yeah, well if you're on Windows, you should now feel enough shame to step away and stop being part of the virus runtime cluster environment.
Or update to anything like a recent version of the Software. Using a flaw in IE5 that is fixed by security updates as a reason to go to Linux is like using a security flaw in the Linux 1.1 kernal as a reason to switch to MacOS.
Well your right there. The truth is most open source projects quietly die when the 16 year old who thought he could get 100 others to help him write "the best game ever d00dz!" realizes he's wrong.
Of what's left, most die when they figure out that most code written by strangers sucks.
O very, very few get quality code and support and survive.
"but we can do this in America! You can't fine us if we can do it in America!"
I know the last thing you want is a fact, but that's not how the argument goes.
The argument is that actions in the US are covered by US law, and that a European nation taking punative action for things a US firm does on US soil is not a good thing.
But hey, as long as its "M$" (in hax0r speak) getting screwed who cares how bad an idea it is, long live the myopic vengeful Penguin!
We demand the right to steal music and software without legal interferance, save that for peopel making money!
Or could it be that system security depends more on diligent admins than software?
Can't be. We all know that anyone who runs Linux has perfect security!
What's funny is the lame self delusion - if there were 5 Linux compromises a week to one IIS they woudl simply claim that the IIS ones are unreported:)
"An unpatched IE has a lot (two words btw) of holes. The current default activex settings protect from this. Outlook 2003 also protects from this because the preview pane will not activate any code or download anything (linked pics etc) unless the user tells it to."
Now now, why bring anything like a fact into this?:inux zealots are a lot like Feminists, they are so in love with their "data" they never update it. Long after Outlook changed the default settings and closed this hole they will still claim the hole exists and yell "switch to Mozilla!". This is exactly like femanists who keep quoting a 15 year old statistic from some Dworkin acolyte about rape.
They dontt want to know that things have changed - they would much rather live in a past that justified their fear and hatred.
In other words, Open Souce software can only really make progress in most cases when corporations sponsor it.
What happened to the idea that millions of highly talented programmers woudl "mad skillz" would flock in and make it all happen out of the goodness of their heart?
A, wait... it's reality causing the problem.
(p.s. yeah, yeah... mod me down cause it pisses you off I am right)
I just love how when it suits the Linux community they are all about slapping Microsoft around for violating someones patent - but when a patent is standing in their way they clearly all patents are bad.
But then, you can't expect much from a community that relies on copyrights to protect then (GPL) and spends the rest of their time arguing that pirating music is a moral imperative.
Since Winsows 2000 there has been no reason to run your daily activities under an administrator account there is no "security flaw" here either - just bad administration.
A user in any of the places I admin who ran this virus would do no damage - because they simply do not have access to over-write that file.
Well 78% of the developers out there disagree with you.
And they are welcome to go with Java then:) I doubt that the winwriters.com survey is scientific or all inclusive.
"strong advantages" eh? Like what exactly?
Visual Studio (one of the best IDE's going) a fantastic framework and ease of work across languages. Not to mention a much more stable target environment.
Everyone who writes non trivial Java applicatiosn knows that the ability to run on multiple VM's is often frought with peril, let alone across platforms.
Does it work? Sure. Is it a lock? hell no.
Looking for something unique to.NET over Java? An event model that is functionally equivelent when rendering to Windows native or HTML clients.
"How many phones are going to have.NET pre-installed? Is that even possible?"
1) No idea - but I doubt that applet apps delivered to phones is a big market for msot developers. On the other hand web applications that deliver to phones via a browser will be huge:)
2) As far as I know, yes.
My main problem right now is that I still have no idea what.NET is capable of, and I've spent way too much time looking already.
Look in the right places. Download the framework, go grab web matrix from someplace and write a little code.
Could someone explain to me exactly what.NET is good for, that couldn't be better accomplished using
Java, or Win32/C++, or PHP? Seriously.
Seriously? I doubt many people will actually pay any attention to the
answers.
I can't see it being useful for games, because
it's going to be slower than C++.
While it may be slightly slower (and I mean slightly) the problem is easily
solved and/or irrelevant. because your calling the highly optimized stuff in
DirectX for most of the graphics work your speed issues are minimal and any core
routing that is really slowing you down can be coded in something else without
forcing the whole project into a less useful environment.
I can't see it being useful for cross-platform GUI
apps because there's no guarantee that.NET really is cross-platform.
For most developers the issue of cross platform is irrelevant. In general I
can support most biz needs via a web service anyway or in Windows. The rest of
the world is Mac (and there WILL be a Mac implementation because Office on the
Mac is a good cash source) or Linux - and Linux is irrelevant for this type of
thing.
I can't see it being better than any of the
various web development solutions (PHP, cold fusion, etc...)
Then you haven't looked very hard. The Web controls, event model and code
behind features are light years ahead of CF and PHP. mod_perl isn't even a
player.
I can't see it being useful for enterprise server
side apps because Java is more mature, more reliable, and has a VM
implementation on lots of different platforms.
The enterprise level apps I have been involved with are either Intranet based
(and this.NET is perfect) or Windows based. In both cases.NET is a great
environment and has strong advantages over Java. Besides, given how much Sun is
throwing their weight around with Java most firms see java as a single source
tool and Sun is a much less attractive partner.
I can't see it being useful for PDA/Phone apps
because the framework is too heavyweight.
You can cut the framework down for custom applications.
So I know that it's new and shiny and
Microsoft....but what, exactly, is it good for? What can you do with.NET that you can't do better with something else?
It's as good or better than Java, runs as fast as C++ and is much easier to
code for than Win32. The web event model rocks and the ability to mix languages
kicks ass.
This is only relevant if you assume that there is no value in having a technological advantage in the code.
When you invest a few million in developer time to improve a codebase it is almost always stupid to just distribute that source so all your competators can copy it.
"Now, given such an environment...it's pretty silly to even consider something like, "Hey...we'll sell you MS Nuker 95 because Windows is fast, reliable, and secure! Of course we can't show you our source code, you just have to trust us..."
Except of course that MS >WILL allow the government access to the source code... jsut liek they do for other large clients.
Actually, the problem is that point #3 is true - these accessories have been prohibited.
The question is - is that a good thing? Is that a legal thing?
As for why ask on Slashdot - because a fairly large number of peopel here follow copyright issues and it seemed someone might have a link to a relevant case.
Maybe your right, maybe I should have known better. I mean, there isn;t a chance to bash MS for anything so how can it be a good topic for/.
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yeah, well if you're on Windows, you should now feel enough shame to step away and stop being part of the virus runtime cluster environment.
Or update to anything like a recent version of the Software. Using a flaw in IE5 that is fixed by security updates as a reason to go to Linux is like using a security flaw in the Linux 1.1 kernal as a reason to switch to MacOS.
Maybe the impression that new MS platforms break old 3rd party stuff comes from the fact that there are a hell of a lot of 3rd party stuff out there?
/., logic won't fly here. I know this is goign to blow some of my karma but seriously this is just nuts.
.. thats what 5 major revisions ago and a decade or two?
This is
On WindowsXP you can run a lot of software that was written for Windows 3.1 and/or WFWG3.11
Folks jsut hate MS on general principle, and it blinds them to the technical realities.
Well your right there. The truth is most open source projects quietly die when the 16 year old who thought he could get 100 others to help him write "the best game ever d00dz!" realizes he's wrong.
Of what's left, most die when they figure out that most code written by strangers sucks.
O very, very few get quality code and support and survive.
"but we can do this in America! You can't fine us if we can do it in America!"
I know the last thing you want is a fact, but that's not how the argument goes.
The argument is that actions in the US are covered by US law, and that a European nation taking punative action for things a US firm does on US soil is not a good thing.
But hey, as long as its "M$" (in hax0r speak) getting screwed who cares how bad an idea it is, long live the myopic vengeful Penguin!
We demand the right to steal music and software without legal interferance, save that for peopel making money!
Or could it be that system security depends more on diligent admins than software?
:)
Can't be. We all know that anyone who runs Linux has perfect security!
What's funny is the lame self delusion - if there were 5 Linux compromises a week to one IIS they woudl simply claim that the IIS ones are unreported
"An unpatched IE has a lot (two words btw) of holes. The current default activex settings protect from this.
:inux zealots are a lot like Feminists, they are so in love with their "data" they never update it. Long after Outlook changed the default settings and closed this hole they will still claim the hole exists and yell "switch to Mozilla!". This is exactly like femanists who keep quoting a 15 year old statistic from some Dworkin acolyte about rape.
Outlook 2003 also protects from this because the preview pane will not activate any code or download anything (linked pics etc) unless the user tells it to."
Now now, why bring anything like a fact into this?
They dontt want to know that things have changed - they would much rather live in a past that justified their fear and hatred.
In other words, Open Souce software can only really make progress in most cases when corporations sponsor it.
What happened to the idea that millions of highly talented programmers woudl "mad skillz" would flock in and make it all happen out of the goodness of their heart?
A, wait... it's reality causing the problem.
(p.s. yeah, yeah... mod me down cause it pisses you off I am right)
I just love how when it suits the Linux community they are all about slapping Microsoft around for violating someones patent - but when a patent is standing in their way they clearly all patents are bad.
But then, you can't expect much from a community that relies on copyrights to protect then (GPL) and spends the rest of their time arguing that pirating music is a moral imperative.
Since Winsows 2000 there has been no reason to run your daily activities under an administrator account there is no "security flaw" here either - just bad administration.
A user in any of the places I admin who ran this virus would do no damage - because they simply do not have access to over-write that file.
How dare you be reasonable when you have a chance to whine and cry about how bad Microsoft is.
On Slashdot? You must be joking.
Well 78% of the developers out there disagree with you.
:) I doubt that the winwriters.com survey is scientific or all inclusive.
.NET over Java? An event model that is functionally equivelent when rendering to Windows native or HTML clients.
.NET pre-installed? Is that even possible?"
:)
.NET is capable of, and I've spent way too much time looking already.
And they are welcome to go with Java then
"strong advantages" eh? Like what exactly?
Visual Studio (one of the best IDE's going) a fantastic framework and ease of work across languages. Not to mention a much more stable target environment.
Everyone who writes non trivial Java applicatiosn knows that the ability to run on multiple VM's is often frought with peril, let alone across platforms.
Does it work? Sure. Is it a lock? hell no.
Looking for something unique to
"How many phones are going to have
1) No idea - but I doubt that applet apps delivered to phones is a big market for msot developers. On the other hand web applications that deliver to phones via a browser will be huge
2) As far as I know, yes.
My main problem right now is that I still have no idea what
Look in the right places. Download the framework, go grab web matrix from someplace and write a little code.
You don't have to spend a dime.
Seriously? I doubt many people will actually pay any attention to the answers.
While it may be slightly slower (and I mean slightly) the problem is easily solved and/or irrelevant. because your calling the highly optimized stuff in DirectX for most of the graphics work your speed issues are minimal and any core routing that is really slowing you down can be coded in something else without forcing the whole project into a less useful environment.
For most developers the issue of cross platform is irrelevant. In general I can support most biz needs via a web service anyway or in Windows. The rest of the world is Mac (and there WILL be a Mac implementation because Office on the Mac is a good cash source) or Linux - and Linux is irrelevant for this type of thing.
Then you haven't looked very hard. The Web controls, event model and code behind features are light years ahead of CF and PHP. mod_perl isn't even a player.
The enterprise level apps I have been involved with are either Intranet based (and this .NET is perfect) or Windows based. In both cases .NET is a great
environment and has strong advantages over Java. Besides, given how much Sun is
throwing their weight around with Java most firms see java as a single source
tool and Sun is a much less attractive partner.
You can cut the framework down for custom applications.
It's as good or better than Java, runs as fast as C++ and is much easier to code for than Win32. The web event model rocks and the ability to mix languages kicks ass.
In short, it's good.
Those web forums usually aren't archived by Google (or anyone else), so they have no sense of permanence.
Thats true, but BoardReader has proven to be useful in this respect.
Right - the don't have $15 for a CD... so clearly those poor kids don't have money for ... say ... beer.
Those poor, poor Yale students.
What? And ruin a perfectly good FUD article about Microsoft?
/. doesn't have any interest in accuracy... either in viewpoint or even editorial tasks.
Please.
If it's anti-MS they'll leave it as skewed as possible.
Remote Desktop is extremely fast.
"Hi, I'm the one with nothing to do, so I talk shit about people on slashdot"
Does anyone else see the humor in this guy takign the time to post this?
This is only relevant if you assume that there is no value in having a technological advantage in the code.
When you invest a few million in developer time to improve a codebase it is almost always stupid to just distribute that source so all your competators can copy it.
But it's basically the only joke they know :)
It's amazing the number of supposedly knowledgable people who don't have any idea that Windows is extremely stable these days.
They make sure their prejudice keeps them from learning something - and that is why Linux is doomed to be an "also ran" forever.
You realize windows, like linux, uses a lot of ram for disk cache, and can dump the cache as soon as an app needs memory?
Now you've done it. You've brought facts into this. Don't you know anti-MS fud is allt hat will be tolerated?
I fail to see why it is a bad idea for MS to upgrade their inter-operability with other MS products.
/. would whine that Exchange and Outlook "don't even integrate well with each other - how st00pid!".
/. users will complaina bout MS no matter what happens.
Of course, if the didn;t do this someone at
Two truths:
1) One of the benefits fo being a large, multi-product form is that interoperability is improved.
2) most
..."Britney Spears listens to YOU!!!"
:)
Now THAT, that I could work with
"Now, given such an environment...it's pretty silly to even consider something like, "Hey...we'll sell you MS Nuker 95 because Windows is fast, reliable, and secure! Of course we can't show you our source code, you just have to trust us..."
Except of course that MS >WILL allow the government access to the source code... jsut liek they do for other large clients.
Actually, the problem is that point #3 is true - these accessories have been prohibited.
/.
The question is - is that a good thing? Is that a legal thing?
As for why ask on Slashdot - because a fairly large number of peopel here follow copyright issues and it seemed someone might have a link to a relevant case.
Maybe your right, maybe I should have known better. I mean, there isn;t a chance to bash MS for anything so how can it be a good topic for
Dad?
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