexual, why would that be -1?
"Um, you mean the same Swiss that collaborated with the Nazis during World War II?"
50 years ago, yeah?
I gotta ask, what country has a great record going back 50 years?
"They couldn't wait any longer? Couldn't? As in, "Oh, boy, I can't wait to go start a war!"?
Yes, the US was eager to get it taken care of. They had an itchy trigger finger, so to speak. Of course, in the space of 10 years or so, Saddam had racked up 17 UN violations. Pity Clinton didn't take care of it.
I pay $10 a month to listen to a vast library of music. That's far cheaper than I would normally pay a month. They're not making as much money off me since the playing field has been leveled to 'fair'.
Frankly, they're lucky to even be getting that. Seeing as how they've already branded me as a thief for owning a CD burner, I should just go on an MP3 rampage.
"Why can't the artist get a job like the rest of us?"
Speaking as an artist: Full time jobs cut into your ability to create good art. It's not an ideal situation.
"If the USA can ignore the UN and attack Iraq, then they can sure as shit ignore the UN for *any* reason."
To be fair, the UN wasn't doing their job with Iraq. The US didn't ignore them, they just couldn't wait any longer. Somehow I doubt that'll take place here, especially if the US's interests are being served.
"Umm...we *are* talking about the device w/o a touchscreen or mouse, right?"
The cursor interface would work just fine.
"Why buy an inferior product at a higher price?"
Higher price? The GBA SP is $70 right now. The *cheapest* GP32 there is 90 pounds, which is considerably more than $70.
Why buy an 'inferior' product? Because I like the games on that inferior product.
"LinDOES
because WinCANT"
LinDOH! My games don't work!
"We all know that Microsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on regarding rhyming OS names."
That's not true. There may be a weakness there, but saying they don't have a leg to stand on is ridiculous. Don't believe me? Then think about a company you don't hate, like Palm. Why is their trademark okay but Windows isn't?
That's not the real crux of the matter, though. Simply put, Lindows' motivation was malicious. Here's a few little facts:
- Microsoft has had the Windows trademark for a few years now. Not to mention that their de-facto monopoly status strengthens the notion that they own that name.
- Lindows is meant to be very much like Windows, to the point that users can have a hard time telling the difference, especially if they went to Walmart and bought one of those PCs.
- The CEO of Lindows put up $250,000 to reward somebody for hacking the X-BOX. I don't know if that would make it into court over this matter or not, but he still intentionally set out to do Microsoft harm.
It would be awful if Lindows won this case without any reprecussions for the intentional bullying they were trying to do. I know it's fun to hate Microsoft and all, but this form of litiguous bs is exactly what you're mad at SCO for. Don't let Lindows ruin the reputation of the Linux/Open Source Communities.
"I've never heard of the metroid series and it's mentioned as Nintendo's largest franchise."
Isn't that kinda like coming to Slashdot and saying "WTF is Mozilla?"
"How can they possibly expect to compete with free downloads?"
There's a couple of ways:
1.) If they advertise, then people who haven't heard of ROMs before know where to go.
2.) Service. I mucked around with ROMs a while back. It was a pain in the ass finding them. Even bigger pain in the ass downloading them. If I wasn't entering pop-up hell (not so rough these days given modern browsers, etc...), I was being asked to vote for places in order to proceed.
If I ever get the itch to play with ROMs again, they'll be the first place I try. Why would I do that instead of trying to find free downloads? Because free isn't so free when you're hugely inconvenienced along the way.
"look out for snakes!"
Not funny. I'd mod that -1, Ant-eater.
"Or if you're geek enough you can tape yourself badger-badgering: http://www.mtl2600.org/media/video/badgerbadger.mp g"
I betcha none of those guys ever hear the phrase "Daddy? What's with the badger video?"