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UK Tax Breaks For "Culturally British" Games

An anonymous reader writes with news of a proposal in the recent Digital Britain report to set up tax breaks for developing video games that are "culturally British." Quoting the report (PDF): "In film a system of cultural tax credits has long helped to sustain a wide range of films that speak to a British narrative, rather than the cultural perspectives of Hollywood or multinational collaborations. Other countries such as Canada, for similar reasons, extend the model of cultural tax relief beyond the film industry to the interactive and online worlds. CGI, electronic games and simulation also have a significant role in Britain's digital content ecology and in our international competitiveness. Each of these has the same capability as the more traditional sectors, such as film, to engage us and reflect our cultural particularism. They may in future have a cultural relevance to rival that of film." Conservative Shadow Arts and Culture Minister Ed Vaizey said the government has ignored the games industry, and he seeks to set up a government council to promote it. The report also outlined a number of changes to how games are rated.

267 comments

  1. New requirement: by b00fhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    To qualify, games must be written in Python.

    1. Re:New requirement: by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      By a guy named Monty.

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    2. Re:New requirement: by Capsaicin · · Score: 3, Funny

      To qualify, games must be written in Python.

      Yup a language invented by Dutch guy living in the US, can't get much more British than that can we? ;) Yes, yes I know, Monty and all that, but I would still prefer the games should to be written in BCPL

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    3. Re:New requirement: by xaxa · · Score: 2, Funny

      To qualify, games must be written in Python.

      Yup a language invented by Dutch guy living in the US, can't get much more British than that can we? ;)

      ARM assembler should be OK though :-)

    4. Re:New requirement: by TheP4st · · Score: 3, Funny

      And if it is called '1984 The Game' your earn additional tax cuts.

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    5. Re:New requirement: by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for the day we get to alternate mashing A and B to keep screaming at Goldstein for the Two Minute Hate. Keep pressing; you don't want to let the Thought Police think you're up to something...

    6. Re:New requirement: by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      In full.

    7. Re:New requirement: by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup a language invented by Dutch guy living in the US, can't get much more British than that can we?

      Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for A Belgian beer, then traveling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV.

      And the most British thing of all? Suspicion of anything foreign.

    8. Re:New requirement: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To qualify, games must be written in Python.

      And all the avatars must have horrible teeth....

    9. Re:New requirement: by uncledrax · · Score: 1

      Actually a game set in the 1984 world with the story going on could be quite fun.. unfortunately with the likes of Mirrors Edge and all that coming out of late, it'd seem like just another bandwagon game.

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    10. Re:New requirement: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many British people do exactly what you describe, but II refute your statement that this is what 'Being British' actually is.

      You, Sir, may have lost your soul to a global consumer-society.

      Some of us still hold out.

    11. Re:New requirement: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only British things you brits ever use are British women. However, I suspect they are the reason behind insane amounts of Belgian beer consumption.

    12. Re:New requirement: by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for A Belgian beer, then traveling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV.

      All Made in China.

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    13. Re:New requirement: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that guy's TV show was pretty funny. But that was back in the last century. I though he surely would be dead by now?

  2. New for Ninteno Wii by Tokerat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tea & Crumpets: The Game!

    Coming soon: Dodging Dentists 2

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    1. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Stormx2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Call of Duty: Dad's Army
      World of Needlecraft
      Personal Space Invaders
      Need For Tweed: Underground
      Super Mario Milk Float
      Battersea Nintendogs Home
      Tom Clancy's Toast and Tea Recon

    2. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by jginspace · · Score: 1

      ... or a 12-bore and infinite surveillance cameras to shoot out. (Hint, 12-bore has nothing to do with drawing water.)

    3. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Sethus · · Score: 1

      "Mama's Crossdressing (for men)" on the Nintendo DS. Rippingly funny.

      "Call of Duty : War of American Independence"

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    4. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Moat Builder 2010

    5. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by darthvader100 · · Score: 1

      Wii save the queen? Racing Mini's(already been done, i know)

    6. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Funny

      Call of Duty: Dad's Army, would work well. Small arms vs German landing craft and wave after wave of crack troops.
      Private Joe Walker with his pockets full, Frank Pike with his scarf of death and a hidden level with Mrs. Mavis Pike ;)

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    7. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Super Marios Soccer Brawl
      GTA: Chavs vs. Wankers

    8. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by montyzooooma · · Score: 1

      German paratroopers vs Lance Corporal Jones and his bayonetted rifle - "They don't like it up'em!"

    9. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by mike2R · · Score: 1

      >Need For Tweed: Underground

      LOL, I'd buy it!

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    10. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lets not forget the upcoming "hot tea mod" for GTA IV

    11. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personal Space Invaders

      I get the rest - very amusing, well done etc. - but i get the feeling this one refers to a joke I've missed?

      Other than your belief that Britain never left the Victorian age and the obsession with perfect teeth, I'm not really aware of the other American pre-conceptions/jokes regarding Brits - enlighten me please?

      Not offended in the least, just hate not being in on the joke :P

    12. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by offrdbandit · · Score: 1

      "Phillandering Monarch: The Search for an Heir" was, unfortunately, too risque for the Wii.

    13. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by somersault · · Score: 1

      We're not very touchy-feely here in the UK compared to most of the rest of the world. Japan is one of the few places I can think of that are more formal and up-tight, then again I'm not very up on my world culture.

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    14. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Elektroschock · · Score: 1

      Dunkirk 40

    15. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by orudge · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing it's a reference to "Space Invaders", the crisp-type snack that apparently doesn't exist any more that was probably the staple of school lunch boxes in the 80s and early 90s!

    16. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by orudge · · Score: 1

      Ah, a quick Google shows that my memory was wrong, and they are still around - they're Space Raiders, not Space Invaders. And upon re-reading the original post, I reckon it's actually about the stereotype of British people liking their personal space, and not about snack food at all!

    17. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Megane · · Score: 1

      Sim Mornington Crescent

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    18. Re:New for Ninteno Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming soon: Dodging Dentists 2

      I resent that dig. I and many other Brits go to the dentist regularly - whenever the pain becomes unbearable and the pain killers stop working, or when the dentist threatens to 'excommunicate' me if I don't have a checkup. I even have one or two nice white veneers** to go with my other yellow cider-and-nicotine stained teeth. And at least two of my front teeth are reasonably straight.

      ** Where the enamel has completely worn off due cider-and-nicotine erosion

      And no, I'm not kidding. True Brits are proud of their dodgy teeth!

  3. what's defined as culturally british? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    what's culturally british? ruling at the barrel of a gun for a century, poaching wildlife to extinction, or collapsing stable democracies so that you can rape a country of its natural resources?

    Just curious.

    1. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah, too obscure. Not so many people know history these days and they'd mistake it for the ongoing policy of the US. It has to be something genuinely British.

      Like, say, Cooking Mama: British Edition. The worse it tastes the higher your score.

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    2. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Antidamage · · Score: 1

      Add "perpetually boring" and change some accents and you've just described Far Cry 2.

    3. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Alfius · · Score: 0

      mmm, flamy, I wonder where you're from

    4. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by commlinx · · Score: 1

      ruling at the barrel of a gun

      Only when those guns are pointed at a fox, squire.

      Any other use is just not cricket.

    5. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by xaxa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what's culturally british?

      Binge drinking.

    6. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Frogbert · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know but that game sounds pretty freaking sweet.

    7. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by david.given · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what's culturally british? ruling at the barrel of a gun for a century, poaching wildlife to extinction, or collapsing stable democracies so that you can rape a country of its natural resources?

      Don't forget that the ethnic cleansing, the genocide, the slavery, the wars started solely to gain political favour at home, the systematic disregard for human life (not just abroad, either), and the levels of bigotry that make the KKK look liberal. We also have the dubious distinction of being the inventors of the concentration camp. The British Empire was not a nice place and the world is better without it. (Not that the other colonial powers were any better, of course.)

      I don't think people like the BNP who keep going on about the erosion of British values actually know what those values are.

    8. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by malkavian · · Score: 1

      Culturally British these days is saying there's no such thing as British Culture; it's all multicultural, and if there's anything displayed to state a liking of classical British Culture then the meta-game is to see how quickly you can take offense and claim damages against someone with deep pockets (yes I was one of the people who got yelled at for having an English flag for St. George's day a few years ago because it was 'insensitive' to other cultures. They were, however, strangely quiet when I asked how they felt about the mass of cars going by with Jamaican flags; that never bothered me, but one rule for all please).

      As for the ruling by force, that goes back to the dawn of history and before. Every culture has it on some scale (in Tribal setups, you'll have one tribe raiding the next). And if food is in the area it will be hunted to the limits required; palaentology has records of species going extinct well before humanity was able to hunt them to extinction. We're learning that one, and starting tentative steps to try not to, but it's not a British cultural thing.
      Collapsing stable democracies? Pfft.. All the wars involving Greece had that taken care of long ago. What about destabilising stable other governments? Again, not a classic Brit thing. Been going on for along, long time.

      There's really a whole glut of culture in the UK, like Arthurian legends, and stories up through WW2. After that, it all goes a bit quiet.

    9. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by mike2R · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what's culturally british? ruling at the barrel of a gun for a century, poaching wildlife to extinction, or collapsing stable democracies so that you can rape a country of its natural resources?

      Not distinctive enough. That could be American, or Spanish, or Roman or...

      No, culturally British means "badly done cockney accents, in rubbish games that only see the light of day due to my tax money being used to subsidise them."

      You heard it here first.

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    10. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by FinchWorld · · Score: 1
      [quote]I don't think people like the BNP who keep going on about the erosion of British values actually know what those values are.[/quote]

      Given there pretty obvious white supremacy attitudes, I rather think they do know what those old values are.

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    11. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

      Chunky 8-bit porn, loaded on a cassette emulator onto a ZX Spectrum emulator for iPhone.

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    12. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Mr. Troll,

      British != American. Good day to you sir.

    13. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      Oh. I think the people at the BNP know exactly what those values were. This is lets not forget a group of people that won't let people who aren't white join and think that everyone else should eventually be kicked out of Britain. I wouldn't be surprised if a substantial fraction of the BNP consider the claim that the British invented concentration camps to be a bragging point.

    14. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by TheP4st · · Score: 1
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    15. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Hey, we wiped entire races off the map and built our entire economic base on the backs of slave laborers. Among many other things. Don't start a how-deplorable-is-our-history match you can't win.

      The world will be a better place without the American empire too, but don't tell that to Obama supporters who consider repairing our reputation to be the solution Bushism, rather than ending the imperialism that defined it.

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    16. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by MetaPhyzx · · Score: 1

      I thought that was culturally Irish? :P

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    17. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by sqldr · · Score: 1

      Well, to distinguish between British and American empires, the British would use the barrel of a gun to create democracies, rather than attack them and replace them with dictators. Also, the British would at least be down to earth enough to call it an empire.

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    18. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by david.given · · Score: 1

      I think the people at the BNP know exactly what those values were.

      Yes --- depressingly, you are quite right... I'll amend my statement to: I don't think people who vote BNP know what the values are.

    19. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by sqldr · · Score: 2, Informative

      the slavery..

      ..the attacks on American slave ships, 60 years after Britain abolished it..

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    20. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but that's not just British culture, it is unfortunately world culture. I haven't heard that the Brits have ever collapsed a stable democracy... but if anyone can, it's them :-)

      Apart from out and out conquest, has anyone managed to destroy a stable democracy?

    21. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      It's pretty much culturally Northern European, possibly because of the long winter nights.

      Britain has problems with too many people (sometimes young teenagers) getting very drunk, very often, and either being violent or ill.
      (evidence: the need for this.)

    22. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by wjousts · · Score: 2, Funny

      what's culturally british?

      Binge drinking.

      With vandalizing a bus shelter mini-game.

    23. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I'm a brit and I'd tend to agree with him. No-one ever made a global empire of nearly a quarter of the world just by tucking into some jam and scones at high tea. Pretty much every empire has revolved around some clever technological invention, followed swiftly by a bunch of people acting like cnuts and using said invention to clobber a load of people into submission.

      "Culturally British" is one of those stupidly ambiguous terms that can generally mean whatever you want it to though. Every country has some heinous atrocity in its past that you could say was "cultural", similarly every country has good qualities. My identity of british "culture" is tolerance and acceptance of people (even those who aren't brandishing very sharp slices of mango), but I'm sure there's plenty of people, especially brits and americans, who'd scoff at that.

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    24. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by gintoki · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah.....thats too old. Games need to be edgy these days. You know...so all the youth actually buy it. I suggest a sandbox game where you play as a 15 year old. The game will involve binge drinking, turf wars with other local gangs (all made up of 11-19 year olds). Then you just gotta add chavs and its done. Almost forgot...the side quests will involve "happy slapping". you regain health by eating British food such as curry and kebabs.

    25. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      what's culturally british? ruling at the barrel of a gun for a century, poaching wildlife to extinction, or collapsing stable democracies so that you can rape a country of its natural resources?

      Nah, that's not culturally British, the Americans do it too.

    26. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Zeussy · · Score: 1

      Binge Drinking is many things, but not +5 Insightful. More like -1 ASBO

    27. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The British Empire was a lot larger, meaner, and around for a lot longer than the "American Empire". A few thousand dead Indians, a couple million black slaves and a little bit of Middle-East taunting is practically saint-like compared to what the Angles got up to.

    28. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Ah, there's the title for the culturally-British edition of "Bully": "Bully: Anti-Social Behavior Order".

    29. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      I really hope most of the BNP's voters are actually just protest voting. For your sake.

    30. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 1

      Let's just say I'm pretty sure this video game wouldn't get a tax break...

      Does anyone else remember the commercial for Hedley & Wyche from Saturday Night Live?

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    31. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by david.given · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you go look at the election results, you'll see that the BNP only did very slightly better this election as they did last election --- the only reason they got seats was because so many Labour voters protest voted by going elsewhere (and, mostly, not the BNP). But that's okay, you can continue to feel smug and self-righteous if you like. You obviously know best...

    32. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      What about Hellsing?

      Oh, right, that's Japanese. I still thought of sending a copy to the Queen of England to watch if she's ever feeling down though.

      "May God and Her Majesty the Queen bless you. Amen."

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    33. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Passing laws in Parliament so you can say that you did all the above legally!

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    34. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Like, say, Cooking Mama: British Edition

      Use the Wii remote to drop the beef into the boiling water! 3...2...1... Go! Done! You win! Game over.

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    35. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Jim, is that you?

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    36. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by powerlinekid · · Score: 1

      The apple didn't fall far from the tree...

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    37. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Yes, vandalized bus shelters became recently a serious problem in Britain.

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    38. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by wjousts · · Score: 1

      Shocking. Damn kids these days.

    39. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      There are still Native Americans around. Hell my sister in law is Native American.

      Yes we "took" their land, but the reality is military might has been used to conquer and acquire land for all of recorded history. The fact that the Native Americans looked different enough to enforce more of an "us" versus "them" mentality (rather than one group of Chinese annihilating another, or one European group doing the same) doesn't really change the situation. The same exact thing has always happened, and will continue to happen. It's the nature of how large groups work. Despite the whole "share and share alike" mantra we try to teach toddlers, when large groups of people want something that another large group has, they will fight over it, and the stronger group will either take it or maintain control (whichever applies).

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    40. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Yes, there are a some Natives left. I still call genocide.

      That conquest has been a part of human "civilization" for as long as its been recorded hardly changes what I said: the history of the United States is in many ways abhorrent, just like other places, like Britain.

      I find it interesting that you sound like you're almost justifying "might makes right" just because it's an attitude that's been taken so many times. Forgive me if I'm just putting words in your mouth.

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    41. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by sqldr · · Score: 1

      I don't think people like the BNP who keep going on about the erosion of British values actually know what those values are.

      I think, by the fact that you're writing this, that you represent British values, and yet think you're unique. I assume that you're British by the use of the word "we". Well, ME TOO, although. well.. take slavery for an example

      are you a slaver?
      no.. neither am I

      You're not unique for believing this. You're NORMAL, So.. British values in fucking 2009. Please define again. Neither you nor I are responsible for the past. We are only responsible for our own actions. Don't pander to the apologencia. You have done nothing wrong. Just maintain your sense of good.

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    42. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by sqldr · · Score: 1

      Look, you fucking tosser... do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that as a British man, I desire a slave? Given that your country took another 60 years and a civil-fucking-war to establish an abolition. do you think you are responsible for your country's inability to abolish slavery?

      lets get down to some basics. You don't have any slaves, and you don't know any slavers. Good! Grow up.

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    43. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Kittenman · · Score: 1
      Disagree. It's not that the British Empire was not a nice place, it's the world at that time that was pretty rough. The British Empire had it's faults (Irish potato famine is one you missed .. not to mention Northern Ireland, Indian mutiny .....) but it also banned slavery - a huge moneyspinner at the time - fought several oppressive dictatorships for little or no gain (why didn't Britain take over Europe in 1815? or take the peace offered by Hitler in 1940?) and helped sort out the mess in India. Without the Brits, the untouchables' lot would still be intolerable. Rather than just nasty as it is now.

      Read Niall Ferguson's 'Empire' for some more intelligent comment.

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    44. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying "might makes right", and if your position is simply that we're just as bad then that's fine. I just don't think that the US's treatment of the Native Americans is particularly different from what has happened countless other times to different groups. It'd be like calling a politician on not keeping a campaign promise and going haywire over it. Sure it might be underhanded and bad, but in reality tons of others have done the same thing, and will keep doing the same thing.

      And in the end, I refuse to hang my head in shame or worry about what my ancestors did. I never killed a Native American, nor did I ever own a slave. Indeed (as I mentioned) my brother married a Native American - ethnically only - she's more concerned with having the latest Vera Bradley handbag than with anything culturally traditional, but still. One of my great grandmothers was a Native American (I look too white to tell anybody that with a straight face though - my hair is blond for goodness sakes). I simply let the past be the past and go on with my life.

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    45. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      Probably neither you or the GP have a firm grasp of history. For the GP: British rule was typically liberal, wildlife hunting under a few European wealthy hunters did not deplete wildlife, the British did not collapse stable democracies anywhere (although the Americans, who are related, did collapse a few stable dictatorships and tottering democracies), nor did they anywhere rape a country of its natural resources. British private companies did do many of these things, as private companies everywhere have always done and still do -- in that respect, nothing's new, and you may blame everyone equally.

      As for the parent, there are no instances of British ethnic cleansing or genocide (though you will find instances for virtually every other colonial empire, including the Americans -- perhaps not the Belgians, although Leopold on his own did), they ended rather than began slavery -- I know the Indian and Ireland famines are claimed by some disgruntled historians to be genocides, but that's a fringe view. The were wars started to gain political favour, as past centuries were very warlike, but they did at least typically have the advantage of leaving a better administration in their wake (read: one with less suffering and better rights) than before. There was no systematic disregard for human life, at least any such disregard was less than was typical of the era, for any given era you care to name. Regard for human life is never perfect, it is a slowly improving thing, and it is pretty imperfect today for that matter. Bigotry? The British were rather racist, as was most of the world, but they didn't follow up on it by persecuting minorities -- unlike the KKK you cite, or the French or the Germans. And the South African concentration camps in fact housed British subjects and also Boers; they were underquipped and there was great suffering (not more than typical for a warring company at the time, check out death rates in a typical Army barracks for any country at the time -- American civil war records are well-kept), though they were never forced-labour or extermination camps, as what we later came to think of as concentration camps were. These wrongs were righted due to the campaigning of Emily Hobhouse. As Robert Burns said "For never but by British hands // Maun British wrangs be righted".

      I'm not British or American or interested in Britain today, but I am keenly interested in history. It's rather shoddily taught today and everyone spouts the prefabricated opinions that are fashionable, as you and the GP did. The British Empire was not a nice place, because the world was not a nice place, and frankly it still isn't. But the Empire was the most progressive and actually had the military and economic aegis to back its liberality up. The passing of its rule and the taking of the helm by America plunged the world into a more chaotic time, characterised by a quite different type of relationship of the wealthy to the poor. What used to happen? British or European companies would set up shop somewhere where good profits were to be made, inevitably sparking some protest and violence due to their practices. Britain would intervene: invade or colonise, unless there was an anti-imperialist government at home. They colonised and built up well and liberally (by comparison) administered areas all over the world, spreading the values of the English enlightenment with good Victorian administration and science. What happens today? Big companies set up shop somewhere where good profits are to be made, inevitably sparking protest or violence due to their practices. America intervenes and bears pressure on the government to keep quiet, or even topples it if it is very contrary. I do hope you don't call that an improvement! The only improvements the global poor have seen have been passive: due to non-governmental initiatives and the gradual diffusion of technology and wealth.

      So what were British values, the ones that sustained the Empire, in practice and not in myth? The values of private individual

    46. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Alright, but that same rule never seems to apply when people want to talk about how great and proud our history is.

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    47. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      I don't think people like the BNP who keep going on about the erosion of British values actually know what those values are.

      Yeah they do: British values means having better publicity than the Germans.

    48. Re:what's defined as culturally british? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Yes we "took" their land, but the reality is military might has been used to conquer and acquire land for all of recorded history.

      And that makes it OK, does it?

  4. Ni! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ni!

    1. Re:Ni! by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Does that run on the Nii?

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  5. Spot o' tea, guvnah? by fractoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's interesting that the tax breaks are for games with a British cultural setting, rather than simply being for British game development companies. I'm sure that a predominantly British development team will by its very nature develop games with a bit of a British bent to them.

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    1. Re:Spot o' tea, guvnah? by master5o1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hopefully British style humour would come under 'culturally British'

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    2. Re:Spot o' tea, guvnah? by Goffee71 · · Score: 1

      More Monty Python games could be a good thing

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    3. Re:Spot o' tea, guvnah? by Antidamage · · Score: 1

      Now that you mention it, you're absolutely right. Back in the Amiga days when a large number of game titles were coming out of the UK they displayed their local influences quite strongly. These days games are a little more Americanised, regardless of where they were developed. Surely the American matket doesn't represent the whole demographic.

    4. Re:Spot o' tea, guvnah? by master5o1 · · Score: 1

      So in the game one might come across a guard while on their quest for the Holy Grail. One might be able to:

      a) Shout incessantly, arguing about whether coconuts migrate.
      b) Discuss the physical limitations as to why a Swallow wouldn't be able to carry a coconut.
      c) Discuss whether it is an African or European Swallow carrying the coconut.
      d) Theorise whether it could be two Swallows carrying the coconut?
      e) All of the above?

      Hmm...I definitely shouldn't be making games, quizes, maybe, but games? Nope.

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    5. Re:Spot o' tea, guvnah? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Because it's about promoting the British culture, not about helping out British industry.

      The games are to be tools of education/propaganda (depending on your viewpoint), promote the british values/(brainwash) and the fact the game was made in GB by the British, means nothing if it doesn't do what the government would like to see it do.

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    6. Re:Spot o' tea, guvnah? by Devalia · · Score: 1

      Telltales new games, Wallace and Gromit, would probably count - I've never been a huge fan of the tv series/movie but they seem to be something of a cultural icon here.

  6. Coming soon for the Wii... by s0litaire · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Wii British" series of games including:

    Pub Brawl

    Use you Wii-remote as either a beer glass or chair and attack as many fellow pub drinkers, as possible...

    Or

    Soccer riots:

    The worlds first multiplayer FPR (First person rioting) game....

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    1. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Soccer riots ???

      I think you'll find you meant to say "Football"

    2. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by s0litaire · · Score: 1

      I was taking into account Non-UK readers (who would probably moan that to them "football" is a game of wimpy men in padding trying to grab each others oddly shaped ball...)

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    3. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soccer riots

      They don't have "Soccer" in Britain! Football riots, please!

    4. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Of course we have Soccer in Britain. It's a British word FFS.
      When I was a kid, all the comics wrote about Soccer, not Football, and that was before most of America knew what it was.
      Now just because the yanks have adopted the word it's considered unbritish. Crazy.

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    5. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In them days we was glad to have an oddly shaped ball.

    6. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Canazza · · Score: 1

      Or a game like this: Games like this?

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    7. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Non-UK readers"? Let me guess, you're an American... The rest of the world calls it football, very few countries apart from the US call it "soccer".

    8. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      I never did understand why the American "football" rarely involves a foot. I know it is descended from football, but so is rugby, and no-one calls that football.

      But in all seriousness, a "rugby" game would be British I would think.

      As we say here "Football is a gentleman's game played by ruffians and rugby is a ruffian's game played by gentlemen". Rugby players and fans typically celebrate with each other after a game (hence another saying, "my drinking team has a rugby problem"), where football fans have to be kept apart by the police...

    9. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by One+Monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Football" as a term derives from the fact that the game was played on foot, as opposed to from the back of a horse.

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    10. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't you mean US readers rather than non UK
      since everyone except the US knows that football is a game with a ball that you play with your feet

    11. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      That would make some kind of sense, but the little internet research I've just done says that that is only a theory, and the true origin is unknown.

    12. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I'm already outfitting my developers in 19th-century street urchin clothing. We'll be swimming in shillings in no time!

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    13. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Probably the same reason we use the term "golf" and not the more logical "Clubball."

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    14. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another thing worth noting is that the RFU (Rugby Football Union) were considering increasing the size of the glass used to hold beer at a Rugby match to two pints, so spectators didn't have to visit the bar as often during the match. Meanwhile, selling alcohol at any Football match in the UK is illegal. Nicely deliniates the two sports, doesn't it :)

    15. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Now just because the yanks have adopted the word it's considered unbritish. Crazy.

      Crazy, yes, but also a long-standing tradition of spiting America through language. It began when the Brits were embarrassed by being unable to stop the colonial revolt, so they decided to start spelling "color" with a 'u' and acting like that was the proper way to spell it all along.

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    16. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      I never did understand why the American "football" rarely involves a foot. I know it is descended from football, but so is rugby, and no-one calls that football.

      But in all seriousness, a "rugby" game would be British I would think.

      As we say here "Football is a gentleman's game played by ruffians and rugby is a ruffian's game played by gentlemen". Rugby players and fans typically celebrate with each other after a game (hence another saying, "my drinking team has a rugby problem"), where football fans have to be kept apart by the police...

      Rugby doesn't involve much kicking of the ball either, and contrary to your assertion it is actually called rugby football in officialdom and is administered by the Rugby 'Football' Union (except for Rugby League, of course). It has a little bit more kicking than American Football, but still not much. American football is a derivative of rugby, rugby is not a derivative of soccer - the kicking game was codified first by the FA, the carrying game was later codified by the RFU. The Irish kicking and carrying style of game was codified as Gaelic Football by the GAA, and that had an influence on the early development of Australian Rules Football.

      There are many codes of football in the world, but only soccer predominantly uses the foot to deliver the ball. The reason it's called 'football' has nothing to do with the kicking action. In days of yore, games were played by the nobles on horseback. Games were played by the peasants on foot. Hence, 'foot' ball.

      Those games would have been similar to the Cornish custom of hurling the silver ball, mad chaotic events involving huge crowds similar to continental festivals like the running of the bulls in Pamplona. The object of the game would have varied from region to region, but would have usually involved trying to get the ball into the neigbouring village or past some agreed landmark. More here.

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    17. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Someone beat you to it, and said it a little more concisely: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1273083&cid=28372475

      You look like you just googled it and copied the resulting text into a Slashdot post.

      More accurately, "soccer" (apparently derives from "association" (football) somehow), rugby (football) and (American) football all derive from a common game called "football" which had no real rules except involving a ball and being on foot, with millions of different variations. "Rugby football" being the Rugby school rules version of football. Which makes my statement about rugby deriving from football correct if taken literally, but not how I meant it (as I was referring to soccer).

      Also, despite the number of people who content that "football" is derived from "on foot" and "involving a ball", apparently that's just a theory, and the real origin is lost to time.

    18. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      You look like you just googled it and copied the resulting text into a Slashdot post.

      Excuse me, I wrote the linked article.

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    19. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      Good for you.

    20. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How old are you? I'm 38 and have no recollection of this.

      Not that I disbelieve you. The OED says it's late 19th century.

    21. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

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    22. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      The word 'soccer' is certainly of 19th century origin: it comes from public school slang, where it apparently derived from 'Association football', by analogy with 'Rugby football' which is often nicknamed 'rugger'.

      It was used from time to time in the UK, although generally less frequently than 'football'; the best measure would probably be to dig up some Roy of the Rovers back issues and count the relative frequency of each, and I'm pretty sure 'football' would be far away in the lead. Thing is, it's only been in the last decade or so with the rise of the Internet that the majority of English-speaking football supporters have had any regular day-to-day contact with Americans, so it's only in that time that 'soccer' has been seen as an Americanism rather than as a nickname for 'football'.

      It's still used, normally now for alliterative purposes when composing a headline for a newspaper, or a title for a TV show: 'Soccer Superstar Sold for £stupid money' perhaps, or the highlights show 'Soccer Special' - on Sky. You definitely don't see it as often as you used to though.

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    23. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      I'm 60. ;)
      Colloquially we always called it footy, but comics and toys liked the word Soccer a lot. "Soccer strips", "Subbuteo table soccer", etc.

      The main point is that Americanism is a false call in this case. They didn't give the word to us; we gave it to them.

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    24. Re:Coming soon for the Wii... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheers. Now you mention it, I do remember "Soccer strips" and "Subbuteo table soccer". The problem here seems to be my memory (or my recall, anyway). Oh dear.

  7. I dunno, it could be done by others by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    I dunno, I can see how it could be done. Say, have the next The Sims expansion pack have tea and crumpets as a food, and have the sim run for the House Of Commons at the end of the politics career track :p

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  8. I think they might have some trouble... by Caustic+Soda · · Score: 1

    It's a bit difficult to make an entertaining game based on bad porn, worse teeth and warm beer.

    1. Re:I think they might have some trouble... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      It's a bit difficult to make an entertaining game based on bad porn, worse teeth and warm beer.

      Really? I'm already entertained by the mere thought of such a game. :)

    2. Re:I think they might have some trouble... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real Ale has its fans (CAMRA).
      The teeth is a northern thing. Apart from Janet Street Porter.
      And since 2002 the pron is great (at least the actors have not had their genitals mutilated like in the USA).

    3. Re:I think they might have some trouble... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      And since 2002 the pron is great (at least the actors have not had their genitals mutilated like in the USA).

      What happened in 2002?

      (And, at least the general male population hasn't had their genitals mutilated like in the USA.)

  9. Big Brother 2014 by gringer · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How about a game where you get to go around the streets of Britain shooting video cameras and avoiding the thought police?

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    1. Re:Big Brother 2014 by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ohhhh, I could see a Hitman sequel against that backdrop!

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    2. Re:Big Brother 2014 by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about a game where you get to go around the streets of Britain shooting video cameras and avoiding the... police?

      Make it a third-person shooter where that view originates from those very same cameras. (Or would that be a second-person shooter?) You get first-person view only when you've destroyed all the cameras that could see you. When you walk into another's view, you're suddenly third-person again. Except for the hidden cameras, of which you see their perspective only when you're looking straight at them (as your sight glances over them you get a blink of the other perspective as a hint).

      Also, you don't get to start with a gun. Not even a throwing knife. You have to start with rocks, and chuck them when the cameras pan off you so as to avoid detection. As you get better, you get better weaponry (slingshot, etc., moving up to faster weaponry), while the cameras get more vigilant and more actively trying to catch you in the act. Eventually you start gaining control over the cameras, scoping ahead of you, as well as being able to loop their feeds (becoming a sort of cross between the remote stealth game "Hacker II: The Doomsday Papers" and "Operator's Side", but without the frustrating voice control of the latter). As authorities move in, you have to be more selective about cameras you disable so that you can spy on their positions.

      I'm liking this more and more. But there needs to be some gray about it all, even turning dark, such as, as you advance in abilities and the need to protect yourself and the allies you've made, you start to wonder if you're really fighting against the surveillance or becoming Big Brother yourself.

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  10. Hmmmm.... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So making a map for a FPS where you trash the London subways instead of some other town's might qualify? Just curious...

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    1. Re:Hmmmm.... by will_die · · Score: 1

      Fallout 4:London Wasteland would be a great!
      On the bad side it could mean people duplicate games like Hellgate:london

    2. Re:Hmmmm.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      When I heard "Hellgate:London" I thought "Huh? They're making a game about connecting in Heathrow now?"

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    3. Re:Hmmmm.... by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think that's far from the truth.

      What people seem to be missing is that so many games out there right now are full of American culture, to the point they perhaps don't even realise it.

      A culturally British game may simply be a game like any other where you drive on the left hand side of the road and road signs are British, where accents are British, where things are spelt in a British way, where food is British (fish and chips!), where vehicles are those commonly driven in Britain, where you get chased by the met, SO19 or SOCA rather than the cops, SWAT or the FBI.

      This would differ from many current games where vehicles are often American, accents are American, food is American, laws are American and so on.

      People seem to be spinning this as some kind of racist point of view but quite the opposite, what they seem to be trying to do is bring more diversity to gaming and I don't think it's just the British that should do this. I actually like the idea of playing a game that's themed in a different way than the most common American style. In games where they have been themed in a different part of the world I have actually learnt something about those cultures in the process of playing through - even if it's just learning the name of a new type of food that's used as a health pickup in said game.

      Adding a bit of cultural diversity might actually allow kids playing these games to learn that there are other cultures out there than just the ones defined by game developers as the FBI chasing, burger eating games we have now that are often used by game developers to portray the American setting we're commonly handed.

      I can't help but think it might be quite fun to race round the streets of downtown bombay or whatever with a completely different style of everything from clothing to accents rather than driving round Manhattan etc. all the time. There is nothing wrong with your usual American stylised games, they in themselves are good - but a bit of a change wouldn't hurt now and again.

    4. Re:Hmmmm.... by Kamineko · · Score: 1
      I suggest The Getaway: Black Monday, by SCE London Studio!

      It's a third person shooter set in (the actual) London.

      You get to run around the London Underground as an SO19 (like SWAT) police officer with an MP5 assault rifle shooting bad guys.

    5. Re:Hmmmm.... by caluml · · Score: 1

      Do you know it's actually forbidden to take pictures on the London Underground unless you have a permit (which you have to buy)? I was shocked to hear that, so I looked it up, and it's true.

    6. Re:Hmmmm.... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Do you know it's actually forbidden to take pictures on the London Underground unless you have a permit (which you have to buy)? I was shocked to hear that, so I looked it up, and it's true.

      I don't know where you looked it up, but the official policy is
      "If you are just passing through, you shouldn't have a problem taking personal snaps, souvenir shots etc, although you must NOT use flash or lights on any of our platforms."

    7. Re:Hmmmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right about the official policy (same on mainline rail AFAIK) and the staff probably know this, but in London (possibly some other large cities) if they see you, the police will probably question you and order you to delete the pictures, even though they are exceeding their legal powers. And don't even think of trying to openly photograph a policeman (unless you want to be arrested DNA'd, fingerprinted and released without charge 6-24hrs later).

      You could try carrying a copy of the official TFL policy but this is probably likely to make things worse for you. One thing that enrages most British police more than anything is to be shown to be in the wrong (on the other hand, some respond well to creeping around them 'politely' and sincere-sounding apologies - I've got out of a couple of minor motoring offences this way, e.g. red light, where they had me 'bang-to-rights').

      Best thing if you want to shoot in London without either getting arrested or losing your pics is probably to take a couple of shots, partly eject the memory card, take a couple on the small internal memory and alternate, ensuring the card is pushed home if a policeman approaches. Then you can delete the pics on the memory card and he won't be bright enough to get you to eject it and check the internal memory. Or delete the pics, don't shoot any more on that card and recover them later (reliably, with a simple utility, if it's a FAT32 card).

    8. Re:Hmmmm.... by caluml · · Score: 1
      Your link didn't work for me - but this looks fairly clear to me.

      Any individual or film production company wanting to film or take photographs on the Tube must seek prior permission from the London Underground (LU) Film Office.

      There are three types of permit:

      * Student or non-professional
      * Two-hour
      * Location

      All permit requests must be made in writing, preferably via one of our application forms. You can start an online application now.

      It looks like it's about £300 to take pictures.

    9. Re:Hmmmm.... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Stupid site...

      Click the link, click "Search Common Questions", "Tube", "Do I need permission to film or take photographs on the tube?" and you'll see this:

      Do I need permission to film or take photographs on the tube?

      If you are just passing through, you shouldn't have a problem taking personal snaps, souvenir shots etc, although you must NOT use flash or lights on any of our platforms.

      However, if you want to spend more than 10-15 minutes at any one station videoing or taking photos, or if they are for professional use, you MUST have a permit.

      (Someone who works for Network Rail told me flash and lights are forbidden because lights are used for various emergency hand signals on the railway -- for the same reason, bicycle lights must be switched off before entering a station.)

  11. Goodthink by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    Oh good! I am glad that Ingsoc is finally instituting rewards for goodthink. How else are we going to protect our precious culture from such harmful influences as freedom of expression, creativity, and uncensored foreign broadcasts?

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  12. Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I may well get modded to hell for this, but...

    With xenophobic/nationalist ways of looking at society like this - that $YOUR_NATIONAL_IDENTITY is under attack, threatened of being diluted into oblivion - being mainstream, it's a lot easier to understand how the rhetoric of the fascist British National Party - and its analogues elsewhere in Europe - could have appealed to so many voters in recent elections.

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    1. Re:Xenophobia by The+Standard+Deviant · · Score: 1

      Apparently the reason the BNP managed to get seats in the recent elections was not because the number of votes for them had increased - it was due to disillusioned Labour supporters not turning out to vote at all, so the BNP's proportion of the vote increased.

    2. Re:Xenophobia by FourthAge · · Score: 1

      Having your own national identity is racist? Around the world, many people would find that comment insulting. Only in Britain could you expect such a comment to go unchallenged. Many people are proud of their cultural background.

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    3. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Having your own national identity is racist?

      Actually, you could make a case that nationalism is inseparable from racism... but that's not at all what I said.

      Only in Britain could you expect such a comment to go unchallenged.

      Which comment? Mine? I'm not British (though I'm ethnically British enough to join the BNP!) or in Britain.

      Many people are proud of their cultural background.

      Which is perfectly fine. When that extends to contempt for other cultures, or a desire to preserve the holy purity of your own, is when it becomes a problem.

      Of course, the real question is not *what* (culture), but *who* (are you trying to put down)?

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    4. Re:Xenophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying "there can be no national identity and we all have to adapt to one culture" is equally xenophobe.

      Well, I for one think it is a bad thing that national identities get diluted into oblivion. Also, I think the same proposition, if made by a US senator, would be applauded here. Affairs of national identity are usually ripe with hypocrisy. Anyway, I digress ...

      I'm not even British but I like the idea. I'd love to see unique games with diverse cultural identities. It's utterly boring uniform crap that gets released these days; be it movies or games. What's so great about one multi-cultural soup? Nationalities and cultures are interesting. Otherwise you'll just end up with one uniform piece of monotony.

    5. Re:Xenophobia by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      True, but they still got close to a million votes. 2% of the electorate may not be huge but it's not totally insignificant either.

    6. Re:Xenophobia by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Hm... just because you say "I may well get modded to hell" doesn't mean you don't deserve it.

      Overreaction much? It's just a tax break to promote local art. Happens all the time in fields other than games, and it's done so that you don't have all your local talent chasing the international (biggest) market and genericising their content so that it's not interesting any more. This is xenaphobic how?

    7. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Saying "there can be no national identity and we all have to adapt to one culture" is equally xenophobe.

      Well, no, it's not. You should look up that word in the dictionary. ;)

      But, of course, I know what you meant, and it's not untrue, but it is a strawman argument. I didn't say anything that advocated the suppression of any culture, including $YOUR_NATIONAL_IDENTITY. But this idea of your (dominant) culture being under attack, in need of protection, cannot be judged out of context, purely in the abstract.

      Also, I think the same proposition, if made by a US senator, would be applauded here.

      By many, certainly. It's just as bad here (which is only hidden because our system won't allowed non-mainstream parties a chance). I don't know all the details about British politics, but there are far more blatantly xenophobic ideas being thrown around in this country than the one discussed in TFA - for instance, the movement to make English the official language.

      I'd love to see unique games with diverse cultural identities.

      Absolutely. I love culture.

      What's so great about one multi-cultural soup? Nationalities and cultures are interesting. Otherwise you'll just end up with one uniform piece of monotony.

      What evidence have you ever seen of that supposed threat being real? Here in the Bay Area, I'm swimming in multiculturalism and would probably suffocate in a more homogeneous environment.

      Again, it's all about context. Is Anglo culture under attack, or does this rallying against the invaders - the downtrodden from poorer countries - serve some other socio-political purpose?

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    8. Re:Xenophobia by Inda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish you hadn't used the word 'fascist'.

      The protesters, who are trying to outlaw the BNP, and their political ways, should be judged as fascists. Tell me that outlawing political parties, who recieved 2% of the vote, is not a starting step towards fascism.

      I can't stand the Labour government, but I would want being a member of the party to be a criminal offence.

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    9. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Hm... just because you say "I may well get modded to hell" doesn't mean you don't deserve it.

      It was making a sincere point. My goal wasn't to incite anger, even if I knew I was risking it.

      Overreaction much? It's just a tax break to promote local art. ... This is xenaphobic how?

      It isn't necessarily, in the abstract. And perhaps I was implying that conclusion a bit too strongly with the subject line ("Xenophobia") I used. But, as I said in my other replies above, this has to be taken in context. In this case, you've got people in Britain advocating a narrative where their society is under attack by foreigners and, in particular, the non-British culture they bring with them. To quote myself above, "Is Anglo culture under attack, or does this rallying against the invaders - the downtrodden from poorer countries - serve some other socio-political purpose?"

      That there's nothing terribly offensive-sounding about this particular proposal was really my point... that it sheds some light on the mental process a person might go through before taking on views like those of the BNP that most people find repulsive.

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    10. Re:Xenophobia by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've just read TFS again and yes, I was right, it does indeed say "culture". It makes no mention of national identity.
      I admire a whole lot of cultures, so why shouldn't I admire the good features of my own?
      But then someone has to come along don't they and judge it to be an insult against Britons with other cultural backgrounds (cultures, incidentally, that I admire just as much as mine, have no problem acknowledging, and which I don't demand merge with my own!).

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    11. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      I wish you hadn't used the word 'fascist'.

      It's a whites-only party that grew out of the British neo-Nazi movement. It's fascist, period. Not being a resident of Britain, I have no opinion on whether the BNP should be outlawed or not, but my bias is against such an action.

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    12. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Well, Mr. O'Hitler, I believe I answered your question once or twice above, already. You're welcome to respond to that.

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    13. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Apparently the reason the BNP managed to get seats in the recent elections was not because the number of votes for them had increased

      As "91degrees" pointed out, they got close to a million votes, which is frighteningly large, whatever the ratio.

      it was due to disillusioned Labour supporters not turning out to vote at all

      Which is hardly a separate issue. That Labour has ceased to represent any sort of left alternative is inseparable from the growing appeal of the BNP's right alternative.

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    14. Re:Xenophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Common misconception. Both Labour and the BNP are hard left, not centre or right-wing. Both see Government as an engine for social change. There are major differences in immigration policy and attitudes to Eurofederalism, but these can be characterised as the difference between national socialism (BNP) and international socialism (Labour). Labour have failed because of their crazy socialist policies, most notably their recent interference in the markets - not because they have "become right wing". Incidentally, it is their attempts at leftist social engineering that have been most off-putting to Labour voters, who no longer feel represented and have either stopped voting or switched to the BNP.

    15. Re:Xenophobia by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

      That Labour has ceased to represent any sort of left alternative is inseparable from the growing appeal of the BNP's right alternative.

      You should clarify what you mean by "left" and "right".

      The BNP have left-wing economic policies. They are similar to those of the Green Party, except the BNP add "if you're white" to everything. (So, free university (if you're white), and better public transport, and an emphasis on local manufacturing/consumption, social welfare, NHS, etc).

      The BNP has right-wing social policies (freedoms, etc), pretty much the opposite of the Green Party.

      You might find this interesting: http://politicalcompass.org/

    16. Re:Xenophobia by FourthAge · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your original post strongly implied that support for "British culture" was closely related to support for the BNP, which is incorrect.

      The case, "nationalism = racism" has come up before, and in England it is official policy, something which many English people find insulting. The Welsh and Scottish cultural history is celebrated and preserved, as are the cultures of recent immigrants, but the English are mischaracterised as racists if they show any national pride. For example, if you display the traditional St George flag (red cross on white background), people will tend to assume you are a BNP supporter. Display the Scottish flag and you're regarded as a proud Scotsman. It frustrates me that supposed "intellectuals" regard this as right and proper, never questioning the groupthink. Hence I try to challenge that attitude wherever I see it.

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    17. Re:Xenophobia by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      My response is I completely fail to see anything xenophobic about this particular subject, and I'm as vehemently anti-xenophobe as anyone you're likely to meet.
      But yes, I can see how newspapers like the Daily Mail might get hold of it and twist it into a xeno issue.

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    18. Re:Xenophobia by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, some organisations already ban BNP membership (police, teachers etc). I hope that now they have another elected representative the other parties will deal with the issues they raise -- perhaps by explaining the benefits of EU membership and immigration.

      After the EU election the main politicians just said "oh, people voted BNP as a protest vote, they don't understand their policies". I know someone who voted BNP, and she won't be winning any awards for political awareness any time soon, but she was fully aware that the BNP was racist ("so am I") and wanted to kick all the non-British people out of the country ("back where they fucking came from").

      (The people protesting against Labour and the EU voted UKIP (UK Independence Party), which did very well, but wants the UK have a relationship with other European countries like Switzerland or Norway.)

      (For the record, I voted Green.)

    19. Re:Xenophobia by Roxton · · Score: 1

      Both Labour and the BNP are hard left, not centre or right-wing. Both see Government as an engine for social change.

      Don't think you can redefine the political spectrum to find a clear-cut home for your purity-in-inaction philosophy. Hard-line nationalism and all that it entails has long been considered a far-right phenomenon.

    20. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Of course support for "British culture" is closely related to support for the BNP. If you mean that I implied that the two go hand-in-hand, it's not. What I meant is that this is an example of how ideas the form the basis of BNP ideology (defense of British culture) can become mainstream. The difference may sound nuanced, but it's important.

      As for why those in Scotland or Ireland expressing the need to preserve their culture is likely different from a British person doing the same thing, you obviously need to look at their separate histories. The question isn't "is expressing the need to preserve your national identity good or bad?", the question is "what does that expression really mean?" Context is everything.

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    21. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      That's the power of fascist ideology. It appeals to people's desire for fundamental change, even employing the rhetoric of socialism, with appeals to all the backwards elements lurking in established ideology (openly or hidden) - racism, nationalism, monarchy, church, etc..

      If your state is threatened by revolution, like, say, Germany was in the early 20th century, a promise of radical change becomes necessary to preserve the status quo. Not that that describes modern-day Britain, but it's a nice trump card.

      (Yes, I'm a socialist)

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    22. Re:Xenophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with the point you are trying to make. Being from the USA and able to trace my ancestors to just about every European country, I don't really feel I have a cultural identity and the American identity I try and hold on to does feel like it is under attack. I don't like it but the alternatives strike me as worse.
      What really gets me is that when a majority tries to defend their identity they are called Xenophobic when a minority does it no one cares. I wish I had a solution, instead I'm just going to go kiss my Indian girlfriend and not worry about it.

    23. Re:Xenophobia by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Well, left-alternative to what exactly? What's so wrong with current-day Britain that an overarching (further-than-status-quo) leftist ideology is needed to fix it?

    24. Re:Xenophobia by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      But he actually has a point. Economic policy, social liberty policy, and nationality policy are three separate dimensions, and sticking a party onto the "far-X" where X is left or right solely because of its position on one of three independent scales doesn't really make sense. In fact, I dare say it serves no greater purpose than giving mainstream politicians an excuse to stay away from the issues raised by such a party having a decently large voting base: "Oh, we can't address the dilution of our culture or the leeching of our social services, that's far-right-wing and racist." Yes, the BNP is racist and even getting near fascist, but only by separating the real issues that BNP voters are trying to voice from the racism can the political mainstream thwart the BNP. Denying those issues simply gives people more incentive and excuse to vote for an officially racist party.

    25. Re:Xenophobia by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Only in Europe is nationalism considered as backwards as racism.

    26. Re:Xenophobia by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

      The thing that is weird is, why does anyone have to be bribed to make culturally British games? If indeed they do.

      My guess is, this is going to be a "More money for stuff we were going to do anyway" kind of law.

      I mean will Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Narnia games qualify? How about 40k based games...

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    27. Re:Xenophobia by mqduck · · Score: 1

      *You* may not see a need for "current-day Britain" to change, but there's obvious a lot of voters who do. I'm hardly an expert on their exact reasons, but what I do know is that Labour long ago gave up any pretense of anticapitalism.

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    28. Re:Xenophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your cultural background includes the people and cultures of at least 20 other nations over the course of 600 years, to the point of integrating them in our society, language and cuisine - Yes, it is racist to focus on the white protestant version and hold it up as the paragon of 'British'.

      British culture is living breathing entity, that has evolved even where we as humans, have not. If the MP's want more examples of it maybe they should out of their private cars, penthouse apartments and private bars and come join us in living an everyday life in Britain.

      Unfortunately, my own (devolved) government in Scotland is guilty of the same shite. Focusing on tartan, haggis and centuries old hatred instead of seeing what Scotland has become, and could yet become. It's little more than an attempt to re-write history in a search for more propaganda tools, and it is the highest insult to the vast majority of citizens, Native or otherwise.

    29. Re:Xenophobia by master_p · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      What is strange is that people do not realize that the melting of individual cultures into one Earth culture is unavoidable. The explosion of communication all over the globe means breaking down the cultural barriers between countries. Using tax breaks for maintaining one's culture may help the culture survive for a few more years, but the melting is inevitable.

    30. Re:Xenophobia by Roxton · · Score: 1

      Economic policy, social liberty policy, and nationality policy are three separate dimension

      Recognizing your broader point, I would hesitate to call them three separate dimensions in anything but a mechanical sense. Ultimately people subscribe to an ethos, not a set of policies. Like all semantics with the implicit assertion of straightforwardness, employing the right-left spectrum is an act of conceptual violence, but from the perspective of ethos, it has both utility and basis.

      With deference to your point, though, you give the GP a little too much credit.

      Also, I would suggest that promoting a national dialog about the sapping of the system's resources by an underclass would be a total catastrophe.

    31. Re:Xenophobia by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Like all semantics with the implicit assertion of straightforwardness, employing the right-left spectrum is an act of conceptual violence, but from the perspective of ethos, it has both utility and basis.

      Only until you encounter an ethos that doesn't fit the narrow conceptual "chopping off" you've done. Like, for example, the Bastard Nutters Party.

    32. Re:Xenophobia by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      "Anticapitalism" is a completely pointless ideology. If you want to champion a cause, you ought to champion a positive ideology, your own vision for society, rather than defining yourself in terms of what you oppose.

    33. Re:Xenophobia by Roxton · · Score: 1

      Only until you encounter an ethos that doesn't fit the narrow conceptual "chopping off" you've done. Like, for example, the Bastard Nutters Party.

      Right, hence the "conceptual violence." =) All models are wrong. Some models are useful.

    34. Re:Xenophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, some organisations already ban BNP membership (police, teachers etc).

      Can someone who belongs to a party that believes that (say) blacks are inferior, have no right to be in the country and are all a bunch of criminals be suitable to deal impartially with black and white people? When that someone has special legal powers and can easily ruin people's lives?
      The police have a legal duty to treat people equally regardless of race; the BNP are directly opposed to this principle. This is what sets them apart from other parties.
      It's like me asking to train as a priest when I am also an avowed atheist - I wouldn't expect to even be considered. Or a man who belongs to the 'all child sex laws should be repealed party' (yes, such organizations do exist) applying for a job in a primary school.
      In none of these case is the person's opinion on that subject or party membership illegal as such. But it makes them completely unsuitable for those specific jobs.

  13. Corruption! by Goffee71 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Expense fiddling - the game

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    1. Re:Corruption! by theodicey · · Score: 1

      SimEstate, now including moat cleaning and stables repair.

    2. Re:Corruption! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      How's that typically british? That's pretty much a global game.

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    3. Re:Corruption! by mike2R · · Score: 2, Informative

      We've got a major scandal over Members of Parliaments expenses going on at present.

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    4. Re:Corruption! by selven · · Score: 1

      the game

      Crap, I lost.

    5. Re:Corruption! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Anyone from a country without one raise your hand please...

      Just because the papers don't make a huge stink about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's just like a murder in New York, it's not news. It's become so common that people simply don't care anymore.

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  14. British by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Funny

    proposal in the recent Digital Britain report to set up tax breaks for developing video games that are culturally British.

    The Sims - Football Hooligans
    EA Sports Cricket 09
    Age Of Former Empires
    Tom Clancy's Surveillance Society

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    1. Re:British by darthvader100 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Where are mod points when you need them... FYI EA Sports cricket 09 DOES exist(at least in SA)

    2. Re:British by theodicey · · Score: 2, Informative

      EA Sports Cricket is very real.

      And you know, football hooligans might even get me to play a Sims game.

    3. Re:British by Grr · · Score: 1

      The Sims - Football Hooligans

      Close enough?

    4. Re:British by bn-7bc · · Score: 0

      Godon Brown: how many ministers did yuo lose to day = Govenment simulator
      Well that is mor current events but why not?

    5. Re:British by mqduck · · Score: 1

      And just what the hell is Cricket? A marvelous game, really. You see, the bowler hurls the ball toward the batter who tries to play away a fine leg. He endeavors to score by dashing between the creases, provided the wicket keeper hasn't whipped his bails off, of course.

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    6. Re:British by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      As does EA Sports Rugby, at least here across the pond.

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    7. Re:British by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    8. Re:British by jd · · Score: 1

      I think they now say Cricket was invented in Holland or some other foreign country where they can't possibly make tea right.

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    9. Re:British by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comand and Conquer - Ireland, Scotland and Wales

      Counter Strike with headbuts instead of knife kills.
      The pause button could be marked "Tea break"
      Fish & chips would be added to the cooking recipes in world of warcraft

    10. Re:British by Megane · · Score: 1

      The Sims: Chavtastic

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  15. Is it me or is slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    becoming more Brit bashing by the day?

    1. Re:Is it me or is slashdot... by xaxa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think there are more frequent articles concerning the UK, which means there are more opportunities, but I think the anti-British comments were worse a couple of years ago.

    2. Re:Is it me or is slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time was, if you criticised a post for being USA-centred, you got modded to bits "this is a USA site". But it hasn't stopped the posters throwing brickbats at the British government. If you *really* want a storm, try criticising the United States Constitution.

    3. Re:Is it me or is slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up you limey.

  16. More 007 games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool. 'nuff said.

  17. Some ideas by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bertie & Wooster: The Game. Go on a policeman helmet stealing rampage, do whatever your servant tells you to do while avoiding getting married.

    Battlefield: British Colonies. Take control of Africa and East Asia before France does! Beware of the native warriors, some throw very sharp slices of mango!

    Okay that's all I've got, help me out guys!

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    1. Re:Some ideas by clickety6 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bertie & Wooster: The Game.

      The names are Jeeves and Wooster, you cultural philistine ;-)

      Bertie Wooster, or Bertram Wilberforce Wooster to give him his full name, was a single character.

      Having said that, what a great game that could be. As well as stealing the policeman's helmet you could have drive-by hat pinching, Bread Roll Cricket at the Drones Club , Aunt Avoidance, Cow Creamer stealing, Escape the Engagement, Gussie's Newt game, Glossop Hide-and-Seek, and so on...

      top-ho, wot! wot!

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    2. Re:Some ideas by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      The names are Jeeves and Wooster

      Oh yeah crap lol... My cloudy mind be damned!

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    3. Re:Some ideas by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Go on a policeman helmet stealing rampage

      But I wouldn't steal a policeman's helmet!

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    4. Re:Some ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True Crime: London. It would need a special button for the phrase "Get your trousers on, you're nicked"

  18. Wii Want Cricket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This would be the best use of the wii controller ever: http://www.freewebs.com/wiiwantcricket/

  19. Digital Britain to push "culturally British" games by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Informative

    As well as attempting to give the major record companies whatever they want until the end of time, Lord Carter's Digital Britain report includes tax breaks for "culturally British" computer game development.

    Planned games include Couch Warrior ("the goal is to sit playing a game. The graphics are truly horrifying and needed us to go to 3.5-dimensional to fit the player's avatar on the screen"), CCTV Panopticon ("take pictures of the CCTV cameras in your high street until arrested under the Terrorism Act for having your own camera in public"), Bottled Tan Snorter ("get into celebrity magazines and shag footballers, lose points for any sign of intelligence or words of two syllables") and Cynical Apathist ("write outraged blog comments with amusing satires of events of the day while working a job directly keeping the hideous machinery alive and running"). A committee will also form a group to do a study concerning a team to write a ZX Spectrum emulator for the iPhone.

    The games industry has warned in the past that developers are being lured away to other countries by the prospect of being paid more than shit. Conservative Shadow Arts Minister, Ed Vaizey, has leapt upon the opportunity, with promises of incentives for talented developers to stay in Britain and not be lured away by better pay in America. "We'll keep their passports from them until they reach 'Achievement Unlocked.'"

    Having finally released Digital Britain, Lord Carter has resigned from the government and is returning to private industry. "Of course, Digital Britain remains a completely objective assessment of the way forward for the nation in the twenty-first century, and should in no way be thought of as my CV for a series of lucrative consultancies with the large media companies I've just given everything they've ever asked for. And a pony."

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  20. Can't ... resist ... by mattbee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Coming this year:

    * Asbo of the Colossus
    * Big Brain City Academy
    * Turning Point: Fall of (civil) Liberties
    * Nintendogs (poodle edition)
    * Mario & Sonic in "Olympic overspend"
    * House Of The Red (-handed)

    (that's enough British games- ed)

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    1. Re:Can't ... resist ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(that's enough British games- ed)"

      Unless your name is Edward, that last part of your comment was fucking retarded.

    2. Re:Can't ... resist ... by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

      Here, have a *whooosh*.

    3. Re:Can't ... resist ... by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or more likely, he reads Private Eye. Go ahead buy a copy it's the best dead tree publication in the UK

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    4. Re:Can't ... resist ... by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      to further expand on the explanation of the "Private Eye" - "Ed" reference, the satirical articles often go to parodic extremes, traditionally cut short by the intervention of the editor with: "that's enough (insert meme here) - Ed"

    5. Re:Can't ... resist ... by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      * Absolutely FPS
      * X-Men vs. The Young Ones
      * Lord British Strikes Back

    6. Re:Can't ... resist ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no offence mate but you sound just like one of those self important smug tossers on BBC Have your say

  21. Wii binge drinking? by captainpanic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wii binge drinking? Wii pint lifting?

    Bagpipe Hero?

    Or was the plan to play Wii Cricket (probably already exists?)?

    Also cool with new motion sensors: Ministry of Funny Walks - the game.

    1. Re:Wii binge drinking? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The idea of bagpipe hero makes me giggle. Do I really want to imagine the controller?

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    2. Re:Wii binge drinking? by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      Hand in your geek card. It's "Ministry of Silly Walks".

  22. with all the cameras on british streets by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

    Pokemon snap is the most British game of all.

  23. More Culturally British Game Ideas by DynaSoar · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Will any culturally British games get support, or just the ones they're proud of? Here's some more ideas following "Some Ideas" by 4D6963 (933028) above:

    Jallianwala Bagh: 1st person/team shoot-em-up. Can you improve on the score reported in history books? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

    Thanksgiving: Fighting For Your Holiday. An edutainment/historic recreation. Carry out the plan of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, extra points for recovering and eating roasted corn from the site. "In 1637, the Pequot tribe of Connecticut gathered for the annual Green Corn Dance ceremony. Mercenaries of the English and Dutch attacked and surrounded the village; burning down everything and shooting whomever try to escape. The next day, Newell notes, the Governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony declared: "A day of Thanksgiving, thanking God that they had eliminated over 700 men, women and children." It was signed into law that, "This day forth shall be a day of celebration and thanksgiving for subduing the Pequots."

    How about a multi-game framework called Global Domination, with specific scenario files such as "East India Company" and "Hudson's Bay Company"? Invade, subdue and colonize. Impose a colonial government in the form of a commercial enterprise. Try to come up with improvements on some of the quintessentially British techniques and tactics from history, such as slavery, sanctioned if not imposed drug addiction, and requiring proof of indigenous people killed in the form of strips of scalp with hair ripped from their skulls. See how long you can maintain control before the inevitable collapse of the Empire eventually leads to nostalgic recreations in the form of "culturally British" computer games.

    Flamebait? This? No, this is response. The original is flamebait. One person's "cultural" is another's "racist". The "British" aspect just happens to make it very easy to flip that conceptual card.

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    1. Re:More Culturally British Game Ideas by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

      You know, there are other aspects to British culture. (and I'm not sure you can really claim that the massacre in Massachussetts is 'British' - we did lose the Revolutionary War). Seriously, I understand that the British Empire was violent and repressive, but are we supposed to hide away in shame for the rest of eternity?

    2. Re:More Culturally British Game Ideas by FourthAge · · Score: 1

      Great idea, here are some more:

      "Holocaust", a culturally German game where you play the administrator of the Auschwitz prison camp. Implement the final solution or face the Fuhrer's displeasure!

      "Tobacco Tycoon", a culturally American game where you run a series of farms in the South. Save costs by buying cheap labour from Africa! Quell uprisings by dressing in a white sheet!

      "Bolsheviks", a culturally Russian game in which you are the Commissar of the NKVD. Can you eliminate the enemies of the revolution. Can you survive Stalin's Terror and replace him as leader of the USSR?

      "Labour Camp", a culturally Japanese game where you must use POW slave labour to build railways and bridges. Can you build the infrastructure needed to beat the Americans before they develop the A-bomb?

      "Conquistador", a culturally Spanish game in which you are an explorer in South America. How much gold can you take from the native people? Can you wipe out the Incans?

      Or would that very obviously be offensive to all concerned? The summary isn't racist, having a national identity isn't racist. Racism is where you take one imagined aspect of a people and imply that they're all like that as if we Brits are all Victorian-era imperialists, drinking port in our London clubs while guys in India break their backs to make us even richer. "They're not really people, old chap. Jeeves, fetch me the cigar box would you?"

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    3. Re:More Culturally British Game Ideas by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

      Holocaust Tycoon from Uncyclopedia!

      They wrote that article and then found the real games ...

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    4. Re:More Culturally British Game Ideas by Obvius · · Score: 1

      Excellent response!

    5. Re:More Culturally British Game Ideas by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Flamebait? This? No, this is response. The original is flamebait. One person's "cultural" is another's "racist". The "British" aspect just happens to make it very easy to flip that conceptual card."

      Well no, not at all.

      You're picking the worst possible bits of British history and claiming that's British culture.

      Culture consists of more than just the things a country has done wrong over the years. It consists of the architectural style of certain cities, it consists of traditional foods, it consists of accents, it consists of folk stories and that sort of thing.

      A game that's culturally British could just be one based on British legend like Robin Hood or King Arthur, or it could just be any other game like Grand Theft Auto where the accents are British, the architecture, styles, rules of the road (driving on the left) are British and where instead of eating burgers for health you eat fish and chips.

      As it happens you ARE being racist because you're associating the culture of British people today with some of their most atrocious acts in the past. You're inferring that British people still view the world the same now as they did back then. You do realise that inferring British culture is all about colonialism and imperialistic tendancies is as ignorant as saying all Islamic culture is about terrorism right?

      Culture isn't a static thing throughout history, cultures change. Tying a modern culture to it's related country's past is ignorant at best. Jokes about tea drinking and such are fair enough because the British do drink a lot of tea still, but tying it to slavery and so forth? Get a fucking grip, I doubt there's a person alive in Britain today that supports slavery and if there is you're talking about the odd fringe nutcases and certainly not mainstream British culture.

    6. Re:More Culturally British Game Ideas by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      "Flamebait? This? No, this is response. The original is flamebait. One person's "cultural" is another's "racist". The "British" aspect just happens to make it very easy to flip that conceptual card."

      Well no, not at all.

      You're picking the worst possible bits of British history and claiming that's British culture.

      Culture consists of more than just the things a country has done wrong over the years. It consists of the architectural style of certain cities, it consists of traditional foods, it consists of accents, it consists of folk stories and that sort of thing.

      A game that's culturally British could just be one based on British legend like Robin Hood or King Arthur, or it could just be any other game like Grand Theft Auto where the accents are British, the architecture, styles, rules of the road (driving on the left) are British and where instead of eating burgers for health you eat fish and chips.

      As it happens you ARE being racist because you're associating the culture of British people today with some of their most atrocious acts in the past. You're inferring that British people still view the world the same now as they did back then. You do realise that inferring British culture is all about colonialism and imperialistic tendancies is as ignorant as saying all Islamic culture is about terrorism right?

      Culture isn't a static thing throughout history, cultures change. Tying a modern culture to it's related country's past is ignorant at best. Jokes about tea drinking and such are fair enough because the British do drink a lot of tea still, but tying it to slavery and so forth? Get a fucking grip, I doubt there's a person alive in Britain today that supports slavery and if there is you're talking about the odd fringe nutcases and certainly not mainstream British culture.

      What? You mean there's more to other countries of the rest of the world and their cultures than who they fought, who they invaded, and who they surrendered to??

      I for example thought that French culture was all about Napoleon. Upon a quick googling, turns out they also had writers, philosophers, artists and shit. So much for my vision of the rest of the world defined by wars and national relationships with the USA.

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    7. Re:More Culturally British Game Ideas by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      You know, there are other aspects to British culture.

      But how many of the others are so easily turned into games?

      I'm an American and I approve the concept as I like a lot of British television programmes, but I'm not sure how well the character sensibilities will translate into a gaming environment. Think about some of the entertainment properties you have and how you'd make a compelling game about them without adapting them to typical (foreign) gaming cliches that would harm the chiefly British nature of the property.

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  24. Cool by kramulous · · Score: 2

    Now the world can experience sitting around sipping tea, losing cricket and whining about the shitty weather.

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    1. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats wrong with the shitty weather? :)

    2. Re:Cool by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      nothing wrong with it, its just a normal day.

      started today off a bit muggy, some drizzle as I was driving into work, was warm enough though.
      then it got really dark, I thought we were in for a storm, but it passed and the sky cleared a bit - i saw some blue sky!

      now theres some more dark clouds rolling in, hopefully they will pass later, its gettin a bit nippy out though.

      need to remember my brolly later, so many people today forgot theirs and they might get wet on their way home.

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    3. Re:Cool by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      It was quite sunny this morning and fairly warm but it's gradually clouded over and got quite windy. I'm expecting some rain although it is starting to brighten up a little from the West.

    4. Re:Cool by kramulous · · Score: 1

      Do you have a blog (roll) I can subscribe to? That was fascinating :)

      Today, here in Aus, it was pretty boring ... blue with an occasional white whisp. Oh well, I guess that's winter.

      Wait, what? Our cricket team sucks now? Dammit. Might go have a cuppa to calm the nerves.

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  25. Mornington Crescent! by Obvius · · Score: 2, Informative

    But would you use Trumpington's Rule Variations or the more accepted Tudor Court Rules?

    1. Re:Mornington Crescent! by Dusty101 · · Score: 1

      Definitely south via Paddington...

    2. Re:Mornington Crescent! by xaxa · · Score: 1

      The Circle Line is currently suspended. Under rule 13b-2 you could divert via Piccadilly Circus, but I think you'll be going too far out of your way -- a bus might be faster? Your call.

    3. Re:Mornington Crescent! by commandlinegamer · · Score: 1

      Ah, but given the current rail works, a bus may well be a train and vice-versa. Anyway, Humphrey's odd-man rule only applies if you use the secondary route via Wardour Street.

  26. i.e. by fateswarm · · Score: 1

    i.e. propaganda

    and right wing mongering.

  27. British, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Islamic... by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    It's a very good question. Britain has been involved in the affairs of just about every country on Earth at one time or another, both influencing it, and being influenced by it. Even ignoring that fact, a strong case could be made that anything in Europe or the Commonwealth has to do with british culture, since britain founded one and jointly founded and subscribed to the other. More importantly, closer to home, there are lots of issues with government promoting one culture over others, since it's supposed to be a multicultural society. For instance, in Scotland, they have to support Scots-Gaelic as well as English. In Northern Ireland, it's even more complicated, as they (legally) have to support Ulster-Scots as well as Irish language and culture and British culture. I'm pretty sure there are similar issues with Islam, Hindu culture, etc.

    Seems to me that it won't be long before someone is suing the government on the basis that they're being discriminated against as game developers, because they're from a non-English background.

  28. Re:New requirement: ... Monty by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1
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  29. This is a good thing by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure it'll only lead to only completely accurate portrays of true English culture, just like how America's Army does similar for the US army.

    So expect:

    - Restaurant Simulator - using entirely British food and cooking techniques; build a world-beating restaurant that makes Italians cry.
    - British Football 3D - play entirely respectful games of football winning with skill, but also good manners and complimenting the opponents to victory.
    - Railways on-line - improve an already perfect railway to be even more "perfecter". The more you make the French jealous, the more points you get.

    I can't wait!

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    1. Re:This is a good thing by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      I think everyone is forgetting one thing: this tax break could go towards funding a Doctor Who game! Well, OK, one that's not complete shovelware.

    2. Re:This is a good thing by jellybear · · Score: 1

      So you can get tax breaks for you FPS just by throwing some Daleks in?

    3. Re:This is a good thing by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      I want that game. "EXTERMINATE: the Game".

    4. Re:This is a good thing by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
      - Restaurant Simulator - using entirely British food and cooking techniques; build a world-beating restaurant that makes Italians cry.

      That would obviously be fronted by Heston Blumenthal, chef at allegedly the best restaurant in the world.

      British Football 3D - play entirely respectful games of football winning with skill, but also good manners and complimenting the opponents to victory.

      Obviously you are talking about proper Rugby Football, not that upstart Association "Soccer" Football.

      Railways on-line - improve an already perfect railway to be even more "perfecter". The more you make the French jealous, the more points you get.

      That would be a Hornby themed game, or possibly Thomas the Tank Engine :-)

  30. British Drivers by The+Other+White+Meat · · Score: 1

    If I promise to drive 20 MPH on the wrong side of the road in the game, will they buy me a copy of Grand Theft Auto?

    What if I promise to drive 200KPH through tunnels, killing all occupants, will the French pick up the tab?

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    1. Re:British Drivers by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Informative
      If I promise to drive 20 MPH on the wrong side of the road in the game, will they buy me a copy of Grand Theft Auto?

      Funny thing is, Grand Theft Auto is a British game. Made in Scotland, from girders. It's just set in America - or rather, in the distorted image of America we get from gangster movies and crime TV shows.

      But apparently, instead of encouraging British developers to produce games that sell bazillions worldwide, they'd prefer to encourage... well, I'm not sure. The most culturally British game I've played lately was Professor Layton on the DS, an entirely Japanese production. Other than that, culturally British... well, there was Bully, Rockstar again, set in America but in a school which was a bizarre hybrid of an expensive boarding school and the worst ever borstal, and in which the hero fights with weapons taken straight from the pages of the Beano. And there was Civ IV: Beyond the Sword, which had a much improved model of imperialism where you just forced people into vassalage rather than outright annexation.

      Was Planescape: Torment culturally British? I mean, nearly everyone in it spoke eighteenth-century Cockney thieves' slang... How about World of Warcraft? - I mean, not that they're blatantly ripping off any well-known British roleplaying and wargaming setting or anything.

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  31. Big Brother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm, would a game where you are a rebel in a authoritarian state count?

  32. My vote by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    Gang Bangers and Mash.

  33. Ultima by kenp2002 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dear Richard Garriot,

    Since there is a tax break for games that are culturally British, now is the time for you to quit screwing around on space stations, brow beat the rights to Ultima back, and Get Lord British and the Avatar kicking ass and taking names once again in Sorsia. RESSURECT ORIGIN PLEASE! I need a good Wing Commander game KTHX!

    We now return you to your regularlly scheduled M$ vs Linux /. flame war...

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  34. funnnyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does anyone see the irony in this...

  35. Foreign Developers by norletsk · · Score: 1

    Will they send money to foreign developers for making culturally British games, like Paradox Interactive's "Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun"?

  36. Possibly a good thing by Improv · · Score: 1

    A bit of this might be good.

    Cultural content for the entire world should not be produced in one country with the blandness we've seen from Hollywood. In TV and film many of us have seen perfectly good foreign works ("Let the Right One In", "Red Dwarf", "The Dinner Game") with terrible American remakes. We don't even know what we're missing compared to if games were less of a styrofoam-culture creation. I think the tragic fatalism valued in British culture, for example, might make for better stories than the juvenile "everything must work out in the end for our hero" thing wee have here.

    So long as the tax breaks don't become embargos or similar and don't become strong enough to actually prevent games from crossing borders, this could be very good for gamers.

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  37. Soccer Hooligan 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I expect my check from Gordon Brown any day now.

  38. So "BGF" instead of "BFG"? by erroneus · · Score: 1

    My first thought was that instead of having a "BFG" in a first person shooter, it would have a "BGF" (big giant foot) weapon in the game. Grand theft auto would have "bobbies" instead of police?

  39. high hopes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe they'll resurrect 'the getaway 3' from it's dead state.

  40. Do they mean.... by Jaysyn · · Score: 1
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  41. Illustrated Primers by Mendy · · Score: 1

    They should skip the games and move straight to the Illustrated Primers, there's no better way of propagating British cultural memes.

  42. Too bad "Hellgate London" is gone by phorm · · Score: 1

    Perhaps they might have benefited from this?

  43. Grand Theft Auto: Edinburgh by spafbi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay... maybe not.

  44. coming soon... by ichbineinneuben · · Score: 1

    Morris Dance Revolution

  45. GTA X London by SeeSp0tRun · · Score: 1

    Basically, you could keep the entire game as-is... just add in a "muppet" or "tosser" here or there.

    Oh, and you would have to add far more crap looking cars, with a few more supercars.

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    1. Re:GTA X London by floop · · Score: 1

      GTA Chav edition

    2. Re:GTA X London by jellybear · · Score: 1

      Lol, that's brilliant that is (innit)

  46. Nah, the most british thing is to blame the EU ... by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    ... for all the bad things in the UK which curiously don't seem to happen nearly as much in other EU countries. CCTV, zero tolerance bullshit, paedophilia scares, Iraq war scandals, etc.

  47. This has to involve coconuts... by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry, but I can't think of "Culturally British Games" without expecting Monty Python cast members to be involved somewhere.

    How about Llamatron?

    1. Re:This has to involve coconuts... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      You must be American.
      As a Brit in the US it amazes me how just about all Americans seem to think that Monty Python represents the current British culture and that we all have every line memorised.

      It would be like us Brits expecting the whole of the US to be like Gilligans Island. oh wait...

    2. Re:This has to involve coconuts... by argent · · Score: 1

      You must be American.

      You're about as far off target as it's possible to be and remain on the planet.

    3. Re:This has to involve coconuts... by Obvius · · Score: 1

      To name but two: I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue Just A Minute

    4. Re:This has to involve coconuts... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Ahh yes... Imagine the endless happy hours possible if they would just release a computer version of Mornington Crescent...

  48. The bottom line of this... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    Really, all this boils down to is more work for Stephen Fry.

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  49. Grand Theft Auto: Liverpool by Kittenman · · Score: 1

    There, fixed the subject for you ....

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  50. Wonderful..... by ammit · · Score: 1

    An article that gives the americans all the chance they can to make cheap jabs. I shall refrain from thinking or saying anymore, I'll just shoot you all.

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  51. All these replies... by seraph1m · · Score: 1

    ... and no one's mentioned World of Conkers?!

  52. Gentlemen -- the Queen! by Randym · · Score: 1

    Seriously -- that's all you need. How can they turn down your MMORPG with its radical new character class "that speak[s] to a British narrative" and "reflect[s] our cultural particularism" -- AND kicks ass!?!

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