And before that Netscape had half the market share. Oops.
"What does this have to do with anything?"not to use Netscape.
"So once again you are claiming that MS "cut off the air supply" tactics had ZERO effect on Netscape is that right? Zero? None? Not even one little bit?"
Actually, that was my first post on that particular discussion. So there is no 'once again'. As for the effect, who knows what the effect was? If Netscape had been a superior product, we'd know what Microsoft's effect was. However, Microsoft made a better product, and they won.
"If you think that the illegal and predatory tactics by MS had zero effect on Netscate you are a total idiot."
If you think Netscape was beaten unfairly, you are full of shit. We all know Microsoft did illegal stuff in that area. I'm not arguing they didn't. What I am arguing is that Netscape lost because they sucked, not because Microsoft did illegal stuff. As for if it had any effect, we'll never really know. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it had some effect, but I know it wasn't the death blow.
"Note that being moderated Funny doesn't help your karma. You have to be smart, not just a smart-ass. "
Pretty lame if you ask me. The FAQ suggests being funny if ya can. Everybody appreciates it when you succeed. Truth be told, we're not all experts in every topic that comes around on Slashdot, so why not reward us for the effort?
Yep, this is off-topic, and I won't whine if it's modded that way. But I do hope that the upper staff at Slashdot will reconsider this rule. Idoputeffortintomy+5 Funnycomments.
When I was about 5 years old, I thought I tried making an extension cord with an unbent coathanger. The way it worked was I ran the wire through those little holes in the prongs of my clock radio, then the other end through the prongs of a fan. When I plugged it in.. POOF.
The results were pretty, but I wouldn't recommmend getting power to your rack this way. I had a hard enough time explaining to my dad the scorch that went up the wall, let alone the clock radio never working right. Though I think I know what I did wrong, I never attempted that experiment again.
"in all seriousness, imagine linux on that thing. your own desktop pc to take with you whereveer you go. and if you bought one of those pocket tv's, it could serve as a pda too, maybe..
ok that would need some hacking, but you get my point"
Once they're done hacking it, I propose they call it 'Zaurus'.
"It does take a special kind of troll to suggest that MS actions and sleazeball tactics had zero effect on the demise of netscape though. Congratulations."
For Netscape to have survived, it would have had to have been a better offering than IE. They couldn't even make it stable for Linux. So spare us the MS is at fault for Netscape's demise bullshit.
"What sequel to a bad movie are you referring to ? This story is about the Spider-Man sequel, you know, the great characterisation, the innovative twist on an old story, the great acting and The Macho Man Randy Savage as BONESAW!"
" May I guess that you work for marketing department of Microsoft?"
Oh brother. I'm so fucking sick of hearing this. I agree with you that dude's a moron about Linux, but don't play the "You must work for Microsoft" card. It's sort of like comparing somebody to Hitler, only not as bad.
I'm aware of that, I still don't think they'll win. The term Window, for example, may be fairly common term to geeks like us. For the handful of us that use that term compared to the sea of people using Windows, suddenly the term's not so generic. Microsoft's use of the 'window' changed the perception of what a 'window' is in the computer world. It used to be just an area of the screen to blit text/graphics into, but now most ppl see it as a full blown resizable widget with File/Edit/Window buttons. (Note: I never used the word 'invent' so don't argue with me that Microsoft didn't invent it. I don't care.)
Lindows does not have that strong a case. In the CEO's position, I'd just change the stupid name and cry about it to Slashdot for sympathy. He can still make his case against Microsoft without putting his product on the line.
" Regardless of the motivations of Robertson, he has a case."
I respectfully disagree. Microsoft didn't register a common term, they registerred a term that is distinct in a particular context. They can't sue me for making a Windows Candy bar.
Worse, this is not the first time this has happened, not even close. This case is not unique. Microsoft's loss would mean a LOT of commpanies out there (maybe even some you like) would be negatively affected.
Im not convinced Lindows has any case. Nor do they have any reason to act like being sued was unfair or surprising. I seriously doubt a judge is even going to take this seriously, especially considering the injunction went through.
This is the wrong battle to fight. I might have some sympathy for them if they had called it Lin32.
"One of the main points of contention is that "Windows" is a generic term and "Linux" is not."
It's not a point, it's a rationalization to side against Microsoft. I might be willing to accept this rationale if Lindows had this happen by accident. Nope, they intentionally broke the law and are using this as a weak defense. And yes, generic terms can be trademarked. It's not a new grotesque phenomenon. Ask Palm.
"Seriously, "Windows" is a generic term where "Linux" clearly is not."
It was still clearly trademarked, and Lindows inentionally infringed on it. The matter of whether or not it is a valid trademark is not relevent. It was already established as a trademark, they didn't accidently go wandering into it. They also didn't make a serious change to the name. One letter. That's it. Legitimate trademark or not, Lindows is still guilty of it.
You guys are backing the wrong battle for the wrong reasons.
"Uh oh, what's that glass thing between you and the outside? A window? If there's more than one, you have windows.... Sorry M$, you picked a damn bad word to claim to trademark. Sue Mr. Webster while you're at it."
What's that fruit you're eating? Apple! What's that light coming from outside? The Sun! Who's that chick from the Matrix? The Oracle! Who's your date from last weekend? Palm!
Exactly my point. If you can see that Linus would be a 'hero' for defending the Linux trademark, then you must see Microsoft in the same light in the case of Lindows.
Just so it's clear, I'm not defending Microsoft here. I'm attacking this hypocritical behaviour. It's okay for Linus to defend his trademark, but Microsoft can't? This type of behaviour, besides being childish "boo hiss I hate Microsoft" it also will backfire against the Open Source Community. Fair is fair. If you guys can't demonstrate fairness and at least some objectivity, then don't expect your warnings about how 'evil' Microsoft is to be heard.
"I doubt anyone would care about something called Winix,"
If it came out by Microsoft, you bet your ass everybody here would care. "Microsoft is trying to destroy Linux's name!
"The problem with "Windows" as a trademark is that it's a generic term."
So is Sun, Oracle, Apple... Etc.
"Even in software "Windows" is a generic term used in every graphical operating system. That was the basis of the (so far successful) defense in the US."
Palm is a generic term relating to palmtop computers. Going after them next?
"Now, if Robertson was trying to sell something named "MSLindows", then I think Microsoft would have a claim that I would understand/defend/support."
Let's just get to the point here. You hate Microsoft, and you see this as an opportunity to punish them. That is why everybody here has their panties in a bunch about this topic. This isn't about trying to wrestle some trademark free. It's a nice noble rationalization, but gee, it didn't happen until Linux found itself in trouble over it. Which is interesting btw, because anybody with an ounce of common sense would not have named a Linux distro "Lindows". This was intentional, and its wasting your time and donation money to fight this. All for what... to get Microsoft to lose their trademark? Yeah, nasty blow to Microsoft, too bad they already burned the brand into everybody's brains.
Go put this energy into fighting the DMCA. Stop wasting your time trying to give Microsoft a black eye.
"Sorry, I don't donate money to people with 10's of millions in the bank."
I don't donate to companies that intentionally waste that donation on frivilous lawsuits. Calling it Lindows was really stupid. They had every expectation they'd be sued for it. And now they're acting like the big evil company is swooping down on them. This isn't about trying to right some wrong, it's about attacking Microsoft. Sorry, but any donations I make are going towards changing the DMCA, not towards some idiot CEO picking battles he has no need to win.
"It's worse. Shell Oil recently sued tOILet makers for copyright infringement. WC is the trademark for Windows Calendar, so we may get int trouble finding that damn Gazw7a."
Oh please. If Microsoft released their next server OS as "Winux", you wouldn't be cracking jokes like that.
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"Nothing like the smell of fresh dupe in the morning :)"
I stopped bitching when I realized that their paychecks are the same no matter how many dupes are posted.
"They did. IE was worse then shit until 4.0."
And before that Netscape had half the market share. Oops.
"What does this have to do with anything?"not to use Netscape.
"So once again you are claiming that MS "cut off the air supply" tactics had ZERO effect on Netscape is that right? Zero? None? Not even one little bit?"
Actually, that was my first post on that particular discussion. So there is no 'once again'. As for the effect, who knows what the effect was? If Netscape had been a superior product, we'd know what Microsoft's effect was. However, Microsoft made a better product, and they won.
"If you think that the illegal and predatory tactics by MS had zero effect on Netscate you are a total idiot."
If you think Netscape was beaten unfairly, you are full of shit. We all know Microsoft did illegal stuff in that area. I'm not arguing they didn't. What I am arguing is that Netscape lost because they sucked, not because Microsoft did illegal stuff. As for if it had any effect, we'll never really know. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it had some effect, but I know it wasn't the death blow.
"Note that being moderated Funny doesn't help your karma. You have to be smart, not just a smart-ass. "
Pretty lame if you ask me. The FAQ suggests being funny if ya can. Everybody appreciates it when you succeed. Truth be told, we're not all experts in every topic that comes around on Slashdot, so why not reward us for the effort?
Yep, this is off-topic, and I won't whine if it's modded that way. But I do hope that the upper staff at Slashdot will reconsider this rule. I do put effort into my +5 Funny comments.
I was hoping somebody'd see the humor in my post. Oh well. Sorry for making it sound like flamebait, didn't mean to.
I predict that somebody'll get modded up for explaining why SCO's distro sucks.
"It's not how big it is, it's how you use it..."
Whoopee, so you can paralell park. I can hit the maximum clearance sign. =)
When I was about 5 years old, I thought I tried making an extension cord with an unbent coathanger. The way it worked was I ran the wire through those little holes in the prongs of my clock radio, then the other end through the prongs of a fan. When I plugged it in.. POOF.
The results were pretty, but I wouldn't recommmend getting power to your rack this way. I had a hard enough time explaining to my dad the scorch that went up the wall, let alone the clock radio never working right. Though I think I know what I did wrong, I never attempted that experiment again.
"in all seriousness, imagine linux on that thing. your own desktop pc to take with you whereveer you go. and if you bought one of those pocket tv's, it could serve as a pda too, maybe ..
ok that would need some hacking, but you get my point"
Once they're done hacking it, I propose they call it 'Zaurus'.
"It does take a special kind of troll to suggest that MS actions and sleazeball tactics had zero effect on the demise of netscape though. Congratulations."
For Netscape to have survived, it would have had to have been a better offering than IE. They couldn't even make it stable for Linux. So spare us the MS is at fault for Netscape's demise bullshit.
"What sequel to a bad movie are you referring to ? This story is about the Spider-Man sequel, you know, the great characterisation, the innovative twist on an old story, the great acting and The Macho Man Randy Savage as BONESAW!"
Did you only watch the first half of the movie?
"millions??? you mean those who died because of the sanctions, set under US pressure, right? "
Considering who was in charge in Iraq, and what he was doing with his power, I find it difficult to blame the US for that. Cause, then effect.
Don't you know anything about gay-trolling?
" May I guess that you work for marketing department of Microsoft?"
Oh brother. I'm so fucking sick of hearing this. I agree with you that dude's a moron about Linux, but don't play the "You must work for Microsoft" card. It's sort of like comparing somebody to Hitler, only not as bad.
"They cant really blame us - I'm reminded of the old tale of the boy who cried wolf...."
I am too. One day, Slashdot's going to post an interesting story about SCO, and everybody'll ignore it.
Can anybody give me a layman's version of what this mystical math problem is? The f'n article thinks I already know this.
I'm aware of that, I still don't think they'll win. The term Window, for example, may be fairly common term to geeks like us. For the handful of us that use that term compared to the sea of people using Windows, suddenly the term's not so generic. Microsoft's use of the 'window' changed the perception of what a 'window' is in the computer world. It used to be just an area of the screen to blit text/graphics into, but now most ppl see it as a full blown resizable widget with File/Edit/Window buttons. (Note: I never used the word 'invent' so don't argue with me that Microsoft didn't invent it. I don't care.)
Lindows does not have that strong a case. In the CEO's position, I'd just change the stupid name and cry about it to Slashdot for sympathy. He can still make his case against Microsoft without putting his product on the line.
" Regardless of the motivations of Robertson, he has a case."
I respectfully disagree. Microsoft didn't register a common term, they registerred a term that is distinct in a particular context. They can't sue me for making a Windows Candy bar.
Worse, this is not the first time this has happened, not even close. This case is not unique. Microsoft's loss would mean a LOT of commpanies out there (maybe even some you like) would be negatively affected.
Im not convinced Lindows has any case. Nor do they have any reason to act like being sued was unfair or surprising. I seriously doubt a judge is even going to take this seriously, especially considering the injunction went through.
This is the wrong battle to fight. I might have some sympathy for them if they had called it Lin32.
"No because WINE isn't a copycat of a Microsoft Product who's name differs by only one letter."
Gee, I wonder if it was common sense that prevented Mozilla from using the name Linternet Explorer.
"One of the main points of contention is that "Windows" is a generic term and "Linux" is not."
It's not a point, it's a rationalization to side against Microsoft. I might be willing to accept this rationale if Lindows had this happen by accident. Nope, they intentionally broke the law and are using this as a weak defense. And yes, generic terms can be trademarked. It's not a new grotesque phenomenon. Ask Palm.
"Seriously, "Windows" is a generic term where "Linux" clearly is not."
It was still clearly trademarked, and Lindows inentionally infringed on it. The matter of whether or not it is a valid trademark is not relevent. It was already established as a trademark, they didn't accidently go wandering into it. They also didn't make a serious change to the name. One letter. That's it. Legitimate trademark or not, Lindows is still guilty of it.
You guys are backing the wrong battle for the wrong reasons.
"Uh oh, what's that glass thing between you and the outside? A window? If there's more than one, you have windows.... Sorry M$, you picked a damn bad word to claim to trademark. Sue Mr. Webster while you're at it."
What's that fruit you're eating? Apple! What's that light coming from outside? The Sun! Who's that chick from the Matrix? The Oracle! Who's your date from last weekend? Palm!
Exactly my point. If you can see that Linus would be a 'hero' for defending the Linux trademark, then you must see Microsoft in the same light in the case of Lindows.
Just so it's clear, I'm not defending Microsoft here. I'm attacking this hypocritical behaviour. It's okay for Linus to defend his trademark, but Microsoft can't? This type of behaviour, besides being childish "boo hiss I hate Microsoft" it also will backfire against the Open Source Community. Fair is fair. If you guys can't demonstrate fairness and at least some objectivity, then don't expect your warnings about how 'evil' Microsoft is to be heard.
"I doubt anyone would care about something called Winix,"
If it came out by Microsoft, you bet your ass everybody here would care. "Microsoft is trying to destroy Linux's name!
"The problem with "Windows" as a trademark is that it's a generic term."
So is Sun, Oracle, Apple... Etc.
"Even in software "Windows" is a generic term used in every graphical operating system. That was the basis of the (so far successful) defense in the US."
Palm is a generic term relating to palmtop computers. Going after them next?
"Now, if Robertson was trying to sell something named "MSLindows", then I think Microsoft would have a claim that I would understand/defend/support."
Let's just get to the point here. You hate Microsoft, and you see this as an opportunity to punish them. That is why everybody here has their panties in a bunch about this topic. This isn't about trying to wrestle some trademark free. It's a nice noble rationalization, but gee, it didn't happen until Linux found itself in trouble over it. Which is interesting btw, because anybody with an ounce of common sense would not have named a Linux distro "Lindows". This was intentional, and its wasting your time and donation money to fight this. All for what... to get Microsoft to lose their trademark? Yeah, nasty blow to Microsoft, too bad they already burned the brand into everybody's brains.
Go put this energy into fighting the DMCA. Stop wasting your time trying to give Microsoft a black eye.
"Sorry, I don't donate money to people with 10's of millions in the bank."
I don't donate to companies that intentionally waste that donation on frivilous lawsuits. Calling it Lindows was really stupid. They had every expectation they'd be sued for it. And now they're acting like the big evil company is swooping down on them. This isn't about trying to right some wrong, it's about attacking Microsoft. Sorry, but any donations I make are going towards changing the DMCA, not towards some idiot CEO picking battles he has no need to win.
"It's worse. Shell Oil recently sued tOILet makers for copyright infringement. WC is the trademark for Windows Calendar, so we may get int trouble finding that damn Gazw7a."
Oh please. If Microsoft released their next server OS as "Winux", you wouldn't be cracking jokes like that.