Uh, yeah, that was the point. I think you misunderstood what I said. You wouldn't want to play Zelda with a kb and mouse anymore than you'd want to play Quake4 on a controller.
"With it's lower power consuption than the Intel chips, and lower heat than expected from an AMD chip of this sort, it's definitely a reason to save up."
"So how is that reasonable justification for these in every car?"
We're not talking about airbags here. We're talking about people endangering others. If I'm drunk, and my car refuses to start because of it, then everybody in my local vicinity is freed from unnecessary risk from it. Needs of the many, etc. Frankly, nobody's complaining today that you cannot buy a car without breaks, head/tail lights, seatbelts, and windshields.
Worse yet, there's little positive excuse for somebody with a certain alcohol level to be getting behind the driver's seat. The best they're doing is creating a road hazard.
As for 'level headed' approaches. They're not working. It's not like the issue of drunk driving has just recently been adressed. I was a kid in school (20'ish years ago) when Mothers Against Drunk Driving took to the classrooms. There are lots of commercials to the tune of 'dont drink and drive'. Etc. Too many dd accidents still happen.
"I'm not saying that you're that person -- but your logic seems to have you on the fast track to being 'one of them'."
I wouldn't say I'm on a crusade, but I am (regrettably) from an extreme point of view on it. (no hard feelings if you hate me for that reason. I don't like being extremist.) I wouldn't say my rationale is out of revenge, though. I am, however, scared of idiots driving.
Yeah yeah, I know this trick. You imply that I'm making false accusations. To defend myself, I provide proof. You find a cute way to spin that proof. We enter into a word-smithing war. Somebody gets mad and leaves. I'm not interested in playing that. You know what you did, that's all that matters.
"No, that's yourself you're describing, not me."
Hahaha. "You're in Nuh Uh mode!" "Nuh uh!!" You do indeed have a good sense of humor.
"Perhaps we should legislate that people take an active role in their kid's lives instead, because I'd rather keep my $600, but you can give yours away if you want."
I'd rather they legislated active parenting and made these devices a requirement. Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning your abilities as a parent. I've just seen some otherwise smart people do some really dumb stuff. The road is not the place to be gambling over safety. Frankly, if you have kids, I don't understand why you wouldn't love the idea of everybody else having one of these in their cars, too. You can teach your kids how to not drink and drive, but that does absolutely nothing nada 0 zip zilch cero to prevent them from being injured or even killed by another drunk driver.
"Unless you're talking about the '360, Next-gen systems are whooping the PCs back into the stone age."
a.) The Cell processor, nor the graphic capabilities of the PS3 have been proven. (You were impressed by a pre-rendered demo made by really good artists. The latter is far more important than the technical specs of the machine.)
b.) Those systems are sold at a loss. PC components are not. You might be buying $700 worth of hardware for $400.
c.) No, next gen systems are not knocking PC back into the stone age. They're a little nicer. They're not leaps and bounds, or even an entire generation ahead. PC graphics would easily catch up within a year of the PS3s release, if that long.
"Let's leave aside for the moment that 90% of PC hardware is shit. Wouldn't Microsoft's life be easier if their platform were less bad?"
How can they do that if 90% of PC hardware is shit? I realize you didn't want me to ask that, but basically what you'd like Microsoft to do is recomend a vendor. That's fine and all, but that doesn't help everybody. They'd have to turn into Apple and tightly control who builds what.
Niether. The problem is you're arguing and not listening.
" Guessing has nothing to do with it."
Heh, really? You're determining probability based on known factors. The problem is you're not determining probability based on ALL factors. Ask anybody who's ever bet on race horses about that.
"Microsoft signs crappy drivers written by ATI. ATI writes drivers that seem to work fine for Apple. Why does Microsoft not hold ATI accountable for their driver quality?"
I wasn't defending Microsoft's driver signing policies. Actually I agree with you, but I'll share my interpretation of their policy: I always thought the point of driver signing wasn't that it represented quality, but rather that it represented that the driver actually came from ATI instead of some hackers from Russia.
There is one thing to consider, though: It's not Microsoft's fault if that other dude's machine is a piece of shit.
"I've always found ATI to "just work" under linux, and this is going back to the days of the original all-in-wonder with the daughterboard."
So? Stuff often works better on one platform than another. It could mean that Windows is at fault, but it's not a given. For your one machine with your one video card, I have at least 10 over the last 5 years that never had this problem. "Ouch, that's gotta hurt!! *nose pick*"
"And this doesn't excuse Windows Update from trying to install drivers that are known to be bad."
I wasn't defending Windows Update. I said BSODs are extremely rare these days, at least with Win2k or XP. (Frankly, I don't care for AU.) For future reference, though, I'd highly recommend you get your drivers from ATI. I can tell you that NVidia users, such as myself, don't use MS's provided drivers.
" I'm sure many nex-gen games coming out will be transferred over to PC. This sort of begs the question. Slowly, the computer is becoming an all in one console. Next gen consoles may soon become useles."
The opposite could just as easily be said. Next gen systems are rivaling PC's. Slowly, PC games will move over to consoles.
Frankly, either prediction is silly. The sole difference between PC's and consoles isn't the graphic power. There are a set of trade-offs for either platform. The PC, for example, requires up to date hardware, doesn't have a standard controller, and often requires a lot of configuration to get going. The game console, however has, standard hardware, no installation BS, games designed to play on the lowes common denominator, and a multi-purpose controller. One you'll happily play Quake on, the other you'll happily play Zelda on.
Me personally, I'm not thrilled with PC gaming anymore. Too much hassle with too little payoff. Maybe I'm just busier than I used to be, but I like the idea of a $200 box I can just hook up to the TV, pop a disc in, and play.
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Uh, yeah, that was the point. I think you misunderstood what I said. You wouldn't want to play Zelda with a kb and mouse anymore than you'd want to play Quake4 on a controller.
"With it's lower power consuption than the Intel chips, and lower heat than expected from an AMD chip of this sort, it's definitely a reason to save up."
Yeah, whatever. BRING ON THE 64-BIT!!!
"Come on, that's a naive notion. Microsoft runs the show."
They have influence on the show, but no, they don't run it. If they did, Microsoft's business would change to be more like Apple's.
MS doesn't have magic monopoly making powers like is implied every time they enter a market.
"So how is that reasonable justification for these in every car?"
We're not talking about airbags here. We're talking about people endangering others. If I'm drunk, and my car refuses to start because of it, then everybody in my local vicinity is freed from unnecessary risk from it. Needs of the many, etc. Frankly, nobody's complaining today that you cannot buy a car without breaks, head/tail lights, seatbelts, and windshields.
Worse yet, there's little positive excuse for somebody with a certain alcohol level to be getting behind the driver's seat. The best they're doing is creating a road hazard.
As for 'level headed' approaches. They're not working. It's not like the issue of drunk driving has just recently been adressed. I was a kid in school (20'ish years ago) when Mothers Against Drunk Driving took to the classrooms. There are lots of commercials to the tune of 'dont drink and drive'. Etc. Too many dd accidents still happen.
"I'm not saying that you're that person -- but your logic seems to have you on the fast track to being 'one of them'."
I wouldn't say I'm on a crusade, but I am (regrettably) from an extreme point of view on it. (no hard feelings if you hate me for that reason. I don't like being extremist.) I wouldn't say my rationale is out of revenge, though. I am, however, scared of idiots driving.
"If Microsoft says "frog", the industry jumps. That's one advantage to being a monopoly."
That's the problem, they don't have that kind of monopoly. They have a de-facto monopoly, not a 'gun to the head' monopoly.
"Why does this not surprise me at all?"
Yeah yeah, I know this trick. You imply that I'm making false accusations. To defend myself, I provide proof. You find a cute way to spin that proof. We enter into a word-smithing war. Somebody gets mad and leaves. I'm not interested in playing that. You know what you did, that's all that matters.
"No, that's yourself you're describing, not me."
Hahaha. "You're in Nuh Uh mode!" "Nuh uh!!" You do indeed have a good sense of humor.
"Where?"
Well, the most recent time was just now. Hehe.
"Perhaps we should legislate that people take an active role in their kid's lives instead, because I'd rather keep my $600, but you can give yours away if you want."
I'd rather they legislated active parenting and made these devices a requirement. Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning your abilities as a parent. I've just seen some otherwise smart people do some really dumb stuff. The road is not the place to be gambling over safety. Frankly, if you have kids, I don't understand why you wouldn't love the idea of everybody else having one of these in their cars, too. You can teach your kids how to not drink and drive, but that does absolutely nothing nada 0 zip zilch cero to prevent them from being injured or even killed by another drunk driver.
Okay, I'm listening. Tell me more, please.
"Unless you're talking about the '360, Next-gen systems are whooping the PCs back into the stone age."
a.) The Cell processor, nor the graphic capabilities of the PS3 have been proven. (You were impressed by a pre-rendered demo made by really good artists. The latter is far more important than the technical specs of the machine.)
b.) Those systems are sold at a loss. PC components are not. You might be buying $700 worth of hardware for $400.
c.) No, next gen systems are not knocking PC back into the stone age. They're a little nicer. They're not leaps and bounds, or even an entire generation ahead. PC graphics would easily catch up within a year of the PS3s release, if that long.
"Let's leave aside for the moment that 90% of PC hardware is shit. Wouldn't Microsoft's life be easier if their platform were less bad?"
How can they do that if 90% of PC hardware is shit? I realize you didn't want me to ask that, but basically what you'd like Microsoft to do is recomend a vendor. That's fine and all, but that doesn't help everybody. They'd have to turn into Apple and tightly control who builds what.
"OK, you seem to be very slow or a troll."
Niether. The problem is you're arguing and not listening.
" Guessing has nothing to do with it."
Heh, really? You're determining probability based on known factors. The problem is you're not determining probability based on ALL factors. Ask anybody who's ever bet on race horses about that.
Fair enough.
Don't get me wrong, I get your point.
"Microsoft signs crappy drivers written by ATI. ATI writes drivers that seem to work fine for Apple. Why does Microsoft not hold ATI accountable for their driver quality?"
I wasn't defending Microsoft's driver signing policies. Actually I agree with you, but I'll share my interpretation of their policy: I always thought the point of driver signing wasn't that it represented quality, but rather that it represented that the driver actually came from ATI instead of some hackers from Russia.
There is one thing to consider, though: It's not Microsoft's fault if that other dude's machine is a piece of shit.
"ATI cards seem to work fine on Macs. But I guess that doesn't count..."
Lightwave works great on PC/Windows, but runs like crap on OSX. Apple's fault or Newtek's fault?
"I've always found ATI to "just work" under linux, and this is going back to the days of the original all-in-wonder with the daughterboard."
So? Stuff often works better on one platform than another. It could mean that Windows is at fault, but it's not a given. For your one machine with your one video card, I have at least 10 over the last 5 years that never had this problem. "Ouch, that's gotta hurt!! *nose pick*"
"And this doesn't excuse Windows Update from trying to install drivers that are known to be bad."
I wasn't defending Windows Update. I said BSODs are extremely rare these days, at least with Win2k or XP. (Frankly, I don't care for AU.) For future reference, though, I'd highly recommend you get your drivers from ATI. I can tell you that NVidia users, such as myself, don't use MS's provided drivers.
"Uhh.. performance, plain and simple. Seek times on HDD's are significantly lower than seek times on current media"
That's what caching's for. You don't need an installation, only a temp folder. Even then, console games aren't that bad about it.
"I don't know why no one has come out with a hardware device that'll allow PCs to run consol games."
I don't know why PC games require an installation in the first place.
"... digitally signed driver recommended by Windows Update, direct from windowsupdate ... ooohhh, that's gotta hurt ..."
It might hurt if ATI wasn't widely known for making crummy drivers. Even Linux users bitch about it.
"All probabilities are based upon measured facts"
Uh, yeah. In other words, it's an unproven guess.
"Does the grape koolaid taste tha[tt] good?" ... said the guy using the installation of a crummy driver to prove that Windows BSODs regularly.
" I'm sure many nex-gen games coming out will be transferred over to PC. This sort of begs the question. Slowly, the computer is becoming an all in one console. Next gen consoles may soon become useles."
The opposite could just as easily be said. Next gen systems are rivaling PC's. Slowly, PC games will move over to consoles.
Frankly, either prediction is silly. The sole difference between PC's and consoles isn't the graphic power. There are a set of trade-offs for either platform. The PC, for example, requires up to date hardware, doesn't have a standard controller, and often requires a lot of configuration to get going. The game console, however has, standard hardware, no installation BS, games designed to play on the lowes common denominator, and a multi-purpose controller. One you'll happily play Quake on, the other you'll happily play Zelda on.
Me personally, I'm not thrilled with PC gaming anymore. Too much hassle with too little payoff. Maybe I'm just busier than I used to be, but I like the idea of a $200 box I can just hook up to the TV, pop a disc in, and play.
What's probability other than an assumption made without facts to back it up?
"Unless its priced WAY cheaper than a MiniMac, what's the point? Why not get the real deal?"
A.) Because BSoD's are virtually non-existent these days.
B.) You can't play GTA on a MiniMac.
"It quacked me up..."
You're dithpicable.
"Every time Deanna took command...."
Not just command, she was in the driver's seat. Both times!!