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Popular Mechanics Defends Elon Musk -- While He Tweets About Fortnite (popularmechanics.com)

The November issue of Popular Mechanics includes a message from its editors that Elon Musk is "under attack," arguing that while some criticisms have merit, "much of it is myopic and small-brained, from sideline observers gleefully salivating at the opportunity to take him down a peg." But what have these stock analysts and pontificators done for humanity? Elon Musk is an engineer at heart, a tinkerer, a problem-solver -- the kind of person Popular Mechanics has always championed -- and the problems he's trying to solve are hard. Really hard. He could find better ways to spend his money, that's for sure. And yet there he is, trying to build gasless cars and build reusable rockets and build tunnels that make traffic go away. For all his faults and unpredictability, we need him out there doing that. We need people who have ideas. We need people who take risks.

We need people who try.

The magazine includes statements from 12 high-profile supporters, including investor Mark Cuban, who writes "When you invest in a company run by an entrepreneur like Elon, you are investing in the mindset and approach that an entrepreneur brings to the table as much as you are valuing the net present value of future cash flows. That is not typical for public companies that are overwhelmingly run by hired CEOs. My advice for Elon is simple: Be yourself. Be true to your mission. Respect your investors. Ignore your critics."

Meanwhile, in a Friday post on Twitter, Musk jokingly claimed that he'd purchased and then deleted the game of Fortnite, posting a doctored Marketwatch article quoting him as saying "I had to save these kids from eternal virginity."

"Had to been done," tweeted Musk, adding "ur welcome".

139 comments

  1. I fully agree by fferreres · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I feel exactly that way about Elon Musk. I don't care about his defects shown so far. They are absolutely expected. I'd buy his company stock in small amounts just to stand where I speak. And if any goes bankrupt, I'd gladly share the weight of what I put. But to try to make him step down, feels like s*****d Apple when they fired Jobs for a "stable proven guy"...nothing got invented. Actually, Apple is still riding Jobs' waves and has done very little if nothing to invent anything that will change how we live or work, otehr than what was already started.

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    1. Re:I fully agree by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Yup. We need people like Musk. He might need a better PR person though...

      Also happy to invest in Musk.

    2. Re:I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And it's not like he's wrong about Fortnite.

    3. Re:I fully agree by sittingnut · · Score: 0, Troll

      you associate, and even equate, steve jobs and apple, with "inventions"? lol.
      -
      musk and companies are indeed like jobs and his, lots of very creative hype to con people and governments in to buying mediocre products.

    4. Re:I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment on Apple is misrepresenting what happened. Jobs hired Sculley first of all. So he was already there anyway. And it's disputed Apple fired Jobs. That's what he said, but plenty of people who were there said otherwise. And lots of stuff got invented during Sculley's time there. He was no Jobs, and he was gone long before the iPod and subsequent products, but it was hardly a trainwreck. It got far worse after Sculley left. The next two did nothing and almost drove the company under.

    5. Re:I fully agree by DogDude · · Score: 0

      I don't care about his defects shown so far.

      He's a world class douche. He called some guy a pedophile. You shouldn't invest in his company or give him money.

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      I don't respond to AC's.
    6. Re:I fully agree by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If he makes good, innovative products for which there is a clear demand, and at some point manages to turn a profit, then I should be happy to invest in his companies and let him call other people whatever he wants. I'm not one of those douchebags who thinks just because someone is a public figure they are not allowed to have a temper, or a bad day. I'll take authenticity over carefully groomed but deeply fake media personae any time, even if the person in question is sometimes behaving like an authentic douche.

      With that said, all my money is in real estate...

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    7. Re:I fully agree by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My wife asked me the other day whether I thought Kanye West might not be right in his head. This is what I said to her: West is a talented, intelligent, driven individual who rose from comfortable but modest beginnings to astonishing levels of professional success. Life experience has not taught him to be humble, hasn't even shown him the need for it.

      There's a word for that, it's called "arrogance", but a lot of people who have it are really extremely capable people. Until fate gets around to humbling them, if it ever does, what reason would they ever have to doubt themselves? Naturally people like that sound a little unhinged; they're living in a different reality than you or me.

      I think Musk fits this mold. If a bus were to hit him tomorrow he'd go down in the history books as the most significant tech entrepreneur of our age; where as Bill Gates made a fortune catching the PC wave, Musk actually drove change in a way that Gates never did. Why wouldn't Musk believe he can do anything just through sheer force of will? If he weren't a bit of an egotist he'd never have tried any of the things he's known for.

      But his overblown reaction to the Thai cave rescue operation not needing him, personally, exposed Musk as, well, kind of a dick. But be honest: you'd probably be a dick too.

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    8. Re:I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care about his defects shown so far.

      -

      The above reveals that you have very serious personality flaws yourself.

      Any person who has their head screwed on right will find serious fault with Musk's behavior.

      The fact that you do not means you are a messed up little guy.

    9. Re:I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take authenticity over carefully groomed but deeply fake

      There is a THIRD choice available :

      People who are genuinely not assholes.

    10. Re:I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But his overblown reaction to the Thai cave rescue operation not needing him, personally, exposed Musk as, well, kind of a dick. But be honest: you'd probably be a dick too.

      -

      What makes you think you have the ability, never mind the right, to second-guess how others would have dealt with the situation ?

      This makes you appear to be either an idiot or an arrogant presumptive prick ? My bet is that you are a mix of both, but in any case your stupidity
      is showing.

    11. Re: I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strawman - it is NOT simply because we like him, and it has nothing to do with Enron. Fuck this.

    12. Re: I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just did the exact same thing fucktard.

    13. Re:I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Short investors are bottom feeders.

      Short investors who actually work to cause companies to fail to make their shorts pay off are plagues on society and deserve to go to the circle of hell reserved for people who talk in movie theaters and destroy the innocence of children.

      Musk screwed up, but his motives were honest in my opinion, which was to stick it to the short investors. In a decent society making money in this way would be illegal.

    14. Re:I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >DiD yOu JuSt AsSuMe mY pErSoNaLiTy

    15. Re:I fully agree by hey! · · Score: 1

      Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.

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    16. Re:I fully agree by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      think Musk fits this mold. If a bus were to hit him tomorrow he'd go down in the history books as the most significant tech entrepreneur of our age; where as Bill Gates made a fortune catching the PC wave, Musk actually drove change in a way that Gates never did.

      Yes, the tax breaks that drove Tesla and Solar City and the shift to commercial services that drove SpaceX have nothing to do with anything. Seriously, Musk caught waves too. He didn't force change, he latched onto circumstance.

    17. Re: I fully agree by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Jobs would be the first to admit that the firing and subsequent failure at NeXT was a lesson that had to be learned in order to achieve what he did later in life.

      You can't look at the successes of his return to Apple without him going away.

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    18. Re: I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Model 3 owner, I can say with some level of expert knowledge that it is not a "mediocre" product.

    19. Re: I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are all self-confessed "Tesla Model 3 owners" here anonymous cowards? Why do they post the same onliner over and over? Rei, that you shilling again?

    20. Re:I fully agree by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, short sellers are the people who work hard to find out which companies are abusing the stock markets to defraud investors. They are knowledgeable, they do a lot of research, they are a strong pressure for better governance and less cheating from the management. They are a partial solution to the principal-agent problem. And, if one is an investor, they should readily see the obvious. Musk's big screw up not tweeting to "squeeze the shorts". His big screw up is that he failed to squeeze the shorts the only way that matters - by failing to make Tesla a sound business, which can sustain itself.

    21. Re: I fully agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all. The early Jobs did a great job (uhhmmm...sorry) promoting the wonderful Wozniak's work, he was the real genius behind the scene and the first Apple PCs were indeed revolutionary.

  2. Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Is worse than Hitler.

    1. Re:Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry for being redundant
      and saying that you have nothing to say,
      which you yourself have proven by writing some words
      and saying nothing which invoked godwin's law
      and thus proved to the outside world
      that you have nothing to say,
      even when you utter some words.

      Thank you for enlightening us to your lack of abilities and talents.
      Please report to your nearest cannon fodder centre for enlistment.

      Thank you
      and
      You're Welcome.

    2. Re:Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Godwin's law deals with comparing your debate opponent to Hitler. The OP comparing Musk to Hitler is not an invocation of Godwin's law.

    3. Re:Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong.

      and proven yourself wrong by your claim.

  3. inventors are supposed to fail sometimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And stock analysis are supposed to be reliable and infallible.

    But reality has switched things around. And I end up with mutual funds managed by idiots, and there are people who invent big things who are criticized for perceived mistakes that have not even occurred.

  4. Fuck popular mechanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the hell can a magazine that prides itself on people being able to do technical ventures as a DIY thing support the guy who is singlehandedly trying to change the automobile market from the current "You can repair anything you want" status to "Screw you, we'll refuse to perform safety recalls on your AIRBAGS and even disable features on your car remotely if we find you allowed your car to have been touched by anyone who isn't a Tesla certified mechanic".

    Elon can sit and rotate. And, apparently, now I know why I never found Popular Mechanics worth buying.

    1. Re: Fuck popular mechanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Popular mechanics isn't the same magazine it used to be. It is just a rag. The real magazine went bankrupt a long time ago and someone bought the name

    2. Re: Fuck popular mechanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Douchesayswhat?

    3. Re: Fuck popular mechanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Elon is a douche. Doubly so since his business acumen is figuring out how to get 5 billion dollars from Taxpayers without them ever complaining.

    4. Re:Fuck popular mechanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      current "You can repair anything you want" status

      What the fuck are you babbling about? Have you bothered to look under the hood of any fairly recent, (since at least 2009,) ICE-engined vehicle?

    5. Re:Fuck popular mechanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What the fuck are you babbling about?

      This fucking thing:

      https://greentransportation.info/news/2018/04/tesla-deny-takata-recall.html

      And this fucking thing:

      https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/tesla-accused-disabling-features-salvaged-model-without-telling-owner/

      And this fucking thing:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/7petaq/another_cant_get_spare_parts_to_fix_my_tesla_story/

      And this fucking thing:

      https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/unavailability-of-tesla-parts-lists-diagrams-and-service-manuals.47333/

      And this fucking thing:

      https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/10/tesla-doesnt-want-work-cars/

      Would you like more fucking links? Is that fucking enough?

      >Have you bothered to look under the hood of any fairly recent, (since at least 2009,) ICE-engined vehicle?

      Yes. I repair my own cars. That would be why I care. The most recent was repairing the transmission on a 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage. I was able to purchase all the factory service manuals. I was also able to purchase parts from Mitsubishi. I didn't require any "special tools", however, Mitsubishi would be happy to sell them to me, including the MUT-III.

      Prior I have repaired vehicles from several other makes, such as Toyota, Ford, and Chrysler. Again, I was able to purchase any parts I wanted form the dealer and I was also able to purchase all the factory service manuals. I also purchased several special tools, though those were through the internet as I was disappointed with the dealer prices. I only had to walk into the dealer with money and offer it to them and they were very happy to give me anything I want. Anything with a part number. *NOTHING* was off limits, assuming it was in stock somewhere and I had the money for it.

      If you don't believe me, and you don't own a Tesla, take a moment to walk into your dealer, cash in hand, and ask them for the service manual. Assuming your vehicle is recent enough they still carry stock (though now they're digital, they don't even have to carry stock) they'll be REALLY happy to sell it to you. Or, if they don't sell CDs/books, they'll offer a website where you can enter your credit card number and have access worldwide, to the whole manual (not just snippets of it and only in Maryland like Tesla). Tell them you have lots of money and would like the dealer level diagnostic tools. They'll sell you them, no problems.

      Tell your dealer you'd like to buy a brand new crate motor. Again, if you have money, they'll sell you one.

      Now, try any of that with Tesla outside of a Right to Repair state. And inside a Right to Repair state watch the roadblocks go up since they won't sell you that motor.

      But I expect you think that because there's no dipstick in your BMW and therefore you'd need to spend a bit of money on tools it is irreparable. That's because you're lazy and broke.

  5. Shaw. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

        - George Bernard Shaw

    1. Re: Shaw. by edris90 · · Score: 0

      Therefore "progress" is malignant because it detracts from self adaptation

    2. Re:Shaw. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's deep

  6. Fortnite is free to play by MatthiasF · · Score: 1

    So what exactly did he buy?

    I feel like this guy jumps on any bandwagon he sees as popular and then tries to capitalize as much as possible from it.

    1. Re:Fortnite is free to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      He bought the joke, put it into a SpaceX rocket, and launched it into LEO above your head.

    2. Re:Fortnite is free to play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortnite has a pay tier. But you knew that. Musk didn't he's just riffing.

    3. Re:Fortnite is free to play by mentil · · Score: 1

      I had to read that a couple times to get it. That is, he joked about buying ownership of the IP/studio/control over the game's operation... and then shutting it all down. Fortnite makes so much money he might not actually be able to afford to do that, although if he did the players would go back to Minecraft or PUBG or something. Some kind of "how to not scream racial slurs at strangers 101" workshop would do more for their virginity than shutting down a game, though.

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      Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    4. Re: Fortnite is free to play by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You know there is a difference between owning a license to use the software, and owning the software (copyrights), right?

      That difference is, of course, a primary factor in understanding the joke.

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    5. Re: Fortnite is free to play by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      For some reason, Forbes wrote an article doing the math. Epic Games is privately held, but figured to be worth somewhere around 8 to 10 billion. So if Musk wanted to liquidate half his Tesla holdings to make a videogame go away he could, but it would be a massive waste of resources.

      I'd rather he use that money to make Twitter go away. He (and everyone else) would actually get some benefit on that investment.

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  7. Popular Mechanics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a history of the magazine that explains its different layout and thematic shifts?

  8. To the "naysayers"/"detractors" of Mr. Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF? Do you work for his OBVIOUSLY SCARED competitors in GM/Ford (latter I like, their trucks & the MUSTANG V8 rock)?? He's done MORE than your WORTHLESS ASSES ever WILL!

    * From what I understand, he made his money via PayPal (pretty cool in & OF itself + I bet you IDIOTS who are DO-NOTHING zero "ne'er-do-wells" WISH that YOU thought of that 1st - but your LAZY asses, didn't & THAT's truly, that...)

    I also RESPECT he smoked his POT in front of the planet (it should be LEGAL anyhow & taxed like booze) - takes BALLS to tell everyone (minus saying it) "I AM WHO I AM"

    (Just like God himself did).

    APK

    P.S.=> Correct me IF I am off/wrong anywhere above - it's not like I 'worship' Mr. Musk (BUT I do RESPECT him because he "keeps on KEEPIN' ON" using his COIN to do more than POTENTIALLY cool stuff & THAT? I have to respect - so should you ALL) - & like I say to MY "detractors" whom I easily ANNIHILATE here on /., e.g. https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... ?

    YOU WISH YOU WERE HIM (pity is, you COULD be, IF you had some BRAINS/EDUCATION/DRIVE & ideas you could MAKE happen - along w/ RISK TAKING BALLS)... apk

    1. Re:To the "naysayers"/"detractors" of Mr. Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No boldface.

      Fake APK.

    2. Re: To the "naysayers"/"detractors" of Mr. Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would LOVE to suck some Musk dick, but I have to suck trucker dick instead to pay the bills. APK

    3. Re: To the "naysayers"/"detractors" of Mr. Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. No bold. No narsicisstic nonsense about hosts files. No vendetta about fake names and persecution as if anyone cares.

  9. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a serial killer paedophile finds a cure for cancer or a way to mitigate climate change, we'll let him rape and murder kids because, on balance, you think it'd be OK.

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, in that (extreme, completely edge, and way unlikely,) case; yes.

      Said serial killer paedophile would be doing good for far more people than he/she/it hurts.

    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully it is your child that they'll be raping and then murdering. I'm sure you'll be appreciative of their work, and not get in the way.

  10. Chaos. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't save the world, moron!

  11. On Slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    much of it is myopic and small-brained, from sideline observers gleefully salivating at the opportunity to take him down a peg

    Creimertards. Can you believe this has been going on for two years? Sad. Fucking sad.

  12. Re: It's deserved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, yes, Musk is a total piece of shit

    But letâ(TM)s also acknowledge reality and understand that anyone living paycheck to paycheck, and canâ(TM)t support feeding their family if they miss one paycheck is living beyond their means.

  13. Re:WHICH ONE OF YOU TESLA QUEERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is gonna suck my dick?

    pretty sure you have to grow one first. You need an outie not an innie.

  14. Elon Musk is a Soy Boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and his cars run on soytricity.

  15. Re:It's deserved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he hadn't called the pedophile out,
    all the kids would've died in that cave.
    It's hard to prove,
    but since you want to fuck so badly,
    I suggest you go visit your momma,
    seems like she has an opening
    since I had to cancel my appointment.

    Thank you
      and a happy day to you.

  16. Re:Taxpayer funded by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He seems to be getting there. SpaceX is doing reasonably well, arguably on government money but coming from government contracts rather than subsidies, and offering a real value: Uncle Sam is saving money on those contracts. As for EV's... I don't think that market - meaning all auto makers, not just Tesla - would be where it is today if it wasn't for those tax breaks. Perhaps tax breaks are necessary to kick-start certain markets... I'm all for that, as long as those subsidies are doled out equally, and end at some point.

    Here's hoping that Tesla can get over the financial hump, they've pulled out all the stops to meet important targets, but next 2 quarters are going to be make or break, and Musk will have to show that they can not only reach the current production (and distribution) levels, but sustain them as well, while turning to a positive cash flow.

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  17. Re:It's deserved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What EXACTLY have YOU done with your billions that in any way has helped anyone other than your mom and dad upstairs unclog the toilet? You spouting off bullshit in some off the wall forum and somehow STILL feel somehow superior is absolutely amazing.

  18. Re: Taxpayer funded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahaha, you dunce, go back under the stairs.

  19. They call me a fanboi. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It is an American car company giving run for their money to the Germans. Audi and BMW and MB are beaten in their performance car game.

    He failed to deliver on his promises. True. The goal was so over the top, what he did deliver is way above other car companies delivered.

    He showed what a no compromise electric car can do, how it will drive, how it would feel and how great it would be. That genie is out of the bottle. No body can put it back in. No ICEV can compete with a EV.

    And the party is just starting. The batteries are getting cheaper, energy density is getting higher. While ICE is fully optimized and there is nothing more you could squeeze out of an internal combustion engine.

    In an EV, you can have two or four motors mechanically decoupled and electronically controlled. What such a car can do, no way an ICE can do.

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    1. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All musk did was show electric cars are over priced pieces of shit.

    2. Re:They call me a fanboi. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      The big auto makers only starting doing so because Musk was eating their lunch. And for all the crying about Tesla missing production targets, they are still dominating the market. Other brands are starting to get wise to the fact that people want normal looking EVs with some range to them, and only now are we seeing some models like that hit the market. In numbers that are nowhere near Tesla's current production volume, I might add.

      Am I a fan? Hell yes. I still ordered a Hyundai Kona EV instead of a Model 3, just thought it'd be a better car for me... but the waiting list for the Kona is longer than for the 3 now, due to the fact that they only make a handful of them.

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    3. Re:They call me a fanboi. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
      He is making a profit. The first German tear down put the cost of Model 3 to be 28K in parts and labor at 10K/week production rate. That shocked the industry.

      The Monroe teardown is pricing it at 33,500$ for the 49K car. Monroe is very critical, it says any other car company making the body using traditional methods would make it 2000$ cheaper. He says, despite squandering 2000$ on inefficient body design, Tesla is so far ahead on the electronics part, and the battery part, it is enjoying a positive gross margin of nearly 30%. He says the 35K version also will be profitable.

      Tesla is also paying down enormous R&D cost, factory depreciation and loan payments. So the net margin is negative and the company is making loss because of that. But people casually say, "Tesla is losing money on every sale" indicating a negative gross margin. That is not true. All the cars, S, X and the 3 have positive gross margins.

      I got mine for 50K. It is not a toy for the rich. It is a nice car for the moderately affluent. The median new car price is 35K. 50K is probably 80th percentile. 20% of all new car buyers can afford a Tesla model 3. He may not make too many 35 K model 3s. He will deliver enough for the original reservation holders. But the car being so hot, as long as people are willing to pay a premium he will, and he should sell the higher end versions.

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    4. Re:They call me a fanboi. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The big automakers were waiting for Tesla to die so that can continue business as usual. They terribly underestimated the potential of the electric car.

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    5. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one am grateful to Tesla for kicking the EV market into life. I'd never buy one of their existing cars but I certainly appreciate they pushed the market along so there will be an EV from some other manufacturer I can buy in a couple of years.

    6. Re:They call me a fanboi. by theskipper · · Score: 2

      Hmm.

      "Some service employees said they were surprised to learn that when they sent mechanics to help out with "bursts" to build new vehicles in the Fremont factory, their time was billed either to "training" or "research and development," rather than service or vehicle assembly. "

      https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/1...

    7. Re:They call me a fanboi. by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, Tesla is not making a profit. The financials are public, look at them.

      2018 Q2, $520 million loss on revenue of 4 billion.

      You Musk/Tesla shills are unbelievable, denying reality.

    8. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Germans will produce cars that make the Tesla look like a joke, as soon as it is sensible to do so from the standpoint of profitability.

      Yes, we know that. It doesn't matter to them if the whole planet is a polluted wreck of burnt oil, other car manufacturers will make electric cars when *they* decide it is profitable. Thanks.

    9. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is making a profit.

      Tesla is operating at a loss. That is a fact.

      The first German tear down put the cost of Model 3 to be 28K in parts and labor at 10K/week production rate. That shocked the industry.

      No one was shocked within the automotive manufacturing industry. To wit using your words:

      Monroe is very critical, it says any other car company making the body using traditional methods would make it 2000$ cheaper.

      What is shocking about making a car with 15% less profit margin than existing players?

      Tesla is also paying down enormous R&D cost, factory depreciation and loan payments.

      Like every other car manufacturer does, except Tesla is in far greater debt.

      So the net margin is negative and the company is making loss because of that.

      But you said "He is making a profit." Call yourself a liar for one or the other.

      It is not a toy for the rich. It is a nice car for the moderately affluent.

      Rich, affluent, wealthy. All synonyms.

      The median new car price is 35K. 50K is probably 80th percentile. 20% of all new car buyers can afford a Tesla model 3.

      Going with your numbers. Convenient that you left out what percentage of people can afford to buy new cars while meeting their other obligations. Google says that's around 7%. So the top 14% of the 1% can afford a Tesla. Sounds like a toy for the wealthy to me.

      He may not make too many 35 K model 3s.

      Sounds like a toy for the wealthy to you.

      This is just sad. People here insist on some claim of being educated, informed, and rational. Yet people that, within their own post, prove they are lying and obfuscating the truth are modded up. The success of Tesla has nothing to do with technology, or quality, or progress, or efficiency, and everything to do with a triumph of emotion over reason.

    10. Re: They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nothing new. Musk is a religion. And facts don't matter.

    11. Re: They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn. EVs aren't going to save the world anytime soon. So what does it fucking matter. Tesla is not saving the world by selling 60k EVs.

    12. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure he addressed that. He didn't deny they weren't profitable. What he said was the reason they aren't profitable has nothing to do with the price of the cars. It has to do with paying off other liabilities. If it were just covering the expenses of building the things they would run a roughly 10k profit on each.

    13. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're obtusely ignoring that while Tesla itself is not turning a profit (due to R&D and growth expenditures), the cars they are selling are all profitable. This means once the growth slows, the company is in the black. That is what is important.

    14. Re:They call me a fanboi. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      No, Tesla is not making a profit. The financials are public, look at them.

      2018 Q2, $520 million loss on revenue of 4 billion.

      You Musk/Tesla shills are unbelievable, denying reality.

      You Musk/Tesla haters are unbelievable, denying reality AND twisting words.

      The mother fucker said Tesla was not losing money on the materials and labor for producing the car and then held up that Tesla needed to pay for depreciation/R&D/etc.

      I am unsure how you take what he said and then run off at the mouth saying that Tesla is an unprofitable company. His statement had nothing to do with your statement... and then you have the nerve to call him a shill. Dumbass. YOU are the shill. A negative one, but a shill nevertheless.

      I have seen you on Slashdot for many years. At no point in time have you ever come directly into my spotlight. You just did. Are you angry at Musk or are you just being contrary to be contrary? I don't get it. You are not a sockpuppet, so why the irrational hate? Why bring up an argument nobody was having? The person you were responding to was talking about per unit prices and profit, not company-wide. Why bring it up as a refutation to his claims when your claim does not actually refute his claim? What is twisting your brain so far out of order that you are provoked into using faulty logic like that?

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    15. Re:They call me a fanboi. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Read the first words of his post "He is making a profit."

      No, Tesla and Musk are not, that is the fact.

      You are the one in denial of reality and needing basic reading comprehension.

      Again, no profit is being made, Tesla won't and can't make a profit.

    16. Re:They call me a fanboi. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Sorry fanboi but the business world has a concise and clear definition of "profit", which is what Tesla is not making.

    17. Re:They call me a fanboi. by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      That is not making a profit. Take a basic bookkeeping class and learn definitions. Tesla is not profitable, cars are not made at a profit. All car manufacturers have R&D and expenses.

    18. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps English is not your first language, but his statement that "He is making a profit" is clearly within the context of cost and profit of each car manufactured because in the rest of the paragraph he provides supporting arguments for that from Munro and the German company. So, if you take it out of context and examine just the sentence by itself, yes, it would be inaccurate. But your fourth-grade English teacher would fail you on reading comprehension because you're ignoring all the statements that come immediately afterward and which all together form the paragraph. Leaving full context out of a sentence and relying on the paragraph to build the context is a common structure in English; otherwise, sentences would get way too long and would interfere in conveying the ideas being put forth.

    19. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      No, Tesla is not making a profit. The financials are public, look at them.

      2018 Q2, $520 million loss on revenue of 4 billion.

      You Musk/Tesla shills are unbelievable, denying reality.

      Yes, Tesla is making a profit. The financials are public, look at them.

      2018 Q3, $312 million profit on revenue of $6.8 billion.

      You gas guzzler shills are unbelievable, denying reality.

    20. Re:They call me a fanboi. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      The big automakers were waiting for Tesla to die so that can continue business as usual. They terribly underestimated the potential of the electric car.

      The big automakers were actively working to kill Tesla, paying for FUD in the press at least as much as the shortsellers and WERE some of the shortsellers themselves, since they're so old and so big they've been characterized as "a finance company with an auto business on the side". They didn't underestimate the potential of the electric car. They just failed to react appropriately.

      They reacted with fear and tried to quash it, instead of embracing a new product category. If they had seen the writing on the wall, they actually could have crushed Tesla as the FUD has been saying for years. But they didn't. They didn't budge, and now the FUD has collapsed, with current estimates that they're at least 3 years and as many as 7 years behind Tesla in implementing their own electric cars. Now that Tesla is profitable, with a 3-7 year lead, they will establish an unassailable position for themselves in the automotive industry. It's too late for the big automakers to eliminate them, by FUD or by competing.

      They saw it coming. They just thought they could make Tesla fail.

  20. Fake news about fortnite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All my normie roommates who play fortnite incessantly fuck a lot.

  21. Re: It's deserved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did exactly the same as Musk except I skipped the part where I was a fat douche eater in public.

  22. I'll be tossing and turning tonight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't believe Popular Mechanics is in league with Elon Musk. Guess I'll have to add them to my boycott list. We need to get word out that this cannot be tolerated for the good of all science!

  23. c6gunner needs to STOP IMPERSONATING ME... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You're IMPERSONATING me (as you can't ever get the better of me, especially on my points on hosts files). I am God's gift to Slashdot and my hosts file engine provides full protection from Spectre & Meltdown. No other software protects against speculative execution vulnerabilities. That's a fact even FAKEname trolls like you can't deny.

    Where's your house fully paid for all bills & taxes current TROLL? It's not - trolls like YOU live under a bridge (hence WHY you HIDE from me STALKING ME by your UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous and FAKENAME posts like the 'brave guy' you are(n't)).

    * How many times have I utterly DUSTED YOU in tech debates under your DOUBTLESS many SOCKPUPPET 'fakename' accounts you use here, hmmm?

    TONS (& you doing what you do proves it).

    I don't deserve coming to /. and being bullied just because I'm world-class and produce better wares than you.

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a fool - a DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" troll loser, nothing more... apk

    1. Re: c6gunner needs to STOP IMPERSONATING ME... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are sad that you come to slashdot and get bullied, the answer is easy!

      Stop coming to slashdot!!!! Or quit posting stupid bullshit!!!!

      This is absolutely not difficult, you fucking retard.

  24. ABSOLUTELY NO SURPRISE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I, for one, think that it is ABSOLUTELY NO SURPRISE some people keep trying hard to discredit & take down Musk/Tesla!

    I, for one, can clearly see that, everytime a Tesla car taken apart (for reverse engineering?), what found is innovation after innovation!

    Tesla cars keep getting highest safety ratings ever & W/O CHEATING!!!
    Why others count as cheating, at least to me, is because all gasoline cars are always tested for safety w/ EMPTY GAS TANK!
    Is that really a realistic test? Traffic accidents in the real world ever happen w/ empty gas tanks?
    & what do you think would happen to the safety ratings of all gasoline cars, if they were collision tested w/ full gas tanks?

    Don't you think that, quite a significant percentage of people who die in traffic accidents, are actually not dying from the collision,
    but really dying afterwards, by BURNING TO DEATH ALIVE!!!

    Why do you think, public never knows/hears about, what percentage of people burning to death alive, in all traffic accidents w/ deaths?
    Do you seriously think gasoline car companies would want public to learn that?
    (Realize that, a big percentage of advertising revenue of all mass media outlets are always coming from car companies!)

    Now many gasoline car companies are keep pushing hard for hydrogen cars, instead of electric.
    Why do you think that is?

    Could it be because, switching gasoline car factories to produce hydrogen cars would be a lot cheaper,
    compared to switching to produce electric cars?
    (Realize that, technologically, the difference between, a gasoline car and hydrogen car, is a lot smaller than, the difference between a gasoline car and electric car!)

    But the problem is, if, gasoline cars, replaced by hydrogen cars,
    then we would be actually replacing extreme fire hazards (during collisions) w/ MOVING BOMBS, quite literally!
    (But of course, that is not really a problem for the car companies themselves; that is a problem for the public, right?)

    (And also think about, how much danger to the public would be, if whole world covered w/ hydrogen transport/storage infrastructure?!)

    So again, it is ABSOLUTELY NO SURPRISE (at least to me), some people keep trying hard to discredit & take down Musk/Tesla!!!

    1. Re: ABSOLUTELY NO SURPRISE!!! by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      I, for one, can clearly see that, everytime a Tesla car taken apart (for reverse engineering?), what found is innovation after innovation!

      Design quirk after design quirk. What else would you expect when a bunch of SV Web developers set out to design a car? Some small fraction of whats thrown up at the wall won't slide off.

  25. Re:WHICH ONE OF YOU TESLA QUEERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget the No Salt.

  26. You WISH you were me c6gunner... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You impersonating me PROVES it (your name's on it as submitter & yet signing as me (APK)) https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & altering /.er's words - grow up.

    YOU started it by MORE than 'insinuating' that "I'm a bad programmer" PARENT to your SELF-destruction here https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & vs. that FAIR challenge from me?

    YOU RAN "Forrest" (zero by comparison yet you gave me shit? LOL - please).

    * LOL! You're INFERIOR imitation (but IMITATION is the SINCEREST FORM of FLATTERY).

    APK

    P.S.=> It's NOT easy being a "20th Century FOX" (especially in the 21st century w/ JEALOUS "Lil' Jowies" like YOU stalking OR impersonating me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (like me)... apk

    1. Re:You WISH you were me c6gunner... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one wants to be you. Severe mental retardation and several other debilitating mental illnesses are no way to go through life.

    2. Re:You WISH you were me c6gunner... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your stalking him by unidentifiable anonymous posts proves you do. You are apk's psycho groupie that stalks him and it's you who's mentally ill.

  27. One thing I've noticed by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    One thing I've noticed is that many Elon Musk haters are "losers." I don't mean the popular/insulting version of the word, but rather the basic noun - loser, one who loses.

    I've had quite a few debates with haters, and all of the ones I spoke to had some sad story about stock shorts that didn't work out, relatives that lost their jobs on the oil rigs, or friends who owned automotive garages. No amount of "times change" really helped.

    I honestly kinda feel sorry for people that really, really want the world to stop turning. :(

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    1. Re: One thing I've noticed by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 2

      You are't having a debate if you start out by calling them 'haters.' You're simply engaging in cult-belief reinforcement activities. To be fair, the people you are 'debating' with might also be in a cult.

    2. Re:One thing I've noticed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're bothering to have serious debates with you they're definitely losers.

    3. Re:One thing I've noticed by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      If they're bothering to have serious debates with you they're definitely losers.

      That's .. a little harsh.

      They did have legitimate points, and I certainly did understand where they were coming from. Just wanting to discuss it doesn't make them losers.

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  28. Ok: WHY do I do it? Ok... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    c6gunner you are the submitter here impersonating me no questions asked (twisting /.ers praise of my work in 'retaliation') https://linux.slashdot.org/com... vs. a FAIR CHALLENGE from me vs. your MORE than 'insinuation' I am a 'bad coder' & YOU RAN https://linux.slashdot.org/com... as you had ZERO by comparison to myself to show for YOURSELF.

    Lame.

    Don't put down your betters man until YOU have done better (or show they f'd up somehow technically so their shit gets better (not in malice but say if the IP stack had some HUGE flaw in it, wouldn't you want it corrected since YOU use it YOURSELF too? Ask yourself that))

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject: LMAO LASTLY + PURE TRUTH since this IS the bottom line:

    HEY- You make ME look GOOD & yourself? Really bad - lol, no joke (doing it to yourself behind your FAKE NAME)... apk

    1. Re: Ok: WHY do I do it? Ok... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You live in a shithole in Syracuse, pretty much you have owned yourself.

  29. You have issues man, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Facts - I'm not like that. I don't DO that shit. YOU may, to each his own between consulting ADULTS, to each his own & nobody gets hurt etc. - so, sorry to disappoint you & your "StRaNge" (tm that & patent pending) 'Phantasies'... ok?

    * NEWSFLASH: I'm not gay/homosexual (or whatever the F it's called nowadays & into the future, lol).

    APK

    P.S.=> HOWEVER (this is where I am listening to some tunes now later after the above): I can't HELP IT when I'm a 20th entury Fox you can't RESIST queer https://www.youtube.com/watch?... & I blew you AWAY w/ it here too https://it.slashdot.org/commen... YOUR ABNORMAL ASS STALKS CONSTANTLY wanting MORE apparently, lol)... apk

  30. Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The traditional car making is a very stable business. All major efficiency breakthroughs have been achieved already. All the manufacturing improvements are mostly done. Prices are stable. Metrics are stable. Power/weight ratio of ICE, MPG vs curb weight, ... all are stable and the improvemens are coming at the rate of a percent of two per year. They are used to 4 years cycles of design. One year of tooling. 5 years from drawing board to production. No unexpected breakthroughs expected in the five years.

    Cell phones, laptops, Tesla are operating where you cant design for today's metrics. You need to predict the processor speed 18 months from now and design the phone. You need to anticipate the bandwidth increase expected in 12 months.

    An EV's most critical metrics are energy density Kg/kWh of the battery and price $/kWh of the battery. Elon, in his famour 2006 "secret" master plan calculated a 7 year half life for these two critical metrics. The energy density will double, and the price wil halve every seven years. Sort of like Moore's law of batteries. Tesla is designing, building and pricing the cars based on that model. In 2012 for the Tesla Roadster, the battery cost was 270 $/kWh. Model 3, battery is 130 $/kWh (Tesla's claim) 140$/kWh Monroe's tear down. It is following the expected path. Tesla says it is going to hit 100 $/kWh sometime in 2019. That is the figure when the EV and ICEV will cost the same off the dealer's lot. Battery + motor cost = engine+transmission+emission control+fuel tank cost.

    The legacy car makers are not used to engine manufacturing cost going down by 50% in 7 years. Nor the weight of the power train falling by 50% between drawing board and production.

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    1. Re:Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Legacy" car manufacturers (what that is supposed to mean) aren't run by idiots. They expect things to change, they even expect to be at the forefront developing those changes as they have for a long time. What they have - due to how car manufacturing have evolved - is a larger inertia.
      Switching from ICEs to electric engines means that manufacturers of components have to adapt which is a problem, not allowing them to adapt will lead to fewer component developers/manufacturers which will lead to less competition and risks.

      A small company with few products will have less inertia however that will change when trying to expand. Prices will always be higher as there aren't a market of x vehicles sharing the development and manufacturing costs but perhaps x/10 or even x/100 (for something that can be used by 10 car manufacturers).

    2. Re:Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by sinij · · Score: 0

      Traditional car manufacturing is also over-regulated. A car equivalent to original Beetle could be produced today for a fraction of what even cheapest used car costs and could easily deliver 40MPG and run for decades. Unfortunately, you have restrictive and illogical smog emissions (i.e. making all but impossible to have diesel car), very over-the-top safety requirements, and non-safety features (i.e. backup camera) mandated by the government.
       
      Electric cars are that much better because they are not yet regulated in the same way as traditional cars are. There is simply no way for electric cars to compete with an unregulated ICE on cost. When entire ICE car could be manufactured for what a 10kWh battery costs, there is no comparison.
       
      But what about performance? Likewise, today engine builders regularly get 1000HP out of junk yard engines. You can have reliable 1200HP out of forced induction engine with minimal internal mods (forged pistons, high-flow heads, special gaskets). This is generally faster than anything available today from electric cars. So why is this isn't done outside of motorsports? Emission and fuel economy regulations.
       
      So lets compare apples to apples.

    3. Re:Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
      All the safety standards, anti lock brakes, backup camera, airbags are mandatory for the EV too. Only break they get is in the emission controls. Because they dont emit pollution where the car is used. You can argue they merely outsource pollution to a distant location. On the other hand utilities are better equipped to handle pollution mitigation and you dont really have lug the anti-pollution devices around in your car.

      We will not give any break and reduction in pollution standards. If ICE can't meet it, it can die. It is no big loss. Getting rid of diesel and gasoline vehicles will do wonders top world peace. We will stop pumping a trillion dollars to the middle east. Once the money is gone, they will calm down and sort it out in some fashion among themselves. Even if they, don't we dont have to care. That alone is reason enough to kill the ICE vehicles. Even if it costs more to use battery vehicles.

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    4. Re:Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like one of those "100 MPG carburetor" guys, who is certain that the only thing keeping this amazing innovation from the marketplace is some nefarious conspiracy.

      By the time the original Beetle ended its production run in 2003 it was getting almost 40mpg (Imperial).

      If you can get 1000hp out of an engine from a junkyard, it's because you've overhauled the whole thing. The fuel pump won't be sized to deliver gas at the rate needed to generate 1000hp; the radiator, fan, and water pump won't be sized to remove the heat; the transmission, suspension, and axle won't be able to handle the torque; etc. And even once you fix all of those components, the engine won't be reliable. The sort of people who get 1000hp out of automobile engines tend to replace them every few thousand miles, whereas I expect my the engine in my car to last 200,000 miles.

      And you seem to forget that EVs are regulated exactly the same as ICE cars. Every Tesla has to meet the same safety and emissions standards as every other car sold in the US. Of course the emissions standards are easy to meet, but they still have to waste hundreds of pounds on what you believe to be unnecessary safety equipment.

      dom

    5. Re:Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by sinij · · Score: 2

      We will not give any break and reduction in pollution standards. If ICE can't meet it, it can die.

      This approach is idiotic, considering that emission standards for passenger cars are well into diminishing returns and they are not even near top polluters. More so, additional emission control equipment on cars results in cars that have larger lifetime emissions due to added weight and additional manufacturing.

      It is no big loss. Getting rid of diesel and gasoline vehicles will do wonders top world peace. We will stop pumping a trillion dollars to the middle east. Once the money is gone, they will calm down and sort it out in some fashion among themselves.

      This is just magical thinking on your part. There is absolutely no reason to expect that middle east will become peaceful once petrodollars stop flowing.

      More so, you are not thinking what it would take to switch to all-electric. We will need to completely rebuild power grid, we will have to drastically increase power generation capacity (probably natural gas or coal).

    6. Re:Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      More so, you are not thinking what it would take to switch to all-electric. We will need to completely rebuild power grid, we will have to drastically increase power generation capacity (probably natural gas or coal).

      The base load on the grid is 33% of the peak capacity. The peak usage is around 900 GW. The base load, the lowest usage happens at night between 10 PM and 6 AM. The usage is 300 GW. There is 600 GW of unused capacity available at night. Let us take out the peaker plants that are started and stopped on demand, these gas turbine power plants out. Using high efficiency steam turbines usually fired by coal or natural gas, they have about 400 GW of capacity unused at night. The electric cars are going to be charged at night. We have the grid capacity to charge even if ALL the cars become electric tomorrow.

      An average car puts on about 12,000 miles a year. 1000 miles a month. 35 miles a day. Tesla gives 4 miles /kWh. Bolt, Leaf are more efficient. 9 kWh per car per night. Charging two cars per household is like running an electric coil stove (3 kW) for six hours per night. USA has the grid capacity. All homes have the service connection capacity that can take the load. Airconditioners are more powerful than 3kW. They run for more than six hours during summer afternoons. All the homes in a service area run their A/C simultaneously on summer afternoons. And the grid generation and distribution can take it.

      The claim "We dont have the grid capacity to do it" is misinformation. We can disagree on unknowables. But this is simple basic fact. See if you can accept this. If we cant even agree on facts, we are wasting our time talking about other things.

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    7. Re:Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by sinij · · Score: 1

      We have the grid capacity to charge even if ALL the cars become electric tomorrow.

      Citation required.

    8. Re:Legacy car maker vs Cell phone makers. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      We have the grid capacity to charge even if ALL the cars become electric tomorrow.

      Citation required.

      He showed his work. Here's (some of) the basis for the 33% number. The link is for New England only, in 2011, but the numbers only look better for the rest of the country which uses more peak power for air conditioning than New England does, not less.

      The numbers are actually getting dramatically better for available daytime capacity thanks to the ongoing installation of solar panels. The grid is so overpowered now that in two regions (California and New England), wholesale electricity prices go negative during the day. -$2.65 in the cited article is a vast oversupply. It is not a daily occurrence. Yet. It will become one, and sooner than you'd think. Seven years ago, it never happened in New England. Now it does occasionally. As time goes by, and solar installations continue, it will become more and more frequent.

      Considering the grid is already heavily oversupplied today, during the day, in some parts of the country, the idea that if all cars magically become electric overnight and could still be recharged is not very farfetched. It was possible with only night time oversupply. Now that there is also daytime oversupply, it's down right easy.

  31. Re:He isn't an engineer by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    Yeah but he did start SpaceX. Also to a large degree what you see in the Model S or X was because of his guidance. Both the good and the bad.

  32. Re:Taxpayer funded by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    So you think tax breaks should be offered by the government, but that nobody should take them?

    Boeing called, they want to give the SLS money back.

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  33. It's mine & WHY? It's me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Fight the GOOD fight" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... & WIN for decades!

    * See subject & something "your kind" can NEVER really understand OR more IMPORTANTLY, appreciate...

    (NOT having experienced itself FOR yourself & NOT just that analogy to that CHAMPION LEVEL game for my hometown - life too)

    APK

    P.S.=> Nothing LIKE it & pity is? You'll NEVER know... apk

    1. Re: It's mine & WHY? It's me... apk by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to think these posts come from some shifty AI that just can't grasp language, and needs an adjustment to it's learning algorithm.

      This is just words that do not add up to anything but nonsense.

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  34. He's nothing special by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    He just tries really hard. :)

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  35. Don't be a sucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That sounds a lot like the way trump cultists think about trump.

    The fact is, Musk is just another billionaire with narcissistic personality disorder. Guys like that can be useful, but don't be suckered into believing any of their altruistic bullshit. Like all NPDs he only cares about feeding his fragile, stunted ego. When altruism serves the purpose of feeding their egos they will perform altruism, but the second that stops working they will switch to something else, something much darker.

    Don't believe me? Look at how quickly Musk started leveling false accusations about that rescue diver being a pedo just because the guy criticized Musk's ill-conceived, self-aggrandizing plans to send an impractical submarine to the kids trapped in that cave. The accusation was completely without merit, just pure butthurt. Does that remind you anyone?

  36. Click Bait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Musk, like Trump, is great click bait. Any media is going to love him, even if it is only to hate him. He isn't really competing with the major car companies for typical consumers, he is competing for the luxury toy car market. At some point he has to show he can do that profitably. He hasn't yet and it looks like he might not be able to. That doesn't move electric cars any closer to taking a significant share of the market. In fact, his failure will impede progress in that direction.

  37. Re: Taxpayer funded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't believe you. I bought Tesla stock a couple years ago, and made a bunch. It'd be difficult not to. If you're interested in transitioning to EV's, power grid changes, and/or American manufacturing, then you would understand that there is very good reason for grants. Grants are earned by doing important things - and if he pursued them, then the incentives did there job (but that wasn't the point to him - since if you'd even just read his biography, you'd know he was already talking about the importance of electric vehicles while doing his physics undergrad in Canada). SpaceX's money comes largely from contracts to do jobs that are needed - just business.. and they do it far more cheaply than the competition. Your position strains credulity.

  38. Capish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evolution shows genes are successful at competing with other genes because they cooperate with other genes to make an organism that will compete well with other organisms by cooprerating with them.

  39. Talented creative assholes... by EricTDuckman1414 · · Score: 2

    Talented creative assholes are still assholes.

    1. Re:Talented creative assholes... by ooshna · · Score: 2

      But Musk for the most part seems to be a pretty good guy.

    2. Re: Talented creative assholes... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 0

      Except when he gets butthurt about someone publicly crapping on a dubious,over-complicated scheme to save some trapped kids, and takes to Twitter to levy completely unsubstantiated allegations of pedophilia. Twice.

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    3. Re: Talented creative assholes... by ooshna · · Score: 1

      That compared to all the non asshole things he has done really isn't too bad.

    4. Re: Talented creative assholes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't twice. He did once, apologized and deleted the tweet. That was still wrong.

      The second time, some journalist kept pestering him, and he then eventually wrote back, asked for the email to be off the record and told that journalist to perhaps do some critical investigation, pointing to suspicious circumstances. Whereafter that journalist published his email.

      Now, it was stupid to trust someone who's clearly out for a juicy story. But he didn't publish it. He asked for it to not be published.

      I think it's telling what you come up with is a couple of stories from the tabloids.

      Really, if you want to look at Elon Musk's flaws, look at the production mistakes that can be attributed to him, and the fact that he's overworking the people on salary.

    5. Re: Talented creative assholes... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      So because he was privately accusing someone of being a pedophile, it's suddenly ok?

      That's some DNC-level equivocation right there. Just because it wasn't meant to be public means it's fine?

      Yes, the journalist is an asshole and his justification of "I didn't agree to it being off the record" is amazingly unethical, but that doesn't dismiss Musk from also being an asshole. Stop being an apologist.

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  40. I wish it were true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fortnite is a shitty game full of shitty people and it should be euthanized for the good of humanity.

  41. Elon Musk is human. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's human and just like everyone says B.S. like calling people names. The bad thing is that we now register our mistakes on internet forums / fora.

    But I'd like to point out a much graver problem: our modern society has developed many ways to let inventors vulnerable -- even subverting the original patent protection and turning it into a weapon against such individuals.

    If you're skilled enough -- or can pay skilled enough lawyers -- you'd be able to severely hinder Musk's initiatives, which would seem like good for certain business in the short term, but only delay America's entry into new businesses while providing an excellent window for other countries to take the lead in these future economic sectors (this from a non-American, so there...).

    Careful with what you wish, because you may well get it. And later regret what you got.

  42. Re:Taxpayer funded by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    The main problem he has with Tesla is that it's selling products to the public, so when he tweets something a lot of people take it as a promise or at least a reasonably reliable statement. Then when Tesla doesn't deliver for years they get upset.

    Most companies have a PR department for that reason, and don't let the CEO tweet. Well, at least now Musk will have to have his tweets vetted so maybe it will get better.

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  43. the soft bigotry of low expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    exposed Musk as, well, kind of a dick. But be honest: you'd probably be a dick too.

    Ugh. That is the soft bigotry of low expectations - that everybody is equally awful. When you adopt that mindset you excuse the worst of us and diminish the best of us. Musk isn't any old plebe. He's a god damn multi-billionaire. It is not too much to expect that someone with such enormous power be a better person than the average joe.

    1. Re: the soft bigotry of low expectations by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, I expect most people with those kinds of resources available to them to be insufferable giant bags of douche, mostly because it just doesn't matter on any significant level to them. At the end of the day he has the ability to live life in a level of luxury unlike just about anybody else, and calling someone a "pedo guy" on Twatter won't change that in the slightest.

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    2. Re: the soft bigotry of low expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, I expect most people with those kinds of resources available to them to be insufferable giant bags of douche,

      Must we have a debate about the definition of "expect?" Because you are being your own kind of insufferable douchebag by playing dictionary games in order to rationalize your cynicism. Cynicism, by the way, is the #1 tool of fascists trying to normalize shitty behavior by the powerful. Its the exact same thing as when trump responds to criticism of Putin assassinating people with "we aren't any better."

  44. Complain about him as much as you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the end, he'll continue to be rich and we will continue to be a bunch of nobodies on slashdot.

    Do I smell a little envy in all that hatred? I think I do.