I feel exactly that way about Elon Musk. I don't care about his defects shown so far. They are absolutely expected. I'd buy his company stock in small amounts just to stand where I speak. And if any goes bankrupt, I'd gladly share the weight of what I put. But to try to make him step down, feels like s*****d Apple when they fired Jobs for a "stable proven guy"...nothing got invented. Actually, Apple is still riding Jobs' waves and has done very little if nothing to invent anything that will change how we live or work, otehr than what was already started.
Like...the New York Times? The only way to ensure that ever response relates to what was originally written, is exactly that. Which is why Slashdot ASKS....VERY TIME...to review what you've written and make sure that it says what you want to say. Slashdot is like spoken word. You cannot go back in time and change your words. It's like speech. Those that don't get it, either never reflected on it, or fail the implications of changing your speech after the fact. It is also why newspapers actually correct only very minor error and provide a log of changes / errata in every single article with changes. In here, doing that would require editorial review, and since it's user opinions, that's why you can't edit.
I've read slashdot since 1999 or so. Mod system is broken. I wish slashdot could evolve to be a protocol more than "a site" and also, that they'd draw some ideas to evolve the Slashdot ideals, which is about curation of nerdy discussions and so much needed in today's world where 99% of the content is a complete waste of time. It's also been ages since I was offered meta moderation. I am sure the Slashdot owners think they have lost to better tools. But it's not. They are just failing to know how to evolve something that is needed much more today, than it ever was yesterday.
Well, I started using pho v1 in 1999, and saw it evolve to v4 with a huge number of functions. PHP was the language where you âoecould do itâ. I also used the first version of MySQL and many subsequent. Your question is akin to asking if you should learn another language if you are native French speaker. Iâ(TM)d say bring a polÃglotos fine but not everybody has the bandwidth and memory to sustain many at a good level of proficiency. So you better focus on what kind of work you like, then youâ(TM)ll have to learn some languages. You are mostly doing front end now, interfaces or light apps. If thatâ(TM)s what you want to do, learn JavaScript, node.js and all the relevant stuff (a huge mess of a lot other things). But maybe you like IoT? Or ML? Ask that question and if you donâ(TM)t know the answer the...js and.NET. But again, youâ(TM)ll still be surrounded by the same average population:-)
Yes. I think AI is the wrong concept. It's not about intelligence but about wisdom. AW is a better term. Now, the reality is that the ultimate judge of wisdom is not another human. It's nature.
... little. Some cultures have their offsprints retain both their parents lastnames. Some others choose one parent, usually the father. Linus is the father of Linux. It's obvious GNU is the mother here, and wants her lastname attached as well. Actually, the DNA of a Linux system is so intermingled with GNU projects that even if Linux has some children with non GNU wives, and vice versa, we are talking about Linux, the one with GNU.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter, but it's good to note that the wife seduced Linus here, and made her have the children that have raised to fame, in large part due to the wife's traits.
Btw, my kids have both lastnames, and it's just so inconvenient for them. They have no doubts about how they came to be, the roles, but on the plus side, it's like having a tatoo, you never stop to bring to attention the fact that two different things combined to make something unique, for some specific reason.
Totally wrong because by that means best place may be the moon, but electricity distribution is really expensive, and storage even more. We are not all in the poles and we usually sleep 8 hours.
I think the "real world" has become one of many threads or streams of "reality" that the digitally socially responsible person has to manage minute by minute. Once reality flows vastly more over digital streams, the old ways die. I think that in the Matrix, the Wachosky brothers got it wrong. It's not the machines forced us to the digital coffins. People volntarily chose the blue pill, as the virtual world became "reality". Also explains what there's growing lack of care by people of politics and improving the real world. It's one of many (you play the same Pockemon Go or post the same content to Slashdot regardless of how ugly the place around you is).
So what's you point? If a person has certain level of exposure (call it "great extended fun" or "excessive"...it doesn't matter) their chances of being depressed or wanting to kill themselves would be much higher.
Causation must be explored seriously People enjoying "great extended fun" should be warned
But more importantly, little has changed in the real world in the past 10 or 20 years. We drive cars, eat similar foods, go to same schools, have the same sports, etc. The thing that changed the most is... digital. And if you don't have children, you will miss the obvious fact that apps, movies and games have become a strong addition. It's obvious that the world around isn't "causing" them to want phones with amazing games, addictive content and social apps. And ultimately, correlation and causation are mingled to the point where the interactions and effects are chaotic in the sense that the interplay between them blurs. Today, it's hard to have friends and not have to interact on Facebook or WhatsApp, or play games and not play the same addictive games your friends play, to name one such. It's not a screen, reality has changed and has blured the real world with the virtual, in ways that make it impossible to separate the interactions.
Just like I had always believed it was extremely more obvious that "dark matter" was just regular matter in places we aren't looking for and can't see yet (and not the all misterious things that have waste huge resources of so many brilliant people) the same regarding this asymmetry. Of course, they are so embedded in the mathematics that they lose sight of the elegance of all there is. 20 years from now they will find the "asymmetry" isn't needed, and that it doesn't anihilate because it emanates directly from an obvious overlooked reason such as "They annihilate but so irregularly that there's always a net balance that doesn't "fizzle". Or that the expansion caused asymmetry in the distribution (not in the amount of matter/anti-matter), etc.
If the car is parked outdoor It will accumulate power. If you use it 2 hours per day you can be fine. You can alwsys plig it for long trips. But yeah, you need the expensive battery still
The "solution" is easy, but additional setup reduces adoption. When adoption is harmed by lack of safety they will rapidly address it to still be able to hear everything that happens in your car, home or wherever your phone is. In here, they will just make you add a voice fingerprint. Just like your thumbs have a unique pattern so does your use of voice. This way, they will block things like this injection, and they will also have a HUGE benefit: they can record and transcribe not just what was said ir heard, but also who said what. While there may be stronger and weaker implementations of voice fingerprinting, this is so the case with any other security mechanism. And very quikly Facebbok may have an edge, as these ID features become socialized: ej. You coukd create a fingerprint, and your friends may give you rights to do some functions while on their property. Say "open the door once", play music (if in a party). So this "authenticator" will be able to track a person's actions across ANYTHING that listens. Scary? It's kind if the same as in authenticating using Google for third party services, or giving apps (or friends) some rights. The only thing that can slow down adoption or challenge this scary future (too much power and an eye and hear following every person all the time) is when we start hearing actual cases of abuse of this power. At sone point the privacy issues will lead to the creation of new political parties, but in general you'll learn to live knowing anything you say or do will be recorded and proccessed in realtime for profit or power.
BK is only guilty of opportunism and accelerating voice fingerprinting for house-hold / consuner use.
Will to act? We are programmed to gather food, water, mating, etc. AI is programmed to not need anything. There are algorithms that set their own objectives too. If we turn them off, is akin to someone turning off "time and space". Surelly, you can't do anything about it. It's in our "metaphysics" realm, like it or not.
Short sighted. The critical route is that systems that can decide better than anybody else will be owned by a few large corps. The current economic system will make these corporations own 99% of all resources. You won't be able to outsmart this corporation in any way. They will anticipate most everything, economically, politically, legally, etc.
The fact that there is a lot of hype and hyperbole and plain lies does not undermine the fact that there are a huge spike in applications that seemed impossible 10 years ago.
And the current "learning systems" show huge potential and will change the world in less that 10 years "strong-AI-or-not". The fact that a computer can win pocker against the beat humans is a glimpse at a world where very strategic decisions with uncertainty and partial information will be mostly decided by computers. And a huge amount of tactical will be a computer's choice without any human intervention.
+5... I think when you grasp how current rudimentary """"weak AI"""" works, it becomes very clear that a """strong AI""" will be impossible to predict, anticipate, outguess or control.
An AI is data that can execute. It's impossible to contain it if really smart. It could leak by emitting sound, light, any kind of signal and escape to any ither place that can store and compute. Juat loke you can't "turn off" a worm o a well designed botnet...it's out there, and possibly everywhere
Well, what is our world is virtual like in matrix. But not so that we are baterries, but as a way to test that iteration of AI? Loke enforcing an AI to live the equivalent of 500 years in a sandbix world: only then it could be "promoted to the real world".
Stron AI is...what? In the past 10 years, we made huge progress in many key tasks only possible by humans. The human brain has 100 billion neurons with around 1k-10k connections each. We may very well be on the verge of what seems like true intelligence. Or rather, as we progress, we reallize how little intelligence is required to do things that previously was thought to require intelligence and intuition. Like playing Go, or Poker. We might just be a huge statistical machine in the end
You have no clue how this AI or SI will be programmed. We don't even know the mathematical properties of current Reinforcement Learning approaches that use policies and value nets with function approximation, and we have little clue of even why they work at all- and you cannot imagine that maybe, or most likely, we'll not be able to "program" much here, and they will have a mind of their own. And it will be much less difficult to enfoce thatno single soal releases a cersion that is not Limited by whatever means -free to do as it lokes.
You think of AI as "code" but a large part of intelligence is reacting to huge wealth of data - and the inside is very cryptic- just like what happens in an individual brain. A huge deal of it is massively recursive and non linear.
Why would people "hate" it? It's largely irrelevant, puts electromagnetism in your wrist 24/7, requires one more thing to charge, looks "funny" to me, and I have never desired it, even if FREE. However, I reslly like my iPhone (an Android would be ok too, but I like iOS better). It is extremely suspicious to see the maker of iWatch to be having to point out hiw it's a worldwide success: it's not at all. A good product? Maybe. No maker is losing sleep over it. They may fear Apple TV and iPod and iPad only. But the problem is not the iWatch, but the fact that Apple has not done anything or even tried to do anything with anough balls to question a bugget market. The last time I though Wow, was with the ipad 2 release. Since then, we have a billion form factors for iPhone and "lock in"..."ecosystem" prodcuts that want to draw a fee circles around their "captive market".
I am ready to leave Apple any moment another company pushes forward like Jobs did, bringing something that makes me reconsider how I achieve things.
Even simple thing like "Echo" are more innovative. Amazon serms to be innovating in many fronts even if they don't create huge new ideas, they try innovative things every month. Apple is just extrapolation of Jobs vision like a linear regression. When the market takes a turn, Apple will not be ready, and they certainly ain't leading it anymore.
I kind of agree here. Also, don't forget Apple's HUGE push for that limited yse "watch". They even had it as the ONLY BLACK FRIDAY PRODUCT in the entire Apple lineup. I am a bit embarrased that Apple has no more clue of what need next than the average person -just like before Steve signed back as CEO.
Me, I had the Monster 3D (first version) and it was the first 3D card to enable silk smooth FPS and 3D simulators. It was day and night and blew everything else out
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I feel exactly that way about Elon Musk. I don't care about his defects shown so far. They are absolutely expected. I'd buy his company stock in small amounts just to stand where I speak. And if any goes bankrupt, I'd gladly share the weight of what I put. But to try to make him step down, feels like s*****d Apple when they fired Jobs for a "stable proven guy"...nothing got invented. Actually, Apple is still riding Jobs' waves and has done very little if nothing to invent anything that will change how we live or work, otehr than what was already started.
Like...the New York Times? The only way to ensure that ever response relates to what was originally written, is exactly that. Which is why Slashdot ASKS ....VERY TIME...to review what you've written and make sure that it says what you want to say. Slashdot is like spoken word. You cannot go back in time and change your words. It's like speech. Those that don't get it, either never reflected on it, or fail the implications of changing your speech after the fact. It is also why newspapers actually correct only very minor error and provide a log of changes / errata in every single article with changes. In here, doing that would require editorial review, and since it's user opinions, that's why you can't edit.
I've read slashdot since 1999 or so. Mod system is broken. I wish slashdot could evolve to be a protocol more than "a site" and also, that they'd draw some ideas to evolve the Slashdot ideals, which is about curation of nerdy discussions and so much needed in today's world where 99% of the content is a complete waste of time. It's also been ages since I was offered meta moderation. I am sure the Slashdot owners think they have lost to better tools. But it's not. They are just failing to know how to evolve something that is needed much more today, than it ever was yesterday.
Well, I started using pho v1 in 1999, and saw it evolve to v4 with a huge number of functions. PHP was the language where you âoecould do itâ. I also used the first version of MySQL and many subsequent. Your question is akin to asking if you should learn another language if you are native French speaker. Iâ(TM)d say bring a polÃglotos fine but not everybody has the bandwidth and memory to sustain many at a good level of proficiency. So you better focus on what kind of work you like, then youâ(TM)ll have to learn some languages. You are mostly doing front end now, interfaces or light apps. If thatâ(TM)s what you want to do, learn JavaScript, node.js and all the relevant stuff (a huge mess of a lot other things). But maybe you like IoT? Or ML? Ask that question and if you donâ(TM)t know the answer the ...js and .NET. But again, youâ(TM)ll still be surrounded by the same average population :-)
Yes. I think AI is the wrong concept. It's not about intelligence but about wisdom. AW is a better term. Now, the reality is that the ultimate judge of wisdom is not another human. It's nature.
... little. Some cultures have their offsprints retain both their parents lastnames. Some others choose one parent, usually the father. Linus is the father of Linux. It's obvious GNU is the mother here, and wants her lastname attached as well. Actually, the DNA of a Linux system is so intermingled with GNU projects that even if Linux has some children with non GNU wives, and vice versa, we are talking about Linux, the one with GNU.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter, but it's good to note that the wife seduced Linus here, and made her have the children that have raised to fame, in large part due to the wife's traits.
Btw, my kids have both lastnames, and it's just so inconvenient for them. They have no doubts about how they came to be, the roles, but on the plus side, it's like having a tatoo, you never stop to bring to attention the fact that two different things combined to make something unique, for some specific reason.
Totally wrong because by that means best place may be the moon, but electricity distribution is really expensive, and storage even more. We are not all in the poles and we usually sleep 8 hours.
I think the "real world" has become one of many threads or streams of "reality" that the digitally socially responsible person has to manage minute by minute. Once reality flows vastly more over digital streams, the old ways die. I think that in the Matrix, the Wachosky brothers got it wrong. It's not the machines forced us to the digital coffins. People volntarily chose the blue pill, as the virtual world became "reality". Also explains what there's growing lack of care by people of politics and improving the real world. It's one of many (you play the same Pockemon Go or post the same content to Slashdot regardless of how ugly the place around you is).
So what's you point? If a person has certain level of exposure (call it "great extended fun" or "excessive"...it doesn't matter) their chances of being depressed or wanting to kill themselves would be much higher.
Causation must be explored seriously
People enjoying "great extended fun" should be warned
But more importantly, little has changed in the real world in the past 10 or 20 years. We drive cars, eat similar foods, go to same schools, have the same sports, etc. The thing that changed the most is ... digital. And if you don't have children, you will miss the obvious fact that apps, movies and games have become a strong addition. It's obvious that the world around isn't "causing" them to want phones with amazing games, addictive content and social apps. And ultimately, correlation and causation are mingled to the point where the interactions and effects are chaotic in the sense that the interplay between them blurs. Today, it's hard to have friends and not have to interact on Facebook or WhatsApp, or play games and not play the same addictive games your friends play, to name one such. It's not a screen, reality has changed and has blured the real world with the virtual, in ways that make it impossible to separate the interactions.
Just like I had always believed it was extremely more obvious that "dark matter" was just regular matter in places we aren't looking for and can't see yet (and not the all misterious things that have waste huge resources of so many brilliant people) the same regarding this asymmetry. Of course, they are so embedded in the mathematics that they lose sight of the elegance of all there is. 20 years from now they will find the "asymmetry" isn't needed, and that it doesn't anihilate because it emanates directly from an obvious overlooked reason such as "They annihilate but so irregularly that there's always a net balance that doesn't "fizzle". Or that the expansion caused asymmetry in the distribution (not in the amount of matter/anti-matter), etc.
If the car is parked outdoor It will accumulate power. If you use it 2 hours per day you can be fine. You can alwsys plig it for long trips. But yeah, you need the expensive battery still
The "solution" is easy, but additional setup reduces adoption. When adoption is harmed by lack of safety they will rapidly address it to still be able to hear everything that happens in your car, home or wherever your phone is. In here, they will just make you add a voice fingerprint. Just like your thumbs have a unique pattern so does your use of voice. This way, they will block things like this injection, and they will also have a HUGE benefit: they can record and transcribe not just what was said ir heard, but also who said what. While there may be stronger and weaker implementations of voice fingerprinting, this is so the case with any other security mechanism. And very quikly Facebbok may have an edge, as these ID features become socialized: ej. You coukd create a fingerprint, and your friends may give you rights to do some functions while on their property. Say "open the door once", play music (if in a party). So this "authenticator" will be able to track a person's actions across ANYTHING that listens. Scary? It's kind if the same as in authenticating using Google for third party services, or giving apps (or friends) some rights. The only thing that can slow down adoption or challenge this scary future (too much power and an eye and hear following every person all the time) is when we start hearing actual cases of abuse of this power. At sone point the privacy issues will lead to the creation of new political parties, but in general you'll learn to live knowing anything you say or do will be recorded and proccessed in realtime for profit or power.
BK is only guilty of opportunism and accelerating voice fingerprinting for house-hold / consuner use.
Will to act? We are programmed to gather food, water, mating, etc. AI is programmed to not need anything. There are algorithms that set their own objectives too. If we turn them off, is akin to someone turning off "time and space". Surelly, you can't do anything about it. It's in our "metaphysics" realm, like it or not.
Short sighted. The critical route is that systems that can decide better than anybody else will be owned by a few large corps. The current economic system will make these corporations own 99% of all resources. You won't be able to outsmart this corporation in any way. They will anticipate most everything, economically, politically, legally, etc.
The fact that there is a lot of hype and hyperbole and plain lies does not undermine the fact that there are a huge spike in applications that seemed impossible 10 years ago.
And the current "learning systems" show huge potential and will change the world in less that 10 years "strong-AI-or-not". The fact that a computer can win pocker against the beat humans is a glimpse at a world where very strategic decisions with uncertainty and partial information will be mostly decided by computers. And a huge amount of tactical will be a computer's choice without any human intervention.
+5 ... I think when you grasp how current rudimentary """"weak AI"""" works, it becomes very clear that a """strong AI""" will be impossible to predict, anticipate, outguess or control.
An AI is data that can execute. It's impossible to contain it if really smart. It could leak by emitting sound, light, any kind of signal and escape to any ither place that can store and compute. Juat loke you can't "turn off" a worm o a well designed botnet...it's out there, and possibly everywhere
Well, what is our world is virtual like in matrix. But not so that we are baterries, but as a way to test that iteration of AI? Loke enforcing an AI to live the equivalent of 500 years in a sandbix world: only then it could be "promoted to the real world".
Stron AI is ...what? In the past 10 years, we made huge progress in many key tasks only possible by humans. The human brain has 100 billion neurons with around 1k-10k connections each. We may very well be on the verge of what seems like true intelligence. Or rather, as we progress, we reallize how little intelligence is required to do things that previously was thought to require intelligence and intuition. Like playing Go, or Poker. We might just be a huge statistical machine in the end
You have no clue how this AI or SI will be programmed. We don't even know the mathematical properties of current Reinforcement Learning approaches that use policies and value nets with function approximation, and we have little clue of even why they work at all- and you cannot imagine that maybe, or most likely, we'll not be able to "program" much here, and they will have a mind of their own. And it will be much less difficult to enfoce thatno single soal releases a cersion that is not Limited by whatever means -free to do as it lokes.
You think of AI as "code" but a large part of intelligence is reacting to huge wealth of data - and the inside is very cryptic- just like what happens in an individual brain. A huge deal of it is massively recursive and non linear.
I too am really nit just disappointed, but ashamed of threads like this
Why would people "hate" it? It's largely irrelevant, puts electromagnetism in your wrist 24/7, requires one more thing to charge, looks "funny" to me, and I have never desired it, even if FREE. However, I reslly like my iPhone (an Android would be ok too, but I like iOS better). It is extremely suspicious to see the maker of iWatch to be having to point out hiw it's a worldwide success: it's not at all. A good product? Maybe. No maker is losing sleep over it. They may fear Apple TV and iPod and iPad only. But the problem is not the iWatch, but the fact that Apple has not done anything or even tried to do anything with anough balls to question a bugget market. The last time I though Wow, was with the ipad 2 release. Since then, we have a billion form factors for iPhone and "lock in" ..."ecosystem" prodcuts that want to draw a fee circles around their "captive market".
I am ready to leave Apple any moment another company pushes forward like Jobs did, bringing something that makes me reconsider how I achieve things.
Even simple thing like "Echo" are more innovative. Amazon serms to be innovating in many fronts even if they don't create huge new ideas, they try innovative things every month. Apple is just extrapolation of Jobs vision like a linear regression. When the market takes a turn, Apple will not be ready, and they certainly ain't leading it anymore.
I kind of agree here. Also, don't forget Apple's HUGE push for that limited yse "watch". They even had it as the ONLY BLACK FRIDAY PRODUCT in the entire Apple lineup. I am a bit embarrased that Apple has no more clue of what need next than the average person -just like before Steve signed back as CEO.
Me, I had the Monster 3D (first version) and it was the first 3D card to enable silk smooth FPS and 3D simulators. It was day and night and blew everything else out
You are missing a decade of neural net progress ib your mentions. That these platforms are crap is another story