What does "Abort, Retry, Fail" mean anyway? I remember seeing such a prompt back in the times when I was Using DOS (4.x through 6.0 after which I discovered the alternatives). I have never ever before or since seen anything so unintuitive. Please do not adopt this. In stead use words like "Stop now" and "Ignore error". There's no need to copy bad behavior just because people are used to this kind of bad behavior.
You can get away with clicking "Next" a bunch of times and have Mandrake install itself with all the default settings. That is indeed very easy. I guess it's much the same for SuSE. Setting up an FTP and HTTP (for example) server is more complicated. The many choices should never be removed from these services. Removing choice was never the same thing as increasing ease of use or quality or a product. If you want to use your Linux box as a workstation you can ignore the many choices involved in setting up all of these products and go right ahead with your preferred office suite (oh no, preferred as opposed to only! there's yet another choice, i guess Linux will never appeal to the normal user).
Last i checked QNX could fit on a single floppy disk and featured a nice clean GUI and a web browser! There's not need for any software to take up more space!
No way. We use Office and are satisified with it.
10.80%
No way. We aren't satisified with Office, but we're in too deep to cut ties.
6.61%
We would at least evaluate an open source alternative.
28.74%
We would consider installing an alternative suite on a select few desktops.
14.44%
We would consider a wholesale replacement of Office.
39.41%
I couldn't help but notice the lack of "our company have already chosen an alternative to the skyhigh prices after the release of XP (Windows and Office). I guess that wouldn't get a very high score, but at least it applies to the company I work for.
Actually in the future the computer will scan your face and biological status and read your mind based on millions of tiny clues. All you'll have to do is sit there with a vague disinterested loook on your face and the computer will magically do stuff based on all those clues.
It not be that far fetched after all... anyway a UC San Diego team has done some research into this...
hmmm... there was great need for the phantom edit. Let's see what odd
characters George Lucas felt compelled to introduce to the sequel. Hopefully there won't be a need
for a version 1.1 this time.
with this kind of movie there's a better chance that a lot of geeks will go and see it... movie makers figure better earnings off this, not that they've had a lot of luck just because it was a geekish movie (D&D the movie for instance)...
I don't know why, possibly it's the lack of web portal-ness of google, but very few non-geeks I know use google. They alle stick to the local Yahoo clone.
I may be missing something, but I really can't see the reason why... could anyone enlighten me, is there something geekish about google? Or is it just me thinking that non-geeks want to use more bloated and less efficient solutions than geeks?
As far as I can see all your problems stem from the fact that you are using the javaw.exe to run your (non-managed) app as opposed to using some native code and running a native app. Using your own app would give you control over which.dlls are linked to your app and which.dlls aren't...
Alternatively you could manually load the library you wish to use a function in and call that very function. To that end you would need to call LoadLibrary() and GetProcAddress() in windows or dlopen() and dlsym() from libdl.so. I realize that this is native code, but that is often what it takes to achieve the results you want, and that is the reason why I would not choose Java for my game project.
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here is a nice list of changes from version 1.2 to 2.0.
oh, one more benefit of java - since each class is compiled into it's own.class file, it's potentially easier to upgrade a few classes. With C, you'd need to relink, or create a new.so, or deal with dll hell.
That's not really an issue unless you want to make it an issue... If you are going to replace parts of your application let those parts be dynamically linked. There is no such thing as a "dll hell". All.dll's are loaded from your current working directory, your path, and the windows system directory, in that order. So, if you want to make sure the correct dll is loaded, keep a copy of it it in your app directory. If you can't handle having.so or.dll files, how can you handle having multiple.class files? It's essentially the same thing.
But you don't! Instead, you either have a Java one or a C++ one. You don't get to chose. It's the people developing the games that make the choice.
I do get to choose. I simply to not buy/use the slow programs and find faster alternatives.
2. There is a 65% increase in productivity.
All my code base and all the libraries I use and are accusomed to are C++ libraries. If I have to learn to use a new library and throw away my existing C++ code base almost entirely, how does that improve my productivity by 65% ?
For these games, the decrease in speed is not important, but the amount of money spent on the project is.
So, the conclusion is basically that Java is ok for small applications, wether games or otherwise, but for anything larger in scale the language/environment of choice should still be something else (C++ for instance).
The best case is that MS has realised the strength of OSS and is using it to build better software. If MS "embraces and extends" the open source way of developing software we will see much better products comming from MS in the time to come... alas, it seems that Rotor will never actually be used for anything outside windows as it does not include ASP.NET , ADO.NET or Windows Forms.
Most likely this is yet another attempt to make us waste our money and time while MS thinks up their next idea...
But 'till we actually see a license agreement from MS, it's hard to know what they have in mind with Rotor.
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What does "Abort, Retry, Fail" mean anyway? I remember seeing such a prompt back in the times when I was Using DOS (4.x through 6.0 after which I discovered the alternatives). I have never ever before or since seen anything so unintuitive. Please do not adopt this. In stead use words like "Stop now" and "Ignore error". There's no need to copy bad behavior just because people are used to this kind of bad behavior.
You can get away with clicking "Next" a bunch of times and have Mandrake install itself with all the default settings. That is indeed very easy. I guess it's much the same for SuSE. Setting up an FTP and HTTP (for example) server is more complicated. The many choices should never be removed from these services. Removing choice was never the same thing as increasing ease of use or quality or a product. If you want to use your Linux box as a workstation you can ignore the many choices involved in setting up all of these products and go right ahead with your preferred office suite (oh no, preferred as opposed to only! there's yet another choice, i guess Linux will never appeal to the normal user).
Last i checked QNX could fit on a single floppy disk and featured a nice clean GUI and a web browser! There's not need for any software to take up more space!
(It's a joke. Laugh.)
At this point, this is how it looks:
No way. We use Office and are satisified with it.
10.80%
No way. We aren't satisified with Office, but we're in too deep to cut ties.
6.61%
We would at least evaluate an open source alternative.
28.74%
We would consider installing an alternative suite on a select few desktops.
14.44%
We would consider a wholesale replacement of Office.
39.41%
I couldn't help but notice the lack of "our company have already chosen an alternative to the skyhigh prices after the release of XP (Windows and Office). I guess that wouldn't get a very high score, but at least it applies to the company I work for.
Actually in the future the computer will scan your face and biological status and read your mind based on millions of tiny clues. All you'll have to do is sit there with a vague disinterested loook on your face and the computer will magically do stuff based on all those clues.
It not be that far fetched after all... anyway a UC San Diego team has done some research into this...
hmmm... there was great need for the phantom edit. Let's see what odd characters George Lucas felt compelled to introduce to the sequel. Hopefully there won't be a need for a version 1.1 this time.
with this kind of movie there's a better chance that a lot of geeks will go and see it... movie makers figure better earnings off this, not that they've had a lot of luck just because it was a geekish movie (D&D the movie for instance)...
now if only I could see the site... (argle! /. effect)
I don't know why, possibly it's the lack of web portal-ness of google, but very few non-geeks I know use google. They alle stick to the local Yahoo clone.
I may be missing something, but I really can't see the reason why... could anyone enlighten me, is there something geekish about google? Or is it just me thinking that non-geeks want to use more bloated and less efficient solutions than geeks?
As far as I can see all your problems stem from the fact that you are using the javaw.exe to run your (non-managed) app as opposed to using some native code and running a native app. Using your own app would give you control over which .dlls are linked to your app and which .dlls aren't...
Alternatively you could manually load the library you wish to use a function in and call that very function. To that end you would need to call LoadLibrary() and GetProcAddress() in windows or dlopen() and dlsym() from libdl.so. I realize that this is native code, but that is often what it takes to achieve the results you want, and that is the reason why I would not choose Java for my game project.
here is a nice list of changes from version 1.2 to 2.0.
Of course there is.
What do you do if some application already sucked in version 1 of a dll, while another application needs (the incompatible) version 2 of that dll?
You put the dll in the same directory as the app that needs that version of the dll, that will solve your problem. Read my original post.
the old Larry Laffer games came with a boss button, play those in stead. That should give you many hours of fun while working :)
oh, one more benefit of java - since each class is compiled into it's own .class file, it's potentially easier to upgrade a few classes. With C, you'd need to relink, or create a new .so, or deal with dll hell.
That's not really an issue unless you want to make it an issue... If you are going to replace parts of your application let those parts be dynamically linked. There is no such thing as a "dll hell". All .dll's are loaded from your current working directory, your path, and the windows system directory, in that order. So, if you want to make sure the correct dll is loaded, keep a copy of it it in your app directory. If you can't handle having .so or .dll files, how can you handle having multiple .class files? It's essentially the same thing.
But you don't! Instead, you either have a Java one or a C++ one. You don't get to chose. It's the people developing the games that make the choice.
I do get to choose. I simply to not buy/use the slow programs and find faster alternatives.
2. There is a 65% increase in productivity.
All my code base and all the libraries I use and are accusomed to are C++ libraries. If I have to learn to use a new library and throw away my existing C++ code base almost entirely, how does that improve my productivity by 65% ?
For these games, the decrease in speed is not important, but the amount of money spent on the project is.
So, the conclusion is basically that Java is ok for small applications, wether games or otherwise, but for anything larger in scale the language/environment of choice should still be something else (C++ for instance).
The best case is that MS has realised the strength of OSS and is using it to build better software. If MS "embraces and extends" the open source way of developing software we will see much better products comming from MS in the time to come... alas, it seems that Rotor will never actually be used for anything outside windows as it does not include ASP.NET , ADO.NET or Windows Forms.
Most likely this is yet another attempt to make us waste our money and time while MS thinks up their next idea...
But 'till we actually see a license agreement from MS, it's hard to know what they have in mind with Rotor.
and telling us that DNA = Distributed interNet Applications and != deoxyribonucleic acid...
of cause MS knows better than the Hunam Genome Program...
I have mirrored the tarball here.