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Star Trek XI In Two To Three Years.
Tycoon Guy writes "It seems rumors of the franchise's demise were greatly exaggerated. TrekToday reports that according to Trek head honcho Rick Berman, a new film might come sooner than you think: 'If it gets done in two years or three years I think that timeframe for a new, fresh feature with a whole different outlook would be fine.' He's previously said that the film will feature a whole new cast and ship; it's being written by Band of Brothers screenwriter Erik Jendresen."
That has the potential to be very good. The writers would have the freedom to kill off or transform any crew members they wish, not just the ones wearing red shirts. With everyone and everything (including the ship) potentially expendable, it could be a wild ride with lots of plot reversals.
It also has the potential to be very bad. Many viewers don't realise how much the regular Trek actors influence the show by keeping an independent reality check on their characters. Multi-season arcs in TNG were actually actor driven (like Troi quietly disliking Worf for most of the show).
So while it might be a great movie, it might be Trek only in name. We'll have to wait and see. Too bad it will be an odd number movie.
Well, maybe the film will do well if it takes 3 years to get it up on the screen.
The best thing that could happen for the StarTrek franchise, is to starv the world of ST stuff for a while.
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Berman is just trying to keep his job by spreading hype for a new picture. It's not going to happen, at least not with him in charge.
I'm already scraping up $20 for the effort to save this movie.
"Band of Brothers screenwriter Erik Jendresen"
Hrm, perhaps I'll go and see this if I get to watch Picard kill some Nazis while dodging machine gun fire. On a more serious note, exactly which cast/era will the movie feature?
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... And just when my friend announced the defeat of Star Wars over Star Trek (in lifetime) since Episode III came out five days after the release of the last Episode of Enterprise.
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maybe ill be dead by then and ill have a remake movie of my whole life
Hmm, they don't seem to like making these in order.
One thing I noticed about the Trek movies is that the ones that really made you feel as if there was this huge universe out there around the characters brought in the most money at the box office. The size of the canvas seemed to be proportional to the size of the returns.
The problem with movies like Insurrection and Nemesis - to name a few - was that in the end it was one ship vs one ship and the whole feeling of this bustling galaxy filled with all sorts of different characters was gone. Sure, the Enterprise alone verses the Scimitar was pretty cool, but the whole movie never developed that sense of grand adventure that The Wrath Of Kahn (which mixed the isolation of the Enterprise in latter parts with a much wider view of things early on), First Contact or The Undiscovered Country had. The scope of the universe seemed to be scaled-down to TNG-episode proportions. Insurrection was arguably the worst at this - the whole thing felt like a 2 part TNG from one of the latter seasons.
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I guess the fans are camping in front of the theaters already?
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So if they change all the actors, the writers and the style of the show, is it still Star Trek?
Sure, it'll have some of the same races and politics, but these are only ever used as plot devices.
Personally, I'm happy as long as it's well written. If labelling a new show "Star Trek" is what it takes to get it on the TV, then go right ahead. Just make sure it's good enough to stay there.
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Quite agree.
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it's been a down hill slide since spock and captain kirk. no matter how good some of the next generation movies were.
who could ever forget "kurock", or spocks long lost love who died thousands of years ago in that stone age cave time-prison.
find a new spock and new captain kirk and recyle it would be the best bet.
Kill off a highly profitable and well-known franchise that is a household name in *every* home in order to break off and attempt to bring something new and original to television? Impossible I say! Doomed to failure and mediocracy.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
or worse yet they bring him back and make it suck more.
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Berman announced that he planned to kill any positive effect the fresh blood of new writers might bring to the table by appointing himself executive producer.
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Please, Mr. Berman. Please get this one right. I really, really miss loving Star Trek. Star Trek is not not just about emotionless women in tight clothes... it just helps.
Scared of flying, pointy things snce 1979!
I don't want new characters and a new ship for a MOVIE. That would be okay for a tv show, where we have years to get to know the crew.
Bring back Kirk. Find some way to incorporate him in the story.
Here is a free story to use for the movie. The Borg are attacking, in the most massive invasion ever. Kirk is retired, but is called back to help set a defesne gird. Hey, Kirk will be old enough for the timeline to work. Maybe while kirk was retired he was a police officer, so they can have him in his T.J. Hooker uniform and work Heather Locklear into the storyline. How cool would that be, to have Kirk on the bridge of the Enterprise dressed as TJ Hooker, with Locklear next to him.
Janeway races back from the future, where the Borg came from. Along with Janeway is the defiant, commanded by Picard and Dr. Crusher. This could provide good romance between two very sexy actors. I have had the hots for Dr. Crusher for years.
The excitement would not come from the Borg attack, but watching the crews work together to form a defense.
And I would not mind seeing a couple of birds of prey get in the storyline.
Or, I GOT IT!!! What was the species in A Year of Hell that destroyed the voyager? Maybe they find their way to earth??
The possibilities are endless, but Kirk must be involved. Kirk IS Star Trek. Nobody can take his place.
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
I think you're one of the few traditionalists left, but I think the time for the traditionalists in Star Trek has left. With Enterprise, we went back to the very beginning of warp travel of us humans, making a story line fully incomplete from that point, to the point of the first Enterprise's mission into deep space.
Personally, I want to know more about where it all began; they have so much technology in the future that, while we have basis for it, it's so far beyond tracing back to something we have now, that we just have to accept it as fact, and move on. Things like the transport system, the Enterprise's energy systems, etc. etc. All we need is a movie in that time period to answer some of those questions, in my opinion.
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Will Lucas direct this? [shudder] or worse yet leave it in the hands of some no talent hack like Rick Berman
Oh wait.
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Maybe, just maybe, if they got their shit together, they could make a good movie with characters that no one cares about because we've never seen them. But that probably won't happen. I mean, they couldn't get people to care about Nemesis, which had already established characters that people had some investment in.
The idea I keep hearing from Berman is that it will be another prequel (post Enterprise but pre TOS, if I recall correctly), and we all know how well the prequel concept has worked out in the Trek universe.
The best Star Trek movies were even numbered.
Star Trek II, was there a better villan than KHANN!!!!
Star Trek III, the search for spock kinda sucked.
Star Trek IV, was okay
The best one was the Undiscovered Country. I liked the interaction of the Klingons. It was one of the best movies, I loved the shakespear quotes. Once again dear friends, into the breach!
And is it just me, or have the Klingons gone from glorious warriors to whimps?? They used to be super strong, with ships designed for WAR. Yet they seem so weak. They are weaker than the Borg by a ton, they are weaker than most Enertrpise ships which are made to explore.
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
(it's in TOS history but everything looks a thousand times better and hey, let's throw in some new aliens as well)
How about this title: Star Trek: Let's squeeze the last bits of intelligence from our fans.
Or: Star Trek: You thought they'd be done by now, but you're not crying yet.
Beam me up Scotty, I'm outta here.
I'm not saying that it can't be done, however apart from breaking 'Trek convention', you can look back at the past shows and see how hard it has been for other crews to get their dynamic working, TNG needed a few seasons, as did DS9 to get into the groove, and I just can't see it magically happening just because it's a movie.
On another note, I've heared rumours that it's going to be another prequel. What is it with prequels these days? How many prequels out of the whole are actually done right? Prequels have no inherent good qualities - They're before what fans are used to, they are always inconsistent in some minute way, along with a host of other problems such as the creators having the need to link up and introduce every concept ever seen in the previous shows. As an example is it ever really that interesting to have a set of shields, which have been seen and known in a show for a long time, introduced to a new crew that gush over what and how good they are? What I'm saying is that prequels start off on the wrong foot to begin with: They're a nice concept that sounds interesting, but they're rarely implemented well. Why, instead of arbitrarily trying to force a different story out of the works by making the technology shit can't they just take the story from a different set of people or from a different perspective? Too long Star Trek has relied on the mantra of 'This is the Starfleet crew who are going to have lots of adventures'. Aside from trying to force this aspect through being a prequel, Enterprise still had a great chance to break out of this rut. Before the Federation's rules, before the Federation's technology! But unfortunately it didn't take long for it to get bogged down in the same pit.
Everyone knows the even ones are the good ones. They should just release token odd star treks as shorts for free and focus on the even numbers.
Is this the inevitable link that will cause the Star Wars Universe to meet the Star Trek Universe? Should prove to be some interesting fight scenes...
Let the commencement BEGINULATE!
If the movie is a hit, you know the studio will want to produce a tv series.
I miss TNG, Voyager, and TOS too. I don't miss Enterprise (although I will admit the series end was damn good, if only the other seasons were as good as the last it might still be on the air). And I did not like DS9.
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
All we need is a movie in that time period to answer some of those questions, in my opinion.
Umm, why? It's a historical fact that movies which attempt to explain anything to the fanboys just result in sucking. It's a little narrative device called "suspesion of disbelief"--a convincing universe doesn't keep bringing up self-referential explanations about how it all works. That's a warning sign of poor writing when you need to narrate everything to drive the story along. Keep the technical explanations in the after market reference books, as far as I'm concerned.
Incidentally, sometimes I think the tech in Star Trek is a little too conventional, actually. You have space vehicles--that go really fast. Shields--for really tough armor. You have a transportation system--that's instantaneous. You have a kitchen--that's also instantaneous. You've got guns that shoot out lasers (oh, my bad, "phasers"). You've got clip-on cell phone badges, PDAs, computers, and fancy sensors. And you've got really high definition TV.
While some of these technologies may violate the laws of physics, and so be magical and unexplainable, their uses aren't all that mysterious. You aim a gun, pull the trigger, stuff at the other end dies/gets stunned/whatever. You step into a booth and get sent to the next scene, supposedly a zillion miles away. The extent of the mystery is the invention of a zillion particles an episode, which is rather sad.
Ultimately, I find the human elements of Star Trek to be more interesting than the gadgetry, which is just a means to an end, when you get right down to it. When it's used well, it's unobtrusive and we simply accept it as part of the universe. But human beings... well, we've still got some ways to go before we ever figure those suckers out.
and not a soap opera. Near as I can tell I'm one of only two people who loved Nemesis (my Brother being the other). I miss pure, cheesy space opera, and Star Wars more or less failed me (Clone Wars TV and various Jedi Duels not withstanding). Oh well, there's always anime...
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One character that is Star Trek, in any time line would be Whoppie. She was on earth at the time of Samuel Clemens, and in the future with Picard. Whatever timeline they pick, I bet they could get her involved. Her species lives for how many years? Over 500??
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
Maybe they could do a trilogy of prequels. Unfortunately a trilogy would be best started on an even number so that two of the three would be good.
Or maybe that could make it a real prequel before spaceflight. It will be called simply "Trek".
Why can't they do a series on that Enterprise? It would be high tech enough because it is after TOS, but before TNG. It could have some good story lines. And we already know what the series finale would be.
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
I don't think there's enough left of this horse to make glue with.
Mr. Berman, I am a Trekker. I have been one all my life. When I was a kid, my parents would sometimes punish me by forbidding me from watching the week's new episode of TNG. It was pretty far down the list of last resorts. I grew up on Star Trek (the newer ones, even), and I would like for you to just leave it alone. Please. It's ceased to be entertaining or interesting or emotionally involving, except in the "stolen childhood" sense that most geeks remember from Star Wars ep1. I'm sure you'll continue to be able to put food on your family's table.
As a fan of Star Trek, I too love the story and the play of the characters, but as a curious mind, I'd like to know more about the History of Star Trek, and how they got that sophisicated technology.
While the purposes of some devices make sense, others seem to make none at all. Why can't someone program a transporter to transport something like a spacecraft, far far away? Why can't someone program a replicator to replicate an entire spacecraft, therefore having infinite war time production capabilities? These technologies don't have any practical limits as defined by the shows and movies as of now, but given a bit more history, we could easily see why.
Besides, there has already been ground laid to see the past. Enterprise (the show) took us back to pre-photon torpedos, and the seemingly magic replicator. All I ask is a story accellerated in this time era, like what they did with The Next Generation.
The beauty of Star Trek is that the explanation of these technologies is implicit; nobody has to sit down and say "this does that". The story guides us to understanding, when someone goes up to something and uses it. The problem is, some of these technologies require a definition that we've missed, it's too far back in the timeline for implicit definition and is quite frankly taken for granted by the characters.
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He's previously said that the film will feature a whole new cast and ship; it's being written by Band of Brothers screenwriter Erik Jendresen."
I can already hear the Redshirts scream: MEDIC!
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hearing that James Spader slept with William Shatner, I don't think I can look at Capt. Kirk in quite the same way again.
So what was it that turned you off, was it the idea of spooning Capt, Kirk, or that he smelled like a lamb sausage???
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Maybe during this break, Berman and crew can actually spend time watching other GOOD sci-fi shows like Firefly, Farscape, and Battlestar Galactica. That way there, they'll know what to shoot for.
I *still* think that the only reliable way to get solid (and consistant) sci-fi is to have a dedicated pay channel. Personally, I'd love to see an end to this network exec BS: "Ah! Farscape/Enterprise/Firefly costs WAY more than Fear Factor! No more of THAT!"
Reality T.V. sucks but the reality is that it's cheap eats for the networks. If Berman's going to make something work, he's going to have to find a way to do it cheaper (new characters I hear?), and faster. Not sure what that means, but then again, Star Trek II was done for half of what ST:I was and look how it turned out!
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See, as much as Star Trek sucks in these last few, oh say decades, having Rick 'couldn't tell a good story reading from Shakespear' Bergman or Bugass or whatever his name is do another movie is a good thing. You see, that way it will give people an easy Sci-Fi flick to slam, and take the heat of Star Wars. I mean, I forgive George for Anakin's dialouge in episode I, once I got to see him slaughtering Jedi in episode III. There was a payoff, of sorts. The only payoff I could imagine for ST, would be the writers of Deep Space, Voyager, and Enterpirse being evicted from their Beverly Hills mansions in slo-motion. Sure, SW has Jar-Jar, but at least the theme isn't some smarmy love song.
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I would be interested in shows where they throw in some physics and chemistry. Real physics and chemistry. What I loved about TNG was it got me very interested in the sciences.
The USA school system just about killed the "what if's" questions I was filled with. TNG filled my imagination. I would not be suprised if many technology advances were made by people who got interested in science because of TOS and TNG.
Maybe the next Star Trek can have a huge lab component, where engineers and scientists are working with improving the Enterprise. I loved how Voyager had so many episodes where the hot Klingon chick was in engineering. If only there was some way they could have had her hook up with scottie over a few bottles of wisky.
Star Trek should spend less time on the bridge, and more time in engineering.
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
with you man, khan and undiscovered were killer, but most of the rest ended up with these vague very spiritual or moral opponents which never really made you identify with either side.
khan and undiscovered really brought out the people on both sides and gave you personalities to tie to the "must destroy the galaxy", and if first contact was a little awkward about it at least we knew and understood the enemy anyway.
jesus, the end of 5 involved a mass of energy, who "may or may not have been a god and dies in 10 minutes anyway". that might have been a decent movie if someone had bothered to tie all the plots together instead of just playing connect the dots.
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William Shatner, a (*gasp*) cock-gobbler?
That is so un-cool!
...scantily clad, hot babes as star fleet officers. The progressive within all the different incarnations of Star Trek so far is obvious - and Berman seems to understand one thing : Sex sells! Will ST:XXV finally claim : "Nude Vulcan babe Mud Wrestling!" ?
It seems rumors of the franchise's demise were greatly exaggerated!
Honestly, I think it's high time that someone made that demise come about, whether by natural causes or not...
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I should be cast in the new movie as a vulcan. But not just a regular, boring vulcan. I'd be the illogical vulcan. Just a crazy, kooky guy who goes against the grain. I'd even question authority, answering to orders like, "Fire when they drop their cloak? Why don't you wake me up when that happens, Gov." For fun, I'd record the embarrassing things officers do in the holodeck and then play them for everyone in the cafeteria. I'm telling you, I could put some life back into "Star Trek". I'd even be willing to learn acting.
Of course Shatner would write his own character back into the Star Trek universe. I call shennanegans!
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Here's my thoughts for the future of star trek:
Needs a bigger budget than TV can provide, so move it to cable, specifically to HBO. Add some adult oriented content, since its now on cable. Sorry 13 year olds, Star Trek is now for adults only. This will allow a wider demographic to like the show (some women will watch it with their men, hopefully).
Make it a fleet of ships, possibly half of them Federation, the other half Klingon. We've had series with single ships, and a series with a space station, but never a series with a fleet of ships on a long multi-year journey thru an uncharted area of space.
Involve the Klingon religion. Kahless (spelling?) and others are given visions in the beginning episodes, but we are not told exactly what they are. The Federation and the Klingons get together and discuss the visions that so many of their people are reporting. They decide to follow the instructions, and gather a fleet and set off on the journey.
The overall plot needs to be kept secret until the last season.
One of the ships should be a civilian fast luxury cruiser, built with a Federation loan in return for Federation use of the ship during times of war. The series should begin at the end of the Dominion war. This ship has better holodecks, and lots of drama episodes can occur on this ship.
The Admiral that was arrested by Picard for developing the Phased cloak is a part of the crew, along with some of his scientists. They are all given visions.
A few drug addicts, and other convicts are also a part of the series since its now on cable and we can have some more adult content, including sex and nudity and graphic violence. In the 24th century poverty and hunger are wiped out, but the war on drugs continues.
Lots of teraforming equipment, anti-matter, and industrial replicators are to be included (per the visions). Along with orbital defences, and some other expenisive stuff. Before the fleet launches, lots of political arguments occur because of the cost. ("were spending all this money after a devastating war, because of visions!?!?")
When they finally arrive at the destination, only half the fleet should be left, since they fought so many battles, etc. We can stretch out the series for years before they arrive.
The destination should be a far corner of the galaxy, accessible by wormhole only. The destination should be a set of (possibly) artificial solar systems, closely tied together, with many habitable planets without intelligent life. Because of the arrangement of the stars (a 3D pentagon? perhaps) it's obvious these sets of solar systems did not form naturally. This is a mystery that is never fully explained. There is lots of ore and natural resources in these systems.
The Federation and Klingons colonize the planets and have lots of kids. They are given new visions, they are to pursue weapons and ship development, and train their children to be warriors. Kahless is to be placed into suspended animation, along with a few others.
In the future, (perhaps the next series) the Klingon empire is overran by a hostile enemy, but the Federation stays neutral, until plans of genocide are learned by the Federation. The enemy starts wiping out the Klingons, the Federation invades. The Federation gets their ass kicked, and is on the brink of loosing.
Then the descendents of the Klingons and Federation folks at the far end of the galaxy (from out first series) appear from a wormhole near Borath, with Kahless as an old man who returns per the predictions of the Klingon religion. The fleet of ships are advanced and include phased cloak technology. They destroy the enemy shipyards which are in Klingon space, and since the enemy fleets are mostly in Federation space kicking the Federation's ass, this fleet inflicts a lot of damage causing the enemy to pull back from the Federation. The Federation regroups, and is supplied with technology from the advanced fleet (new weapons, phased cloak?, whatever).
Enemy reinforcements ar
Screw Star Trek. Star Trek is a dieing franchise. Battlestar Galatica is new age. Get with the program :-)
On a side-note I would actually enjoy a Star Trek movie, with the many aspects of BsG. I liked how the technology was realistic, and they really developed the characters past their potential. This was all done in a season (and coming 2), not in a 2.5 time span to introduce characters, make them do defend their morals and fight for whats GOOD, and then finally end in a dramatic and exceptional way.
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This franchise must be the most godforsaken around.
Its become a laughing stock for non-Trekkies.
Its become an embarrassment for sci-fi fans.
It has been killed off by the weight of its own past, with its mixture paradoxes, incongruities and plain old shit.
There isn't even a way to do a Battlestar Galactica remake on it as there is simply too much legacy which cannot be ignored without massive suicide (or murder) by the Trekkies (see the "I love Kirk" comments above or the godawful time travel "I love Picardy & Kirk" ideas above).
Stargate 1, Farscape, Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, Lexx and Babylon 5 - all brought epic scope, interesting characters and a fresh approach to sci-fi.
Star Trek needs to be taken off its self-support, its a cancer on sci-fi.
(I ACKNOWLEDGE ITS PREVIOUS IMPORTANCE, WITHOUT THE ORIGINAL SERIES AND TNG, THE SERIES I HAVE MENTIONED WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CREATED)
I haven't been terribly enthused with the franchise under Berman's stewardship and I keep scratching my head wondering "how the heck did this person gain so much influence over things?"
Anyone know?
It was the one where Picard gets unstuck in time and pulls a Slaughterhouse 5 thing. Q make an appearance and we find Picard is responsible for live on Earth. Really on of the worst abuses of logic in the series. Somebody needs to toss Berman/Bragga into the street just for that bit of Crap!
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I was somewhat annoyed that Enterprise was canceled since this season was covering a lot of ground mentioned in TOS. Beside the idiots that schedule it's airplay at the same time as Sci-Fi channel's top rated shows, I think one of the major issues with Star Trek is that they have jumped so much in the past and had so many stories that told about the future of Star Fleet. They writers have backed themselves into corners so to speak with the plots. To few mysteries remain. At this point it's just filling in the gaps.
I'd like to see them come up with a time travel paradox story line that messes things up so bad it can't be undone, effectively rebooting the whole thing. Or a story line that creates a patchwork universe out of different universes. Bring in new unknowns and minimize some of the known elements. One where the Vulcans never took the path of logic or the Romulans never split off from them. The Klingons never freed themselves from their oppression. There are lots of things that could be done but they need to make a major change.
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Guess what...
The next one after XI will be
"Star Trek XII: So Very Tired"
with the original cast!
Perhaps doing a multi-ship plot this time? how about a squadron of ships flying in another galaxy?
I'm delighted to learn that the crew of the Enterprise has put together a cricket team.
Now he's planning to give us a *new* crew for the next movie tells me exactly two very important things:
1. Rick Berman does not have a clue about *why* Star Trek is so popular - if he did he would understand that the characters are as important to fans as the storylines and that those characters need to develop within the context of entire TV show seasons, not within a 2-hour movie.
2. Paramount is trying to short-change fans by doing a film using the Star Trek name but using unknown, lower-salaried actors because they're not prepared to pay the salaries Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, etc. would demand.
Star Trek suffered a slow, lingering 7-year death during Voyager (yes, Deep Space 9 was a pretty good series overall although TOS and TNG were much better), Enterprise was IMHO *not* a Star Trek series and so it's time to let the franchise Rest In Peace...
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I don't have any blind loyalty to William Shatner as Kirk. His voice and some badly drawn cartoons played Kirk well on the Cartoon Channel.
Captain Kirk is a character, and played well, can be played by anyone.
Though he hasn't been around lately, the range of an actor like Jim Carrey can bring new life to this old character. Wit, intelligence, and a talking buttcrack are things that typify the good Captain. With the possible exceptions of Morgan Freeman and William Shatner himself (who are both way past their prime in terms of physicality), Carrey would be an awesome choice to play this legendary character.
First, the standard sure winners:
-Resurrect Kirk
-Time/space distortions caused by {going too close to the sun,alien weapon,wormhole}
-The Borg
-Hot semi-naked alien chicks
-Lots of talking
-Guys in rubber monster suits
Then, my recipe for success:
-A wormhole to the Star Wars universe
-Picard vs. Vader!
-A Terminator is loose on the Enterprise. "I need your boots, your clothes und your spaceship".
-Alien vs. Predator vs. The Borg!
-The three-boobied chick from Total Recall ("Captain, I can't reach the fire button")
-Admiral Scotty
-The Borg team up with the Zerg
It can't fail.
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If Erik Jendresen will pull-off a Band of Brothers like thing in Star Trek, and given that statement by him, the next Star Trek movie ought to be during the Romulan Wars!
I'm still wondering how they'll fit time travel, the holodeck, AND mind control into 140 minutes, and still have time to introduce the characters.
Whatever happened to the proposals to film Ian M Bank's novel 'Use of Weapons'? The Culture universe is much better realized than either Star Trek or Star Wars, has vastly more interesting technology and politics, and isn't limited to the back-yard scope that Star Trek increasingly feels like.
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Why is Berman still involved?
They're talking about three years before the next pic... what is he doing in the meantime? Just sitting behind a desk?
Why doesn't he take the hint... the reason nobody watched Enterprise is because IT SUCKED (at least for the first three seasons).
Why did it suck? BECAUSE OF YOU!
As a life-long trekkie, I think this is very bad news. If he's doing the next film, I say, let's get it over with now. Let's not wait three whole fucking years.
Get it over with now, that way, we'll see him replaced that much sooner.
Let's get some new blood in there already.
Dude, Johnny Knoxville called. He wants his shtick back.
What they should do is do a series based on the alternate universe. Bits and pieces of it have been given in 3 of the series, so why not make a whole series out of it? Would give a completey different view than what we are used to, no prime directive, Terran Empire ruling over Vulcans, Andorians, and the like, showing no mercy, and whatnot. Best part is even with what we know of the alt universe, there is a whole lot left unwriten which would leave for some origionality like the formation of the Terran Empire, its subsequent downfall, and then the terran slave rebels defeat of the Klingon-Cardiassian aliance. Lots of untapped material I say - XSS
The idea I keep hearing from Berman is that it will be another prequel (post Enterprise but pre TOS, if I recall correctly), and we all know how well the prequel concept has worked out in the Trek universe.
Well. I actually to some extenct enjoyed Enterprise. It was definitely no TOS, but at times still pretty good. I realize that's not the general concensus, but wth.
If you are to illustrate how "well" prequels work, I'd rather see people mention Star Wars. Ok. Episode 3 wasn't a bad movie itself, but the horrible, horrible acting ruined what may or may not have turned out to be a good movie.
To me, the Star Wars prequels, not the Star Trek prequel, why people should be tarred and feathered for ideas like this.
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This franchise is running way ahead of schedule. According to the Simpsons episode "Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie", it'll be at least 2025 before the release of Star Trek XII: So Very Tired.
Sample dialogue: "Captain's Log, Stardate 6051: Had trouble sleeping last night; my hiatal hernia is acting up. The ship is drafty and damp. I complain, but nobody listens."
okay, here's the new series. it's set in the star trek 'present', a few years after Voyager ends. The series opens at Starfleet Academy where Picard is teaching (he's offering a few words of advice to a favourite pupil, or presiding at the graduation cerimony or something. he's just there to tie it in to the old ST). The first episode follows a bunch of new recruits as they graduate and are sent off for their first training cruise. The next few episodes follow the trails and tribulations as they get to know the ropes aboard a starship...there are minor crisises and adventures, people get to know each other, the new crew starts to bond, yada yada. Halfway through the season the big story starts to kick in: outlying sysytems of the galaxy are falling to some MYSTERIOUS FORCE...it's a plague that wipes out entire planets, entire cultures, but it something more: it almost seems directed...controlled...but by who? or what? it's all starting to develop into a wee bit of an emergency, so the new crew is roped in to providing aid and assistance . As the series progresses things get worse and worse. The plague is unstoppable. It appears to be either directed by or part of some sinister shadowy alien entity from intergalactic space. The Klingons and Romulans are sent reeling. Cardassians are up to their old tricks trying to take advantage of the chaos. the Federation declares a state of emergency. The season one ends with Earth falling to the Plague menace, Starfleet is fragmented, there's a whopping final battle as various factions of the crumbling empires try to sieze control...The new ship and her crew are caught in an ambush...oh no! should season two ever get funding, it would follow the survivors of the catastophe as they try to piece the federation back together and defeat the alien menace. there ya go. That's my geek credits earned for today.
attempt to discredit Earth 'imperialism'. They will invade another planet of 'harmless' salt suckers borrowed from one of Kirk's earlier adventures. The salt suckers will once again pose as beautiful women and the FOP will cry out that the Earth government is lying about their true nature. Fully half the Earth population will claim it's a obviously ruse to protect the interests of Earth based Dilithium mining multi-planetaries.
The ending will be a surprise.
Is Earth's leader WRONG, or is it a case of not having the option of laying all one'e interstellar policy cards on the table?
You'll just have to wait and pay 300 quatloos for a ticket to find out. To protect MPAA interests all moviegoers will have the ending erased from their brains before being allowed to exit the theatre.
Star Trek is a beloved franchise. I love it, and I'm not alone.
I was digging around the IMDB, and comparing what I think to be the best Star Trek movie (Khan), and what I think is the worst Star Trek movie (Nemesis).
Something struck me about the two. Khan was written and directed by individuals with experience in the science fiction genre. Moreover, experience in making more cerebral type sci-fi, as opposed to big explosion aliens with lasers sci-fi.
Nemesis was put together by people who had no experience with sci-fi. Now, this Brand of Brothers guy has proven that he can write at a better then average level, but has zero experience with the science fiction genre. If they are going to continue this "let's not have experienced sci-fi writers and directors", the chances of them putting together a good film is low.
In addition, Star Trek has three television series with characters that have never seen the big screen. Why break with tradition? Why use some completely new cast, then add them to a writer and (probably) a director combination with no real experience in sci-fi?
It's as if they are constructing this movie from the ground up to be bad. There are plenty of decent sci-fi writers out there (heck, just look to some of the better episodes of TNG... I'm sure the writers of those episodes wouldn't mind seeing work). Find a decent director with sci-fi experience (off hand I think somebody like Andrew Niccol could probably do a good job).
Realistically, though, I think that under the direction of Rick Berman, Star Trek isn't going to put out anything that approaches what it had in the past. Berman just doesn't seem to "get it".
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"These technologies don't have any practical limits as defined by the shows and movies"
Isn't that the case with every television show and movie, sci-fi, fantasy, drama, action, or even documentary. Isn't that the case with REAL LIFE? I never stop to ask my friends why I can't pick of the phone and call up the Mars Rover. I never question why my car can't top 200mph. I never question these things because there's so blindingly obvious to me that there's no point questioning them. The same would doubtless be true for futurepeople and their futuretech.
Additionally, in the TV show, there certainly is an implied limit to the range of transporters. Pick any ten episodes of TOS or TNG (can'tcouch for VOY of DS9) and in at least half of them they'll need to transport somewhere, but can't because they're out of range.
In-depth explainations of futuretech's limitiations is pretty readily available in various books (like the Star Trek Technical Manual--I'm sure ever nerd's gotten at least one for Christmas). That's the kind of stuff that absolutely shouldn't be explained on screen. Weren't Voy and Enterprise cumbersome enough without even more useless exposition?
And I'm saving for counselling on top of the costs of seeing the movie...
Let it die already FFS.
The stories have become more and more dull with each passing show/film, a sure sign that the series is at its end. It happens, quit hanging on to it, let it die with some dignity like Seinfeld.
Its time for new worlds to be created that'll bring in the next generation of science fiction fans. Star Trek XI will not bring in new people into the genre. Science fiction will disappear like westerns if the same old shit is repackaged over and over.
I had to check there for a second... I was starting to worry (hope?) that you were CleverNickName. Then I saw "willing to learn acting"... which isn't a problem he has.
As an aside, Wil had a rare second Slashdot interview last year. Then we never saw the answers, beyond what he responded in the actual questions. Now, Slashdot is no longer linked to in his blog. Did Wil and /. have a falling out?
Something like...
"These are the voyages of the ISS Enterprise. To seek out new life, new slave races, and to boldly expand the Terran Empire."
Throw in some uniforms that vaguely resemble TOS uniforms, but with more militaristic flair. Oh, and the pain booth and agonizers worn by the crewmembers.
Then, tell the alternate versions of all the best shows from TOS.
And remember to have a "security chief" ala Sulu, and cast someone resembling a younger William Shatner as the Captain.
THAT would actually be sort of cool.
Star Trek: The Musical!
You mean you didn't notice that Hoshi/Linda Park was the hottest Trek-babe ever until the last four episodes? The shame, the shame...
Or maybe that's just me and my unhealthy obsession with asian women :)
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Star Trek in my eyes is a done deal. It's just too much, it's time for it to go to rest.
KIRK: Captain's Log, Stardate 6051: Had trouble sleeping last night; my hiatal hernia is acting up. The ship is drafty and damp. I complain, but nobody listens.
SULU: Captain, Klingons off the starboard bow.
KIRK: [covering his face in annoyance] Again with the Klingons... Scotty, give me full power.
SCOTTY: It's no use, captain; I canna' reach the control panel!
Star Trek XII: So Very Tired
or whatever number they're at.
The only prequel/past timeframe story I might like for a movie would be one with Sulu captaining the Excelsior.
1. New cast (working for less $$)
2. Familiar/beloved character
3. Visuals that are fresh, but accessible to fans of TOS and the early movies.
As far as television goes, do a Starfleet Academy series (set in TNG, DS9 time) in the spirit of teen soaps like Dawson's Creek or Beverly Hills 90210.
"after hearing that James Spader slept with William Shatner, I don't think I can look at Capt. Kirk in quite the same way again"
Actually, that'd be one more reason to put him back in the chair. After all, a man who'd do that, would do anything, right?
I think, therefore I am...I think.
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The reason that the latest Star Trek franchises have been unappealing to me is that the episodes have become too much like the other crappy social-dramas on TV, e.g., 90210, Dawson's Creek, OC.
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Star Trek was good because it was different. Saying it was "intellectual" might go too far. But it scratched a different itch.
Even if US TV watchers *like* shows like 90210, I'm tempted to think that they must like some variety as well. Even those people who fully enjoy reality TV and American Idol must eventually want to watch something different.
By making Star Trek the same as all the other shows, they eliminate the appeal that would have brought a "cross-over" audience while simultaneously alienating the fans who liked it for what it was in the first place!
If Star Trek comes back, ditch the gratuitous action scenes. Ditch the scantily clad women (7, T'pol). Ditch the cliche of ugly and screeching bad guys who spit venom and have acid for blood (ok, that was Aliens, but the Borg queen was close). Ditch the sexed-up alternative universes. If I want these things, I'll watch Die Hard again or buy the Girls Gone Wild movies. Be different! Or just be sci-fi
Think about it:
-as a borg, he could live to the days of TNG or later
-The plot could revolve around saving Kirk from the borg (a-la-seven of nine)
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Hmmmmm....
The 'NEW" Halodeck pulls a person from the past and somehow takes controll of a ship through a virtual version of it on the Halodeck, and controlls his mind though the illision of it all.
First, FTA: A lot of those shows are shot with budgets not much more than half of what ou(r) budgets are
Besides the obvious typo, I highly doubt that ST:E's budget is all that much bigger than any of SciFi's original programming. Example? SG-1. If SG-1 has an operating budget of even half of ST:E's, yet still produces high-quality programming, then the whole budget issue isn't a problem, and pretty much amounts to Berman blowing smoke up our asses.
SG-1 has quite a number of CGI sequences, like ST:E. Beyond the relatively simple animation of the gate itself and a few weapons, there are quite a number of ships (including the complex Goa'uld ships, Asgard cruisers, etc.), the Replicators (simple at first, then growing more complex), and the usual space scenes such as planets, stars, nebulae and more, not to mention the minor alterations to the Canadian landscape for location shots. Now, either Gekko/Double Secret/SciFi have found a way to render these scenes (which look pretty damn good) on the cheap, or Berman is using it as an excuse, one of many.
Second: I think the decline of Star Trek can be directly attributed to Berman himself, who started taking the franchise downhill not long after the death of Gene Roddenberry. Creative control, honestly, should have been given to Majel Barret-Roddenberry. After all, she was married to Gene, and it'd be impossible to think that some of his genius wouldn't have rubbed off on her during thier marriage. Berman was responsible for the lesser series DS9 and VGR, and obviously, those didn't do as well as TOS and TNG did, both in the ratings and creatively.
Third, according to quite a number of folks, Berman's not an easy guy to deal with. Slashdot's own Wil Wheaton can attest to that personally, and does so in his books. Granted, working with someone (relatively) new will bring about changes, but from most accounts, Berman was almost the direct antithesis to Roddenberry.
And no, I'm not trying to kiss Wheaton's ass.
My point is, Berman is giving us every excuse under the sun (some work slightly, others don't hold water) as to why Star Trek is in its waning years, instead of owning up to the fact that he took Roddenberry's vision and drove it into the ground himself. The slow demise of Trek can be traced back to when he took the helm (no pun intended).
I agree that Trek does need a rest. Oversaturation does play a part, but not as great a part as Berman would like us to believe...
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The reason why is because Braga is a creative consultant on the movie, and the villain is another time distortion. The movie numbers being out of sequence is a result of temporal distortion. ;^)
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rediculous.
Yes, I admit it, I used to go to Trek conventions in high school. (Now I go to gaming conventions instead.)
Anyway, this was not too long after TNG was over, and Marina Sirtis complained about having to kiss Worf, because of the hard plastic forehead and how much that hurt to hit her head on. Very funny... also referred to him as "Big, stupid Worf".
I feel your pain.
Trek is dead.
Star Wars is dead.
Both of them have been killed off by those charged with maintaining the franchise. In the case of Star Wars, it's been milked and killed by it's own creator!
Farscape was killed by the network that aired it.
What's left? Stargate?
Wait, I see something in the distance. It's a small ship, but it's a surviver. The network who financed it's early days tried it's best to kill it, and yet it has arisen from the ashes, rising like Phoenix with a new movie.
Screw Trek. Screw Star Wars. Screw it all. I'm going to bask in the Serenity of a new Sci-Fi franchise.
Book me a passage on a Firefly. The Brown Coats are calling.
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Starring
- Captain Red Foreman
- First Officer Kitty
- Yeoman Pinciotti
- Science Officer Fez
- ... and boy wonder Eric, the captain's son.
Join us next week when Enson Foreman tries to score with Yeoman Pinciotti and makes a fool of himself... just like every other week."ERIC YOU DUMBASS! EYES ON YOUR CONSOLE!"
Cries out in pain.
DS9 has a great bunch of characters. Bring back Sisko dammit!
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Back when The Search for Spock was just coming out, if you can imagine that.
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Subj: SEARCH FOR SPOCK
From: St. Paul c64 & IBM
Date: 06-04-84 at 11:38 AM
trekkies, don't waste your money - the search for spock is boring, not really
believable, and by far the worst of the three. the only high point is seeing
christopher lloyd ('jim' from taxi) dressed up in monster makeup and costume,
still talking like a spaced druggie. score now: 1 for 3 on trek dreck -- only
the wrath of kahn was any good!
He doesn't mention Christopher Lloyd's "Back to the Future" role because that movie hadn't even been made yet. It boggles the mind!
Numb: 7
Subj: Pound a tribble in your ass.
From: APPLE AVENGER
Date: 06-04-84 at 06:34 PM
To the above ruggie:
I found that Star Trek
much special effects and no story. Star Trek
stupied (play 'amazing grace' at spocks funeraul was stupied!). I found star
trek
The other 2 movies the directors ran the characters. Star trek
the characters and the people that play them.
The movie gave us a new way to think about star trek. Is it totally over for
the entire crew? Will they get a new enterprise? Will spock fully return to us?
This we will never know or maybe we will soon know because paramount studios is
talking about star trek
-Avenger
Loyal trekkie for life
Long before Berman and Braga got their grubby little hands all over it, Star Trek involved eager anticipation. Anyone remember that? *sigh*
The coolest voice ever.
Sybok, is that you?
That has the potential to be very good.
People said the same when they announced Enterprise, and I'll tell you what I told 'em:
No, it doesn't, Not with Berman in charge.
You can't take the sky from me...
Yes, I'm a chemist.
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Sorry, I'm only a 1336 h4x0r.
It's gotten so bad that even Scott Bakula looks embarrassed to be a part of it. Think about that. SCOTT BAKULA is ashamed of it!!
Please, God, just end it. Put it out of its misery before it gets even worse! End the series, the movies, the books, the conventions. Just let it go!
Geez, it's almost as sad a decline as "The Simpsons."
-Eric
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
At the end of the last movie, we subtly realize that Data performed a "core dump" into B9. The one song that we was whistling in the beginning happened to be the same song that B9 was whistling at the very end. It's been a while since I've seen the DVD, so I can't remember exactly what happened, but it's clear that although Data as a physical machine is gone, at least part of who he was became a part of B9. So, it's always possible to play on that arc as well should they ever wish to revisit TNG crew. That actually could add some dimension (aka. the Seven-of-Nine arc on Voyager, which was one of the only good character arcs of the whole, putrid show) but it could never be developed properly in a single movie.
Regardless, that's probably all academic now as I doubt that they'll make another movie with the Next Gen crew. You never know, though.
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Can you say BattleSTAR GalacticaTREK?
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All the fans really want to see is this series/movie: "The Adventures of Captain Sulu."
"There is no night so forlorn, no mood so bleak, that it cannot be infused with pleasure by tender meat..." - R.W. Apple
Well they managed to blow up their ship in every movie so what else is new?
Did they actually blew up the crew too in the last movie? I lost track.
Title: Band of Redshirts
[You have a stable society when some nut guns down a schoolyard and the law doesn't change.]
Brent Spiner is far too old to play Data anymore unless they came up with some stupid excuse for modifying B-4's features to make him look older. (BTW, his name was B-4, not B-9. I guess that's Prince-speak for before). The saddest part of the Enterprise finale was Riker's massive drooping bags under his eyes. He definitely looked 50+ years old rather than the 30+ he was in The Pegasus.
Hey, remember that Pegasus was in the last Season of TNG - 93/94 (right?). It's more like ten than twenty years ago. What that has done to the appearance of Riker, on the other hand, is irrelevant. I think that he looks much more out of character in TNG season 1 :-)
P.S. Just kidding. I know they won't do that, and I don't plan to watch the next one anyhow (I didn't see Nemesis; I heard that I already saw it with a much better performance by Montalban). But if by some wierd chance there's actual Wil content in it, what the heck, why not?
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What kind of a world do we live in where Michael Okuda is out of a job, but Berman and Braga still have work?
"Son, you tried your best, and you failed miserably. The lesson is: Never Try
Fair enough. I remember it being listed as B-9 as it was a play on "benign". Just confirmed his name as "B-4" on the DVD, though.
http://www.trektoday.com/news/160701_05.shtml
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Good point, but I will stand by my point that the years have not been well to Commander Riker. :-) If they had a little more budget they could've CGI'd out the bags under his eyes at least. Ah well, RIP TNG crew. I have been enjoying the TNG episodes in reruns and now I remember why I used to love them so much. They are by far the best of the series.
Kirk is the man, but let's face it, his storyline has pretty much been covered.
Instead, bring back evil Kirk! Hell, bring back evil Spock too! Have all the johnny-come-latelys, i.e. Picard, Janeway, and all the rest try to defend the Federation against those two.
The Federation would then, of course, be destroyed. The franchise closes for a decade or so, and then they release three movies, with the first called "A New Hope." The new trilogy would follow the rebuilding of the Federation by let's say . . . Data.
Because Wil is the faggiest TNG character ever, and i was extremely happy to see him ago, along with millions of other star trek fans. THANK GOD there is no more wil. Nuff said. The Wil fans are in the extreme minority. some sort of weird fetish or something
Star Wars, episode IX: The invasion of the Borg.
Don't hold your breath. Whoopie did make an appearance in Star Trek: Generations but was so disgusted with the movie that she asked not to be in the credits. ...or maybe she just bought into the "odd-numbered Star Trek movie curse" and predicted that movie's quality. (
Myself, I thought the only thing wrong with Generations was the way it was marketed: as a movie about Picard and Kirk working together to stop the latest menace to the universe, which in reality only lasted for two scenes toward the end of the movie. The movie itself was actually alright if you overlook that.
If the odd-numbered curse holds, I am concerned about the Star Trek franchise depending on an odd-numbered movie to get back on its legs again.
Maybe they could just skip straight to XII?
Did anyone bother to ask the customers what they want?
He's previously said that the film will feature a whole new cast and ship; it's being written by Band of Brothers screenwriter Erik Jendresen."
Ok, so the crew of the USS Intrepid is sent to the planet from TOS where it's still 1944 Germany, and the cast will honor the prime directive, and then get captured, and then have to slog through the Ardennes Forest towards the Rhine with Easy Company.
In the end, to escape the brutality of the Stalag, the Klingon Captain of this Federation ship rushes the guard tower while the science officer teaches the American captives how to make a bomb from the pollen of a weed. THe final shootout is between Panzers in the snow and a shuttlecraft.
The entire story is told as flashback from the Federation officers, now in their eighties and safely back at Starfleet.
Excellent, I've had a movie idea for the Star Trek Universe for awhile. Its simple basic galactic war.
The basic idea was that the Borg were tired of getting beaten by the Federation and everybody else in the Alpha and Beta quadrants. So they send fleets of cubes and everything else they've got. They start first with the Romulans and Klingons, moving towards the heart of the Alpha quadrant. Giant ship battles, ground warfare, the whole works.
In my mind this has always been a Section 31 movie. Unknown to the rest of Starfleet, Section 31 has its own fleet of ships, cloaking technology, everything that the Federation is supposed to not have.
But damnit I think this would make a great movie. It lets you kill some characters, redefine the polotical map of the galaxy, segues into a nice possibility for another show in a few years. I think it would work.
I/O, I/O, its off to disk I go, with a read and a write, and a bit and a byte, I/O, I/O, I/O, I/O
What the parent is getting at (and the grandparent completely fails to see) is that technology is the downfall of Star Trek, and scifi in general. Technology does not a good story make; plot, characters, and setting do. The technology is just one aspect of this latter category, and thus is of extremely minor significance.
The grandparent seems to want something along the lines of Discovery/Sci-Fi Channel. Um, no.
I would like to see a completely different take on star trek. A much more gritty and grim version. Perhaps taking place during a great war between the klingons and/or the romulans.
I think that everyone's become so used to the traditional trrek formula that we've been desensitized. TNG set the paradigm for trek as it stands today. We need somehting new and interesting and totally unlike th trek we know. Only then will this franchise be resurrected.
I can just imagine Odo and Grisham measuring the distances between phaser holes in the bulkheads.
In the script that was leaked before the movie came out, the android's name was indeed B9. Doesn't matter to me, since both are fairly awful wordplays. I suppose you could argue that Dr. Soong had a thing for hokey metaphors, but if they were going to use a Data twin in a movie (especially if he was to be working for the bad guy) it should've been Lore instead.
You left off the best one! - Data and R2D2 have a romantic liaison. ("Geordi, C3P0, go find out where those loud beeps and whistles are coming from!")
I always wondered... what the hell was Guinan doing on a Ship of War? Why would a Ship of War have a bartender? From all I could see in that episode, Guinan was the ONLY civilian? I think that was the only weak point in the plot...
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I think you just described Battlestar Galactica...
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but are there any weapons of mass destruction?
get rid of him
There is currently in development a Star Trek based MMPORG, which is set to go into beta in about mid 2006, that would make the game ready for the box prob mid to late 2007, likely 2008, seems like if a new movie is ready to go, it will be released in tandem with the game as to maximize people's interest in it
Even after all that time in bridge officer training, the first time they leave her in command she crashes into a planet. Nice. "I'm sensing something large coming toward us, Captain, but I can't say what."
I don't think the Curse of the Odd was reset, I just think it was superseded by a more powerful curse: The Curse of Fives.
Anything Trek movie or series that is divisible by five shall suck mightily.
Gory, realistic deaths illustrate the consequences of violence, upping the stakes and dramatic tension. It certainly seems to have added cred to the works of John Ford, Don Seigel, Quentin Tarantino, etc. Sci-Fi fans usually praise realism. I don't see why Trek couldn't be gorier.
Enterprise was not fully in the loop with the rest of Star Trek History. No where in any of the other 4 series, or any of the 10 movies, was there mention of a first ship being named the Enterprise - in fact, they went so far as to say that the Enterprise-E was the 6th Starfleet ship to bear the name (D being 5th, C 4th, B 3rd, A 2nd, and the Original Enterprise 1701 from TOS being the first. They acknowledged the space shuttle Enterprise, but never once talked about NX-01 ship. I agree the "Enterprise" series might have been a nice addition to the history of Star Trek, but they needed to make it fit more into line. Second, where did the technology come from? Voyager's episode involving travelling back to 1996 answers all of that, about how a Federation Time Ship from the 28th century crashed in 20th century earth, and was discovered and exploited by a native, Henry Starling. He was not able to fully exploit the 28th century technology, but deffinitly put things in motion. Star Trek's "future history" is deep and rich. Pick yourself up a copy of the Star Trek Encyclopedia - in fact, buy one for the makers of Enterprise and this new movie too, so they can get it right this time. As per the movie, I'd like to see something set in the early 2300's - 50 years before TNG and 20 years or so after the last original series movie. Something with a random Excelsior class ship. Even perhaps go back to Roddenberry's talents of relating real-world problems in the future - maybe the Federation invaded a regime that harbored future weapons of mass destruction...
Why can't someone program a replicator to replicate an entire spacecraft, therefore having infinite war time production capabilities?
Heh, they did that in DS9, though it was mines guarding the wormhole, not spaceships.
It seems misguided to recast. There's no reason they couldn't put Odo, Rom, Tom Paris, Seven of Nine, Beta, Ro Laren and Reg Barclay all on the same ship, taking orders from Admiral Janeway and Rear Admiral Sulu back in Sector 0. TNG, DS9 and VOY all left off where the characters would naturally be reassigned. All you really need is a dynamic new captain. These b-listers wouldn't cost much more than unknowns and it would bring fans from all three series in.
Also, the most successful movie plot was the one that built on a TOS episode (Space Seed-->Wrath of Khan). The TNG characters should revisit a TOS planet (like the 20's gangland planet, now up to 1970's technology). There's a reason people like Star Wars III better than I or II: it has comforting ties to the characters and events we grew up on, not just new characters using familiar weapons.
Serously screw you!
... (which by the way is the core of trek). And picard is a pathetic excuse for a commanding officer. (Kirk is a cowboy, granted.) But picard just sits there and was riker, worf, and data deal with everything, as he has "witty" conversations with tori or the doctor. I use the term witty very liberally.
Now onto my rant. The original was the star trek i want to remember. It was the best, lets face facts.. in TOS they had a mssion. that was to explore and well (kirk explored some women) they did that mssion.
TNG is a dman joke. The ship never did any exploring
Now... DS9....oh.. ^$@^$&#@% total shit. It is not even a star trek.
Now Star Trek Voyager, and the reason i say screw you... is the that Voyager was as close to the original as star trek can ever be again. They explored.... they followed the misson, and teh cast was interesting. (The holo-Doc above them all... because he was a better McCoy than McCoy).
Its a cancer now...because it all sucks now... they need to do a voyager again... they need teh core of trek... exploration, new ideas, new places, new lessons...
-Post Anon... you damn right....
As far as the Enterprise E being the sixth Starfleet ship to bear the name, that would be accurate. Since the Fedaration hasn't even been formed yet during Archer's time, the NX-01 isn't a "Fedaration ship".
I am sure someone out there has a web site comparing Star Trek to Star Wars. I can't resist, however, arguing about who can kick the most ass.
Basically, I think on hand-to-hand the Star Wars gang is going to pound any Trek denizens to sand. Unless they are fighting Data, or one of the mighty morphing creatures.
On technology, Star Trek beats Star Wars, except strangely, in the technology of making people survive battles. Star Trek seems to have an unscientific aversion to cloning or implants --unless they go horribly wrong.
Star Wars ships seem to go faster, for no other reason than it seems that Lucas is uninterested in the "journey" of space travel. But SW shields seem to be less powerful. ST weapons are many orders of magnitude more powerful.
SW may have the force, but in ST, people accidentally get God-like powers as often as they might get killed. So watch out for an occasionally Hyper Evolved Kirk.
SW doesn't have transporters, but ST doesn't have sound effects in space (you only hear the blasts inside the ships). OK, I basically have no point here other than SW doesn't have transporters.
SW has a lot more cool and funky war machines. Most weapons systems seem kind of useless--in the grand scheme. Other than tie fighters dodging about, big ships seem to just stand broadside of each other and fire. For some reason, computers just can't seem to automatically home into a target (in ether Universe). I'm sure some gamers would argue these points, but they are, of course, playing games. Tactics, or troop strategies seem to be better in SW--because basically, in ST, all you do is go through an excessively large air vent, and nobody has thought to add a motion detector. At least in SW, somebody has to sneak around and disable something--and they never have a man wearing a corset, using a double-handed slam as though that were the coolest fighting technique and advanced civilization can come up with. And for some reason, in ST, only good guys can shoot straight. But ST seems to work better with large strategies, like inventing a new use for the deflector array, while in SW, somebody is just going to have to die--a nod towards realism, I suppose.
In SW, all races are more or less on the same level, with humans somehow being the best model to clone for troops. In ST, even having an extra heavy eyebrow can mean a race has telepathy --so different creatures matter. Even Wookies don't have Borg strength. Generally in SW, it's all about the Force and robots are wimps. In ST, machines are more of a real threat, though they are used much less (perhaps all those "Discarded Doomsday machines that keep killing" issue might have made its point). I only have one comment on this; why has nobody talked about the issue of EMP shielding? Of course, shielding life forms is even tougher. Everyone on a future battlefield will have to, at least where goggles. I mean, flooding the area with blinding laser light is just pretty obvious.
When you add it all up, you realize that both these Sci-Fi epics are pretty weak on anything important to say about technology, fighting or how people will be influenced by said technology. But I still think those walkers are cool looking. So who cares?
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It sounds like a good idea, but if they really want the movie to be good, they really need to get George Lucas to direct it and write all the dialog.
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It still doesn't account for the scene in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, that depicts all the previous Enterprise's, and being that NX is a Starfleet registry (see: USS Defiant, NX-74205 and USS Excelsior, NX-2000), then one would assume that whatever the NX-01's official "fleet" is (I don't keep up with Enterprise) that it turned into Starfleet.
Lets see if we can work Chun into the new star trek...lets the klingons or anyone else try to defeat the perfection that is sinanju!
Jack Fucking Bauer.
-C
Alien vs. Predator vs. Kirk vs. Sydney Bristow vs. Jack Bauer?
No Contest. Jack Fucking Bauer.
Get it right for now and ever - Go Away, to a universe, far far away from the one, Gene Roddenberry created!
Please, Shareholders of Paramount,
stop Berman instead of stopping Star Trek. There is a market for scifi, if you put someone in charge, who is able and willing to create scifi.
Please let me never ever again see any story in the Trek Universe justifying Death Punishment - as at least in DS9 and Voyager. ... ...
Find someone, who puts "Holodecks" on the list of hazardous technology.
Find someone, who takes or reinvents the schemes of Gene Roddenberry (you know: Federation for the US, where the good and humanity have won - much to do in the next 300 years, Vulcans for Japan,
instead of remulans - inspired by nosferatu, ferengi - wait: greedy, great ears and noses, can't remember where I have seen this before
Hire David Howard, Galaxy Quest was more "Trek" than the sum of all Mr. Berman "produced".
What kind of PCP enhanced world does berman live in to think that we actually still want to see his tripe?! Look, despite having a fairly good cast for trek 10, it still turned out to be a piece of crap.
You forgot nazis. Berman loves him some nazis.
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." -Voltaire
It's been done. In a novel written by William Shatner, picking up at the end of Generations, scarily enough. Kirk comes back as a Borgified zombie, and commits suicide, taking the Borg with him, IIRC...
And Seven of MINE? When Anika appears, Kirk tries to hump her, but then her nanoprobes emasculate him with a nano-reach-a-round. Kirk is undone in his end-run.
He decides... 'Stryker, Stryker... STRIKE-HER!"
So, Krik jumps a timeline and makes a deal with The Guardian of Forever...
He kirk-like-falls onto and soils the bridge of Voyager just before Harry Kim is to be quantime-side-lined by the Vidiian ship destruction...
Janeway, in good makeup and a bit more voluptuous, sees womanizing Krik pulling up his trousers, after having nailed Edith Keeler (and making her keel over), and with her spritly, fast mind, gravelly gruffs at Krik:
Get OFF MY BRIDGE... you time-line-hopping Inseminator! I'm in no mood for Organ Donations... But, before you abscond, Decontaminate my DECK.
But, the price for refusing kirk was she had to never again hear from Mark, and to take a substitute Harry Kim whom she (umm, blame 20th century human/hollywood myopia and a twinge--no, make that a contemptible dose-- of racial/cultural insensitivy) never, EVER field promoted beyond Ensign. For the sake of the audience, Harry could have been promoted to Lieutenant (not just LT (j.g.!); hell, Star Fleet could always revert the promotion. But, given the record of the crew we've seen, most of them deserved two promotions. (Yeh, Harry got a promotion AND a ship, but only in another timeline--not the audience timeline.)
Meanwhile, Kirk, hops to another timeline, back in his own, holding that scruffy, hairy little dog in The Enemy Within, hollering "I WANNA LIVE". It would have been interesting if the special effects of the day allowed super-virile Kirk to kiss and (ass)ault his effective but less humpile instantiation whom (according to 20th century lesbians under pseudonyms) giddily and effectively wrote adult-rated trek pron, postulating Krik and Psock as lovers...
Hmm, is there any fan-trek that can find two actors of near likenes and for no money, lend a bent on that angle of bridge crew relationships?
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What is this "decline" of which you speak? It's still about 200 times funnier than "The World According to Jim" and that other sitcom tripe that infests network tv.
Fans are making a watchable series, with 2 episodes 42minutes long each, available from http://www.newvoyages.com/
Go git 'em, I just saw the first, and it's funny, and definately Trek.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
New ship and cast, eh? The only way to get the sympathy of diehard fans will be to forge some sort of connection with TNG. So why not make it a movie chronicling a journey of the Titan under captain William Riker, as alluded to in Nemesis? As long as the movie has Jonathan Frakes in it (with inevitable cameos by Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner, only this time as B-4), it can't be that bad, right? Riight?
Strictly speaking, it does account for the statement that the Enterprise E is the sixth Starfleet ship to bear the name.
The real explanation, of course, is that B&B don't give a rat's ass about Trek and its fans, much less continuity.
And then, in five years, when they decide that funds are low and it's time to capitalize on yet another Star Trek film, they'll make another episode with the same actors, as if nothing ever happened. And we're supposed to pretend that it didn't. That episode will be called Star Trek Wars, and it will include Yoda, Darth Vadar, and the whole Star Wars crew, in addition to the Star Trek crew. The purpose of this yet-another final episode will be to throw additional fuel on the fire of people who confuse Star Wars and Star Trek, as if there isn't a clear difference between the two. (One happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, and the other is happening in the home galaxy in a distant future time setting.)
I was WONDERING why there were 6 guys and a tent camped out in front of my local theater. Now I know.
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Thanks for this thread. You've just spawned a few more gigabytes worth of crappy fan-fiction pages.
The editors at Doubleday or Pocketbooks (or whomever publishes the Trek novels) thank you also for the reams of unsolicited manuscripts based on these and other fantastic stories.
There are 1.1... kinds of people.
I'd like to see a set of movies chronicling the history of several of the notable races in the Star Trek universe.
For instance, a movie about Surak leading the violent Vulcans to passionless peace, filmed in epic cinematic style (like Spartacus).
Or a tale about a Klingon warrior wandering across the wild lands of an early Kronos, facing challenges and seeking to overthrow a tyrant and forge the Warrior's Way (taking stylistic cues from Samurai Jack).
Think different!
Who's going to nail down the kiddie toys for this one? Burger King or McDonalds?
*sigh*
He never should have shaved off the beard. Made him look more stately, old, and even admiralish. Stuck-up sometimes yes, but still.
I'm 28. No, I haven't kissed a girl, at least romantically. I am one.
... oh, is this a quote from Shatner on SNL? Huh, that was a while ago.
I went to Trek conventions at least ten years ago when I was high school. I'm terribly sorry that you think I should have spent my recreational time doing something more productive, like getting drunk or screwing some guy in the back seat of a car.
"The real explanation, of course, is that B&B don't give a rat's ass about Trek and its fans, much less continuity." Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Couldn't have said it better myself.
it is funny