If anything, Secunia is a whore for Firefox. They have reported 3, 8, 9 vulnerabilities are 1 advisory before. So when someone looks at the graphcs for Mozilla, they'll see something like 2 advisories for a month, which is misleading, instead of 10 vulnerabilities.
If you look at the number of VULNERABILITIES for Firefox 1.x alone, there are 39 vulnerabilities, 6 of which are unpatched.
If you look at Opera 8.x, there are 5 vulnerabilities with 0 unpatched. If you include Opera 7.x, there are (I believe) 41 for 7.x and 5 for 8.x.
Now, 7.x has been out for a lot longer than Firefox 1.x (at least a year and a half longer). Not only that, if you include Firefox 0.x, it's 39 for 1.x and 77 for 0.x
He never said it was a "bug". In fact, he never called it anything. He simply talked about it being reported, whether it's a bug or not.
Apparently you're reading what you want to, not what he actually said.
Try turning that around. Linux people bash Windows even moreso, yet have strived to become more like it.
Please.. get over yourself. This is not for the average windows user at all. It's for sysadmins and geeks. It will become much more integrated to windows than bash or perl or anything, which will give it it's power.
Uhm.. you must be superman.
It takes most normal people a LOT more than 5 minutes to look for and find 15 extensions. You're assuming you know EXACTLY what extension you are looking for. Thus is not the case for new users.
First they must look for a feature they desire, if they even know. Then they must install it. Then they must try it and see if they like it. Repeat.
- Rewind/Fast Forward - Instant back/forward - Form state saving - Full history saving for tabs when saving sessions (possible in ff im sure, but havent been done) - Extensible Rendering Architecture so you can see how your page looks on small-screen. - Complete and simple customization of keyboard shortcuts that does not require finding the right files and knowing how to edit them - Same for mouse gestures. The FF extensions that let you customize them, only let you select from a predefined list for gestures, and a small number of commands. - Show all images/show cached images/hide all images toggle - Ability to create multiple menu/toolbar/keyboard shortcuts/mouse gesture setups on one Opera and switch between them on the fly. - Instant preview of skins you download. Also instant preview of menu/toolbar setups - Multi-line tabbar
And I know there is more.
While some of those may be possible with FF.. they are some of Operas best features that have yet to be reproduced.
Yeah man! I'm with ya. This guy was offering to give me his car for free. Sure it didn't run and was only a frame pretty much, BUT IT WAS FREE!
Sure I could have bought a nice car with many features that ran well for pretty cheap, but IT WASNT FREE.
But you don't have to! You can still browse like you normally do with Firefox and IE without stuff getting in your way. Reading the documentation is for if you want to learn MORE.
Maybe you should actually TRY Opera8 first. Those menus are customized, and NOT the default menus.
Here's the number of items in each menu by default: File: 11 (2 are submenus) Edit: 10 View: 9 (5 submenus) Bookmarks: 2 + all your bookmarks Mail: 7 (1 submenu), plus this menu is only shown if you have a mail account Tools: 11 (2 submenus) Window: 11 (1 submenu) + windows open Help: 6 Tab context menu: 9 (1 submenu)
I am running Opera 8.0 with JS enabled and block unwanted popups set. The only popups I ever get are the ones I want and the onClick ones (such as at comics.com). This is good enough for me.
However, I got popups running FF 1.0 and the nightlies at these siets.
Firefox is open source, so anyone can contribute. And the open-source is fully of great talents, right?
Why then, after 5 (almost 6) years, is the outline property in CSS not supported? Why is there no one able to fully implement this? Yes, I know about -moz-outline, but it's -moz-outline because they don't trust their own code enough after 5 years.
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What exactly are you basing this on?
Opera 8.01 has been out for more than a WEEK.
If anything, Secunia is a whore for Firefox. They have reported 3, 8, 9 vulnerabilities are 1 advisory before. So when someone looks at the graphcs for Mozilla, they'll see something like 2 advisories for a month, which is misleading, instead of 10 vulnerabilities.
If you look at the number of VULNERABILITIES for Firefox 1.x alone, there are 39 vulnerabilities, 6 of which are unpatched.
If you look at Opera 8.x, there are 5 vulnerabilities with 0 unpatched. If you include Opera 7.x, there are (I believe) 41 for 7.x and 5 for 8.x.
Now, 7.x has been out for a lot longer than Firefox 1.x (at least a year and a half longer). Not only that, if you include Firefox 0.x, it's 39 for 1.x and 77 for 0.x
This is fact. Just check www.secunia.com.
He never said it was a "bug". In fact, he never called it anything. He simply talked about it being reported, whether it's a bug or not. Apparently you're reading what you want to, not what he actually said.
Try turning that around. Linux people bash Windows even moreso, yet have strived to become more like it. Please.. get over yourself. This is not for the average windows user at all. It's for sysadmins and geeks. It will become much more integrated to windows than bash or perl or anything, which will give it it's power.
first psot!!!
So you mean those 2 videos that were 3 hours showing various games running in real-time (proven in the video) on their hardware were fake?!
You're still a cheap idiot that lives in your mom's basement.
Uhm.. you must be superman. It takes most normal people a LOT more than 5 minutes to look for and find 15 extensions. You're assuming you know EXACTLY what extension you are looking for. Thus is not the case for new users. First they must look for a feature they desire, if they even know. Then they must install it. Then they must try it and see if they like it. Repeat.
So you don't support things you use eh? Awesome.
Uh.. The Gecko engine is older than Opera's engine. XUL is also older than Opera's skinning system. So..what were you saying?
Yes, it's called UserJavascript.
FF sucked when I used it 18 months ago!!!
- Rewind/Fast Forward
- Instant back/forward
- Form state saving
- Full history saving for tabs when saving sessions (possible in ff im sure, but havent been done)
- Extensible Rendering Architecture so you can see how your page looks on small-screen.
- Complete and simple customization of keyboard shortcuts that does not require finding the right files and knowing how to edit them
- Same for mouse gestures. The FF extensions that let you customize them, only let you select from a predefined list for gestures, and a small number of commands.
- Show all images/show cached images/hide all images toggle
- Ability to create multiple menu/toolbar/keyboard shortcuts/mouse gesture setups on one Opera and switch between them on the fly.
- Instant preview of skins you download. Also instant preview of menu/toolbar setups
- Multi-line tabbar
And I know there is more.
While some of those may be possible with FF.. they are some of Operas best features that have yet to be reproduced.
Yeah man! I'm with ya. This guy was offering to give me his car for free. Sure it didn't run and was only a frame pretty much, BUT IT WAS FREE! Sure I could have bought a nice car with many features that ran well for pretty cheap, but IT WASNT FREE.
Yes and yes. I'd link you, but Google is probably more helpful than me.
But you don't have to! You can still browse like you normally do with Firefox and IE without stuff getting in your way. Reading the documentation is for if you want to learn MORE.
Actually they came out around the same time shithead.
I already saw this one. I'll give you a clue: The big O wins.
The answer is yes:
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http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=dwh-sc.n
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.isro
I assume you've never used IIS 6.0 which has been out for 2 years. Very very secure, easily arguable moreso than apache.
But why would you believe that? I mean it's not like it's easy to find out..
And it can save a LOT of bandwidth. However, writing for it is currently a nightmare for the most part.
Show the "main" toolbar. Drag the buttons and address bar onto that. Hide the address bar. Voila!
Maybe you should actually TRY Opera8 first. Those menus are customized, and NOT the default menus.
Here's the number of items in each menu by default:
File: 11 (2 are submenus)
Edit: 10
View: 9 (5 submenus)
Bookmarks: 2 + all your bookmarks
Mail: 7 (1 submenu), plus this menu is only shown if you have a mail account
Tools: 11 (2 submenus)
Window: 11 (1 submenu) + windows open
Help: 6
Tab context menu: 9 (1 submenu)
And they are very organized.
So let's look at FF now.
File: 13
Edit: 9
View: 10 (5 submenus)
Go: 4 + history
Bookmarks: 5 (3 submenus)
Tools: 10
Help: 4
Tab context menu: 5
That's with FF having significantly less features than Opera.
Actually, you are wrong.
I am running Opera 8.0 with JS enabled and block unwanted popups set. The only popups I ever get are the ones I want and the onClick ones (such as at comics.com). This is good enough for me.
However, I got popups running FF 1.0 and the nightlies at these siets.
Oh, ok. So, if nobody "cares enough", then Gecko can just ignore a W3C standard? Gotcha.
Firefox is open source, so anyone can contribute. And the open-source is fully of great talents, right?
Why then, after 5 (almost 6) years, is the outline property in CSS not supported? Why is there no one able to fully implement this? Yes, I know about -moz-outline, but it's -moz-outline because they don't trust their own code enough after 5 years.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6647