"DMCA has absolutely nothing to do with P2P trading."
Wanna bet? I'll give you a hint, it has to do with fair use.
"They don't want people distributing their music. Is that really hard to understand?"
Never said it was hard to understand. That wasn't the topic at all.
"Do you have to be a lawyer to drive a car? "
Nope, but you do have to get your license. To do that, you have to study. Bad argument. Sorry.
"They are not going after downloaders."
We're talking two different definitions of 'going after'. You're talking about the 900 recent court actions. I'm talking about who all they're trying to stop. That help clear things up a bit? They're not worried about the handful of people distributing music, they are worried about the millions of people downloading it. The problem is that in some cases people could legally be downloading music. The only clear-shot case they have is to go after the people providing it, thus scaring the downloaders.
" you obviously have never heard of the Audio Home Recording Act, which allows people to make copies of recordings. They agreed to that law. "
Again, the DMCA mucks that up. And even if it didn't, they still use CD-R sales to measure piracy. Eisner of Disney (technically not in the RIAA) attacked Apple for their 'rip, mix, and burn' campaign claiming that it promotes piracy. Obviously they feel that backup copies are piracy. They want you to buy another disc, not go make your own.
"The copyright laws are not hidden by any stretch of the imagination."
Hidden? Nah, maybe not. Hard to interpret? Well, thanks to the broadness of the DMCA, then hell yes.
"They are available in any decent public library and every law library.".... to those who are interested. Since the RIAA's done nothing to educate people on the legality of downloading music, there's no reason for people to even consider looking up copyright law.
" If you don't know the law, look it up, instead of complaining that you don't know the law."
I have a better idea, have the RIAA spell out what they like/don't like. I shouldn't have to be a lawyer to be a consumer.
"What is the RIAA going after? People who are distributing recordings on a wide scale. That is so obviously a violation of copyright, I don't understand how anyone can deny it. "
No, they're going after ANYBODY downloading a single MP3 for any reason. Heck, they don't even like people making backup copies of their music. Right now, they've started their lawsuits against the big targets. Logical place to start. It will, by no means, end there. Don't you remember the "If you're downloading Mp3s, you're downloading Communism" ads?
"Do you you have a great idea for a wireless device that really doesn't need the 1 Mbit/sec (and high power consumption) of Bluetooth?
20 kbits/second is too slow for most applications. While perhaps it's sufficient for cellular data, mice, and keyboard, I don't see what else you could use it for. PDA syncing took forever at 56kbit/sec even (thank god for USB). And it certainly couldn't work for wireless phone headsets. "
The question was 'what can you do with it', not 'what can't you do with it'. Saying what it can't do is easy. No idea why you got modded up for that.
" Gore did have more votes, regardless of what you feel about the elections."
I don't care who won. I didn't like either candidate. That's the point. Nobody did. If Gore had won, this stupid debate would still be happening. The point of my post wasn't that Bush was right to win, the point of it was that this whole debate is futile. The USA got a bad batch of presidential candidates. That's the real problem, not who should have won based on which set of numbers you think is more important.
" In the second case, you have recieved the music free-of-charge, presumably from a third-party source, and so there is no reason to assume that you can not distribute as a third party."
Fair point. I'd argue again, though, that the RIAA hasn't made much of an effort to inform people of what they can or cannot do. I agree with you that people feel that files on the net don't assume they cannot redistribute (I hope I haven't misinterpted ya), but lack of education on this topic is part of the big problem here. I can see people saying "I don't see what the problem with sending out music I got off the net". But I wonder what'd happen if they were asked to send a movie out? I think you'd get a few ppl saying "uhh. but I could get sued for that."
"No license is given, no license is explained, and no license can be found without going out of your way to track it down. "
Again, good point, no rebuttal here. P2P doesn't do much to educate you on the topic either.
"So you are trying to sell to all of us that the most tech savvy people (early adopters of p2p and file-sharing software) are also the most ignorant (don't know that this is stealing and that stealing is wrong)?"
Sorry bucko, P2P encompassed far more than just the geek community.
.. the RIAA has utterly failed to educate people on what is actually happening when you buy a CD, it is completely unfair that they call people thieves. At least movies give you that stupid FBI warning.
"Quit looking on the Internet, no good artist will post his/her work there just so it could be taken by hundred's of people to be claimed as their own."
"How do other people solve this problem? Can anyone give any advice on how to get their attention? Adwords on Google?"
It's hard. Money's often a good motivator. But if that's not possible, try appealing to artists that are earlier in their learning process. Give them a chance to shine. I went from this to this in about a year. (note: the second image is of a work in progress, that's why he has no arms.)
Pretty phenomenal leap, dontcha think?
Ferion hasn't paid me, nor was there any condition to. The situation was this: I'm a 3D artist who needs to be challeneged in order to enhance my portfolio, and Ferion is an indie game who needs artwork but can't really pay for it. So the deal we struck up is I do the art sans deadlines (i.e. give me time to do it right, learning as I go) and I get to demo it to promote myself. They get the artwork they need.
A similar situation might work for you. A lot of budding young artists out there want to get a job doing that for a living, but they don't have the portfolio/demo reel they need to get that job. They need to be challenged. Offer them that possibility, and you'll find a few shining gems. It just make take a little time for that shine to surface, if you know what I mean.;)
Also, I'm an admin over at www.scifi-meshes.com. Head on over there and put out a feeler. Space Quest is exactly the type of project some of the artists there would want to work on. If you have difficulty getting responses, contact me. (My username there is NanoGator as well.)
"Gore won the popular vote - he had more ballots with his name on them."
Oh please. The only way that this situation could have happened is if niether candidate was ideal. Face facts, Gore may have had a handful of more votes, there's still half the country that didn't want him in.
I metamodded this as unfair. Off topic means that the post was not about the topic at hand. He was answering the question posed by the article.
Man, some of you dweebs with mod points really need understand what the fuck 'off-topic' really means. You also need to study up on that little blurb in the FAQ that says "if ya got nothing interesting to add, be funny!"
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Lol!
Seems that way, duddnt it?
"DMCA has absolutely nothing to do with P2P trading."
Wanna bet? I'll give you a hint, it has to do with fair use.
"They don't want people distributing their music. Is that really hard to understand?"
Never said it was hard to understand. That wasn't the topic at all.
"Do you have to be a lawyer to drive a car? "
Nope, but you do have to get your license. To do that, you have to study. Bad argument. Sorry.
"They are not going after downloaders."
We're talking two different definitions of 'going after'. You're talking about the 900 recent court actions. I'm talking about who all they're trying to stop. That help clear things up a bit? They're not worried about the handful of people distributing music, they are worried about the millions of people downloading it. The problem is that in some cases people could legally be downloading music. The only clear-shot case they have is to go after the people providing it, thus scaring the downloaders.
" you obviously have never heard of the Audio Home Recording Act, which allows people to make copies of recordings. They agreed to that law. "
Again, the DMCA mucks that up. And even if it didn't, they still use CD-R sales to measure piracy. Eisner of Disney (technically not in the RIAA) attacked Apple for their 'rip, mix, and burn' campaign claiming that it promotes piracy. Obviously they feel that backup copies are piracy. They want you to buy another disc, not go make your own.
"Yeah, we all know what the source of the DNA is on Slashdot users' fingerprints... "
Flamebait? *sigh* I really hate having to explain that a joke is a joke. It loses its funnniness. But if I don't explain it, it's flamebait. Argh.
Yeah, we all know what the source of the DNA is on Slashdot users' fingerprints...
"The copyright laws are not hidden by any stretch of the imagination."
.... to those who are interested. Since the RIAA's done nothing to educate people on the legality of downloading music, there's no reason for people to even consider looking up copyright law.
Hidden? Nah, maybe not. Hard to interpret? Well, thanks to the broadness of the DMCA, then hell yes.
"They are available in any decent public library and every law library."
" If you don't know the law, look it up, instead of complaining that you don't know the law."
I have a better idea, have the RIAA spell out what they like/don't like. I shouldn't have to be a lawyer to be a consumer.
"What is the RIAA going after? People who are distributing recordings on a wide scale. That is so obviously a violation of copyright, I don't understand how anyone can deny it. "
No, they're going after ANYBODY downloading a single MP3 for any reason. Heck, they don't even like people making backup copies of their music. Right now, they've started their lawsuits against the big targets. Logical place to start. It will, by no means, end there. Don't you remember the "If you're downloading Mp3s, you're downloading Communism" ads?
Ya know, given that nobody can answer this question without the obligatory "IANAL" precondition, I'd say that quote is bang-on.
"The quote was 'Better her than me', referring to Leia as Luka and Han were talking about what to do while Ben went out"
Ya know how when ya move out of your parents house and you throw away your old toys? Having a girlfriend has that affect on Star Wars trivia.
"What's the point? Too slow. (Score:-1, Interesting) " -- how often do you see a -1, Interesting?
"Pretty slick, but you just KNOW some kid is gonna climb his fence, ride the coaster, fuck it up, hurt himself and sue the guy."
Wasn't it Han Solo who said "better you than me"? Man, it's like that movie applies to everything!
"Do you you have a great idea for a wireless device that really doesn't need the 1 Mbit/sec (and high power consumption) of Bluetooth?
20 kbits/second is too slow for most applications. While perhaps it's sufficient for cellular data, mice, and keyboard, I don't see what else you could use it for. PDA syncing took forever at 56kbit/sec even (thank god for USB). And it certainly couldn't work for wireless phone headsets. "
The question was 'what can you do with it', not 'what can't you do with it'. Saying what it can't do is easy. No idea why you got modded up for that.
It was completely relevant actually. Did you try to understand it or skip it because it hurt your point?
" Gore did have more votes, regardless of what you feel about the elections."
I don't care who won. I didn't like either candidate. That's the point. Nobody did. If Gore had won, this stupid debate would still be happening. The point of my post wasn't that Bush was right to win, the point of it was that this whole debate is futile. The USA got a bad batch of presidential candidates. That's the real problem, not who should have won based on which set of numbers you think is more important.
" In the second case, you have recieved the music free-of-charge, presumably from a third-party source, and so there is no reason to assume that you can not distribute as a third party."
Fair point. I'd argue again, though, that the RIAA hasn't made much of an effort to inform people of what they can or cannot do. I agree with you that people feel that files on the net don't assume they cannot redistribute (I hope I haven't misinterpted ya), but lack of education on this topic is part of the big problem here. I can see people saying "I don't see what the problem with sending out music I got off the net". But I wonder what'd happen if they were asked to send a movie out? I think you'd get a few ppl saying "uhh. but I could get sued for that."
"No license is given, no license is explained, and no license can be found without going out of your way to track it down. "
Again, good point, no rebuttal here. P2P doesn't do much to educate you on the topic either.
"Hello, by the way."
Greets. How ya been?
"So you are trying to sell to all of us that the most tech savvy people (early adopters of p2p and file-sharing software) are also the most ignorant (don't know that this is stealing and that stealing is wrong)?"
Sorry bucko, P2P encompassed far more than just the geek community.
.. the RIAA has utterly failed to educate people on what is actually happening when you buy a CD, it is completely unfair that they call people thieves. At least movies give you that stupid FBI warning.
"Now I can say I have an "iQue of 3600" and be telling the truth."
That would probably have a detremental effect on the perception your ambient IQ rating.
"Quit looking on the Internet, no good artist will post his/her work there just so it could be taken by hundred's of people to be claimed as their own."
Bull shit.
"How do other people solve this problem? Can anyone give any advice on how to get their attention? Adwords on Google?"
;)
It's hard. Money's often a good motivator. But if that's not possible, try appealing to artists that are earlier in their learning process. Give them a chance to shine. I went from this to this in about a year. (note: the second image is of a work in progress, that's why he has no arms.)
Pretty phenomenal leap, dontcha think?
Ferion hasn't paid me, nor was there any condition to. The situation was this: I'm a 3D artist who needs to be challeneged in order to enhance my portfolio, and Ferion is an indie game who needs artwork but can't really pay for it. So the deal we struck up is I do the art sans deadlines (i.e. give me time to do it right, learning as I go) and I get to demo it to promote myself. They get the artwork they need.
A similar situation might work for you. A lot of budding young artists out there want to get a job doing that for a living, but they don't have the portfolio/demo reel they need to get that job. They need to be challenged. Offer them that possibility, and you'll find a few shining gems. It just make take a little time for that shine to surface, if you know what I mean.
Also, I'm an admin over at www.scifi-meshes.com. Head on over there and put out a feeler. Space Quest is exactly the type of project some of the artists there would want to work on. If you have difficulty getting responses, contact me. (My username there is NanoGator as well.)
" It performs useful tasks." ...like the Matrix Screensaver!
"That, or ditch Windows entirely (novel idea, I know :-) "
You'll also remove the problem of games generating instability in your machine.
"Gore won the popular vote - he had more ballots with his name on them."
Oh please. The only way that this situation could have happened is if niether candidate was ideal. Face facts, Gore may have had a handful of more votes, there's still half the country that didn't want him in.
"If this paste makes it to the market sometime soon, we'll all surely be thinking about putting it in our boxes."
I was expecting a flurry of +3, Funnies over that line.
... commercial skip?
"I DO, however, frequently boot my machine with knoppix"
What's knoppix provide for you that Windows doesn't?
(note: If you're talking about 95/98/ME, then you don't need to answer, I already know why you're doing it.)
I metamodded this as unfair. Off topic means that the post was not about the topic at hand. He was answering the question posed by the article.
Man, some of you dweebs with mod points really need understand what the fuck 'off-topic' really means. You also need to study up on that little blurb in the FAQ that says "if ya got nothing interesting to add, be funny!"
Sick of these stupid moderations.