"Open source developers are not your employee/slave, they will do whatever the hell they want and, as a user, you should just feel fortunate that your needs were similar to the coder's. Every newbie who wants to have a longterm relationship with open source must come to terms with this."
Well said. And a great statement of the reason why you should never trust a OS app in a mission critical capacity.
"It's things like this that make me wonder if the "TCO of Windows" is more likely the "TCO of having highly unqualified people working in your IT department who know how to spell XP, but nothing more than that".
Now now, you wouldn't want to actually use the tools available for managing windows...then you wouldn't be able to blow smoke at your boss every day about how much trouble it is.
"well it appears.NET is already on its way to obsolesence, as new longhorn technologies like Avalon, XAML, WinFS seems poise to make.NET seem like what DCOM was yesterday"
What in the world about those would make.NET obsolete?
I forget, this is/.... logic and facts don;t matter. Carry on with the bashing.
It's a very common/. pattern... it goes liek this...
1) Read a slanted article about MS 2) Let others on/. tell you how to feel about it 3) ??? 4) Flame Microsoft!
You can see this over in the Worm thread where you can branch a few ways...
a) if a problem arises and MS doesn't have a patch blame them for being too slow
b) if a problem arises and MS has a patch, come up with excuses why you didn't patch and blame MS for that
c) if a problem arises under Linux and there is no patch, say that the beauty of OSS is that a patch will be available soon. Blame MS somehow.
d) if a problem arises under Linux and there is a patch blame anyone who has reasons why they can't use the patch as clueless morons, blame MS somehow.
"Do responsible and on-the-ball IT staffs use SMS to patch their workstations in case individuals forget. Do responsible and on-the-ball IT staffs use a domain policy to enforce firewall rules on individual workstations..."
No. That would involve them actually learning the tools MS provides to make administering a large network easier instead of whining about how they want to switch to Linux all day.
This type of thing is EXACTLY what the domain policy system is in place for, between it and SMS there is really no excuse to whine and cry.
"As far as the MS firewall, the reason it doesn't get used much is that it completely lacks the ability to open up a port that you want open: it's all or nothing."
Hmm... thats an odd statement. I knwo we sure as hell can open up specific ports when we want to. Care to explain the problem?
"Autoupdates and immediate patching aren't options for large corporate networks"
Understood - but if you don't have a structure in place these days to test, validate and deploy a critical security patch in less than 14 days your begging to get an intruder or DOS.
The security landscape for ALL operating systems has changed, the internet means you no longet have the luxury of taking months to test every patch... you need to be able to test and deploy critical updates in a short timeframe.
Your inability to do so is not Microsofts fault.
And let's not forget if this was one of the SSH exploites everyone would have bee saying "thank god the patch is already online, I just ftp'd it down and we are up and running!".
YOu have to love it how many times someone says "Windows permissions suck!" and then later int he thread it turns out they have all the features someone wanted:)
Regardless of whether Mark derives income from sales of his graphics, it's clearly marked that his permission is required prior to use of the images.
He's lucky he's doing graphics and not sound, because everyone on/. agrees that you can rip, share, P2P and trade music with anyone you want regardless of the license you bought it under.
But since its only graphics, I guess he has the right to decide what happens with it.
But then, these are the same people who want to maintain copyright control of their own code (GPL) and steal anythign else they feel like they want (Napster, DeCSS and so on).
That's because he's twice as 3l33t as other people. These are the kind of braniacs that think referring to the president as "shrub" and IE as "Internet exploder" is clever and/or insightful.
This is trivially easy to set up... especially on Windows XP.
Not only is it easy to set up a dedicated admin account and make the user accounts non admin, but when one wants to install software you only have to right click and "Run As" to supply an admin password and install normally.
"What is so frigging hard to understand about that? Microoft has been convicted of leveraging their monopoly to enter into new fields."
And we here at/. know that if the courts say someone did something bad it MUST be true. The courts never....
Make mistakes about technology issues
Make flat out bad decisions
Get manipulated for political reasons
If a court says it's bad, it must be so. So stop arguing about the ethics of file sharing, cause the courts decided it's bad. Oh, and DeCSS? Get rid of it, the courts say that's bad too.
Thats an easy one. The general crowd on/. will abuse logic as necessary to back whatever let's them bash MS and pirate stuff to the maximum degree.
The recent study that "shows" that P2P isn't hurting music is a perfect example. Because the results are "good" for P2P they willc hampion it. If it had proven the opposite they woudl attack it as flawed.
This hypocrasy runs deep in in the culture here. Thhis blatan slant is, in fact, why/. is popular, hell "slant" is in the title!
"Just for curiousity's sake. Not out of any ill-will towards any particular company, since I'm sure that a lot of other companies are getting away with a lot more shit than the shit for which Microsoft got nailed."
Of course they do - the other companies also get away with using the legal system and the government as their attack dogs.
* Screwed up your bid at a product? Sue MS.
* CEO have a hard on cause Gates has a bigger helicopter? Sue MS.
* Bitter 'cause women don't think Mozilla makes you sexy? Cheer others on to sue MS.
* A failure in life? Sue MS.
It's currently the american way for those who screwed up to blame their problems ont hose who didn't. The MS situation is simply the regular jealously class war taken to the nerd arena.
"Everytime I plow through the Linux source code, I gasp!"
Tell me about it. Just reading the Kernal Traffic list lets you know how crazy things are in there.
I am always amused when a client asks me if they should move to Linux because they are worried that there are too many bugs in commercial software. The answer is...
"well, if you think betting your enterprise on hundreds of thousands of lines of code written by thousands of amateurs with almsot no oversite and no quality control is a good idea... you go right ahead".
Like a paranoid delusion. But it's anti-MS and anti intellectual property protection so no doubt you will get a +5.
Much like trusted ActiveX controls now the end user (or the company admin) of a DRM system will be given the option to grant trust to any third party app they chose.
However a DRM system WILL stop a lot of worms and so on from being run accidentally. And that is a good thing.
Client Licences bought in 20 packs at $799 each for "100 million active users" minus the 125,000 client licences 5,000 copies of W2k3 server would provide: $3,990,006,250 (again, they'd work a bulk deal I bet)
You don't need a CAL for web users, only oen for the web server itself. This is why youc an run a large website on a 5 CAL version of SQL server with no problem.
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"You either believe in abiding by software licenses or you don't. You can't have it both ways."
/. reader CAN manage to justify demanding respect for the GPL while pirating movies and music.
Of course the average
"Open source developers are not your employee/slave, they will do whatever the hell they want and, as a user, you should just feel fortunate that your needs were similar to the coder's. Every newbie who wants to have a longterm relationship with open source must come to terms with this."
Well said. And a great statement of the reason why you should never trust a OS app in a mission critical capacity.
"It's things like this that make me wonder if the "TCO of Windows" is more likely the "TCO of having highly unqualified people working in your IT department who know how to spell XP, but nothing more than that".
Now now, you wouldn't want to actually use the tools available for managing windows...then you wouldn't be able to blow smoke at your boss every day about how much trouble it is.
"The virus writers for UNIX attacks will be more limited in their attacks as long as users aren't running by default as root."
It's worth noting that Windows XP installs easily allow one to seperate the user and the "admin" accounts.
I suspect we'll eventually see the ability to "bless" an application with network access.
:)
Several (pay and free) Windows personal firewalls have this feature and with the advent of SP2 it is built into Windows XP itself.
Enjoy
"well it appears .NET is already on its way to obsolesence, as new longhorn technologies like Avalon, XAML, WinFS seems poise to make .NET seem like what DCOM was yesterday"
.NET obsolete?
/. ... logic and facts don;t matter. Carry on with the bashing.
What in the world about those would make
I forget, this is
Of course the same is true under 2K3 and XP. Reboots are very rare for minor patches.
:)
But don't let reality intrude on your dogma
It's there, but I don't have a non SP2 XP box to look up the method.
On a happy note, a XP box with SP2 installed has a nice GUI for such things right in Control Panel.
It's a very common /. pattern... it goes liek this...
/. tell you how to feel about it
1) Read a slanted article about MS
2) Let others on
3) ???
4) Flame Microsoft!
You can see this over in the Worm thread where you can branch a few ways...
a) if a problem arises and MS doesn't have a patch blame them for being too slow
b) if a problem arises and MS has a patch, come up with excuses why you didn't patch and blame MS for that
c) if a problem arises under Linux and there is no patch, say that the beauty of OSS is that a patch will be available soon. Blame MS somehow.
d) if a problem arises under Linux and there is a patch blame anyone who has reasons why they can't use the patch as clueless morons, blame MS somehow.
"Do responsible and on-the-ball IT staffs use SMS to patch their workstations in case individuals forget. Do responsible and on-the-ball IT staffs use a domain policy to enforce firewall rules on individual workstations..."
No. That would involve them actually learning the tools MS provides to make administering a large network easier instead of whining about how they want to switch to Linux all day.
This type of thing is EXACTLY what the domain policy system is in place for, between it and SMS there is really no excuse to whine and cry.
"As far as the MS firewall, the reason it doesn't get used much is that it completely lacks the ability to open up a port that you want open: it's all or nothing."
Hmm... thats an odd statement. I knwo we sure as hell can open up specific ports when we want to. Care to explain the problem?
"Autoupdates and immediate patching aren't options for large corporate networks"
Understood - but if you don't have a structure in place these days to test, validate and deploy a critical security patch in less than 14 days your begging to get an intruder or DOS.
The security landscape for ALL operating systems has changed, the internet means you no longet have the luxury of taking months to test every patch... you need to be able to test and deploy critical updates in a short timeframe.
Your inability to do so is not Microsofts fault.
And let's not forget if this was one of the SSH exploites everyone would have bee saying "thank god the patch is already online, I just ftp'd it down and we are up and running!".
YOu have to love it how many times someone says "Windows permissions suck!" and then later int he thread it turns out they have all the features someone wanted :)
It's easy...
(c) is GOOD if we can use it to screw over our enemies.
(c) is BAD if it prevents us from stealing something we don't want to pay for
Regardless of whether Mark derives income from sales of his graphics, it's clearly marked that his permission is required prior to use of the images.
/. agrees that you can rip, share, P2P and trade music with anyone you want regardless of the license you bought it under.
He's lucky he's doing graphics and not sound, because everyone on
But since its only graphics, I guess he has the right to decide what happens with it.
And blinded by hate, don't forget that.
But then, these are the same people who want to maintain copyright control of their own code (GPL) and steal anythign else they feel like they want (Napster, DeCSS and so on).
Not once, but TWICE you wrote micro$oft
That's because he's twice as 3l33t as other people. These are the kind of braniacs that think referring to the president as "shrub" and IE as "Internet exploder" is clever and/or insightful.
th3y R 3l33t m@n, you just don't get it!
?parent was modded Insightful?
You didn't even read the summary, let alone the article.
Are you such a zealot that you'll start your whining before you knwo what your talking about?
Don't bother answering.
This is trivially easy to set up... especially on Windows XP.
:)
Not only is it easy to set up a dedicated admin account and make the user accounts non admin, but when one wants to install software you only have to right click and "Run As" to supply an admin password and install normally.
Enjoy
And we here at
The courts never....
If a court says it's bad, it must be so. So stop arguing about the ethics of
file sharing, cause the courts decided it's bad. Oh, and DeCSS? Get rid of it,
the courts say that's bad too.
Slashdot, lapdog of the legal system.
What's up with that?
/. will abuse logic as necessary to back whatever let's them bash MS and pirate stuff to the maximum degree.
/. is popular, hell "slant" is in the title!
Thats an easy one. The general crowd on
The recent study that "shows" that P2P isn't hurting music is a perfect example. Because the results are "good" for P2P they willc hampion it. If it had proven the opposite they woudl attack it as flawed.
This hypocrasy runs deep in in the culture here. Thhis blatan slant is, in fact, why
"Just for curiousity's sake. Not out of any ill-will towards any particular company, since I'm sure that a lot of other companies are getting away with a lot more shit than the shit for which Microsoft got nailed."
Of course they do - the other companies also get away with using the legal system and the government as their attack dogs.
* Screwed up your bid at a product? Sue MS.
* CEO have a hard on cause Gates has a bigger helicopter? Sue MS.
* Bitter 'cause women don't think Mozilla makes you sexy? Cheer others on to sue MS.
* A failure in life? Sue MS.
It's currently the american way for those who screwed up to blame their problems ont hose who didn't. The MS situation is simply the regular jealously class war taken to the nerd arena.
"Everytime I plow through the Linux source code, I gasp!"
Tell me about it. Just reading the Kernal Traffic list lets you know how crazy things are in there.
I am always amused when a client asks me if they should move to Linux because they are worried that there are too many bugs in commercial software. The answer is...
"well, if you think betting your enterprise on hundreds of thousands of lines of code written by thousands of amateurs with almsot no oversite and no quality control is a good idea... you go right ahead".
"How does all that sound???
Like a paranoid delusion. But it's anti-MS and anti intellectual property protection so no doubt you will get a +5.
Much like trusted ActiveX controls now the end user (or the company admin) of a DRM system will be given the option to grant trust to any third party app they chose.
However a DRM system WILL stop a lot of worms and so on from being run accidentally. And that is a good thing.
Client Licences bought in 20 packs at $799 each for "100 million active users" minus the 125,000 client licences 5,000 copies of W2k3 server would provide: $3,990,006,250 (again, they'd work a bulk deal I bet)
You don't need a CAL for web users, only oen for the web server itself. This is why youc an run a large website on a 5 CAL version of SQL server with no problem.