Off-topic for a second. THIS is why I have continued to suffer the 1:19 signal:noise ratio and goatse trolls on Slashdot since 1997. Especially before the dot bomb, every story had someone directly involved with the situation posting somewhere in the comments.
Got a story about VAX? There are fifteen people with decades of experience on the forum. Bruce Perens is always on any story involving him (sometimes to an annoying level...). You had to know that Jeremy would be posting on this story.
Although less than it used to be, Slashdot still has people I can't see anywhere else. Thank you, Slash!
danielbo@danielbo-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get remove bash
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Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
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bash foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters ubuntu-desktop
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WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
bash
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 6 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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After unpacking 8679kB disk space will be freed.
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OK. I'll repeat. RC2 for the development platform. It's just like screaming that the building whose foundation has been laid and whose girders have been put in place really looks like shit on the inside. Nobody really cares. Why am I responding? I don't even like KDE.
reconfigure of X worked if I went back to the non-proprietary drivers, but only in 800x600 8bit mode.
Wait. You used the open source nv driver and your hardware wasn't supported? That driver is the shit and works (2D) blazingly with everything. In fact, it was written with 2D specs from NVidia. Even the vanilla vesa driver will work on Nvidia hardware in 1024x800x32bits. What did you do?
Norman,
Can you give me the link to your forum post? I'll reply.;)
By the way,
6.06 Dapper Drake (LTS)
6.10 Edgy Eft
7.04 Feisty Fawn
7.10 Gutsy Gibbon
8.04 Hardy Heron (LTS)
I'm not a big fan of KDE and I don't use it, but you need to give KDE4 a break. Nobody's working on themes or icons sets at this point. They're trying to get the core functionality into KDE4 right now. In fact, when KDE4 is released as 4.0, the developers even say that you shouldn't consider it a DE, but more of a development platform. IT probably won't be a full DE until 4.1. Then you can bitch and moan about how ugly it looks. (My opinion is that it'll have the same blockiness that KDE3, KDE2, and KDE1 had, but I hope I'm wrong).
I think that QT makes an incredible development platform for a lot of people, and I even tried it back in QT2 days. Development in KDE destroyed development in Gnome until Mono came along. Now I think that Gnome may have the advantage, but we'll see what KDE4 bings to the table.
Well, this 4.0 release shouldn't really be considered a full DE (by the developers' own admittance), but rather a framework, so comparing it to a full Gnome desktop isn't really fair.
My typical Gnome desktop with everything running -- Epiphany with six to ten tabs, Tomboy, Empathy, and Rhythmbox, weighs in at about 350MB, so Gnome still doesn't seem that heavy.
If you use KDE with all KDe apps, it'll be fast and lean. It's the same with Gnome. Lean is relative to other full-featured DEs, of course.
That doesn't change the fact that legacy documents which will be converted into OOXML for "compatability's sake" will not be accurately read by the software which believed "it is actually very easy to implement the compulsory (non-legacy) components of the standard" and only implemented those parts. Make no mistake -- If OOXML is accepted as a standard, millions of legacy documents will be converted by governments and come online in a form only really readable by MS, and the governments will believe otherwise, trusting in the standard.
I ask a simple question: How do you re-flow a PDF to fit your browser window? Oh, you can't?
Ummm, I think it's called "Fit Page Width" in Evince. Oh, Reflow? PDF is meant to retain document formatting. It works perfectly for desktop publishing attempts.
Word processing programs aren't for desktop publishing, but most WP programs continue to try to get pixel-perfect formatting. This is the largest complaint I get from reviews of OpenOffice.org -- that it doesn't keep the same exact document formatting that the MS Word version of the document had. The mentality confuses me no end.
I have no real loyalty to distros, but I use Ubuntu because it works pretty well and I support a few friend who use it so I need to be knowledgable about it. I used to use Mandrake (98-2000? Maybe.) I've been using Gnome long enough, though, that I prefer it to KDE now. To others -- No, I don't want to have an argument over it. I've used just about all of the WMs and DEs in the last ten years.
I'm not trying to give Ubuntu a bad time: I just expected the experience of Gutsy to go forward from Feisty, not backward.
I meant that Gutsy shoved too many new features in with the intention of shaking out the problems before the next LTS. It sucks. It's wrong to ship a bunch of known problems that could be easily fixed in a production release, even if it's not an LTS version. They did, however, have a reason for shoving that much stuff in (FWIW, they did the same thing before Dapper 6.06). Vista cut out most of its announced features. I know that Apple at least cut out the network option for Time Machine, but they may have cut more. Neither of those OS vendors were looking to the current OS as a beta for the next release. There's no double standard.
I didn't imply that Ubuntu was the only Linux release. I said "from three OS vendors." Let's be serious, though. Ubuntu got 54% of the desktops in the most recent Desktop Linux survey. That makes it important. I'm sure Suse was great. I bet PCLinuxOS rocked. Gutsy, however, didn't.
I'm not a new Linux user. I've used Gnome with Ubuntu, Red Hat and LinuxTLE, XFCE on Xubuntu, KDE on Mandrake and Kubuntu, Rox and IceWM over a thin client network on a limited server, and even WindowMaker quite a few years ago.
I don't have any problems with app speed, especially on the new computer I just got. Memory is just fine. In fact, I love my desktop, but there were a lot of opportunities that were missed because EASY bugs were introduced then weren't fixed or known non-working conditions were shipped.
I'll put it bluntly. They didn't fix enough known bugs before release date. They shipped with a bunch of known problems for wireless (which worked on Feisty) and other bugs I was personally involved in the discussion of. The entire Real Link series of wireless drivers broke. There were workarounds. They could have used one.
There's a relatively simple bug which involves changing a.po file. If you have Gutsy or Feisty, try yanking out a USB key without unmounting. It will warn you to use the "eject" option first, only there's no option anywhere to eject a USB key -- only to "unmount" it. How will a new user ever be able to follow the advice given? There was a.po change offered and discussion for two months, but the bug still shipped. That's crazy.
Don't get the impression that I'm anti-Ubuntu or Linux. You can read my posting history or visit my blog and realize quickly that that's not true. There were a lot of known issues that shipped in Gutsy, though. They didn't fall through the cracks. They just weren't fixed. Canonical needs to wake up and realize that that shouldn't happen.
But I'm not saying for a moment that people are or should leave Ubuntu for Suse, or even Ubuntu for Kubuntu. I am saying I know several (not including myself) who are leaving Ubuntu Gutsy for Ubuntu Feisty, the previous version. That's a serious wake-up call to Canonical.
I wasn't tying to side-track the issue into a Linux flame war. I was trying to point out yet another similarity. TFA asserted that Leopard is the new Vista. From what I see, Gutsy is the new Vista, as well. Vista, Vista, everywhere.
I think the current releases from three OS vendors suck right now: Vista, Leopard, and Gutsy. Being a full-time Gutsy user, I'm particularly hurt by that one, but not surprised. I said several times before it was released that it was going to suck more than Feisty, and it did. Canonical was trying to get everything unstable into Gutsy so that the bugs could be worked out for the long-term release. Wireless is broken (again) for many people on the same hardware that worked since Dapper. Enabling Compiz by default was a big mistake. Firefox is less stable. MEh.
At least Canonical has a reason for it to suck though: Microsoft and Apple intended to put out decent operating systems.
For the people I know:
Vista owners are installing XP,
Gutsy owners are installing Feisty, and now, apparently
Leopard owners are rolling back to Tiger.
It's a fucking banner year for the OS. I hope 2008 is better.
That's a good story. Thanks. I do remmeber one female guesy on CGeeks talking about tech support finlly (secretly) recommending she wipe Vista on her new laptop and install XP.
I have no doubt, though, that everyone I know will be using Vista in three years.
I don't know about Vista being great. Every tech show I listen to talks about how bad it is. Mainstream stuff like TWiT and Cranky Geeks. Those aren't exactly anti-MS. Their advice? Install WinXP over Vista. That tells me something.
I don't really want to argue with you, but the computer I used with a USB printer in 1997 was some low-end model (P133 / 32MB RAM) from a major brand like Gateway or HP that I bought in the military exchange (PX). It was definitely not a specialty item or a high-end model. It was very mainstream. The USB printer was also low-end. It couldn't have been too rare.
FWIW, I didn't use Wikipedia. I just remember installing USB support for Win95A and not having to do it for B. USB mouse uptake was slow for me because I continued to use older equipment for a long time. The uptake for keyboards was positively glacial because they never break.
All those old slots were there for a reason. Let me see first if I know the ones you're talking about.
ps2 keyboard/mouse
parallel port
serial port
USB
I've only got 4, but it's close enough to 6. Numbers 1, 2, and 3 were there for forever because people still had old printers, keyboards, and mice that they wanted to continue using. Serial ports work well and and are still standard on a lot of equipment today, not to metion all the Palms people had to sync using the ports.
Windows supports legacy software for the same reason. People are still using that 16-bit software they bought in 1994 on XP. Speaking of which, that's proably the explanation for the continues use of the BIOS.
Just because Mac fans buy completely new mice, keyboards, monitors, and printers every time the people get a new computer doesn't mean the rest of the world does. Reuse is a good idea. Heck, I haven't used Wondows since 98 , and even I understand that.
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Off-topic for a second. THIS is why I have continued to suffer the 1:19 signal:noise ratio and goatse trolls on Slashdot since 1997. Especially before the dot bomb, every story had someone directly involved with the situation posting somewhere in the comments.
Got a story about VAX? There are fifteen people with decades of experience on the forum. Bruce Perens is always on any story involving him (sometimes to an annoying level...). You had to know that Jeremy would be posting on this story.
Although less than it used to be, Slashdot still has people I can't see anywhere else. Thank you, Slash!
OK. I'll repeat. RC2 for the development platform. It's just like screaming that the building whose foundation has been laid and whose girders have been put in place really looks like shit on the inside. Nobody really cares. Why am I responding? I don't even like KDE.
reconfigure of X worked if I went back to the non-proprietary drivers, but only in 800x600 8bit mode.
Wait. You used the open source nv driver and your hardware wasn't supported? That driver is the shit and works (2D) blazingly with everything. In fact, it was written with 2D specs from NVidia. Even the vanilla vesa driver will work on Nvidia hardware in 1024x800x32bits. What did you do?
Norman, Can you give me the link to your forum post? I'll reply. ;)
By the way,
6.06 Dapper Drake (LTS)
6.10 Edgy Eft
7.04 Feisty Fawn
7.10 Gutsy Gibbon
8.04 Hardy Heron (LTS)
I'm not a big fan of KDE and I don't use it, but you need to give KDE4 a break. Nobody's working on themes or icons sets at this point. They're trying to get the core functionality into KDE4 right now. In fact, when KDE4 is released as 4.0, the developers even say that you shouldn't consider it a DE, but more of a development platform. IT probably won't be a full DE until 4.1. Then you can bitch and moan about how ugly it looks. (My opinion is that it'll have the same blockiness that KDE3, KDE2, and KDE1 had, but I hope I'm wrong).
I think that QT makes an incredible development platform for a lot of people, and I even tried it back in QT2 days. Development in KDE destroyed development in Gnome until Mono came along. Now I think that Gnome may have the advantage, but we'll see what KDE4 bings to the table.
Well, this 4.0 release shouldn't really be considered a full DE (by the developers' own admittance), but rather a framework, so comparing it to a full Gnome desktop isn't really fair.
My typical Gnome desktop with everything running -- Epiphany with six to ten tabs, Tomboy, Empathy, and Rhythmbox, weighs in at about 350MB, so Gnome still doesn't seem that heavy.
If you use KDE with all KDe apps, it'll be fast and lean. It's the same with Gnome. Lean is relative to other full-featured DEs, of course.
That doesn't change the fact that legacy documents which will be converted into OOXML for "compatability's sake" will not be accurately read by the software which believed "it is actually very easy to implement the compulsory (non-legacy) components of the standard" and only implemented those parts. Make no mistake -- If OOXML is accepted as a standard, millions of legacy documents will be converted by governments and come online in a form only really readable by MS, and the governments will believe otherwise, trusting in the standard.
Thanks for that. I actually searched to find 2girls1cup.com
I ask a simple question: How do you re-flow a PDF to fit your browser window? Oh, you can't?
Ummm, I think it's called "Fit Page Width" in Evince. Oh, Reflow? PDF is meant to retain document formatting. It works perfectly for desktop publishing attempts.
Word processing programs aren't for desktop publishing, but most WP programs continue to try to get pixel-perfect formatting. This is the largest complaint I get from reviews of OpenOffice.org -- that it doesn't keep the same exact document formatting that the MS Word version of the document had. The mentality confuses me no end.
Lyx and pdflatex all the way, babe!
I have no real loyalty to distros, but I use Ubuntu because it works pretty well and I support a few friend who use it so I need to be knowledgable about it. I used to use Mandrake (98-2000? Maybe.) I've been using Gnome long enough, though, that I prefer it to KDE now. To others -- No, I don't want to have an argument over it. I've used just about all of the WMs and DEs in the last ten years.
I'm not trying to give Ubuntu a bad time: I just expected the experience of Gutsy to go forward from Feisty, not backward.
I meant that Gutsy shoved too many new features in with the intention of shaking out the problems before the next LTS. It sucks. It's wrong to ship a bunch of known problems that could be easily fixed in a production release, even if it's not an LTS version. They did, however, have a reason for shoving that much stuff in (FWIW, they did the same thing before Dapper 6.06). Vista cut out most of its announced features. I know that Apple at least cut out the network option for Time Machine, but they may have cut more. Neither of those OS vendors were looking to the current OS as a beta for the next release. There's no double standard.
I didn't imply that Ubuntu was the only Linux release. I said "from three OS vendors." Let's be serious, though. Ubuntu got 54% of the desktops in the most recent Desktop Linux survey. That makes it important. I'm sure Suse was great. I bet PCLinuxOS rocked. Gutsy, however, didn't.
I'm not a new Linux user. I've used Gnome with Ubuntu, Red Hat and LinuxTLE, XFCE on Xubuntu, KDE on Mandrake and Kubuntu, Rox and IceWM over a thin client network on a limited server, and even WindowMaker quite a few years ago.
I don't have any problems with app speed, especially on the new computer I just got. Memory is just fine. In fact, I love my desktop, but there were a lot of opportunities that were missed because EASY bugs were introduced then weren't fixed or known non-working conditions were shipped.
I'll put it bluntly. They didn't fix enough known bugs before release date. They shipped with a bunch of known problems for wireless (which worked on Feisty) and other bugs I was personally involved in the discussion of. The entire Real Link series of wireless drivers broke. There were workarounds. They could have used one.
.po file. If you have Gutsy or Feisty, try yanking out a USB key without unmounting. It will warn you to use the "eject" option first, only there's no option anywhere to eject a USB key -- only to "unmount" it. How will a new user ever be able to follow the advice given? There was a .po change offered and discussion for two months, but the bug still shipped. That's crazy.
There's a relatively simple bug which involves changing a
Don't get the impression that I'm anti-Ubuntu or Linux. You can read my posting history or visit my blog and realize quickly that that's not true. There were a lot of known issues that shipped in Gutsy, though. They didn't fall through the cracks. They just weren't fixed. Canonical needs to wake up and realize that that shouldn't happen.
But I'm not saying for a moment that people are or should leave Ubuntu for Suse, or even Ubuntu for Kubuntu. I am saying I know several (not including myself) who are leaving Ubuntu Gutsy for Ubuntu Feisty, the previous version. That's a serious wake-up call to Canonical.
I wasn't tying to side-track the issue into a Linux flame war. I was trying to point out yet another similarity. TFA asserted that Leopard is the new Vista. From what I see, Gutsy is the new Vista, as well. Vista, Vista, everywhere.
At least Canonical has a reason for it to suck though: Microsoft and Apple intended to put out decent operating systems.
For the people I know:
- Vista owners are installing XP,
- Gutsy owners are installing Feisty, and now, apparently
- Leopard owners are rolling back to Tiger.
It's a fucking banner year for the OS. I hope 2008 is better.That's a good story. Thanks. I do remmeber one female guesy on CGeeks talking about tech support finlly (secretly) recommending she wipe Vista on her new laptop and install XP.
I have no doubt, though, that everyone I know will be using Vista in three years.
MS wrote and agreed to various conditions as part of a settlement
Fixed that for you.
I don't see how an OS can be replaced. The computer has to run on something.
I don't know about Vista being great. Every tech show I listen to talks about how bad it is. Mainstream stuff like TWiT and Cranky Geeks. Those aren't exactly anti-MS. Their advice? Install WinXP over Vista. That tells me something.
Interestingly, Ron Paul, as a Libertarian, would probably do the same thing. I'm a Paul supporter, but freedom is freedom.
I don't really want to argue with you, but the computer I used with a USB printer in 1997 was some low-end model (P133 / 32MB RAM) from a major brand like Gateway or HP that I bought in the military exchange (PX). It was definitely not a specialty item or a high-end model. It was very mainstream. The USB printer was also low-end. It couldn't have been too rare.
Heck, it might have been this one http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/680.htm
All those old slots were there for a reason. Let me see first if I know the ones you're talking about.
- ps2 keyboard/mouse
- parallel port
- serial port
- USB
I've only got 4, but it's close enough to 6. Numbers 1, 2, and 3 were there for forever because people still had old printers, keyboards, and mice that they wanted to continue using. Serial ports work well and and are still standard on a lot of equipment today, not to metion all the Palms people had to sync using the ports.Windows supports legacy software for the same reason. People are still using that 16-bit software they bought in 1994 on XP. Speaking of which, that's proably the explanation for the continues use of the BIOS.
Just because Mac fans buy completely new mice, keyboards, monitors, and printers every time the people get a new computer doesn't mean the rest of the world does. Reuse is a good idea. Heck, I haven't used Wondows since 98 , and even I understand that.