What I'm trying to say is, they (MS) gave up on it. Years ago. Vista was released in 2006, so by then, at least, it was clear to Microsoft that the browser-based update system was more trouble than it was worth. If you insist on continuing to use XP, then you ought to stop complaining about things that even Microsoft admits were bad ideas.
Personally, I don't run Windows auto-update anymore since Microsoft started to install unwanted Firefox add-ons that way. Instead, I rely exclusively on WSUS Offline Update, so far with good results.
Meanwhile, the rest of us moved on to versions of Windows that don't use browser-based update systems at all.
I don't know whether you're right or not, but I can confirm that farmers (I practically grew up on my grandfather's dairy farm) do indeed purchase new seed every year. As far as I know my grandfather never used Monsanto seed, but they ALWAYS used new seed every year. I can't even imagine how they'd go about storing corn kernels to plant the next year... the corn is harvested by a chopper and fed to cows.
I guess what I'm saying is that your argument has merit, and I'm willing to believe it.
Which, of course, makes Windows Web Server 2008 R2 quite unusable as a platform to run typical databases on, because normally you will want to access the database from other machines too, especially if there is customer data. Since the workgroup editions can't be used for web, you're then looking at the pricey Standard Edition. Plus the database software, of course.
So use MySQL on Linux as your database. Noone said you were tied to MSSQL. There's also nothing in there that says the database used by your web application must be hosted on the same machine (or even operating system) as your website.
I'm happy to see that they've greatly relaxed the rules. Server 2003 Web wouldn't run even the "express" versions of MSSQL. You were forced to run a separate machine for your database (which I'd do regardless, since it's horrible practice to run your database on your webserver).
Web Server 2008 R2 is severely limited. You have to run your database under the same OS instance as the web server, for example, and you are not allowed to access that database from any other machine.
I think what you mean is that you CANNOT run your database under the same OS instance. You can't install any MSSQL version on a "web" edition of Windows Server.
Makes sense... the "web" edition is pretty much for running IIS. That's why it's cheap.
So, you have a CAL for everyone that is going to connect to IIS?
You only need CALs if the users are authenticating as Windows users, i.e. to an AD server. That would be an EXTREMELY rare setup for a website, except maybe some sort of intranet, in which case, you would already have a CAL for the user.
Being an atheist doesn't mean you don't care; that's being an agnostic. Atheism is the active belief that there is no god, just as "religion" (more accurately, theism) is a belief that there is at least one god.
It's probably just as much a religion as theism, it's just a religion without a deity. If you "don't give a shit" then you're agnostic, and that's probably NOT a religion.
What he's saying here is that it's a failure of NCSI that the configuration must be directly edited in the registry. Now, how a service would provide a GUI for manipulating configuration is a whole other thing...
How do you figure? The very first one on the list (at $260 plus $20 shipping) is the Samsung 2443BWT-TAA-1 which is 1920x1200. The second is the HP LA2405wg which is also 1920x1200 and is $290 plus $9 shipping.
If 1920x1200 isn't enough for you, then $680 plus $30 shipping gets you the DoubleSight DS-275W which is 2560x1440. If you want the new (not open box) you have to pay $840 plus $15 for it. We're still under $1k here.
Goods and services have to be delivered at some point. Unless you can fit AK-47 rifles through your series of tubes, that is. Or, maybe what we're talking about here is the next version of the RepRap that will print out cocaine?
Maybe you're right, and maybe it's not. I, for one, will not be handing all my data over to Google and paying a $20/month subscription to find out. You're welcome to, however, and hopefully you share your experiences with the rest of us.
Bitcoin is a P2P currency that could topple governments, destabilize economies and create uncontrollable global bazaars for contraband.
I don't want to rain on the guy's parade (or do I?), but governments don't combat "uncontrollable... bazaars for contraband" by eliminating the currency used in said bazaars, they do it by sending heavily-armed soldiers to break up the party.
So, I don't understand your experience. Maybe you are using a "bootleg" Windows? I sure don't. Mine is 100% legitimate. Because the BSA can audit us any time.
Nope. I stopped doing the copyright violation thing roughly a decade back. I don't even download "free" music anymore. I guess I just grew up.
On to repositories. Fedora repositories include:
adobe dropbox google google-chrome skype virtualbox
(and, I imagine, more -- these are the "third party" application repositories I use).
And all of these tools have built-in autoupdate on Widows, so I don't see the disadvantage.
As to "reverse engineering" NTFS -- as long as you use Windows, it's not needed. Sure, why the hell would you? It's not like you would need reliable data recovery tools, or ever need to repair a filesystem for someone. After all, everyone does backups. (sarcasm ends)
If you're doing bit-level manipulations on a physical disk for someone to recover data, then you're way above my level. If someone didn't do a backup, then obviously their data wasn't valuable. If that's not good enough, there are resources available out there that are much more capable than I am, even if they are exorbitantly prices.
You need to reboot win7 for a lot more than just kernel changes.
Such as?
Just because "lame-o installer kit x" has a window at the end of the wizard saying you need to reboot your system, doesn't make it so. It's basically never true.
To be fair, I actually was asking whether you'd get a command shell at all. Regardless, however, it's clear that Sergey is defining torture as "anything you do in Windows but not in ChromeOS," which means my point is still valid. It's a marketing exercise. Apple, as well, likes to paint the Windows experience as torture. That's the essence of marketing.
I don't even get that. I just touch a key (I have my machine sleep instead of shutting down) log in, and see that Windows restarted itself overnight. Oh. Must've installed updates.
Good plan. You could call them, maybe, "guests", "users", "power users", and "administrators", just to get the corporate tools on board. I think it could work.
Never need to run defrag (sure it's scheduled now, but still a pain in the ass to wait on an unresponsive pc)
The last time I explicitly ran a defrag was somewhere in the Windows 2000 timeframe.
No updates for AV/AntiSpyware
Yeah, same here. Don't install viruses, don't need to update any AV.
You can choose to update all vulnerable applications with one command. Good luck getting Windows Update to patch 3rd party apps. That's your job on Windows.
And it's not on Linux? Only when you limit yourself to the "distro-specific app store, a.k.a. apt" do you get system-wide updates. Just like I do if I limit myself to MS software. I choose not to.
I can let non computer people use my Linux computer without any popups or spyware when I get it back.
Me too. I don't let my wife log into my machine as an admin, and I don't either.
I can upgrade or remove hardware without any painful activation garbage.
Me too. I've never, EVER reactivated Windows. I swapped a motherboard once, from an AMD to Intel processor. Only things that didn't change was the hard drive and the video card, and I didn't need to reactivate. It just booted normally.
My filesystems are an open published standard. Good luck with reverse engineering M$ garbage.
Why would I need to reverse engineer NTFS? I don't see a need for that.
I can audit the code and make updates myself. Yes I am a programmer.
Yeah, but do you? Even if you do, you're in a miniscule minority.
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What I'm trying to say is, they (MS) gave up on it. Years ago. Vista was released in 2006, so by then, at least, it was clear to Microsoft that the browser-based update system was more trouble than it was worth. If you insist on continuing to use XP, then you ought to stop complaining about things that even Microsoft admits were bad ideas.
Personally, I don't run Windows auto-update anymore since Microsoft started to install unwanted Firefox add-ons that way. Instead, I rely exclusively on WSUS Offline Update, so far with good results.
Meanwhile, the rest of us moved on to versions of Windows that don't use browser-based update systems at all.
I don't know whether you're right or not, but I can confirm that farmers (I practically grew up on my grandfather's dairy farm) do indeed purchase new seed every year. As far as I know my grandfather never used Monsanto seed, but they ALWAYS used new seed every year. I can't even imagine how they'd go about storing corn kernels to plant the next year... the corn is harvested by a chopper and fed to cows.
I guess what I'm saying is that your argument has merit, and I'm willing to believe it.
Which, of course, makes Windows Web Server 2008 R2 quite unusable as a platform to run typical databases on, because normally you will want to access the database from other machines too, especially if there is customer data. Since the workgroup editions can't be used for web, you're then looking at the pricey Standard Edition.
Plus the database software, of course.
So use MySQL on Linux as your database. Noone said you were tied to MSSQL. There's also nothing in there that says the database used by your web application must be hosted on the same machine (or even operating system) as your website.
I'm happy to see that they've greatly relaxed the rules. Server 2003 Web wouldn't run even the "express" versions of MSSQL. You were forced to run a separate machine for your database (which I'd do regardless, since it's horrible practice to run your database on your webserver).
Web Server 2008 R2 is severely limited. You have to run your database under the same OS instance as the web server, for example, and you are not allowed to access that database from any other machine.
I think what you mean is that you CANNOT run your database under the same OS instance. You can't install any MSSQL version on a "web" edition of Windows Server.
Makes sense... the "web" edition is pretty much for running IIS. That's why it's cheap.
So, you have a CAL for everyone that is going to connect to IIS?
You only need CALs if the users are authenticating as Windows users, i.e. to an AD server. That would be an EXTREMELY rare setup for a website, except maybe some sort of intranet, in which case, you would already have a CAL for the user.
I don't see how "I believe there is no deity" is any different than "I do not believe there is a deity". Both are atheistic. Neither is agnostic.
Being an atheist doesn't mean you don't care; that's being an agnostic. Atheism is the active belief that there is no god, just as "religion" (more accurately, theism) is a belief that there is at least one god.
It's probably just as much a religion as theism, it's just a religion without a deity. If you "don't give a shit" then you're agnostic, and that's probably NOT a religion.
The wonders of progress :)
What he's saying here is that it's a failure of NCSI that the configuration must be directly edited in the registry. Now, how a service would provide a GUI for manipulating configuration is a whole other thing...
How do you figure? The very first one on the list (at $260 plus $20 shipping) is the Samsung 2443BWT-TAA-1 which is 1920x1200. The second is the HP LA2405wg which is also 1920x1200 and is $290 plus $9 shipping.
If 1920x1200 isn't enough for you, then $680 plus $30 shipping gets you the DoubleSight DS-275W which is 2560x1440. If you want the new (not open box) you have to pay $840 plus $15 for it. We're still under $1k here.
Are you seeing a different list than I am?
Looks like they start at about $260, plus shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&Subcategory=20&Description=&Type=&N=100007617&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&PropertyCodeValue=1099%3A9240&PropertyCodeValue=1099%3A9242&PropertyCodeValue=1099%3A57803&PropertyCodeValue=1099%3A9238&PropertyCodeValue=1099%3A25153
Goods and services have to be delivered at some point. Unless you can fit AK-47 rifles through your series of tubes, that is. Or, maybe what we're talking about here is the next version of the RepRap that will print out cocaine?
Maybe you're right, and maybe it's not. I, for one, will not be handing all my data over to Google and paying a $20/month subscription to find out. You're welcome to, however, and hopefully you share your experiences with the rest of us.
Bitcoin is a P2P currency that could topple governments, destabilize economies and create uncontrollable global bazaars for contraband.
I don't want to rain on the guy's parade (or do I?), but governments don't combat "uncontrollable... bazaars for contraband" by eliminating the currency used in said bazaars, they do it by sending heavily-armed soldiers to break up the party.
Having "the internet" doesn't prevent it from being a walled garden, but ONLY having "the internet" somehow does?
So, I don't understand your experience. Maybe you are using a "bootleg" Windows? I sure don't. Mine is 100% legitimate. Because the BSA can audit us any time.
Nope. I stopped doing the copyright violation thing roughly a decade back. I don't even download "free" music anymore. I guess I just grew up.
On to repositories. Fedora repositories include:
adobe
dropbox
google
google-chrome
skype
virtualbox
(and, I imagine, more -- these are the "third party" application repositories I use).
And all of these tools have built-in autoupdate on Widows, so I don't see the disadvantage.
As to "reverse engineering" NTFS -- as long as you use Windows, it's not needed. Sure, why the hell would you? It's not like you would need reliable data recovery tools, or ever need to repair a filesystem for someone. After all, everyone does backups. (sarcasm ends)
If you're doing bit-level manipulations on a physical disk for someone to recover data, then you're way above my level. If someone didn't do a backup, then obviously their data wasn't valuable. If that's not good enough, there are resources available out there that are much more capable than I am, even if they are exorbitantly prices.
Shrug; I hardly used suspend on my desktop back when I had it working (no idea whether it still works).
Fair enough, but in a business environment, sleeping several thousand machines every night can lead to real cost savings.
Just curious what sort of walled garden is "the internet"?
Are you going to argue that iOS isn't a walled garden just because it has a browser?
You need to reboot win7 for a lot more than just kernel changes.
Such as?
Just because "lame-o installer kit x" has a window at the end of the wizard saying you need to reboot your system, doesn't make it so. It's basically never true.
To be fair, I actually was asking whether you'd get a command shell at all. Regardless, however, it's clear that Sergey is defining torture as "anything you do in Windows but not in ChromeOS," which means my point is still valid. It's a marketing exercise. Apple, as well, likes to paint the Windows experience as torture. That's the essence of marketing.
I don't even get that. I just touch a key (I have my machine sleep instead of shutting down) log in, and see that Windows restarted itself overnight. Oh. Must've installed updates.
Good plan. You could call them, maybe, "guests", "users", "power users", and "administrators", just to get the corporate tools on board. I think it could work.
You started off so well with "no need to defrag", but you list quickly went downhill.
Even that wasn't that great. When was the last time you actually manually defragmented your filesystem manually? I know I haven't in nearly a decade.
Never need to run defrag (sure it's scheduled now, but still a pain in the ass to wait on an unresponsive pc)
The last time I explicitly ran a defrag was somewhere in the Windows 2000 timeframe.
No updates for AV/AntiSpyware
Yeah, same here. Don't install viruses, don't need to update any AV.
You can choose to update all vulnerable applications with one command. Good luck getting Windows Update to patch 3rd party apps. That's your job on Windows.
And it's not on Linux? Only when you limit yourself to the "distro-specific app store, a.k.a. apt" do you get system-wide updates. Just like I do if I limit myself to MS software. I choose not to.
I can let non computer people use my Linux computer without any popups or spyware when I get it back.
Me too. I don't let my wife log into my machine as an admin, and I don't either.
I can upgrade or remove hardware without any painful activation garbage.
Me too. I've never, EVER reactivated Windows. I swapped a motherboard once, from an AMD to Intel processor. Only things that didn't change was the hard drive and the video card, and I didn't need to reactivate. It just booted normally.
My filesystems are an open published standard. Good luck with reverse engineering M$ garbage.
Why would I need to reverse engineer NTFS? I don't see a need for that.
I can audit the code and make updates myself. Yes I am a programmer.
Yeah, but do you? Even if you do, you're in a miniscule minority.