OK. I think I understand you, but I don't think you get what I am comparing it to. I'll try to cover your point one by one so that you can point out where I'm wrong:
Pooling of disk space: I can remotely log a user into X on a server (one 10GB image, in your example) from a blank machine using netboot, and use/home to store changes. The result is the same, probably uses fewer resources than virtualizing 100 desktops, and will use less disk space overall. Changes are stored in my home and can be used wherever I log in from. I can VNC from the road if I want to.
Remote hosting and data security: I get the remote hosting thing, but I doubt any companies are going to go for it. They scream about having e-mail hosted. I can't imagine trying to convince them to put the whole machine image somewhere else.
Thick or Thin client: As I said, X, VNC, and X over SSH offer all these benefits. Why use a VM?
Managing 100s-1000s: I get this, too. I just don't see how it varies from thin clients and application servers, which are a known and trusted technology. What I've read also implies that this system will require a full, custom installation of Ubuntu on every desktop, as well, which means that you're back to managing individual machines.
Basically, we're looking at all the benefits of a standard Unix deployment here. We've got centralized backups and administration / management. We've got choice of protocols to use. We've got disk pooling. People are acting like SunRays didn't offer all these features ten years ago.
Oh, I get it. I'm sure virtualization of desktops offers some benefits. I've just never heard them actually mentioned.
but you can do a netboot thin-client for Ubuntu, forward X for the entire desktop, or just forward certain apps over X. I don't understand what virtualizing 1000 desktops would give me.
I don't really get the whole "virtualized desktop for each user" part of the deal. From what I've read in two of the reports, They'll be using something similar to Win4Lin (same company, even) to host these images as virtual machines pushed to standard Ubuntu installs.
How is this better than application servers? Or even thin clients with remote/homes? Where's the benefit?
I would think that I could use either netboot or an X-only installation to connect to a terminal server and get the same deal with less work and lower cost.
IBM's smart. I'm obviously not understanding part of the deal. What is it that I'm not getting?
I'm originally from Hawaii, and I see the problem with going renewable as an economic one for the state. The economy's largely based on the tourist industry, and the draw is the natural landscape.
Wind power seems to hold a lot of promise because of constant trade winds. On the other hand, the windward sides of the islands aren't that large and see nearly daily rain. I can't imagine that all the rain would be good for the generator maintenance. There's also the fact that a lot of the Hawaiian homesteads are on the windward sides of the islands, reducing the usable area further. The leeward areas, though rarely rainy, are generally for tourists, and who wants to go to Hawaii to see a wind farm? They go for the beach, volcanoes, and pineapple farms.
Solar power suffers from a similar problem, but the limiting factor is rain. It's not sunny enough on the windward side. The leeward side may see 360 days of sun a year (just guessing), but solar farms would ruin the natural feel of everything.
I don't think Hawaii can convert without destroying its economy.
Windows hit 1.0 in 1984. Windows NT 3.1 (It's initial rlease, or real 1.0) came out in 1993, but had been in development as OS/2 3.0 for some time and kept the same basic Windows API from Windows 3.0. Nextstep (now OS X) 1.0 was released in 1989. Linux (the kernel) 1.0 was released in 1994, but the desktop environments (KDE/GNOME) were almost five years later (98 and 99, respectively).
So when people come down hard on the Linux desktop, they need to remember that it's really only about ten years old, compared to almost 25 for Mac/Windows. FD.o is not very old and is the desktop specification machine for the Linux (and other Unix-alike) desktops.
If we graphed the desktop capabilities for each OS over time, I think it would be obvious that Linux-based OSes are moving much faster than the others. Even if distance is not on our side now, velocity and acceleration are. The distance is only a matter of time (*velocity;)) Source
Who is using that? Debian/GNOME and it doesn't matter for me what the extension is unless the file mime-type type isn't discoverable from the file itself (e.g. it's empty).
"Open source is a development method for software that harnesses the power of distributed peer review and transparency of process. The promise of open source is better quality, higher reliability, more flexibility, lower cost, and an end to predatory vendor lock-in."
"Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of free as in free speech, not as in free beer.
Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
* The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
* The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
* The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
"
In Korea, the sale of soju (the local hard liquor) is seen as an indicator of consumer confidence in the economy, so is treated as a leading indicator. When confidence is high, Koreans tend to buy more imported alcohol like scotch. When people feel economic pressure, the sale of soju skyrockets.
Drinking lots of grain alcohol will help you forget just about anything, including a bad economy.
No, that's not Google Docs. That's Google Gears. If the blog writer wants a port of Google Gears, then he should call for one. Docs doesn't require gears to work.
Would you use a smartphone dock? I know I would if the interface were an open standard, the terminal were really dumb, and the phone used biometric security.
I'm really looking forward to the new crop of ARM processors, the ARM10s. Atom-like performance at about a third of the power usage. Wow. Flash is already prepped for the ARM via the iPhone. If people can get over the lack of Windows, ARM netbooks could be a big hit.
There is one caveat here, and it would have to be addressed â" currently, thereâ(TM)s no OpenOffice port to Androidâ(TM)s Dalvik JVM, so Google would have to get a comparable productivity solution for Java working, run a local port of Google Docs, or port X.Org to Android to make the regular OpenOffice implementation work on either ARM or x86.
WTF is a "local port" of Google Docs? It's a webbapp, forchissakes!
I didn't get castrated, but I did get diagnosed with low testosterone and went on TRT. I got sharper (though still not as sharp as when I was young). Low testosterone can lead to irritability, difficulty sleeping, more retained abdominal fat, and diminished faculties.
p.s. Was there a medical reason for the castration? I though a vasectomy was bad enough....
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Basically, we're looking at all the benefits of a standard Unix deployment here. We've got centralized backups and administration / management. We've got choice of protocols to use. We've got disk pooling. People are acting like SunRays didn't offer all these features ten years ago.
Oh, I get it. I'm sure virtualization of desktops offers some benefits. I've just never heard them actually mentioned.
but you can do a netboot thin-client for Ubuntu, forward X for the entire desktop, or just forward certain apps over X. I don't understand what virtualizing 1000 desktops would give me.
I don't really get the whole "virtualized desktop for each user" part of the deal. From what I've read in two of the reports, They'll be using something similar to Win4Lin (same company, even) to host these images as virtual machines pushed to standard Ubuntu installs.
/homes? Where's the benefit?
How is this better than application servers? Or even thin clients with remote
I would think that I could use either netboot or an X-only installation to connect to a terminal server and get the same deal with less work and lower cost.
IBM's smart. I'm obviously not understanding part of the deal. What is it that I'm not getting?
Ummm, you mean the "promise" ... er, requirement ... that they fought against the EU over for four years until they were fined over a billion dollars?
I don't give them much credit for that. It's all the EU's doing.
I'm originally from Hawaii, and I see the problem with going renewable as an economic one for the state. The economy's largely based on the tourist industry, and the draw is the natural landscape.
Wind power seems to hold a lot of promise because of constant trade winds. On the other hand, the windward sides of the islands aren't that large and see nearly daily rain. I can't imagine that all the rain would be good for the generator maintenance. There's also the fact that a lot of the Hawaiian homesteads are on the windward sides of the islands, reducing the usable area further. The leeward areas, though rarely rainy, are generally for tourists, and who wants to go to Hawaii to see a wind farm? They go for the beach, volcanoes, and pineapple farms.
Solar power suffers from a similar problem, but the limiting factor is rain. It's not sunny enough on the windward side. The leeward side may see 360 days of sun a year (just guessing), but solar farms would ruin the natural feel of everything.
I don't think Hawaii can convert without destroying its economy.
Windows hit 1.0 in 1984. Windows NT 3.1 (It's initial rlease, or real 1.0) came out in 1993, but had been in development as OS/2 3.0 for some time and kept the same basic Windows API from Windows 3.0. Nextstep (now OS X) 1.0 was released in 1989. Linux (the kernel) 1.0 was released in 1994, but the desktop environments (KDE/GNOME) were almost five years later (98 and 99, respectively).
;))
So when people come down hard on the Linux desktop, they need to remember that it's really only about ten years old, compared to almost 25 for Mac/Windows. FD.o is not very old and is the desktop specification machine for the Linux (and other Unix-alike) desktops.
If we graphed the desktop capabilities for each OS over time, I think it would be obvious that Linux-based OSes are moving much faster than the others. Even if distance is not on our side now, velocity and acceleration are. The distance is only a matter of time (*velocity
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Or, it could mean that FF does spell checking on the text area but not the subject line ....
You didn't read the subject line, apparently.
Who is using that? Debian/GNOME and it doesn't matter for me what the extension is unless the file mime-type type isn't discoverable from the file itself (e.g. it's empty).
Here's your problem: Open Source is not Free Software.
"Open source is a development method for software that harnesses the power of distributed peer review and transparency of process. The promise of open source is better quality, higher reliability, more flexibility, lower cost, and an end to predatory vendor lock-in."
"Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of free as in free speech, not as in free beer. Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
* The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
* The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
* The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. "
OSS treats software as a tool. Free Software is a movement. Stallman is the founder of Free Software.
I wasn't aware that ATI had released any information more helpful than that which NVIDIA had. ATI's drivers are still closed source.
ATI now has three drivers for Radeons
Does anyone produce a laptop with a battery that plugs into the 9V DC socket?
You are required to purchase a three-year extended warranty. I expect that covers most of the stuff in your list.
.... That's only US$4000
If you're really worried, you could buy one and another a year and a half later
In Korea, the sale of soju (the local hard liquor) is seen as an indicator of consumer confidence in the economy, so is treated as a leading indicator. When confidence is high, Koreans tend to buy more imported alcohol like scotch. When people feel economic pressure, the sale of soju skyrockets.
Drinking lots of grain alcohol will help you forget just about anything, including a bad economy.
Asking the three-digit Slashdotter for his geek card just doesn't seem right!
No, that's not Google Docs. That's Google Gears. If the blog writer wants a port of Google Gears, then he should call for one. Docs doesn't require gears to work.
Would you use a smartphone dock? I know I would if the interface were an open standard, the terminal were really dumb, and the phone used biometric security.
I don't know what happened to my brain there. Of course I was meaning the Cortex A9s. Disregard my ramblings.
I'm really looking forward to the new crop of ARM processors, the ARM10s. Atom-like performance at about a third of the power usage. Wow. Flash is already prepped for the ARM via the iPhone. If people can get over the lack of Windows, ARM netbooks could be a big hit.
There is one caveat here, and it would have to be addressed â" currently, thereâ(TM)s no OpenOffice port to Androidâ(TM)s Dalvik JVM, so Google would have to get a comparable productivity solution for Java working, run a local port of Google Docs, or port X.Org to Android to make the regular OpenOffice implementation work on either ARM or x86.
WTF is a "local port" of Google Docs? It's a webbapp, forchissakes!
Did you somehow believe from my post that I was attacking Red Hat? I was defending their choice. Why come off with the attitude?
But I though you were "Lucid ...." ;)
I didn't get castrated, but I did get diagnosed with low testosterone and went on TRT. I got sharper (though still not as sharp as when I was young). Low testosterone can lead to irritability, difficulty sleeping, more retained abdominal fat, and diminished faculties.
....
p.s. Was there a medical reason for the castration? I though a vasectomy was bad enough
Based on how much you work in your tech job, I agree completely. ;)