"And this is modded "insightful" ? Well, I don't know what's worse, to claim everything Microsoft does is evil, or to judge people before they even say anything;-)"
"More evidence that Europeans are a more civilized in their driving?"
Yeah the evidence here is about as strong as speculating that the British 'bad teeth' stereotype is more evidence that Americans are better at hygiene. It sounds convincing, but only to the right ears.
"That could mean more accidents, or it may not, just like speeding causes accidents sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. The end result is that it doesn't really accomplish anything; it just converts the offense."
Maybe. Or maybe it will pavlovically train people that speeding = delays. Frankly, this is a more likely scenario than people risking their lives running intersections.
"So instead of just speeders we'll have speeders that run red lights...."
Darwinism will pull them out of the gene pool.
Seriously, though, what makes you think every single person will just run the light? Why do you feel that everybody will risk getting t-boned at an intersection?
"I seriously hope that was a feeble attempt at humour. Otherwise it is really, really disturbing that people actually want to watch this. "
At the risk of being branded as 'unbalanced', yes, I am curious about seeing the video. Sorry, but I'm human, and I'm not going to lie about not wanting to see it just to try to convince you all that I'm operating on some higher level of morality. It's not often that one gets to see the final moments of somebody's life. Morbid? Maybe. But we'll all die some day.
"Look they're dead, there's nothing you can do about it, so what's a couple more hours."
If you have ever missed a chance to say goodbye, you wouldn't have this opinion.
"So you say you're a doctor, well that's great, whoop dee doo."
No, I'm not. Never said that. I may have been a little ambiguous in another post, maybe. The reason I think about it is one of my free-lance customers is a doctor and he has to carry his phone around 24-7. As for how many take up the population, sorry bub, not relevant. This is human life here, not the needs of the many.
"I feel sorry for those of you who somehow are too stupid to realize that you're not chained to your phone. Ya know, it is possible to just simply silence your phone and not answer it, it really is.'
It's not really your call to make, is it? Tell that to an unemployed man waiting to hear from places he's applied to. Tell that to somebody who has a family member in the hospital. Tell that to a sales guy.
"I just say screw the whole deal and don't answer my phone if I don't feel like it. It's been that way for ages and the world hasn't stopped turning yet."
Which is fine for you, that in no way implies that it is fine for the rest of hte planet.
"Yes, I'm flaming the crud out of you, I don't really care. I think most people are idiots anyways, feel free to think the same of me."
I don't think you're an idiot, but I do think you're being too self-centered to really realize what you're saying. Unfortunately, you've already resigned yourself to the opinion that I'm an idiot, so I don't expect my response to be taken very seriously. Oh well.
"80% of home users can do just fine with that horribly old pentium III-800 (hell a 500 is just fine) running windows 98 or another efficient OS (no W2K and XP are NOT efficient in any way) running Office 97 (when OO.o is as fast as office 97 I'll reccomend it) and basic internet."
Actually, Win2k would be far better for a P3-500 than Windows 98. They won't need to reboot every single day. Once every couple of weeks, tops.
"Sorry to shout, but isn't it bleedingly obvious?"
Great, even though my job is to save lives, I'm not allowed into a theater despite the fact that I set my phone to vibrate every single time I enter one of these places.
"2. When you notice someone on a cell phone, or get a complaint about someone on a cell phone, remove the offender."
Oh man, that dude's dating my ex! I know, I'll tell the usher he used his cell phone.
"3. Do not refund their money."
Look sir, you know the rules. Somebody reported that you used a cell phone. We can't verify that, but we're protected by posting a sign up. So we're keeping your money.
" So, what stands to question, is can the cell phones still make outgoing calls? Remember, from the description in the article, it's not a normal jammer, although those are mentioned."
If you're phone is saying "no service" then outgoing calls probably won't go through. Depends on the phone, maybe.
I agree, though, this is a dumb solution. It's a social problem, not a technical one. Make it unacceptable to disturb somebody. I can't speak for the entire country, but in the last couple of years, cell phone obnoxiousness has gone down. I have witnessed a number of people pull their cell phones out when a movie starts to turn them off. So if all these people are doing that, why punish them by killing service to their phone?
Frankly, I think a better solution could be developed. Cell phones are digital now. Down the road, I can imagine that service will be set up where phones automatically go into silent mode depending on the building you are in. I like this solution. It removes some of the accidental bs from happening.
The most insulting part is that these places think they're more important than a call you might recieve. Imagine a guy leaving the theater, getting out of range of the jammer, and then getting a voicemail that his father's been in an accident. "Oh man! I could have left the theater an hour ago!! nO!!"
I don't mind finding a way to make the audible phone ring go away, it's the "no service for you" attitude that is just the wrong way to solve that problem.
" so you always have the option of not going to see that movie or that concert."
That's a shitty thing to tell a doctor, or a father who wants to keep in touch with his kids.
What really bugs me is this punishes the people who use their cell phone politely. Think about it, at least half of everybody in a theater has a cell phone. Yet, at most, one ringer might go off. One idiot spoils it for everybody.
"And here come the "+5, Funny" mods for tired old sexist jokes that aren't."
I didn't read that as an anti-woman-driver joke, I read it as a "demonstrating that guys have warped views" joke. In other words, I think he was saying that to make us sound silly, not women.
I can't say for sure what he meant, but I doubt he was serious given the "*Ducks!!*" comment. Try not to be offended, guys think they're funny by joking about being sexist.
"Add to that a faraday cage to prevent cell phones from working."
Make sure that cage prevents your CD player from working. Additionally, it should prevent you from eating in the car and adjusting your makeup. These cause many many car accidents as well. Last I heard, far more than cell phones have. (For the record, I haven't checked on that in a couple of years...)
"Are you suggesting that if someone places less value on short term leisure and recreational activities, invests more in his education, works harder and longer, and as a result earns more money, that he (and his family) should be relegated to the same relatively unsafe car (and relatively unsafe medical care) as the person who invested and worked less?"
I think what he was saying was that these devices really should be in all cars. Human life is more valuable than money.
"I don't intend buying an XBox, but I would buy a reduced-price Playstation 2 due to the awesome RPGs. The XBox doesn't have the games I want, the PS2 does."
That's the best reason to decide on a system. You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard people say stupid shit like "but the XBOX is just a crappy PC!" and "I don't want the XBOX because my Microsoft mouse broke! I can't trust that company!"
"I find it odd how the first and least powerful next-gen system is now at the highest price point."
I don't. It's supply and demand. History is full of stories about technically inferior products dominating. It's the best where it counts. Game selection.
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"And this is modded "insightful" ? Well, I don't know what's worse, to claim everything Microsoft does is evil, or to judge people before they even say anything ;-)"
Heh, don't blame me, I was aiming for 'funny'.
Boy I can't wait to see how everybody takes this as a creative writing exercise to tell us about how this is proof Microsoft is evil.
"One person will speed, the light will suddenly turn red.."
You'd still get the yellow/red warning. Besides, after this happens a couple of times, the locals won't be speeding anymore, will they?
"More evidence that Europeans are a more civilized in their driving?"
Yeah the evidence here is about as strong as speculating that the British 'bad teeth' stereotype is more evidence that Americans are better at hygiene. It sounds convincing, but only to the right ears.
"That could mean more accidents, or it may not, just like speeding causes accidents sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. The end result is that it doesn't really accomplish anything; it just converts the offense."
Maybe. Or maybe it will pavlovically train people that speeding = delays. Frankly, this is a more likely scenario than people risking their lives running intersections.
"So instead of just speeders we'll have speeders that run red lights...."
Darwinism will pull them out of the gene pool.
Seriously, though, what makes you think every single person will just run the light? Why do you feel that everybody will risk getting t-boned at an intersection?
"I seriously hope that was a feeble attempt at humour. Otherwise it is really, really disturbing that people actually want to watch this. "
At the risk of being branded as 'unbalanced', yes, I am curious about seeing the video. Sorry, but I'm human, and I'm not going to lie about not wanting to see it just to try to convince you all that I'm operating on some higher level of morality. It's not often that one gets to see the final moments of somebody's life. Morbid? Maybe. But we'll all die some day.
"Look they're dead, there's nothing you can do about it, so what's a couple more hours."
If you have ever missed a chance to say goodbye, you wouldn't have this opinion.
"So you say you're a doctor, well that's great, whoop dee doo."
No, I'm not. Never said that. I may have been a little ambiguous in another post, maybe. The reason I think about it is one of my free-lance customers is a doctor and he has to carry his phone around 24-7. As for how many take up the population, sorry bub, not relevant. This is human life here, not the needs of the many.
"I feel sorry for those of you who somehow are too stupid to realize that you're not chained to your phone. Ya know, it is possible to just simply silence your phone and not answer it, it really is.'
It's not really your call to make, is it? Tell that to an unemployed man waiting to hear from places he's applied to. Tell that to somebody who has a family member in the hospital. Tell that to a sales guy.
"I just say screw the whole deal and don't answer my phone if I don't feel like it. It's been that way for ages and the world hasn't stopped turning yet."
Which is fine for you, that in no way implies that it is fine for the rest of hte planet.
"Yes, I'm flaming the crud out of you, I don't really care. I think most people are idiots anyways, feel free to think the same of me."
I don't think you're an idiot, but I do think you're being too self-centered to really realize what you're saying. Unfortunately, you've already resigned yourself to the opinion that I'm an idiot, so I don't expect my response to be taken very seriously. Oh well.
"Well, actually, it is scary. Would you think it acceptable if your power failed for a couple minutes every two weeks?"
My computer is not running power to the rest of my house.
"How about if your car stalled on the highway?"
A computer failure will not result in my landing in the hospital.
"If your stove turned off while you were cooking dinner?"
My computer will not undercook my food and expose me to bacteria.
Sorry, guess I just don't see your point. I just can't overprioritize the functionality if my computer like that.
"80% of home users can do just fine with that horribly old pentium III-800 (hell a 500 is just fine) running windows 98 or another efficient OS (no W2K and XP are NOT efficient in any way) running Office 97 (when OO.o is as fast as office 97 I'll reccomend it) and basic internet."
Actually, Win2k would be far better for a P3-500 than Windows 98. They won't need to reboot every single day. Once every couple of weeks, tops.
"I take it that means you donate all your money to charity?"
I've donated quite a bit, yes.
"Otherwise, you're doing what everyone else is doing - putting a finite monetary value on human life."
Donations to charity, whether they happen or not, do not place a value on human life.
"Sorry to shout, but isn't it bleedingly obvious?"
Great, even though my job is to save lives, I'm not allowed into a theater despite the fact that I set my phone to vibrate every single time I enter one of these places.
"2. When you notice someone on a cell phone, or get a complaint about someone on a cell phone, remove the offender."
Oh man, that dude's dating my ex! I know, I'll tell the usher he used his cell phone.
"3. Do not refund their money."
Look sir, you know the rules. Somebody reported that you used a cell phone. We can't verify that, but we're protected by posting a sign up. So we're keeping your money.
"LEAVE IT WITH THE HOUSE MANAGER AND/OR USHER, WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO GET YOU IF IT RINGS.
Sorry to shout, but isn't it bleedingly obvious?"
It's bleedingly obvious that in the case of a doctor, that won't work.
1.) That call is PRIVATE. It's for the DOCTOR.
2.) We already pay $10 per person to see a movie. Like they're going to hire extra ppl and reserve space to be a phone valet.
3.) Dare I bring up the privacy issues that arise?
Don't be bone-headed.
" So, what stands to question, is can the cell phones still make outgoing calls? Remember, from the description in the article, it's not a normal jammer, although those are mentioned."
If you're phone is saying "no service" then outgoing calls probably won't go through. Depends on the phone, maybe.
I agree, though, this is a dumb solution. It's a social problem, not a technical one. Make it unacceptable to disturb somebody. I can't speak for the entire country, but in the last couple of years, cell phone obnoxiousness has gone down. I have witnessed a number of people pull their cell phones out when a movie starts to turn them off. So if all these people are doing that, why punish them by killing service to their phone?
Frankly, I think a better solution could be developed. Cell phones are digital now. Down the road, I can imagine that service will be set up where phones automatically go into silent mode depending on the building you are in. I like this solution. It removes some of the accidental bs from happening.
The most insulting part is that these places think they're more important than a call you might recieve. Imagine a guy leaving the theater, getting out of range of the jammer, and then getting a voicemail that his father's been in an accident. "Oh man! I could have left the theater an hour ago!! nO!!"
I don't mind finding a way to make the audible phone ring go away, it's the "no service for you" attitude that is just the wrong way to solve that problem.
"Well, what if I feel like transmitting "no service" signals?"
That's called jamming, and the FCC doesn't think too highly of it.
" so you always have the option of not going to see that movie or that concert."
That's a shitty thing to tell a doctor, or a father who wants to keep in touch with his kids.
What really bugs me is this punishes the people who use their cell phone politely. Think about it, at least half of everybody in a theater has a cell phone. Yet, at most, one ringer might go off. One idiot spoils it for everybody.
"If they keep protecting stupid people How do they expect evolution to produce a better human species?"
I just love the assumption that devices like these are only made to save stupid people.
"And here come the "+5, Funny" mods for tired old sexist jokes that aren't."
I didn't read that as an anti-woman-driver joke, I read it as a "demonstrating that guys have warped views" joke. In other words, I think he was saying that to make us sound silly, not women.
I can't say for sure what he meant, but I doubt he was serious given the "*Ducks!!*" comment. Try not to be offended, guys think they're funny by joking about being sexist.
"Add to that a faraday cage to prevent cell phones from working."
Make sure that cage prevents your CD player from working. Additionally, it should prevent you from eating in the car and adjusting your makeup. These cause many many car accidents as well. Last I heard, far more than cell phones have. (For the record, I haven't checked on that in a couple of years...)
"Are you suggesting that if someone places less value on short term leisure and recreational activities, invests more in his education, works harder and longer, and as a result earns more money, that he (and his family) should be relegated to the same relatively unsafe car (and relatively unsafe medical care) as the person who invested and worked less?"
I think what he was saying was that these devices really should be in all cars. Human life is more valuable than money.
"I don't intend buying an XBox, but I would buy a reduced-price Playstation 2 due to the awesome RPGs. The XBox doesn't have the games I want, the PS2 does."
That's the best reason to decide on a system. You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard people say stupid shit like "but the XBOX is just a crappy PC!" and "I don't want the XBOX because my Microsoft mouse broke! I can't trust that company!"
"I find it odd how the first and least powerful next-gen system is now at the highest price point."
I don't. It's supply and demand. History is full of stories about technically inferior products dominating. It's the best where it counts. Game selection.
" It's the Microsoft part of the name "Microsoft Windows" that makes it unique."
That's what they registerred, but it's still called and recognized by "Windows". Since the other product tries to imitate Windows, that's a no no.
" If anything it makes it harder to believe that someone could seriously mistake lindows for windows since M$ is so well known."
That logic flows the other way. If Windows is so widely known, then using a similar name and making a similar product was most definitely intentional.
"The XBox stuff is completely irrelevant."
As I said, I dont know if that'd make it into the case. It does, however, prove intent on Lindows' part.
"Regarding bullies, who's David and who's Goliath in this story? I think you have it exactly backwards."
Nope. Not at all. Just because Microsoft is bigger doesn't make them Goliath. They're more like the ChickenHawk.
Whatever.
"i wouldn't do that.'
Slashdot over-sensationalizes problems with Windows boxes. I wouldn't worry too much about the parent post.