Some of the codecs, at least those that were developed a few years back when internet telephony first became legitimized, compress first for a good reason. They model their encoding on the "physiological" aspects of speech. The audio is analyzed for things like the noise component and formants, and simplified considerably. It is this analysis, I'm guessing, that is the "compression."
I read as far as where Erik Davis wrote "I got paid pretty good for a youngster" and I couldn't take any more. I thought this was a serious article about and by writers. I guess we can all call ourselves writers (typers), couldn't we?
My son would correct me and tell me I was "paid pretty well". My teacher would tell me "pretty" describes scenery and, um, er, members of the fairer sex. And if I were "paid pretty good" I'd invest some of my earnings in a few grammar lessons. I hate to be picky, but we are witnessing the bastardization of the English language at almost global-warming speed. Not that Slashdotters help any, relentlesly referring to organizations in the plural form, as in "Apple are going to release a flame-retardant case for the Nano..." Yikes!
Talk about missed opportunities. I just listened to an NPR story at around 8:20 eastern time (US) about particle physics and the super collider. They mentioned how a particle zooming around in it would have the force of a bus, and colliding two particles would be an enormous crash. They talked about how particle physics has stagnated for the past few decades, about how the collider was built, and oddly enough, about what a breach of the coil would do. But no mention of an "accident." Hmmm. I guess I need to mail my pledge check.
I am currently doing contract work at a financial institution where we are evaluating several security measures from different vendors in order to comply with the FFEIC guidelines. One feature we are considering is a passmark.
At first the passmark seemed like a great idea until I tried to remember which of the borkerage accounts I had recently required me to set one up. At that poit I realized how virtually useless it really was, because if I couldn't remember if it was Fidelity or Vanguard (it was Vanguard) then how would I know if the image was missing?
I couldn't argue at work, based on anecdotal evidence with a population of one, that the approach was flawed. Now I am happy to see that research by respected intitutions is being done to prove (or disprove) popular trends as being viable (or worthless).
Thirty years or so ago I loved the idea of having Raquel Welch swimming around in my body. Have you seen her lately? She's probably the reason I need my arteries un-clogged in the first place.
I always wondered why Stanley Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" was banned in Great Britain. It's not because of the (artistics and satirical portrayal of the) ultra-sex or ultra-violence. It was because of the "Ludovico Treatment." The removal of the protagonist Alex's choice is what the movie is all about. Perhaps they British government didn't want to let their dirtly little secret slip out.
And in the progressive seventies it was almost absurd to think that something like the Ludovico treatment would ever come about. Memories of Nazism and Fascism were too fresh in everyone's minds, as were the new found freedoms exercised in Europe and the Americas during the sixties. 1984? No Way. Never Happen.
Surprise, surprise. Here we are, with roadblocks and sobriety checkpoints so common in the US that the continual eroding of our freedoms has enabled the creation of the Patriot Act, the NSA spying on citizens, and who know what else. Freedom? Not in the US, so why should you guys be free? I never thought I would live to see such a mess. But here we are, we let it happen. Tilt your head back, let them insert the ice pick, and drift off to that carefree life you only dreamed about. Welcome to the future.
I started programming in high school in the early seventies, and in college I was taught about efficiency (with respect to "x"), programming style, and programming correctness. Back then most software was done on punched cards, and you had better make sure that your code worked right before keypunching it. Yes, you read correctly, no code and check, code and check, etc. The turn around time was hours, and the cost of computers and computer time slices was very high.
Microcomputers were a great tool for Comp. Sci. students since they let you experiment and grow in real time. Computers such as the HeathKit H-8 were extremely open and provided access to the software and hardware, something that is no longer the norm but relegated to the specialty areas of PIC programing, for instance.
Anyway, when MS-DOS came out it was OK, but not great. And it came with BASIC and MASM and an edit program and sample code. Nice, and for computer scientists it was still a springboard, a tool. And most real programming was done in 8080 assembler language. When MS-DOS 2.18 (I believe) came out with "file handles" and memory allocation and improved methods of loading.EXE and.COM files, it seemed like a nice leap forward. At the time, I was working at SyncSort, a top-notch mainframe software vendor (managed by some really bizzare people, which I guess is fitting of software companies), and learned that the trick to sorting was allocating resources: memory and disk space. Anyway, I wrote a file entab/detab program in 8080 assembler using the new interrupt calls, and the program screamed. It allocated as much memory as it could in two chunks, one for input and one for output, read the file, processed the text, and wrote the file out. It ran so fast I spent more time verifying the results than writing and running the program. As part of my checking, I ran one of the bundled programs from Microsoft that did the same thing. I was amazed. The demo program on the new OS that had all these great features, read and wrote a character at a time. Read. Write. Read. Write. I couldn't believe it. You would think that the shoemaker's children wouldn't go barefoot, that Microsoft would have developers at least as competent as me, taking full advantage of their own tools. Ha! My program could entab/detab files of tens of kilobytes in a second or so. Microsoft's took the better part of an hour. I was disillusioned. I swore never to touch a Microsoft-based machine again. And I didn't, for over a decade.
My bias continues, now, because I continue to see bloatware. I don't see the largest software company making god use of software reuse, best practices, efficiency with respect to this or that. Nothing. I do admire the fact that they have created large systems of programs that work together to solve business problems. But so do other smaller companies.
Oh yeah, and the interview. In 1985 or so I sent Microsoft an unsolicited library of vector-based 2D graphic routines, a continuation of my Master's work that I toyed with. I was surprised when I got a call from Seattle and was asked to come up for a few days, spend the weekend if I liked. Great! I interviewed and loved it. It was a day of highly technical tests and quizzes and I thought I was in, until I met with the last manager. "How hard do you work?" Huh? "How do you know when you are finished working on something?" Wha? Nothing I could say was right, and my elation turned to despair. Needless to say, I didn't get the job. My friends didn't believe me, until later more and more stories came out about their interview questions such as "How many gas stations are there in the US?" Um, obviously the answers to those questions have helped make their software small, fast, secure, etc.
I would have loved to have the opportunity to work for Microsoft, and think they would have benefited from my training and experience. I like to think it was their loss. Anyone in my graduating class from Rhody would have contributed to Microsoft more than they can imagine. More than they can afford to admit. Why do you dislike Microsoft?
I was in college and loved computer science. I bought and assembled not only the H-8, a wonderful 8080-based machine, but also the notorious H-19 "terminal" - a real monster of a kit that gave me nothing but troubles. The H-8 was an incredible machine, and still ranks among the best experiences I ever had. It had a nice breadboard board that you could have fun with, and an extension card so you could raise the breadboard card out of the chasis and play with it while your machine was running. I miss those days.
I didn't RTA, though owning an iPod the first thing I think of is how the clickwheel responds to volume and tracking - rewind/foward - gestures. I would think that if anything Apple is adding more protection to it's iPod intellectual property.
Yes, I agree. The first thing I thought of when I read this and similar articles was what about all the waste, especially from the betteries. I don't enjoy the occassional trip to McDonalds, and I like their Happy Meal toys with batteries burited deep inside them even less. Now this. At what point is a new technology deemed cool but "uh uh, nope!".
I saw Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn give their 2005 ACM Turing Award Lecture yesterday at UPenn. The thing that amazed me most was the demographics of the audience. There were enough 40-50 something men there to give me the creeps (OK, I'm guilty, I've been in this field too long, myself). But three things stuck out: the relatively small number of American women, the relatively larger number of Asian women, and the large number of Asians in general.
At work I lead a team of four developers, two men (Americans) and two women (Asians). It shouldn't have come as a surprise, but my workplace (and the lecture crowd) isn't representative of what my past experience has been. I guess I need to get out more. Anyway, I find it quite interesting that Vint Cerf's name and the demise of Americans in tech, science, what have you, are in the same sentence, since I had my epiphany at his lecture.
I tried today to converse (remotely) with one of my Asian staffers but it was polite banter and I didn't pursue the apparent majority of Asian students. She did observe that American interest in tech was waning due to outsourcing - agreed; but it doesn't explain the explosion of Asian students of CS/IT in this country. I will definitely talk with both my staffers some more, as they are wonderful friends.
This has always been a touchy subject. It does seem that our friends and relatives seem to be pretty smart, but it is something you don't want to raise in public or even among friends, since it smacks of ethnocentrism. But along with the benefits, there seems to be a high prevalence of depression, cancer, and other ills. Whether or not this is true, Hitler, the Moral Majority, and other movements have made it even harder to talk about something sensitive like this that may, in fact, have a scientific basis after all.
A shameless plug of my cousin and his son's team who came in first in FIRST. I got an email from my family saying the guys were in Georgia along with a link. No mention of the fact that they actually won the national competition! May to go, Mat, Neil and team!!
Apple is, damn it, Apple is. I am so sick and tired of reading comments that refer to a corporate entity, such as Apple, as a collective. This is more primitive than the their/there and your/you're errors. Argh!!!
I knew this girl in college that did amazing things with candles and vegetables, including carrots. I know for a fact she won't die of cancer. She OD'd in '86.
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It's kind of funny, but our personalities do, generally, suck! I have finally given up fighting it, though, and realize that by becoming a decent manager I can actually improve my people skills and better my life in general.
If your company is behind you and realize you are a geek but have intelligence, they'll help you. See if they can give you a psychological profile. It sounds worse than it is, and you need to be open to it. they'll tell you what you are like (although you should already know) and what is desireable in a manager/leader. But most importantly, they'll tell you what to do to go from here to there.
I also reccommend reading the books by Geald M. Weinberg, such as "Becoming a Technical Leader: An Organic Problem-Solving Approach" and "The Psychology of Computer Programming: Silver Anniversary Edition." Good luck, you'll appreciate the effort and so will your boss.
I just installed the latest Tiger Preview last night. It seems to be just like Panther in many respects. I can't say I was wowed by the all of new features since:
I didn't spend much time using it
I'm never that excited by new features until I learn their value through use over time.
That said, there is one new feature that really impressed me: Smart Folders. They are part of Spotlight and are very similar to Smart Playlists in iTunes. In essence they are "virtual folders" that you define using rules. I set one up to list all of my images. It works in conjunction with the indexing provided by Spotlight and seemed to be very fast. I think this one new feature will be the standout in the next release.
I worked at a cool company in NJ in the 90's where everyone but me, it seemed, had PhD's and from places like MIT and Princeton. Two of the guys used to joke they invented a "Stupid Gun" that would identify and shoot stupid people. Trouble was, they could never get it to not light up and fire at people. I guess it's all a matter of perspective, huh?
What about noise? A physical device spinning that fast is going to produce hypersonic as well as audible noise. Phase I: Put jet engine in cell phone. Phase II: ? Phase II: Profit from putting even smaller jet engines in hearing aids.
I find I buy more music now that own an iPod. And I am not implying that I ever "borrowed" any previously. I have about 700+ tracks on my iPod and when the feeling moves me I go to iTunes and buy another album. The ITMS library is growing, too, and now includes a sizeable collection of the works of Brian Eno (great for coding, writing specs, so on.) I don't know where Monkey Boy Ballmer gets his info, and wouldn't want to go there. Unless all the interns at Microsoft trade music freely...
I bought one just last month and switched providors to do so. I bought it primarily for the Bluetooth capability - I'm on a kick lately, as I bought a Palm Tungsten T3 and a Navman Bluetooth GPS module to go with my PowerBook.
Like all Nokia phones, the battery is incredible. The keys are a little small for an old phart like me, but they are very useable. The clamshell QWERTY keyboard is also a little hard to use, but easier than ditsing around with the keys when trying to type more meaningful memos. I used it to the max for the first month sending text messages and it was better than my whining makes it out to be.
In addition to the phone, I bought a Motorola Bluetooth headset. It is by far the best complement to the phone! The two make an unbeatable pair. Oh yeah, the phone has a camera and the one time it screwed up was when I took a booty shot of my wife. Um, this is slashdot, right? Scratch that. The video mode is cool. Anyway, the 6820 is a solid phone and I hope to get a few years of service out of it.
It's a Mac OS 9 looking window, you insensitive clod! Also, the "virus" is an LDEF, a control-like code resource. The machines in the movie look like windows boxes, but most are Macs.
Right, battery life was what made me choose a Nokia 6820 over a Moto phone. I was looking for a bluetooth enabled phone two weeks ago to integrate with my Powerbook and Palm Tungsten T3, and Nokia had the whole package. So when I read the headlines on the bottom of the TV this morning I wished it was Nokia. Damn.
Motorola makes sense because of their long standing partnership with Apple. But their phones need a portable power plant. Still, it's good news for Apple shareholders.
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Some of the codecs, at least those that were developed a few years back when internet telephony first became legitimized, compress first for a good reason. They model their encoding on the "physiological" aspects of speech. The audio is analyzed for things like the noise component and formants, and simplified considerably. It is this analysis, I'm guessing, that is the "compression."
I read as far as where Erik Davis wrote "I got paid pretty good for a youngster" and I couldn't take any more. I thought this was a serious article about and by writers. I guess we can all call ourselves writers (typers), couldn't we?
My son would correct me and tell me I was "paid pretty well". My teacher would tell me "pretty" describes scenery and, um, er, members of the fairer sex. And if I were "paid pretty good" I'd invest some of my earnings in a few grammar lessons. I hate to be picky, but we are witnessing the bastardization of the English language at almost global-warming speed. Not that Slashdotters help any, relentlesly referring to organizations in the plural form, as in "Apple are going to release a flame-retardant case for the Nano..." Yikes!
I've never laughed so hard! Moderators, bump this up to a 5
Talk about missed opportunities. I just listened to an NPR story at around 8:20 eastern time (US) about particle physics and the super collider. They mentioned how a particle zooming around in it would have the force of a bus, and colliding two particles would be an enormous crash. They talked about how particle physics has stagnated for the past few decades, about how the collider was built, and oddly enough, about what a breach of the coil would do. But no mention of an "accident." Hmmm. I guess I need to mail my pledge check.
I am currently doing contract work at a financial institution where we are evaluating several security measures from different vendors in order to comply with the FFEIC guidelines. One feature we are considering is a passmark.
At first the passmark seemed like a great idea until I tried to remember which of the borkerage accounts I had recently required me to set one up. At that poit I realized how virtually useless it really was, because if I couldn't remember if it was Fidelity or Vanguard (it was Vanguard) then how would I know if the image was missing?
I couldn't argue at work, based on anecdotal evidence with a population of one, that the approach was flawed. Now I am happy to see that research by respected intitutions is being done to prove (or disprove) popular trends as being viable (or worthless).
Thirty years or so ago I loved the idea of having Raquel Welch swimming around in my body. Have you seen her lately? She's probably the reason I need my arteries un-clogged in the first place.
I always wondered why Stanley Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" was banned in Great Britain. It's not because of the (artistics and satirical portrayal of the) ultra-sex or ultra-violence. It was because of the "Ludovico Treatment." The removal of the protagonist Alex's choice is what the movie is all about. Perhaps they British government didn't want to let their dirtly little secret slip out.
And in the progressive seventies it was almost absurd to think that something like the Ludovico treatment would ever come about. Memories of Nazism and Fascism were too fresh in everyone's minds, as were the new found freedoms exercised in Europe and the Americas during the sixties. 1984? No Way. Never Happen.
Surprise, surprise. Here we are, with roadblocks and sobriety checkpoints so common in the US that the continual eroding of our freedoms has enabled the creation of the Patriot Act, the NSA spying on citizens, and who know what else. Freedom? Not in the US, so why should you guys be free? I never thought I would live to see such a mess. But here we are, we let it happen. Tilt your head back, let them insert the ice pick, and drift off to that carefree life you only dreamed about. Welcome to the future.
I started programming in high school in the early seventies, and in college I was taught about efficiency (with respect to "x"), programming style, and programming correctness. Back then most software was done on punched cards, and you had better make sure that your code worked right before keypunching it. Yes, you read correctly, no code and check, code and check, etc. The turn around time was hours, and the cost of computers and computer time slices was very high.
Microcomputers were a great tool for Comp. Sci. students since they let you experiment and grow in real time. Computers such as the HeathKit H-8 were extremely open and provided access to the software and hardware, something that is no longer the norm but relegated to the specialty areas of PIC programing, for instance.
Anyway, when MS-DOS came out it was OK, but not great. And it came with BASIC and MASM and an edit program and sample code. Nice, and for computer scientists it was still a springboard, a tool. And most real programming was done in 8080 assembler language. When MS-DOS 2.18 (I believe) came out with "file handles" and memory allocation and improved methods of loading .EXE and .COM files, it seemed like a nice leap forward. At the time, I was working at SyncSort, a top-notch mainframe software vendor (managed by some really bizzare people, which I guess is fitting of software companies), and learned that the trick to sorting was allocating resources: memory and disk space. Anyway, I wrote a file entab/detab program in 8080 assembler using the new interrupt calls, and the program screamed. It allocated as much memory as it could in two chunks, one for input and one for output, read the file, processed the text, and wrote the file out. It ran so fast I spent more time verifying the results than writing and running the program. As part of my checking, I ran one of the bundled programs from Microsoft that did the same thing. I was amazed. The demo program on the new OS that had all these great features, read and wrote a character at a time. Read. Write. Read. Write. I couldn't believe it. You would think that the shoemaker's children wouldn't go barefoot, that Microsoft would have developers at least as competent as me, taking full advantage of their own tools. Ha! My program could entab/detab files of tens of kilobytes in a second or so. Microsoft's took the better part of an hour. I was disillusioned. I swore never to touch a Microsoft-based machine again. And I didn't, for over a decade.
My bias continues, now, because I continue to see bloatware. I don't see the largest software company making god use of software reuse, best practices, efficiency with respect to this or that. Nothing. I do admire the fact that they have created large systems of programs that work together to solve business problems. But so do other smaller companies.
Oh yeah, and the interview. In 1985 or so I sent Microsoft an unsolicited library of vector-based 2D graphic routines, a continuation of my Master's work that I toyed with. I was surprised when I got a call from Seattle and was asked to come up for a few days, spend the weekend if I liked. Great! I interviewed and loved it. It was a day of highly technical tests and quizzes and I thought I was in, until I met with the last manager. "How hard do you work?" Huh? "How do you know when you are finished working on something?" Wha? Nothing I could say was right, and my elation turned to despair. Needless to say, I didn't get the job. My friends didn't believe me, until later more and more stories came out about their interview questions such as "How many gas stations are there in the US?" Um, obviously the answers to those questions have helped make their software small, fast, secure, etc.
I would have loved to have the opportunity to work for Microsoft, and think they would have benefited from my training and experience. I like to think it was their loss. Anyone in my graduating class from Rhody would have contributed to Microsoft more than they can imagine. More than they can afford to admit. Why do you dislike Microsoft?
EdI was in college and loved computer science. I bought and assembled not only the H-8, a wonderful 8080-based machine, but also the notorious H-19 "terminal" - a real monster of a kit that gave me nothing but troubles. The H-8 was an incredible machine, and still ranks among the best experiences I ever had. It had a nice breadboard board that you could have fun with, and an extension card so you could raise the breadboard card out of the chasis and play with it while your machine was running. I miss those days.
I didn't RTA, though owning an iPod the first thing I think of is how the clickwheel responds to volume and tracking - rewind/foward - gestures. I would think that if anything Apple is adding more protection to it's iPod intellectual property.
Yes, I agree. The first thing I thought of when I read this and similar articles was what about all the waste, especially from the betteries. I don't enjoy the occassional trip to McDonalds, and I like their Happy Meal toys with batteries burited deep inside them even less. Now this. At what point is a new technology deemed cool but "uh uh, nope!".
I saw Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn give their 2005 ACM Turing Award Lecture yesterday at UPenn. The thing that amazed me most was the demographics of the audience. There were enough 40-50 something men there to give me the creeps (OK, I'm guilty, I've been in this field too long, myself). But three things stuck out: the relatively small number of American women, the relatively larger number of Asian women, and the large number of Asians in general.
At work I lead a team of four developers, two men (Americans) and two women (Asians). It shouldn't have come as a surprise, but my workplace (and the lecture crowd) isn't representative of what my past experience has been. I guess I need to get out more. Anyway, I find it quite interesting that Vint Cerf's name and the demise of Americans in tech, science, what have you, are in the same sentence, since I had my epiphany at his lecture.
I tried today to converse (remotely) with one of my Asian staffers but it was polite banter and I didn't pursue the apparent majority of Asian students. She did observe that American interest in tech was waning due to outsourcing - agreed; but it doesn't explain the explosion of Asian students of CS/IT in this country. I will definitely talk with both my staffers some more, as they are wonderful friends.
The lecture was great, by the way!
This has always been a touchy subject. It does seem that our friends and relatives seem to be pretty smart, but it is something you don't want to raise in public or even among friends, since it smacks of ethnocentrism. But along with the benefits, there seems to be a high prevalence of depression, cancer, and other ills. Whether or not this is true, Hitler, the Moral Majority, and other movements have made it even harder to talk about something sensitive like this that may, in fact, have a scientific basis after all.
A shameless plug of my cousin and his son's team who came in first in FIRST. I got an email from my family saying the guys were in Georgia along with a link. No mention of the fact that they actually won the national competition! May to go, Mat, Neil and team!!
Apple is, damn it, Apple is. I am so sick and tired of reading comments that refer to a corporate entity, such as Apple, as a collective. This is more primitive than the their/there and your/you're errors. Argh!!!
I am waiting for someone to post something inTaligent in this thread.
I knew this girl in college that did amazing things with candles and vegetables, including carrots. I know for a fact she won't die of cancer. She OD'd in '86.
It's kind of funny, but our personalities do, generally, suck! I have finally given up fighting it, though, and realize that by becoming a decent manager I can actually improve my people skills and better my life in general.
If your company is behind you and realize you are a geek but have intelligence, they'll help you. See if they can give you a psychological profile. It sounds worse than it is, and you need to be open to it. they'll tell you what you are like (although you should already know) and what is desireable in a manager/leader. But most importantly, they'll tell you what to do to go from here to there.
I also reccommend reading the books by Geald M. Weinberg, such as "Becoming a Technical Leader: An Organic Problem-Solving Approach" and "The Psychology of Computer Programming: Silver Anniversary Edition." Good luck, you'll appreciate the effort and so will your boss.
- I didn't spend much time using it
- I'm never that excited by new features until I learn their value through use over time.
That said, there is one new feature that really impressed me: Smart Folders. They are part of Spotlight and are very similar to Smart Playlists in iTunes. In essence they are "virtual folders" that you define using rules. I set one up to list all of my images. It works in conjunction with the indexing provided by Spotlight and seemed to be very fast. I think this one new feature will be the standout in the next release.I worked at a cool company in NJ in the 90's where everyone but me, it seemed, had PhD's and from places like MIT and Princeton. Two of the guys used to joke they invented a "Stupid Gun" that would identify and shoot stupid people. Trouble was, they could never get it to not light up and fire at people. I guess it's all a matter of perspective, huh?
What about noise? A physical device spinning that fast is going to produce hypersonic as well as audible noise. Phase I: Put jet engine in cell phone. Phase II: ? Phase II: Profit from putting even smaller jet engines in hearing aids.
I find I buy more music now that own an iPod. And I am not implying that I ever "borrowed" any previously. I have about 700+ tracks on my iPod and when the feeling moves me I go to iTunes and buy another album. The ITMS library is growing, too, and now includes a sizeable collection of the works of Brian Eno (great for coding, writing specs, so on.) I don't know where Monkey Boy Ballmer gets his info, and wouldn't want to go there. Unless all the interns at Microsoft trade music freely ...
I bought one just last month and switched providors to do so. I bought it primarily for the Bluetooth capability - I'm on a kick lately, as I bought a Palm Tungsten T3 and a Navman Bluetooth GPS module to go with my PowerBook.
Like all Nokia phones, the battery is incredible. The keys are a little small for an old phart like me, but they are very useable. The clamshell QWERTY keyboard is also a little hard to use, but easier than ditsing around with the keys when trying to type more meaningful memos. I used it to the max for the first month sending text messages and it was better than my whining makes it out to be.
In addition to the phone, I bought a Motorola Bluetooth headset. It is by far the best complement to the phone! The two make an unbeatable pair. Oh yeah, the phone has a camera and the one time it screwed up was when I took a booty shot of my wife. Um, this is slashdot, right? Scratch that. The video mode is cool. Anyway, the 6820 is a solid phone and I hope to get a few years of service out of it.
It's a Mac OS 9 looking window, you insensitive clod! Also, the "virus" is an LDEF, a control-like code resource. The machines in the movie look like windows boxes, but most are Macs.
Right, battery life was what made me choose a Nokia 6820 over a Moto phone. I was looking for a bluetooth enabled phone two weeks ago to integrate with my Powerbook and Palm Tungsten T3, and Nokia had the whole package. So when I read the headlines on the bottom of the TV this morning I wished it was Nokia. Damn.
Motorola makes sense because of their long standing partnership with Apple. But their phones need a portable power plant. Still, it's good news for Apple shareholders.