If you lived and worked in areas of the world which I would call "developing," you would favor freedom more than you do now. For some of, forgetting about "it's got to be free, man" is like giving up on real democracy and just accepting the corruption that exists and destroys as inevitable. Free software may not mean much for the deleveloped nations of the west, but for the rest of the world, Free software equates to national freedom.
How about this, then: for the first time in ten years of using Linux, I was asked by someone else to install it. In fact, two different people requested it. That' definitely different
I would've agreed with you when computer programs didn't have the triple threat of copyright (on the binary and source), trade secret (for the source code), and patents (for the algorithms). The fact that copyright has been extended to... basically forever doesn't help my opinion of it. Bring back limits, and I'm right there with you.
So basically, you're saying that the community doesn't support truly innovative open-source projects, causing them to die for lack of volunteers? That's pretty much my point right there.
No, I'm saying that radical ideas almost always fail in the marketplace. There's a business rule which says something like "Never be the first to market with a new concept. Let that company fail and use what you learn from them to succeed in the market." The market generally accepts what is tried and true. That's true for software. It's true for movies. It's true for music. And... shock... it's even true for OSS. Welcome to society.
DISCLAIMER: I am an OS X user, though I can fully understand how Apple obviously takes the path of "good and fast" by throwing "cheap" out the window.
I understand now. Throughout this discussion, I just thought you were an idiot. Now I see that you're a fanboy.
There are so many truly innovative open-source projects I couldn't name them all, but most just don't get much support because... wait for it... they're too innovative and different. Look at SymphonyOS. Heck, look at bittorrent. You think that didn't innovate?
It's just a lot easier to build a new OS that can leverage 30 years worth of programs, so people try to make sure the GNU set will run on them. Even Apple took a bunch of open source tools as the base of their operating system.
By the way, Apple didn't innovate with the iPhone. That kind of shit has been in Japan and Taiwan for a couple of years now. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't make it new.
Interestingly, there's a big debate on just this topic. The blueprint is Hardy-reducing-duplication. There's a strong movement (not including me) to remove Mono, Tomboy, and F-Spot from the Ubuntu default install and use Gnome Sticky Notes and GThumb, which are also included. There really seems to be a big anti-Mono movement out there.
I personally think that most of the fast, interesting work on Gnome apps is happening with Mono, so I don't want to see it removed, but that's just my opinion. Top 10 Improved Ubuntu Applications of 2007 from my blog talks a little about it. While this is officially self-promotion, there are no ads on my blog, so it doesn't make me any money.
Blogspam warning! I did an overview of the likely improvements in Ubuntu (no K) Hardy just today. http://ibeentoubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/12/upcoming-hardy-heron-features.html. The blueprints which don't have to do with the desktop will be in Kubuntu, though, so the article might still be useful for Kubuntu people.
the rest of the Linux distros & community works at a slower pace than ubuntu wants to run at...
I have to comment somewhere to undo a botched mod, and you look like a good candidate.;)
Ubuntu releases exactly on the schedule of Gnome. Ubuntu is a Gnome distro and was created to release early and release often on its schedule. Gnome comes out in March and September. Ubuntu has time to do final tests on the official product and ship in April and October. That means that you're just wrong, not interesting as modded.
It just auto-saves every couple of minutes. Graphics don't have to be resent. So we're talking about some HTML of differing sizes depending on the length of the document. I'd hazard a guess at no more than those same people using medialess Internet, but you should probably contact Google for a really good estimate.
If Google ever gets a remote calendar interface other than read-only, I'll be all over Google Apps. Right now, I pretty much use GMail (with IMAP to Evolution), Calendar (with an ical viewer on Evolution), and Docs for simple stuff, but I can't just head-first in there the way I want to. The OO.o to Google Apps sync doesn't work for me, either.
Oh, yeah, and I want Jingle support in some (any!!!) Jabber client so I can do voice/video.
Standard Oil had a monopoly. I'm pretty sure there were Amish folk back then. Just because they didn't use oil doesn't mean that S.O. didn't have a monopoly.
The geeks who run that "alternate OS" were almost certainly forced to buy a copy of MS Windows, unless they built that machine themselves. Heck, here in Korea, Samsung sells the bare hard disks with Windows.
Hey, I'm not arguing with you about keeping trade secrets. I just think that Apple made a huge mistake closing down (what used to be) one of its major rumor/fan sites trying to find out who leaked this story. Yeah, whoever did leak it probably violated an NDA and should be terminated or whatever Apple's punishment for that offense is, but taking action against your fan base just seems really stupid to me. Once the cat's out of the bag, you can't put it back in. Apple seemed to be sending a message that rumor sites should discontinue printing rumors "or else...."
By definition, a trade secret has no protection. If you want protection, you need to file a patent. Once a trade secret is out, you have no rights to squash it. Well... except filing a DMCA take-down notice....
Bad news for you. If you lived in Asia, there were quite a few "iPhone-like phones" a couple of years ago. And they were 3G. Visit Japan, Taiwan, or even Korea sometime. Apple didn't make some kind of leap with the iPhone -- It's just evolution and marketing.
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If you lived and worked in areas of the world which I would call "developing," you would favor freedom more than you do now. For some of, forgetting about "it's got to be free, man" is like giving up on real democracy and just accepting the corruption that exists and destroys as inevitable. Free software may not mean much for the deleveloped nations of the west, but for the rest of the world, Free software equates to national freedom.
How about this, then: for the first time in ten years of using Linux, I was asked by someone else to install it. In fact, two different people requested it. That' definitely different
I would've agreed with you when computer programs didn't have the triple threat of copyright (on the binary and source), trade secret (for the source code), and patents (for the algorithms). The fact that copyright has been extended to ... basically forever doesn't help my opinion of it. Bring back limits, and I'm right there with you.
I support OGG, but I don't see people actually using it the way you do. People seem to prefer mkv and h.264 (which are also Free, I understand).
Well, if he wants stable, it certainly wouldn't be 2.7. Oh, wait ... ;)
Right now, the cheap laptops have 15.4" screens.
Sadly, the not-so-cheap ones now have 19" screens. My local Samsung shop has several on display.
This article is over two months old. I read it in November. Geez. Just because it's New Years eve, we can put any top 10 list from the year on?
So basically, you're saying that the community doesn't support truly innovative open-source projects, causing them to die for lack of volunteers? That's pretty much my point right there.
... shock ... it's even true for OSS. Welcome to society.
No, I'm saying that radical ideas almost always fail in the marketplace. There's a business rule which says something like "Never be the first to market with a new concept. Let that company fail and use what you learn from them to succeed in the market." The market generally accepts what is tried and true. That's true for software. It's true for movies. It's true for music. And
DISCLAIMER: I am an OS X user, though I can fully understand how Apple obviously takes the path of "good and fast" by throwing "cheap" out the window.
... wait for it ... they're too innovative and different. Look at SymphonyOS. Heck, look at bittorrent. You think that didn't innovate?
I understand now. Throughout this discussion, I just thought you were an idiot. Now I see that you're a fanboy.
There are so many truly innovative open-source projects I couldn't name them all, but most just don't get much support because
It's just a lot easier to build a new OS that can leverage 30 years worth of programs, so people try to make sure the GNU set will run on them. Even Apple took a bunch of open source tools as the base of their operating system.
By the way, Apple didn't innovate with the iPhone. That kind of shit has been in Japan and Taiwan for a couple of years now. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't make it new.
Interestingly, there's a big debate on just this topic. The blueprint is Hardy-reducing-duplication. There's a strong movement (not including me) to remove Mono, Tomboy, and F-Spot from the Ubuntu default install and use Gnome Sticky Notes and GThumb, which are also included. There really seems to be a big anti-Mono movement out there.
I personally think that most of the fast, interesting work on Gnome apps is happening with Mono, so I don't want to see it removed, but that's just my opinion. Top 10 Improved Ubuntu Applications of 2007 from my blog talks a little about it. While this is officially self-promotion, there are no ads on my blog, so it doesn't make me any money.
Blogspam warning! I did an overview of the likely improvements in Ubuntu (no K) Hardy just today. http://ibeentoubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/12/upcoming-hardy-heron-features.html. The blueprints which don't have to do with the desktop will be in Kubuntu, though, so the article might still be useful for Kubuntu people.
the rest of the Linux distros & community works at a slower pace than ubuntu wants to run at...
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I have to comment somewhere to undo a botched mod, and you look like a good candidate.
Ubuntu releases
exactly on the schedule of Gnome. Ubuntu is a Gnome distro and was created to release early and release often on its schedule. Gnome comes out in March and September. Ubuntu has time to do final tests on the official product and ship in April and October. That means that you're just wrong, not interesting as modded.
Thanks for the info about the API. I didn't know about it.
The Jingle support line was part of the "I want a pony" exercise.
It just auto-saves every couple of minutes. Graphics don't have to be resent. So we're talking about some HTML of differing sizes depending on the length of the document. I'd hazard a guess at no more than those same people using medialess Internet, but you should probably contact Google for a really good estimate.
If Google ever gets a remote calendar interface other than read-only, I'll be all over Google Apps. Right now, I pretty much use GMail (with IMAP to Evolution), Calendar (with an ical viewer on Evolution), and Docs for simple stuff, but I can't just head-first in there the way I want to. The OO.o to Google Apps sync doesn't work for me, either.
Oh, yeah, and I want Jingle support in some (any!!!) Jabber client so I can do voice/video.
And a pony! I really want a pony!
Standard Oil had a monopoly. I'm pretty sure there were Amish folk back then. Just because they didn't use oil doesn't mean that S.O. didn't have a monopoly.
The geeks who run that "alternate OS" were almost certainly forced to buy a copy of MS Windows, unless they built that machine themselves. Heck, here in Korea, Samsung sells the bare hard disks with Windows.
Yeah. No shit. I did, too.
Hey, I'm not arguing with you about keeping trade secrets. I just think that Apple made a huge mistake closing down (what used to be) one of its major rumor/fan sites trying to find out who leaked this story. Yeah, whoever did leak it probably violated an NDA and should be terminated or whatever Apple's punishment for that offense is, but taking action against your fan base just seems really stupid to me. Once the cat's out of the bag, you can't put it back in. Apple seemed to be sending a message that rumor sites should discontinue printing rumors "or else ...."
So the only way to win is to cheat?
I had to use that in my sig. Thanks.
Yeah. Do you remember all the "IAmTheReal..." usernames once impersonation became popular? You never knew who to believe. Hehe. Memories.
Thanks, Jeremy, for continuing to make Slashdot a place worth my time.
So would Intel have sued your company, the person who leaked, or the reporter?
By definition, a trade secret has no protection. If you want protection, you need to file a patent. Once a trade secret is out, you have no rights to squash it. Well ... except filing a DMCA take-down notice ....
Anytime Microsoft gets a whiff of what Apple is doing, they can release vaporware announcements faster than Apple.
Fixed that for you.
Bad news for you. If you lived in Asia, there were quite a few "iPhone-like phones" a couple of years ago. And they were 3G. Visit Japan, Taiwan, or even Korea sometime. Apple didn't make some kind of leap with the iPhone -- It's just evolution and marketing.