Ubuntu server is going to start using eBox "Really Soon Now"^tm. This will be great for new admins and small businesses. It's really easy to set up LDAP / Samba / Mail / Jabber and pretty much anything else SMBs need with a nice clicky interface.
Know any other easy way to do LDAP on Linux, short of spending large cash? Doing it myself (especially with OpenLDAP) caused lesions in my brain last time. Think of the children!
Seriously, though, eBox (and by extension, Ubuntu Server 8.10) looks slick for the market it was designed for.
Hmmm. Doesn't sound like such a great deal for MS to me. Due to the requirement for unbundling, the OEM gets slash its support department, declaring "We only do support for hardware now." MS has to sell the OS and support it, driving up the cost (or, more likely, driving down the massive MS profits) and giving us a good idea of what the OS should really cost. With the real cost in hand, the consumer can choose to pay Sun, Canonical, MS, or whoever for the OS and support. Every other OS maker has to absorb the cost of non-community support. Why shouldn't MS?
If Dell and others bought the rights to the source code and for redistribution, then the Windows market (while still totalling 95% or more of desktops) would be shattered into a competitive market again, driving the cost of the OS down and creating pressure for increased security, among other things. I don't see that as bad. Microsoft would be the big loser in the situation, though, so I don't ever see it happening.
Oddly, I use Ubuntu, but not for any of the reasons mentioned. Easy isn't all that important to me because I've been on Linux for about ten years now, since long before it was anything you'd call easy. I use it because I have three people who've wanted to switch over to Linux, and I'm supporting them while they do. I gave them Ubuntu because of its ease and popularity, and I use it so that I'm familiar with it when they ask questions.
Since Cedega will be packaged with Mandriva, I would love to see a Steam-type application involved. Buy the game, download, and install (with hacks) under Cedega all on-line. If game installation were that easy, more people would do it. Mandriva would benefit from the increased user base, too. They desperately need it.
He should talk to the guys over at LTSP. They've been doing POS setups for probably eight years now, using thin clients. Local printers. Local barcode readers. The software. They've got it all.
Take some old, small form factor PIIs and any modern server and you're in.
No. That's not what I meant. Geeks who use Linux should understand the trends and standards for it, whether they choose to follow those standards or not. Desktop users should understand desktop standards. You chose not to use them. Great. The original poster claimed ten years' experience in Linux without know what the default launcher for 90% of Linux / BSD desktops looks like. Know your system.
By the way, are you stalking me? You've replied to three or four of my posts in the last two days.
You're. I guess I stated that poorly. It never became illegal. They had six months of legailty AND support before they were forced to upgrade or run an EOLed OS.
Interesting that you mention that. Do you know the story behind Thailand's flip-flop on FLOSS? They were all ready to convert a couple of years ago, then MS came in to the education department and "offered" to give them blanket licenses to cover all their pirated ones. The license was Windows 98... six months before they EOLed it. I'm sure glad Thailand sold its soul for that six months of legality.
Is your version of Linux and actual Desktop machine? Is it one of the ones which tries to follow Freedesktop.org's guidelines? I ask because I have 2176.desktop files, mostly in/usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications. They are application launchers.The.desktop standard is on the Freedesktop.org wiki.
Ten years is a long time to go without running into a.desktop file, considering KDE has been using them for as long as I can remember.
Tell that to George Harrison. Most people don't even believe that he knew he was infringing on the song. Most people believe that the impetus for the song becoming famous was Harrison and not the similar opening riff. The plaintiff still got 70% of the single proceeds and 50% of the entire album's proceeds. Wow.
Actually, off the Gnome system monitor, but basically the same thing. I'm not going to do a full memory profile for something this simple. The memory usage may actually be lower when counting shares libs, but that only supports my original point.
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Interesting. I've been looged in to 2.20 all day, and my top processes right now are:
Epiphany (8 tabs) 80MB
Deskbar 24MB
Nautilus 16MB
Rhythmbox (playing) 15MB
Tomboy (50+ notes) 14MB
Ekiga 10MB
My panels are stuffed to the gills, I've been running all day, and I'm still only using 309MB of memory. I'd call that really good for requirements on modern hardware. We can talk later about what happens when I open OO.o, but that's not a Gnome app.;)
If you use Gnome, you'd do well to try Epiphany. Firefox doesn't follow any of the Gnome conventions: it looks completely out of place in a Gnome desktop. The GUI for Epiphany is much more responsive and I get to tag my bookmarks. There's also the little gem of writing your own quick searches as easily as adding a bookmark. You like Firefox. Go ahead. Gnome users who try to stick with Gnome apps for a consistent look and feel should be on Epiphany, though.
You are so right. The code is a mess. Everyone complains about it. The fact that there are very few contributors outside paid staff is also well known. There is some work on cleaning it up, but not nearly enough. Once the code is clean and modular, there will be many more contributors and much more advancement.
It was kind of my point that everyone does it and has been doing it for a long time. Seems like a non-story to me. Was anyone surprised that this product appeared on the market?
Chip makers have been doing this for so long I can't actually remember when it started. Now it's cores, but it used to be cache. The chip doesn't pass QA, gets downclocked or rebranded for less cache and sold to the economy sector. Not earth-shattering news.
I was mainly comlaining about instancing and repetitive quests, but I'll address the point you bring up/ What's the difference between new shards and new areas of a single map? Be a pioneer. Even the old areas aren't completely stable, though. Whenever there's someone in power, there's someone who wants to take him/her out of power.
I don't know. You see someone as "the most powerful player" while I want to see someone move out of adventuring and into politics. Rule an entire area. Get assassinated. Or be the assassin. Something. Anything but lame quests that mean nothing to the world at all. Heck, I'd prefer to be the storekeeper than going out on some made-up quest that's obviously fake. Let the people in power set the quests and offer the rewards based on what they want to accomplish.
I guess I've always been into the role-playing aspect of RPGs. MMORPGs don't seem to supply that at all. You can't get into your role. You can't become someone. You can't make a difference in the world. That kind of sucks, doesn't it?
Why can't you use the populace to help you create content (similar to Second Life, I guess)? The town gets too crowded and people want to leave because htere's no opportunity. Some of them take their money, hike six hours to a completely new area, and build their own town. Once they have that, people might start coming to raid the area, and the original founders might become wealthy and powerful. Or they might starve to death, leaving a ghost town which gets overrun by orcs. Hmmm. Seems interesting to me.
I made a comment similar to this, probably last year, on another Slashdot story. I find the description of EVE interesting, especially when talking about rising to power then trying to protect yourself and surround yourself with trustworthy people.
I don't play MMORPGs, but I might if I felt like I had a real chance to make changes in the world. Some battle between wizard players creates an area which is uninhabitable. The economy is real. People can build towns. Give me random natural disasters like earthquakes or hurricanes to wipe out large cities. I'd even like it if death were real (in the normal, RPG sense of the word) in the game: Now THAT would make you think about how to protect the character you'd just invested 100 hours in. If there were more "realism" (yes, I understand the contradiction there), I would be more likely to play.
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It's a new troll making its way around. Calling Linux Linuzzz while bashing it is the new "17MB file" troll.
Ubuntu server is going to start using eBox "Really Soon Now"^tm. This will be great for new admins and small businesses. It's really easy to set up LDAP / Samba / Mail / Jabber and pretty much anything else SMBs need with a nice clicky interface.
Know any other easy way to do LDAP on Linux, short of spending large cash? Doing it myself (especially with OpenLDAP) caused lesions in my brain last time. Think of the children!
Seriously, though, eBox (and by extension, Ubuntu Server 8.10) looks slick for the market it was designed for.
Meh. Journals became useless a few years ago ... about the time I stopped posting sex stories on mine. Coincidence? My naricissism says "No." ')
Hmmm. Doesn't sound like such a great deal for MS to me. Due to the requirement for unbundling, the OEM gets slash its support department, declaring "We only do support for hardware now." MS has to sell the OS and support it, driving up the cost (or, more likely, driving down the massive MS profits) and giving us a good idea of what the OS should really cost. With the real cost in hand, the consumer can choose to pay Sun, Canonical, MS, or whoever for the OS and support. Every other OS maker has to absorb the cost of non-community support. Why shouldn't MS?
If Dell and others bought the rights to the source code and for redistribution, then the Windows market (while still totalling 95% or more of desktops) would be shattered into a competitive market again, driving the cost of the OS down and creating pressure for increased security, among other things. I don't see that as bad. Microsoft would be the big loser in the situation, though, so I don't ever see it happening.
Oddly, I use Ubuntu, but not for any of the reasons mentioned. Easy isn't all that important to me because I've been on Linux for about ten years now, since long before it was anything you'd call easy. I use it because I have three people who've wanted to switch over to Linux, and I'm supporting them while they do. I gave them Ubuntu because of its ease and popularity, and I use it so that I'm familiar with it when they ask questions.
Since Cedega will be packaged with Mandriva, I would love to see a Steam-type application involved. Buy the game, download, and install (with hacks) under Cedega all on-line. If game installation were that easy, more people would do it. Mandriva would benefit from the increased user base, too. They desperately need it.
He should talk to the guys over at LTSP. They've been doing POS setups for probably eight years now, using thin clients. Local printers. Local barcode readers. The software. They've got it all.
Take some old, small form factor PIIs and any modern server and you're in.
I use Ubuntu, too. Sorry to break it to you, but Tomboy Notes is a Mono app, included by default in Ubuntu 7.10.
No. That's not what I meant. Geeks who use Linux should understand the trends and standards for it, whether they choose to follow those standards or not. Desktop users should understand desktop standards. You chose not to use them. Great. The original poster claimed ten years' experience in Linux without know what the default launcher for 90% of Linux / BSD desktops looks like. Know your system.
By the way, are you stalking me? You've replied to three or four of my posts in the last two days.
You're. I guess I stated that poorly. It never became illegal. They had six months of legailty AND support before they were forced to upgrade or run an EOLed OS.
Just because you don't personally use them, doesn't mean you need to revel in ignorance of a Linux desktop standard.
Interesting that you mention that. Do you know the story behind Thailand's flip-flop on FLOSS? They were all ready to convert a couple of years ago, then MS came in to the education department and "offered" to give them blanket licenses to cover all their pirated ones. The license was Windows 98 ... six months before they EOLed it. I'm sure glad Thailand sold its soul for that six months of legality.
Is your version of Linux and actual Desktop machine? Is it one of the ones which tries to follow Freedesktop.org's guidelines? I ask because I have 2176 .desktop files, mostly in /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications. They are application launchers.The .desktop standard is on the Freedesktop.org wiki.
Ten years is a long time to go without running into a .desktop file, considering KDE has been using them for as long as I can remember.
Tell that to George Harrison. Most people don't even believe that he knew he was infringing on the song. Most people believe that the impetus for the song becoming famous was Harrison and not the similar opening riff. The plaintiff still got 70% of the single proceeds and 50% of the entire album's proceeds. Wow.
Fuck off? Maybe not.
Actually, off the Gnome system monitor, but basically the same thing. I'm not going to do a full memory profile for something this simple. The memory usage may actually be lower when counting shares libs, but that only supports my original point.
- Epiphany (8 tabs) 80MB
- Deskbar 24MB
- Nautilus 16MB
- Rhythmbox (playing) 15MB
- Tomboy (50+ notes) 14MB
- Ekiga 10MB
My panels are stuffed to the gills, I've been running all day, and I'm still only using 309MB of memory. I'd call that really good for requirements on modern hardware. We can talk later about what happens when I open OO.o, but that's not a Gnome app.If you use Gnome, you'd do well to try Epiphany. Firefox doesn't follow any of the Gnome conventions: it looks completely out of place in a Gnome desktop. The GUI for Epiphany is much more responsive and I get to tag my bookmarks. There's also the little gem of writing your own quick searches as easily as adding a bookmark. You like Firefox. Go ahead. Gnome users who try to stick with Gnome apps for a consistent look and feel should be on Epiphany, though.
You are so right. The code is a mess. Everyone complains about it. The fact that there are very few contributors outside paid staff is also well known. There is some work on cleaning it up, but not nearly enough. Once the code is clean and modular, there will be many more contributors and much more advancement.
It was kind of my point that everyone does it and has been doing it for a long time. Seems like a non-story to me. Was anyone surprised that this product appeared on the market?
Chip makers have been doing this for so long I can't actually remember when it started. Now it's cores, but it used to be cache. The chip doesn't pass QA, gets downclocked or rebranded for less cache and sold to the economy sector. Not earth-shattering news.
I was mainly comlaining about instancing and repetitive quests, but I'll address the point you bring up/ What's the difference between new shards and new areas of a single map? Be a pioneer. Even the old areas aren't completely stable, though. Whenever there's someone in power, there's someone who wants to take him/her out of power.
I don't know. You see someone as "the most powerful player" while I want to see someone move out of adventuring and into politics. Rule an entire area. Get assassinated. Or be the assassin. Something. Anything but lame quests that mean nothing to the world at all. Heck, I'd prefer to be the storekeeper than going out on some made-up quest that's obviously fake. Let the people in power set the quests and offer the rewards based on what they want to accomplish.
I guess I've always been into the role-playing aspect of RPGs. MMORPGs don't seem to supply that at all. You can't get into your role. You can't become someone. You can't make a difference in the world. That kind of sucks, doesn't it?
Why can't you use the populace to help you create content (similar to Second Life, I guess)? The town gets too crowded and people want to leave because htere's no opportunity. Some of them take their money, hike six hours to a completely new area, and build their own town. Once they have that, people might start coming to raid the area, and the original founders might become wealthy and powerful. Or they might starve to death, leaving a ghost town which gets overrun by orcs. Hmmm. Seems interesting to me.
I made a comment similar to this, probably last year, on another Slashdot story. I find the description of EVE interesting, especially when talking about rising to power then trying to protect yourself and surround yourself with trustworthy people.
I don't play MMORPGs, but I might if I felt like I had a real chance to make changes in the world. Some battle between wizard players creates an area which is uninhabitable. The economy is real. People can build towns. Give me random natural disasters like earthquakes or hurricanes to wipe out large cities. I'd even like it if death were real (in the normal, RPG sense of the word) in the game: Now THAT would make you think about how to protect the character you'd just invested 100 hours in. If there were more "realism" (yes, I understand the contradiction there), I would be more likely to play.