22. Buy new hard drive 23. Buy all new hardware (including new hard drive), because Microsoft has deemed your hardware "obsolete". 24. Rinse and repeat. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
It's not your copyright being violated, is it? What amount of GPL code have you written? It's the developers that are being attacked.
Of course, if you has a little understanding of th big picture, you'd realise that in the long run, you wouldn't be able to convert NT to Linux without a large licensing fee, because the free Linux of today would be embraced, extended and extinguished, while Microsoft or Sun charge you through the nose for "their new" OSes at $300 a license. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Speaking of learning C, does anyone know of a good resource for learning C on Linux, for someone who is already familiar with programming in general? -------- "I already have all the latest software."
When they say integrated, they mean IE is now the default SHELL for windows. Meaning, if IE crashes, it takes down the SHELL (in this case explorer). When that happens, explorer will restart. Windows does not get 'taken down' nor would it crash.
Maybe, except the shell is so integrated with the rest of the OS, you pretty much have to reboot to get much to work anyway (I know this first-hand).
You go on to mention how IE5 is great and netscape sucks. What you obviously don't realise is that after a while, a lot of the core of windows gets fudged (about 60% of the time I use windows, but am to lazy to re-install _again_), so only unintegrated, standalone programs work well. This is Navigator's strength. You can completely kill off explorer so it won't run again, and you can still run navigator.
I hope I don't offend you if I'm wrong, but when I read your post, you really gave the impression that you were a (perhaps funded) MS pusher. Talk about FUD. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
In short, it's a lot of work for not as much gain as people may hope. unstable-chasers will probably be the only ones to benefit at all. So really, it all depends on how many Debian users are unstable chasers. (I know I am) -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Drat. I wasn't sure about that one. I tried my luck, and disgraced myself. You evil person, you make my feel awful! I think I'm going to cry!;-) -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Reality: Linux Needs Real World Proof Points Rather than Anecdotal Stories ... Customer Testimonials See how these leading companies and organizations have deployed Windows NT Server 4.0: Nasdaq Barnes & Noble Dell Computer Corp The Boeing Company First Union Chicago Stock Exchange
How ironi. ----- First, it's worth noting that Linux is a UNIX-like operating system. Linux fundamentally relies on 30-year-old operating system technology and architecture. Humans fundamentally rely on billion-year-old architecture in their genes, so they should be scrapped and reinvented.
Linux was not designed from the ground-up to support symmetrical multiprocessing (SMP), graphical user interfaces (GUI), asynchronous I/O, fine-grained security model, and many other important characteristics of a modern operating system. Linux started out sleek, lean, and unbloated, and then evolved into a viable OS. In contrast, NT started out with bloated features you don't need in a server (running a GUI 24/7), and can barely support its own weight (finding bugs in NT is like finding a blade of grass in a cubic acre of hay). ----- Reality: Free Operating System Does Not Mean Low Total Cost of Ownership
It does if "when we speak of free software, we speak of freedom, not price". Unless the latest version of NT comes with working source code, I can't tweak the OS, or any underlying components to my liking. ----- Myth: The Linux SWAP file is limited to 128 MB RAM Reality: Go read the mkswap(8) man page: the OLD (v0) swap spaces could only be 128MB (on an i386). The new ones (v1) support up to 2GB. Get your facts right, Microsoft. This has been around since kernel 2.1.117. ----- There are no commercially proven clustering technologies to provide High Availability for Linux. Can you say beowulf? ----- This is made complex due to the fact that there isn't a central location for security issues to be reported and fixed. Try dselect update install on any Debian system, or the RedHat errata, etc. ------ No Linux products are listed on the U.S. Government's evaluated product list. Because we don't care about the U.S. Gov't stupid encryption "security" policies, approval would only make Linux look more insecure. ----- Configuring Linux security requires an administrator to be an expert in the intricacies of the operating system and how components interact. Or an admin with a port-scanner.And you tell me an NT box is secure without an admin who knows about the system? Nice try. ----- Reality: Linux Makes No Sense at the Desktop We never said it would... but my sister seems to like her Windows-free desktop (and she is totally OS-indifferent). ----- Windows NT 4.0 currently supports over 39,000 systems and devices on the Hardware Compatibility List Assuming they were bought in the last 3 years, otherwise, it's obsolete. ----- Linux does not support important ease-of-use technologies such as Plug and Play, USB, and Power Management Sad, my Linux box seems not to exist. ----- The Linux operating system is not suitable for mainstream usage by business or home users. We never said it was good for mainstream by home use, we projected by current developmental progess that it WILL be soon. And business? Go ask RedHat if businesses don't like their software.
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what's to prevent the people who choose the ratings to be overly "influenced" by the "moral Majority"? Why should it be prevented? The main thing with censorship seems to be choice. At least with ratings, users have the choice to be influenced by the "moral majority", or not. You suggest not giving them this choice, which could be considered just as bad as censorship itself.
Look at slashdot's ratings aka moderation. That is a very bad example of how well ratings work. Browse at -1 for awhile and you'll understand what I mean.
So remember: Keep Fit and Have Fun! -------- "I already have all the latest software."
That's why ratings have always been better than censorship. That way, somebody will figure it out if the government is censoring stuff it shouldn't, while it keeps our kids good and naive in the mean time. I support government-enforced (or privately-enforced ones) ratings, but not out-and-out censorship.
Also, I know someone is going to say ratings == censorship, and that web content will be geared solely for diluted ratings, but this is the web, people! People still buy restricted movies, watch "viewer disgression is advised" TV-shows, and read dirty web pages that clearly say "THIS IS A PORN SITE, GO AWAY". So that statement is essentially false.
'Nuff said. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Is it already too late for the real meaning of hacker? (Think villain, it lost, just like hacker might.) -------- "I already have all the latest software."
If Intel had done that, it might have been taken for granted that your CPU has a serial number. Think of the possibilities (for big business, anyway)! -------- "I already have all the latest software."
I must inadvertently try pretty hard then. If you start from stock Debian 2.1, choose one of the huge profiles, then upgrade to unstable (with contrib, non-free and non-US), you'll easily get at least 100 MB. Debian is my main OS, and likewise I have tons of packages installed (a few thousand, seriously). -------- "I already have all the latest software."
What's worse is the dictionary doesn't use either of the definitions we have for hacker. A hacker is someone who either makes furniture with an axe, or just is plain not good at something.
I'm not implying anything here. I just found it amusing. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
What do we call yourselves now? "Ethical Hacker" and all those excessively descriptive things plain suck. Let the crackers have "hacker" if we can have something better. Somebody PLEASE coin a phrase that isn't cheezy. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
It seems to me that a lot of people thing capitalism is the be-all and end-all of things, and anything else is communist.
Note: "Scarce" is a term in economics meaning limited. Whether there is an abundance of a certain resource is irrevalent of whether or not it is scarce.
The purpose of economics is to figure out how to satisfy unlimited wants with scarce resources. Without one or the other, there is no need for economics (this is what is taught in Economics classes). The difference with information is that it is not really a scarce resource. It can be reproduced at no cost an unlimited number of times. Our society, not being ready to handle something that is valuable, yet not scarce, artificially creates scarcity, by the use of "intellectual property", a true oxymoron.
Communism works in theory, but in practice, it relies on an uncorrupt leader. Capitalism works in theory, but it relies on the belief that companies will want to compete instead of eliminating the competition, the current practice of this day.
So believing in fundamental communism is no worse that believing in fundamental capitalism (I advocate neither). They both have major flaws, and they both have major strengths. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Great, now Slashdot is going to get slashdotted with short little remarks about whether someone's *opinion* is "correct". -------- "I already have all the latest software."
When is the next release of Debian coming out. I'm in the process of making i386 binary CDs with a hacked up version of slink_cd, but it's an awful pain.
Debian should periodically make some unstable ISO images, as I tend to hesitate to get people to install Debian, for fear of the 100-200 MB upgrade to unstable over a 56k modem.
Also, does anyone know of any distribution that uses rsync to update packages? (Think dpkg/apt-rsync). That would take a great load off the mirrors. (How many times do we download a 4MB package that does nothing but fix a few bytes in typos?)
I should learn to proofread my posts. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Slashdot Mirror
22. Buy new hard drive
23. Buy all new hardware (including new hard drive), because Microsoft has deemed your hardware "obsolete".
24. Rinse and repeat.
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"I already have all the latest software."
It's not your copyright being violated, is it? What amount of GPL code have you written? It's the developers that are being attacked.
Of course, if you has a little understanding of th big picture, you'd realise that in the long run, you wouldn't be able to convert NT to Linux without a large licensing fee, because the free Linux of today would be embraced, extended and extinguished, while Microsoft or Sun charge you through the nose for "their new" OSes at $300 a license.
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Amazing! This message doesn't contain the words "First Post" andwhere!
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All I need to do now is actually learn C... :)
Speaking of learning C, does anyone know of a good resource for learning C on Linux, for someone who is already familiar with programming in general?
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Looks like the poster forgot to close a tag. Glad that hasn't happened to me (yet?).
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When they say integrated, they mean IE is now the default SHELL for windows. Meaning, if IE crashes, it takes down the SHELL (in this case explorer). When that happens, explorer will restart. Windows does not get 'taken down' nor would it crash.
Maybe, except the shell is so integrated with the rest of the OS, you pretty much have to reboot to get much to work anyway (I know this first-hand).
You go on to mention how IE5 is great and netscape sucks. What you obviously don't realise is that after a while, a lot of the core of windows gets fudged (about 60% of the time I use windows, but am to lazy to re-install _again_), so only unintegrated, standalone programs work well. This is Navigator's strength. You can completely kill off explorer so it won't run again, and you can still run navigator.
I hope I don't offend you if I'm wrong, but when I read your post, you really gave the impression that you were a (perhaps funded) MS pusher. Talk about FUD.
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"I already have all the latest software."
In short, it's a lot of work for not as much gain as people may hope. unstable-chasers will probably be the only ones to benefit at all.
So really, it all depends on how many Debian users are unstable chasers. (I know I am)
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"I already have all the latest software."
Drat. I wasn't sure about that one. I tried my luck, and disgraced myself. You evil person, you make my feel awful! I think I'm going to cry! ;-)
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"I already have all the latest software."
Reality: Linux Needs Real World Proof Points Rather than Anecdotal Stories
...
Customer Testimonials
See how these leading companies and organizations have deployed Windows NT Server 4.0:
Nasdaq
Barnes & Noble
Dell Computer Corp
The Boeing Company
First Union
Chicago Stock Exchange
How ironi.
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First, it's worth noting that Linux is a UNIX-like operating system. Linux fundamentally relies on 30-year-old operating system technology and architecture.
Humans fundamentally rely on billion-year-old architecture in their genes, so they should be scrapped and reinvented.
Linux was not designed from the ground-up to support symmetrical multiprocessing (SMP), graphical user interfaces (GUI), asynchronous I/O, fine-grained security model, and many other important characteristics of a modern operating system.
Linux started out sleek, lean, and unbloated, and then evolved into a viable OS. In contrast, NT started out with bloated features you don't need in a server (running a GUI 24/7), and can barely support its own weight (finding bugs in NT is like finding a blade of grass in a cubic acre of hay).
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Reality: Free Operating System Does Not Mean Low Total Cost of Ownership
It does if "when we speak of free software, we speak of freedom, not price". Unless the latest version of NT comes with working source code, I can't tweak the OS, or any underlying components to my liking.
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Myth: The Linux SWAP file is limited to 128 MB RAM
Reality: Go read the mkswap(8) man page: the OLD (v0) swap spaces could only be 128MB (on an i386). The new ones (v1) support up to 2GB. Get your facts right, Microsoft. This has been around since kernel 2.1.117.
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There are no commercially proven clustering technologies to provide High Availability for Linux.
Can you say beowulf?
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This is made complex due to the fact that there isn't a central location for security issues to be reported and fixed.
Try dselect update install on any Debian system, or the RedHat errata, etc.
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No Linux products are listed on the U.S. Government's evaluated product list.
Because we don't care about the U.S. Gov't stupid encryption "security" policies, approval would only make Linux look more insecure.
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Configuring Linux security requires an administrator to be an expert in the intricacies of the operating system and how components interact.
Or an admin with a port-scanner.And you tell me an NT box is secure without an admin who knows about the system? Nice try.
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Reality: Linux Makes No Sense at the Desktop
We never said it would... but my sister seems to like her Windows-free desktop (and she is totally OS-indifferent).
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Windows NT 4.0 currently supports over 39,000 systems and devices on the Hardware Compatibility List
Assuming they were bought in the last 3 years, otherwise, it's obsolete.
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Linux does not support important ease-of-use technologies such as Plug and Play, USB, and Power Management
Sad, my Linux box seems not to exist.
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The Linux operating system is not suitable for mainstream usage by business or home users.
We never said it was good for mainstream by home use, we projected by current developmental progess that it WILL be soon.
And business? Go ask RedHat if businesses don't like their software.
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Oh sure, Linux security is all-or-nothing. I guess my home system doesn't exist.
*cough*sudo*cough*suid*cough*
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"I already have all the latest software."
what's to prevent the people who choose the ratings to be overly "influenced" by the "moral Majority"?
Why should it be prevented? The main thing with censorship seems to be choice. At least with ratings, users have the choice to be influenced by the "moral majority", or not. You suggest not giving them this choice, which could be considered just as bad as censorship itself.
Look at slashdot's ratings aka moderation.
That is a very bad example of how well ratings work. Browse at -1 for awhile and you'll understand what I mean.
So remember: Keep Fit and Have Fun!
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"I already have all the latest software."
That's why ratings have always been better than censorship. That way, somebody will figure it out if the government is censoring stuff it shouldn't, while it keeps our kids good and naive in the mean time. I support government-enforced (or privately-enforced ones) ratings, but not out-and-out censorship.
Also, I know someone is going to say ratings == censorship, and that web content will be geared solely for diluted ratings, but this is the web, people! People still buy restricted movies, watch "viewer disgression is advised" TV-shows, and read dirty web pages that clearly say "THIS IS A PORN SITE, GO AWAY". So that statement is essentially false.
'Nuff said.
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"I already have all the latest software."
The question that is:
Is it already too late for the real meaning of hacker? (Think villain, it lost, just like hacker might.)
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"I already have all the latest software."
If Intel had done that, it might have been taken for granted that your CPU has a serial number. Think of the possibilities (for big business, anyway)!
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"I already have all the latest software."
Not everything bad that happens requires intent.
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"I already have all the latest software."
I must inadvertently try pretty hard then. If you start from stock Debian 2.1, choose one of the huge profiles, then upgrade to unstable (with contrib, non-free and non-US), you'll easily get at least 100 MB. Debian is my main OS, and likewise I have tons of packages installed (a few thousand, seriously).
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"I already have all the latest software."
What's worse is the dictionary doesn't use either of the definitions we have for hacker. A hacker is someone who either makes furniture with an axe, or just is plain not good at something.
I'm not implying anything here. I just found it amusing.
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"I already have all the latest software."
What do we call yourselves now? "Ethical Hacker" and all those excessively descriptive things plain suck. Let the crackers have "hacker" if we can have something better. Somebody PLEASE coin a phrase that isn't cheezy.
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"I already have all the latest software."
It seems to me that a lot of people thing capitalism is the be-all and end-all of things, and anything else is communist.
Note: "Scarce" is a term in economics meaning limited. Whether there is an abundance of a certain resource is irrevalent of whether or not it is scarce.
The purpose of economics is to figure out how to satisfy unlimited wants with scarce resources. Without one or the other, there is no need for economics (this is what is taught in Economics classes). The difference with information is that it is not really a scarce resource. It can be reproduced at no cost an unlimited number of times. Our society, not being ready to handle something that is valuable, yet not scarce, artificially creates scarcity, by the use of "intellectual property", a true oxymoron.
Communism works in theory, but in practice, it relies on an uncorrupt leader. Capitalism works in theory, but it relies on the belief that companies will want to compete instead of eliminating the competition, the current practice of this day.
So believing in fundamental communism is no worse that believing in fundamental capitalism (I advocate neither). They both have major flaws, and they both have major strengths.
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"I already have all the latest software."
Not everything can be found on the internet, you know.
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"I already have all the latest software."
It?s quite hard to read posts when some stupid so-called ??browser?? can?t stick to the standards.
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So remember when ESR say Open Source he means Linux.
I always thought it to be toe opposite:
When ESR says Linux, he means Open Source.
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Great, now Slashdot is going to get slashdotted with short little remarks about whether someone's *opinion* is "correct".
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"I already have all the latest software."
Get it?
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"I already have all the latest software."
When is the next release of Debian coming out. I'm in the process of making i386 binary CDs with a hacked up version of slink_cd, but it's an awful pain.
Debian should periodically make some unstable ISO images, as I tend to hesitate to get people to install Debian, for fear of the 100-200 MB upgrade to unstable over a 56k modem.
Also, does anyone know of any distribution that uses rsync to update packages? (Think dpkg/apt-rsync). That would take a great load off the mirrors. (How many times do we download a 4MB package that does nothing but fix a few bytes in typos?)
I should learn to proofread my posts.
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"I already have all the latest software."