Upgraded two desktops and one laptop from 9.04 to 9.10. One work perfectly (infact better than before, a sound recording bug was fixed). One has issues with Spotify+Wine but otherwise ok. One had a wifi process go crazy once and require a reboot, but has been fine since.
First impressions is it's not their best ever release. But if I remember correctly, these sorts of issues often happen with Ubuntu releases and get fixed within a few weeks. I'm not overly shocked....
I'd say that having a bit more control of the implementation of sound would lead to less problems in the future (the constantly-moving linux sound architecture has until recently had Skype on a constant catch-up). Also could lead to integration with Pidgin or similar IM-aggregators, which wouldn't be a bad thing.
Yeah, the CPU in the current crop of Android phones isn't that impressive. It looks like the next generation coming out this year should have the more modern ARM Cortex which is the same CPU behind the iPhone 3GS and the Palm Pre.
Well... Okay. You've persuaded me with your computer-science-elegance argument. Dammit. (incidentally, am an ex cs.man.ac.uk. Hello!)
My worry is you have a persuasive argument for a simple plan but the consequences of doing it without safeguards are not good. Assuming there was safeguards (people going without television may be acceptable, people going without heating is not) then I agree.
The logical and simpler solution is to increase the price of electricity and/or gasoline, to reflect the real cost of the commodity, through taxes. That way, there is a natural economic pressure to decrease the consumption of EVERY appliance.
Except... that hits different parts of the population massively differently. I don't think it's a good idea to effectively price the poor out of having certain things while letting the rich continue to do anything they want. Economic incentives hit different parts of the population in vastly different ways. Atleast a narrowly defined rule is going to do pretty much exactly what it intends to do.
And it is actually quite simple to remove with regedit. For those that want to toss it just launch regedit and go to HKEY LOCAL MACHINE > Software> Mozilla > Firefox > Extensions.
How is it that some people seem to think the free market economy extends to what country you live in...? Such a bizarre thing to expect is a realistic proposition for most people.
I think the difference is around who's accusing who. If you are accused of a crime then the person accusing is expected to prove their claim. If you write something about someone else then you're expected to prove what you say.
I don't really think that's how big corporations work. You sell into every market that you can, and if (as a CEO) you don't have the brainspace to handle more than the big big markets, you have underlings that specialise. You set up a local branch to deal with the local issues if it means getting millions of more sales... Frankly, it's not just legally required, it's also polite to deal with regional customers in a local way!
Do you think that Britain pioneered digital broadcasting because the manufacturers wished it? It started here because it was pushed by the government (who licenced the airwaves) and the broadcasters (who paid expensive power and bandwidth requirements of analogue terrestrial broadcasts) wanted to use less resources to provide more channels.
DAB radio is mostly UK-only and doing less well, but that's the risk for being first I suppose. Still, they have the manufacturing quantities to make inexpensive sets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting
First I am a little surprised that the British TV market is big enough, TV manufacturers would be interested in dealing with the code, regulatory requirements, and litigation risks to failure, of a single network's DRM request, just to sell TVs in that market.
Ignoring the actual topic, (I don't think it will happen for entirely other reasons), your post shows a remarkable *insert-your-country-here*-centric view of the world. You don't think a country with the 6th biggest GDP in the world and 60 million inhabitants is worth selling in to? The TV manufacturers will do what they have to to sell TVs, that's what they do.
But I think that's part of the point... people actually don't know what they're getting into. Apple's rules are vague and variable. "Duplication of functionality" seems to include "duplication of future functionality only Apple knows about", and "objectionable content" seems to be insanely wide. If they are providing a platform it's reasonable for the developers to be able to determine whether they are accepted *before* they do the work, at the moment it seems to be a lottery.
Hmm... how about any previous recession? They do learn about the Great Depression right? The whole point of learning about it would be to warn that something like that could happen again. Surely no one really believes that something can NEVER happen again?
Until recently the majority view seemed to be it would be good forever. In the UK the Chancellor of the Exchequer said every year for years that there was an "end to boom and bust" and went on about sustainable growth. The banks and housing market acted as if it would never end. Professional people who are *supposed to know better* thought it was different this time. It's hardly fair to expect ordinary people to know different.
Even in a recession, an unemployment rate of 5% or so looks very small unless you're *in* the 5%.
WTF? Before programming as a paid job, you REALLY thought EVERY person hated their job?
OK... that's not quite what I meant, and I was exaggerating. My point is that suddenly for the first time I had money enough to live on my own and buy toys and save money. My friends with the same qualifications (some of who worked alot harder than I did) barely scraped by. What is expected and what is fair is whatever you make up, there is no 'standard'.
t's very popular to point at the young and their 'entitlement' fantasies, but the reason they believe that is entirely due to the fact they've been systematically lied to by everyone in authority throughout their life.
Well, then they are gullable fuckwads that can't think for themselves.
Your entire outlook is based on experience and what you are told, there's no other source of information. And young adults obviously don't have any experience.
As for "studying history", what specific history do you think would help here? Statistics of people getting their dream jobs based on their educational background? Where do you find that then?
"Too good to be true" is entirely based on perspective and experience. I thought it was too good to be true when I started working in a programming job and could do a job I liked *and* get paid a descent salary. Obviously it wasn't too good, it was entirely fair, but up until then I had had to *pay* a university to learn about computers.
Agreed. It's very popular to point at the young and their 'entitlement' fantasies, but the reason they believe that is entirely due to the fact they've been systematically lied to by everyone in authority throughout their life. What do you believe when you have no experience? You believe what people tell you, and when government, teachers, parents have been telling you that University is the way to get exactly what you want...
Hm... just because you say "I may well get modded to hell" doesn't mean you don't deserve it.
Overreaction much? It's just a tax break to promote local art. Happens all the time in fields other than games, and it's done so that you don't have all your local talent chasing the international (biggest) market and genericising their content so that it's not interesting any more. This is xenaphobic how?
I can't believe after all these years, after all the posts pointing out the issue that this still needs to be explained.
So, again:
Pure, unfiltered capitalism is flawed. It ends up with one company dominating and dictating everything. We have rules to stop this from happening such as "a company may not leverage a monopoly in one area to gain marked share in another". This is what they did and why it's considered a bad idea.
To be fair to Netscape, once MS had subsidised their browser to £zero (given their desktop monopoly) where was Netscape going to get their income from? I'd imagine nothing kills a business's direction quicker than the knowledge there's no way to get any money in to run the company...
If you had actually been studying for your exams and working on your final assignments instead of watching movies, you wouldn't be in this situation, would you?
Do you work every hour that you exist? Do you not have any time off doing things other than working? Do you think you could have come up with a marginally more clever response than a trite cliche?
The student hasn't helped himself entirely by being so blase, but losing your home over downloading a film? When is that EVER balanced justice?...Carl
Um, presumably they can prove it? If they're going to the effort of going after Intel, don't you think there might be some ability to demonstrate the accusations?
Proof please. I willing to have some confidence that if it's going through a court process then they much have some evidence to back up the claims. Where's yours?
There are few people on this discussion arguing that the law itself is bad. *You* might be, I don't know, but hypothetically shouldn't a good law be followed up? Surely there must be some absolutes in enforcement?
Which are people not coporations. They may be the people in charge but their power is not absolute. How long do you think Ballmer would have lasted if he'd pulled Microsoft's EU operations after that trial? The shareholders would have demanded it.
But corporations are not emotional entities, they are controlled by their shareholders and Intel will not sulk and take their ball home from a market of 500M people just because that market has some marginally more strict rules on free markets than the US does. (which is ironic in itself)
If a corporation gets into a position where it can bargain with a state on whether it follows the rules or not, we are *all* in serious trouble...
Agreed. Not to mention the fact that most people compare a 2-year-oldish Windows install that has degraded due to fragmentation and registry bloat and whatever with a brand new empty install of Windows + 1.
Mind you, that comparison works well for alternative OS's too... have converted a couple of my friends because Ubuntu makes a computer look like a rocket compared to a XP after 4 years....
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Upgraded two desktops and one laptop from 9.04 to 9.10. One work perfectly (infact better than before, a sound recording bug was fixed). One has issues with Spotify+Wine but otherwise ok. One had a wifi process go crazy once and require a reboot, but has been fine since.
First impressions is it's not their best ever release. But if I remember correctly, these sorts of issues often happen with Ubuntu releases and get fixed within a few weeks. I'm not overly shocked....
I'd say that having a bit more control of the implementation of sound would lead to less problems in the future (the constantly-moving linux sound architecture has until recently had Skype on a constant catch-up). Also could lead to integration with Pidgin or similar IM-aggregators, which wouldn't be a bad thing.
Yeah, the CPU in the current crop of Android phones isn't that impressive. It looks like the next generation coming out this year should have the more modern ARM Cortex which is the same CPU behind the iPhone 3GS and the Palm Pre.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/core-values-the-silicon-behind-android/
Well... Okay. You've persuaded me with your computer-science-elegance argument. Dammit. (incidentally, am an ex cs.man.ac.uk. Hello!)
My worry is you have a persuasive argument for a simple plan but the consequences of doing it without safeguards are not good. Assuming there was safeguards (people going without television may be acceptable, people going without heating is not) then I agree.
The logical and simpler solution is to increase the price of electricity and/or gasoline, to reflect the real cost of the commodity, through taxes. That way, there is a natural economic pressure to decrease the consumption of EVERY appliance.
Except... that hits different parts of the population massively differently. I don't think it's a good idea to effectively price the poor out of having certain things while letting the rich continue to do anything they want. Economic incentives hit different parts of the population in vastly different ways. Atleast a narrowly defined rule is going to do pretty much exactly what it intends to do.
And it is actually quite simple to remove with regedit. For those that want to toss it just launch regedit and go to HKEY LOCAL MACHINE > Software> Mozilla > Firefox > Extensions.
Your definition of easy differs from mine.
Time to leave.
How is it that some people seem to think the free market economy extends to what country you live in...? Such a bizarre thing to expect is a realistic proposition for most people.
Why the huge difference for libel?
I think the difference is around who's accusing who. If you are accused of a crime then the person accusing is expected to prove their claim. If you write something about someone else then you're expected to prove what you say.
I don't really think that's how big corporations work. You sell into every market that you can, and if (as a CEO) you don't have the brainspace to handle more than the big big markets, you have underlings that specialise. You set up a local branch to deal with the local issues if it means getting millions of more sales... Frankly, it's not just legally required, it's also polite to deal with regional customers in a local way!
Do you think that Britain pioneered digital broadcasting because the manufacturers wished it? It started here because it was pushed by the government (who licenced the airwaves) and the broadcasters (who paid expensive power and bandwidth requirements of analogue terrestrial broadcasts) wanted to use less resources to provide more channels.
Freeview terrestrial tv is UK-only and doing well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeview_(UK)
DAB radio is mostly UK-only and doing less well, but that's the risk for being first I suppose. Still, they have the manufacturing quantities to make inexpensive sets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting
Ignoring the actual topic, (I don't think it will happen for entirely other reasons), your post shows a remarkable *insert-your-country-here*-centric view of the world. You don't think a country with the 6th biggest GDP in the world and 60 million inhabitants is worth selling in to? The TV manufacturers will do what they have to to sell TVs, that's what they do.
But I think that's part of the point... people actually don't know what they're getting into. Apple's rules are vague and variable. "Duplication of functionality" seems to include "duplication of future functionality only Apple knows about", and "objectionable content" seems to be insanely wide. If they are providing a platform it's reasonable for the developers to be able to determine whether they are accepted *before* they do the work, at the moment it seems to be a lottery.
Hmm... how about any previous recession? They do learn about the Great Depression right? The whole point of learning about it would be to warn that something like that could happen again. Surely no one really believes that something can NEVER happen again?
Until recently the majority view seemed to be it would be good forever. In the UK the Chancellor of the Exchequer said every year for years that there was an "end to boom and bust" and went on about sustainable growth. The banks and housing market acted as if it would never end. Professional people who are *supposed to know better* thought it was different this time. It's hardly fair to expect ordinary people to know different.
Even in a recession, an unemployment rate of 5% or so looks very small unless you're *in* the 5%.
WTF? Before programming as a paid job, you REALLY thought EVERY person hated their job?
OK... that's not quite what I meant, and I was exaggerating. My point is that suddenly for the first time I had money enough to live on my own and buy toys and save money. My friends with the same qualifications (some of who worked alot harder than I did) barely scraped by. What is expected and what is fair is whatever you make up, there is no 'standard'.
t's very popular to point at the young and their 'entitlement' fantasies, but the reason they believe that is entirely due to the fact they've been systematically lied to by everyone in authority throughout their life.
Well, then they are gullable fuckwads that can't think for themselves.
Your entire outlook is based on experience and what you are told, there's no other source of information. And young adults obviously don't have any experience.
As for "studying history", what specific history do you think would help here? Statistics of people getting their dream jobs based on their educational background? Where do you find that then?
"Too good to be true" is entirely based on perspective and experience. I thought it was too good to be true when I started working in a programming job and could do a job I liked *and* get paid a descent salary. Obviously it wasn't too good, it was entirely fair, but up until then I had had to *pay* a university to learn about computers.
Agreed. It's very popular to point at the young and their 'entitlement' fantasies, but the reason they believe that is entirely due to the fact they've been systematically lied to by everyone in authority throughout their life. What do you believe when you have no experience? You believe what people tell you, and when government, teachers, parents have been telling you that University is the way to get exactly what you want...
Hm... just because you say "I may well get modded to hell" doesn't mean you don't deserve it.
Overreaction much? It's just a tax break to promote local art. Happens all the time in fields other than games, and it's done so that you don't have all your local talent chasing the international (biggest) market and genericising their content so that it's not interesting any more. This is xenaphobic how?
You think a pop-up giving a warning difficult to understand by most users is good security practice? *Really*?
*sigh*
I can't believe after all these years, after all the posts pointing out the issue that this still needs to be explained.
So, again:
Pure, unfiltered capitalism is flawed. It ends up with one company dominating and dictating everything. We have rules to stop this from happening such as "a company may not leverage a monopoly in one area to gain marked share in another". This is what they did and why it's considered a bad idea.
To be fair to Netscape, once MS had subsidised their browser to £zero (given their desktop monopoly) where was Netscape going to get their income from? I'd imagine nothing kills a business's direction quicker than the knowledge there's no way to get any money in to run the company...
If you had actually been studying for your exams and working on your final assignments instead of watching movies, you wouldn't be in this situation, would you?
Do you work every hour that you exist? Do you not have any time off doing things other than working? Do you think you could have come up with a marginally more clever response than a trite cliche?
The student hasn't helped himself entirely by being so blase, but losing your home over downloading a film? When is that EVER balanced justice? ...Carl
Um, presumably they can prove it? If they're going to the effort of going after Intel, don't you think there might be some ability to demonstrate the accusations?
You'll find Intel did not sell below or at cost.
Proof please. I willing to have some confidence that if it's going through a court process then they much have some evidence to back up the claims. Where's yours?
There are few people on this discussion arguing that the law itself is bad. *You* might be, I don't know, but hypothetically shouldn't a good law be followed up? Surely there must be some absolutes in enforcement?
The EU aren't exactly new in this area...
http://ec.europa.eu/competition/antitrust/cases/
Ballmer. Ellison.
Which are people not coporations. They may be the people in charge but their power is not absolute. How long do you think Ballmer would have lasted if he'd pulled Microsoft's EU operations after that trial? The shareholders would have demanded it.
But corporations are not emotional entities, they are controlled by their shareholders and Intel will not sulk and take their ball home from a market of 500M people just because that market has some marginally more strict rules on free markets than the US does. (which is ironic in itself)
If a corporation gets into a position where it can bargain with a state on whether it follows the rules or not, we are *all* in serious trouble...
Agreed. Not to mention the fact that most people compare a 2-year-oldish Windows install that has degraded due to fragmentation and registry bloat and whatever with a brand new empty install of Windows + 1.
Mind you, that comparison works well for alternative OS's too... have converted a couple of my friends because Ubuntu makes a computer look like a rocket compared to a XP after 4 years....