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Looking Ahead to Tiger, Powerbook G5s
sebFlyte writes "ZDNet is running a preview of Apple's newest version of OSX, Tiger, after Jobs said it was still on track for a q2 2005 release (long before Longhorn...)." And an anonymous reader writes "The Register is reporting that Powerbook G5s will ship in Q2 2005."
If I buy an Apple computer, what is their policy on upgrading to the next version of OS X? Is it free or do I get charged? How up-to-date to they keep you without adding cost?
...Apple sues the Register for ruining another one of Steve's keynotes.
About the powerbooks.
Supposedly a G5 was too hot to put into a small form factor, like a laptop or the miniMac. Does anyone know how they overcame the heat factor?
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I didn't hear Jobs announce a q2 release- he just said the first half of 2005.... not a very solid release date and could perhaps mean sometime this summer.
Will Tiger run on the new Mac mini?
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...of the Mac Mini's that are produced after Q2 2005? Or will it only run on G5 hardware?
Just submit first born child to Apple for more RAM.
That's barely long enough to count as a press release!
I don't see how Apple could make both iBook and PowerBooks based on the G5 at the same time. The processor speed and type have traditionally separated the upper and lower end Apple hardware products, right, with the lower end product always lagging to give the upper end the premium (and margin) that Apple wants?
What could they add to a PowerBook, other than a processor speed bump, that would make it worth the premium price if the iBook has the same class of processor in it?
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The Register is reporting that Powerbook G5s will ship in Q2 2005.
Bullshit.
It's a waiting game.
I'm prepared to wait for the next batch of Power book to come along before I part with $AUD4,000 for a 15" PB.
The iBook's were refreshed some time ago so hopefully it won't be too long now.
I can't wait to say goodbye to my shitty overheated Dell D600 - avoid them at all costs. The harddrives geneated too much heat (your hand gets really hot), AND at my work we have at least replaced 30 batteries out of 300 units.
as a frequenter of Mac rumor sites, i can tell you that the rumor mills are sick and tired of even hearing the word "PB G5"... even when an apple rep says "not anytime soon," some don't give up hope and keep on mentioning it, thinking that it will come out in a week or two, because that is "not anytime soon" in their mind...
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nother of all challenges. And I can believe it. My g5 xserves are fricking hot.
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They haven't said anything new about Tiger that they didn't already mention last year, to my knowledge. I wish they would just release Quicktime 7 already, so users could work with H.264 without having to wait for Tiger.
If Freescale continues to improve the speed and heat dissipation of the G4 the way they have been, who cares if its a G4 or G5. G4 is faster at the same clock speed. So whats the difference between a 1.5Ghz G4 and a 1.8Ghz G5? I think it would be much more productive for Applie to differentiate the powerbook line from the ibook line by putting one of those swanky new dual core G4's in it. Hey, whatd'ya know. The new G4's should be available 2nd quarter.
"The Register is reporting that Powerbook G5s will ship in Q2 2005."
Actually the Register said:
So claim sources close to Taiwan's contract manufacturers, DigiTimes reports.
Which makes this more of a glorified rumor than anything else. Of course if it is true I'll be first in line to buy a G5 PowerBook come Q2 2005 and judging from what is being written about cooling problems I will also be able to fry bacon and eggs on it.
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from zdnet: New is a 64-bit system, which does not mean an across-the-board speed boost, but memory-hungry applications such as large databases will probably benefit.
I thought that previous versions of Mac OS X running on G5 were also 64-bit?! How do they run 32-bit OS on a 64-bit G5 processor?!
I don't think there's much credibility to the claim of a G5 powerbook shipping within the next 6 months. I was just reading something the other day (I think it may have been another article at The Register, in fact), where one of the Apple higher-ups was quoted as saying that a G5 in a Powerbook would be "the mother of all thermal challenges", and then immediately refused to answer any more questions about it.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a superfast Powerbook hit the market, I think it would only do good things for customers and Apple as a company. But it took about 2 years before Apple engineers figured out how to pack the G4 into a Powerbook. I'd love to eat crow about this rumor and be proven wrong, but I just don't see it.
- I didn't spend much time using it
- I'm never that excited by new features until I learn their value through use over time.
That said, there is one new feature that really impressed me: Smart Folders. They are part of Spotlight and are very similar to Smart Playlists in iTunes. In essence they are "virtual folders" that you define using rules. I set one up to list all of my images. It works in conjunction with the indexing provided by Spotlight and seemed to be very fast. I think this one new feature will be the standout in the next release.My user name was a mistake. Input wasn't restricted, my bad.
I just bought a Powerbook G4, so you can expect the G5 announcement any day now.
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A less sarcastic answer - it has to be a proc. revision or variant which lowers power demand. In a portable, waste heat is wasted battery life. Apple laptops excel at battery life/ management - I would be amazed if that got tossed just to get to market.
After reading TFA, I don't think that we will have G5 laptops anytime within the first half of this year.
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It states that sources close to the Taiwan manufacturer claim they will ship. Aren't these the same sources that have been promising a Tablet Macintosh?
It also states that there are the known heat problems, Apple saying it won't happen, and has a link to a more likely higher speed 90nm G4 (MPC7448) to be used in the newer models. This doesn't even factor in the fact that a G5 PowerBook would likely have been mentioned at the conference. It even suggests that the quoted source has made a typo!
Is this hype that we should be reading on the front page? It's
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Granted I guess I couldn't really validate buying an Apple system when I already have several very nice x86 Linux boxes and I am going to be using the Linux boxes more anyway, but.... I can validate getting an Apple PowerBook. I had one last year and loved having it. The wifi just worked and bla cool bla shiny bla. Anyway so I probably wont be buying a mini (no real need at this time), but I was really hoping for some price change on the PowerBook. Waited the past four months, but alas no change this week. So I was going to pick one up next week, but now more credulant (than just dihard mac wishes) of the G5 in the PowerBooks? Should I wait 6 months or ....
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P.S. Along the same lines started about two years ago I noticed that more and more Linux developers have PowerBooks even if they don't have Apple desktop box's.
Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
Once I get one of these and put Java 1.5 on it, I'll have some sweet Tiger-on-Tiger action.
I'm gonna start saving now, and when those things (PB G5s) come out, they won't seem so expensive.
So, while all the ACs are screaming how these things are too expensive, I'll be running off to the store!
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Apple advertises everywhere that Tiger is based on open source. If that is true you should be able to simply download, compile, and run it. Am I wrong?
The info comes from a chart and memo about upcoming "PowerBook G5" and "iBook G5" computers to be produced by a contact manufacturer of Apple's for Q2 2005. That is the first grain of salt.
The second is that on Apple's fiscal calendar, it is *currently* Q2, 2005. So if the rumor is true, Apple has less than three months to release a computer which just yesterday was touted in their conference call as "the mother of all thermal challenges... (not) any time soon".
The third is that the PowerBook sales have been slipping because of a lack of advantage over the iBook, and historically, the iBook processor is a generation behind the PowerBook for as long as possible.
Conclusion? This rumor was just a typo. We will be seeing updated PowerBooks and iBooks released near the end of Q2 (in March) but it is very unlikely that the PB will have a G5 under the hood, and impossible that the iBook will.
Move along folks.
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I see the next gen chip (g6?), the cell processors from IBM going into Powerbooks next. They are 64bit, PPC Architecture, scalable to fit, cheaper (since sony, toshiba are others are dumping millions into their development), and will move to 65nm much more readily.
I could see a g4 speed bump once or twice over the next year.
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My Powerbook G3 400MHz 640MB runs Panther pretty slickly, albeit with a bit of the glitz missing, and a little sluggish on scrolling, etc. Overall it's very useable.
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Isn't Longhorn being built from the ground up, where as Tiger is just "major" updates/enhancements to previous versions of OS X, which were already built ontop of BSD?
DigiTimes is NOT a reliable source. They often have information wrong. They said Apple would have 15.4" wide laptops - they remained from the titanium to the aluminum enclosures at 15.2"
They also stated that the 12" PowerBooks would pick up key illumination - none yet.
They also have said something about Tablet Macs in production.
Other problems with the chart. Quanta is also making the Mac Mini - not Foxconn. As far as I know Foxconn just makes cables and circuit boards.
As someone mentioned - it was clearly stated that one of Apple's biggest challeges EVER is the PowerBook G5 thermal issues, but they continued to hint that we WILL see one this year.
I imagine PowerBooks go to 1.75Ghz first THEN we see a 1.8Ghz and a 2.0 Ghz G5 released next to 2.75 and 3.0Ghz G5 desktops.
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Unless IBM is working on an even smaller version of the current 90nm G5 to be released this year, I think it's much more likely that the H2 2005 will bring us Freescale's dual-core G4 chip, and that Apple will call it the G5M.
As I recall having read previously, to migrate users from an old OS X Mac to a G5 OS X Mac, basically all I need to do is hook a firewire cable between the old Mac and the new Mac, boot, specify the user accounts that I want to migrate, and then sit back and relax. This Register article claims Windows XP also makes it easy to migrate users from an old PC to a new PC, but I've never read anything on that topic. How does that migration work on a PC?
I hope that after I die the one word people use to describe me is "resurrected."
Apple isn't going to release java 1.5 until tiger. Disapointing, considering its been out for 4-5 months now. Even though tiger seems like its worth the upgrade anyway , I wish they wouldn't make java tied into the upgrade.
Remember what Steve said
Developers Developers Developers.
Oh that was a different Steve, Dancing Steve?
Easy, just have marketing gussy it up as a "feature", not a bug.
You get a gold star simply for using the phrase "gussy up" in a sentence.
PS Now you're on the trolley!
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
I'm envisioning a longhorn cow grazing stupidly in a field. A tiger sneaks up and noisily devours it.
Then, later, RedHat could make a competing commercial. Same thing happens, except after the tiger attack, a fat little penguin waddles up and eats the tiger.
--AC
So does anyone besides me want Apple to name a MacOS X version 'Kzinti'?
I pretty much only use linux (not a software developer though), and I've been looking to get a powerbook. I was waiting to see what happend at macworld before I bought one. I was a little disappointed. According to the buyers guide at macrumors.com, the powerbook series is way overdue for a new release.
Everything I've read (check out macslash.com from the last couple days) suggest that the g5 powerbook wont be released any time soon. The rumor mill suggests speed bumps, official support for the dvd+rw media and a couple other things. I'm about to throw my towel in and get one. It will be useful when I have to start workin on my thesis in the next couple months.
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Where'd you get the numbers for this? This isn't intended as a flame; I've never heard this claim before, and so I'm honestly curious.
Will everything in Tiger be 64bit, and, more importantly, will it ship with a 64bit MachKernel?
(I keep on getting conflicting information on this....)
The trend in Tiger is moving towards Smart . iPhoto has Smart Albums. Finder has Smart Folders. Mail has smart Folders. Address Book has Smart Groups. Probably a bunch that I've missed.
Some third-party developers have already taken it to heart. NewsFire recently added Smart Feeds, which combine news items from different feeds based on criteria - every news item from the last 3 hours containing the word iPod, say. And Colloquy's developer is working on adding Smart Channels, combining messages from any IRC channels you're currently a part of.
It's most definitely a good trend. This shit is cool.
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It takes some brass balls from ZD Net to do a preview on anything from Apple. They risk litigation!
So, basically, who knows what's going to happen?
3GHz or bust, I say.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
It works like this: Dump the idea of ever buying another virus infected, spyware ridden PC again, buy an iMac G5 and a copy of Move2Mac, plug in and enjoy a better computer!
Start->Programs->Accessories->System tools->File and settings transfer wizard
You then choose if you want to back up or restore settings. You select if the source and destination are connected by a direct cable, or if the source/destination is a disk drive or network share or local directory. You then select which files and settings you want to transfer. These include settings for messenger, outlook, etc, display properties, file associations, and special folders like my documents. The wizard then copies the selected items to the destination (or from, if you're doing a restore).
According to the wizard, it works from win95 all the way to windows XP.
Just to note that a simple version of smart folders exists in the latest Outlook. I've found them to be nearly useless because they a) unreliably sort so you can't be sure that the folder you've created contains what you need and b) as is typical with Outlook generally, barely configurable and that in a pain in the neck way.
I still haven't upgraded from the 512 that my G4 came with, and it really seems to do just fine running Mail, Camino, iTunes, Word, AIM/Yahoo/BitchX and MT-NewsWatcher all at once - the hard drive actually goes to sleep quite often. It does start to thrash if I try and run VPC on top of all of that, but for anything you'd want to use a mini for, a half a gig ($75 extra?) should be plenty.
Oh, and a 1.25GHz G4 isn't exactly NOT blazing...no, it's not as fast as a P4 3.6, but again, for anything you'd want to use a mini for, it's more than adequate.
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Apple publicly saying it won't happen might also be just to get people to not wait on making their next PowerBook purchase.
"Tiger, after Jobs said it was still on track for a q2 2005 release (long before Longhorn...)"
I'm sure Microsoft is really scared. OSX is always threatening Windows market share...
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Not very well, unfortunately. I have run the wizard twice, and in neither case did it migrate all my settings. The files came over ok, but the settings for the various programs I selected did not. Disappointing, but honestly, not surprising.
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From the article: "So far, each Mac OS X update has improved performance, an admirable trend that we expect to continue."
I remember I became a switcher just as 10.2 was coming out and all the Mac boards had these old graphics industry people going on about OSX being slower than OS9, and how good OS9 was...... OS 9 was never good.
But that first Mac I had was a G3 PowerBook, and sure enough, as the new OSs came out it just got faster!
I guess that's a function of the opensource core, people writting good code. Period. Not just writting stuff to work well on what the have in the pipe.
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that has been on standby specifically to put towards a G5 Powerbook, ever since the G5 Powermac was released.
Come on Apple!
And please oh please, let it at least be capable of 4GB RAM and 7200 rpm notebook drives, a'la top end IBM Thinkpads. A screen resolution of 1920x1200 would be very nice for the 17" model too. I would love a screen that can display HDTV content without requiring interpolation.
I need a portable number smasher and I am dreading the thought of throwing truck loads of cash at any notebook other than a solid Powerbook.
I like Thinkpads, but they are a little too plasticy for my liking. My 550 Celeron Thinkpad has broken in many places on the case, especially around the screen hinges and besides I want OSX (I also want NetBSD for the G5).
If Apple releases the G5 Powerbook with something other than a metal case, I will be throwing myself out of my 40 story office window! Don't dare step back Apple! I've yet to see a Powerbook that has taken a typical usage beating and fallen apart like a PC notebook.
Oh and one more thing, please be careful with the keyboards! I have noticed friends new Powerbooks with rub marks on the screen where the keys TOUCH the screen when the lid is closed. This is just downright Dell'esque and in no way acceptable for an Apple notebook. This is one of the biggest reasons why I was put off the new G4 Powerbooks.
On ZdNet:
"And whenever you migrate to a new computer, Setup Assistant automates migration of all your personal files, settings, applications and folders -- a feature already found in Windows XP."
Am I missing something major on XP?
Perhaps a new market for guys (and gals) could open up for tin foil underwear? Not sure about the fragility of the foil though... :)
A 1.5 GHz G4 PowerBook has a 167Mhz bus.
A theoretical 1.8 GHz G5 PowerBook, if clocked at the same 1:3 rate as the iMac (vs 1:2 in the PowerMac) would have a 600 MHz bus.
That is a huge improvement.
HUGE.
I should say that I would love to have a PowerBook with dual G5s and 10GB of RAM with 300GB of SATA in it - but what I mean when I say that I am not sure I want a G5 PB is that I know it is going to be warm if not HOT.
My current G4 PB gets hot enough to be uncomfortable at time - this is especially annoying if I am running background programs that are designed to be processor intensive.
While it would be great to have the G5, I am not sure it is something that I NEED - the G4 works really well as it is and I think I would rather see it drop in price than go up in speed at this point.
That said - there has been talk of a G3 based unit that has some additions (something by IBM or Motorola? I forget which, but I think it was the latter of the two) which makes it much like the G5 in that it is faster/better than the G4, and it would be well suited to the PBs in that it is smaller/thinner and uses less power (and therefore puts off less heat).
That said, they can never release something with a G3 in it and call it better than the G4, even if it is - people will just smack themselves about the face and whine about how they want the G5 because as we can all clearly see: 5 is bigger than 3, even for very large values of 3.
So perhaps this "G5" PB is actually using this new superG3 chip, which gives G5-like performance, and therefore they are going to come up with some new name for it - like G5m or something - but it technically isn't the G5 chip that we know in our workstations/servers?
In the end, regardless of what they do, I am going to wait about a year on it to avoid issues in the first generation that always seem to come about (said as I sit here and type on a first generation Al book with white spots - but I still love it).
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
I've been waiting forever for a G5 laptop.
The G4 is a great chip... but the G5 is sooo much better.
Seeing it in the new iMac, and Mac Mini, made me think they have been getting closer and closer to toppling the heat issue.
My hopes for the laptop are as follows:
- Price range from $1,499-$2,899
- Ship with 512 MB RAM
- USB2/Firewire 800 Ports
- 15" display or better
- Decent graphics card.
- MiniPCI slot for network card, so you can upgrade
- CPU @ 2 GHz
- 7200 RPM ATA/100 HD via Hitachi
Folders and such are simply constructs, and any look through the intrerfaces literature over the past 20 years will have discussions about different approaches to organization. Look at Be, there incorporation of the database into the file system really performs exactly the same function. And, if I am correct the developer is now at Apple.
Start->Programs->Accessories->System tools->File and settings transfer wizard
Golly, how intuitive!
(Sorry, I know I shouldn't make fun of Microsoft's "Start" menu. It's like picking on the retarded kid.)
"Tucked away in a discussion about Apple's manufacturing partners are references to an iBook G5 and a PowerBook G5, which will ship in Q2 2005."
Even if there were a PowerBook G5 on the way, and that's a big 'if' for H1... there's no way it would happen for the iBooks in that timeframe. None whatsoever. Everybody knows how Apple feels about their market segmentation.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
They mention that Setup Assistant will be able to (future tense) migrate all of your settings to a new computer like XP does now (sometimes). Bullshit. It's here and it works now, ZDnet.
This guy is way out there
When Apple files the lawsuits... : )
... the Mac Mini has a G4
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Don't you? The same plant makes apple laptops and dell latitudes.
here's an update that allows you to use a Serial Mouse with your Etch-A-Sketch!
sorry, OT....I'll take my lumps.
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Actually that box is aluminum...
It's just too bad we can't have a dual "Informative" and "Insightful" mod...
Wow, why don't I improve your comment for you, and say what you really want to:
It works like this you fucking Windoz luzer: Dump the idea of ever buying another virus infected, spyware ridden Winblows PeeCee again, buy an iMac G5 and a copy of Move2Mac, plug in, set your Micro$hit PC on fire, and enjoy a better computer you dumbass!
Besides, what PC manufacture ships computers with pre-installed viruses on purpose? Oh wait, I forgot, you slashbots would say XP and any other MS OS is the virus.
Probably because unlike OS X, where all application settings are under the home directory (in ~/Library) and in /Library, many Windows apps save the preferences back in x:\Program Files (one reason for needing adminstrator privileges to run some programs).
Windows XP/2K *does* have a standard location for app preference settings (under x:\Documents and Settings), but as long as this is not followed by all apps, this will remain an issue.
I wonder if that new dual-core G4 could be behind the rumors of a dualie G4 PowerBook...
Goddamned Apple! I've been telling my girlfriend to wait for the next revision of powerbooks since September!
She's withholding sex until she gets her powerbook :(
It's kinda wrong to compare Longhorn to Tiger. As said before Tiger is just an upgrade to Mac OS X 10.x. But Longhorn is not just a Jaguar, Panther-esque upgrade to Windows XP.
The Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc upgrades are really comparible to the Service Packs 1,2 of Windows. The only major difference is that Service Packs don't cost $150 each.
Longhorn to XP is like comparing Windows 98 to Windows 95. Not a completely new rewrite, but more of a change than just Service Pack 1 to Service Pack 2. And also more of a change than Jaguar to Pather, etc.
What Blackcomb is, however, will be a almost complete rewrite or something close to it. It is like comparing Windows 98 to Windows 2000. MS-DOS-based to NT-based. Blackcomb is rumored to contain the NT-replacement known as "Nexus" which, as far as I've read, is going to contain some bad things as far as privacy is concerned.
I am looking for a new laptop to run Linux on. How does the PowerBook compare to, say, a Thinkpad when it comes to hardware support? Right now I have a Thinkpad T21 and it is absolutely fantastic with Linux. Except for the modem (which I don't use) it is more functional under Linux than it is under Windows. If I get a PowerBook, would I have to use Apple's OS to take advantage of the hardware or do the PowerPC distributions have good support for the built in hardware? Also, how hard is it to swap hard drives on a PowerBook? And finally, what is Apple's attitude towards Linux users, do they cut off all support for the hardware if you don't use their OS?
Going from Windows 2000 to Windows XP costs $200? That's a huge freaking ripoff.
Seriously. Each 10.x release has just about that much change and feature adds in them. Also, Apple doesn't force the upgrade on you if you don't want it UNLIKE Microsoft (see: Microsoft Licensing 6.0)
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what color? off white to match the mini? imagine a beowulf cluster of minis, just imagine ...
You're thinking of CoreImage. And from what I've read, CoreImage works on every machine that runs Tiger, regardless of video card. It's just that those with supported video cards will offload the processing to the GPU for a huge speedup. If your card is old an unsupported in that mode, the filters will happen in the CPU and just take a while longer to complete. Probably not realtime in that case, but it'll still work just fine and produce the same results.
Some potentially dramatic speed improvements are in store for those with Multiple CPUs.
The Darwin kernel in Panther and before has two funnels one for the network stack and another for the rest of the kernel. Funnels are a kind of lock that prevent multiple threads from executing particular code simultaneously. Multiple threads may acquire a particular funnel simultaneously, but the kernel ensure that only one thread at a time is active. While a lock limits code re-entrancy, a funnel limits co-residency.
It is similar to the old Big Giant Lock in the FreeBSD kernel (slightly better than 2 Big Honkin' Locks). Tiger will roll out more fine grained locking which should have the greatest impact in improving IO perfromance
that being said, i own a powerbook, run os x on it, and love it
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DigiTimes reported that that both the PowerBook and iBook G5 will be released in Q2. This is rather unlikely, as Apple has historically released new "Power" models at least one full quarter before releasing corresponding "i" models (for example the PowerMac G5 was released on June 9 while the iMac G5 was not released until August 31).
Also, fifty-three minutes into Apple's conference call discussing Q1 2005 financial results last Wednesday, Executive Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Operations Tim Cook said, "let me be clear on this one, it would be the mother of all thermal challenges to do what you are suggesting," when asked about releasing a PowerBook 5G in Q2 or Q3.
If anyone could meet "the mother of all thermal challenges," it would be Apple, who has designed innovative cooling systems for the PowerMac and iMac G5, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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I would say that power consumption is the biggest problem with the G5 in a mobile application. Heat is a secondary consideration.
I don't think Apple wants a laptop that can't get more than 1 or 2 hours battery life at best.
I do like that the Registrar is more reserved than most in its reporting...Arstechnica is stating that iBooks will be out with G5's at the same time, which really makes this seem bogus.
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... A G5 Powerbook.
No matter how long they delay it. I need a 64 bit, big endian system for compiler development, and I'm not going to buy a large, unmovable crate that has some G5's in it.
Toon Moene (GNU Fortran development).
in the case of male users, anyway.
For female users, we'll have a fried fish taco, or a smoked oyster with pearl, depending on how you'll look at it.
So i suppose it's a bad idea to even murmer a question about prospective battery life of a G5 portable vs the legendary stories of 12" ibooks with alledged 5.something hours in a regular day of use?
"There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness."- Friedrich Nietzsche
...till Apple gives the option of turning off that darn mouse acceleration. It's completely unusable to me if I can't turn off. I've been brought up with the precision of Windows mouse pointing. I wonder if any /.'s who has tried a demo of OS X realised why they couldn't get used to the "feel" of the Mac. Yup - it's the mouse acceleration. I've been on them about it ever since I bought that iBook which sits day in/out collecting dust, and they haven't done a thing.
Speaking of resolution, I'm more excited by higher resolution than a speed bump. They need a speed bump, true, but 1280x854 in a 15 inch screen is relatively low resolution compared to the offerings by Dell. For a company that likes to market to graphic artists, you'd think they'd try to sell an ultra high DPI display.
I think that is wrong. It also doesn't save you the pain in the ass of installing the old OS again. There's a better way around this; the install disk is actually a full install disk but it has an app that checks what's installed and won't let you install unless it deems conditions correct. Fortunately you can delete the app and burn a new fully installable OSX CD by following the instructions here, near the end of the thread (but before all the pr0n links).
According to ThinkSecret (who has a better track record with predicting future mac products) claims that only a modest PB update is imminent. Also, with the advent of dual core processors from Fresscale (due in later this year), Apple engineers have another ace up their sleeve. They could move the PowerBooks in that direction with Jobs hyping the first dual processor notebooks. In any rate, I don't see Apple using G5's this year in the PowerBook because of Apple's own contraints. They have to live up to the standard of today's PB. The notebooks can't be more than a 1" thick, can't weigh more than current models, can't last 1-2hours on battery power, and most important can't cause testicular burns. In essence, they can't live by the standards of Wintel OEM's (Dell, HP, Gateway, Alienware, etc)
You don't have to be smart to use a Mac, you just have to be smart enough to buy one
It's just absurd that ibooks and powerbooks don't have this standard. Especially the ibooks with those nice white plastic keys; it seems it would be so easy to have them light up so people could type in the dark. I figure this would be a no-brainer; why haven't we seen this yet?
Other people's experiences may vary.
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And 512MB may be 'adequate' for today but isn't future proof.
Let's say one buys a mini with the 256MB option and then finds that it isn't really ideal. If one the upgrades with a 512MB, one is left with an used 256MB stick and only 256MB extra RAM. Now if the machine had two slots, like the eMac, the total would be 768MB.
If only the minimac had an extra slot; 1GB sticks are comparatively expen$ive.
Dual core 64 bit laptop...
Your Average Joe
During the last WWDC, Steve kept showing off Spotlight using the search terms 'iMac' and 'Paris' and it ended up being his way of hinting that release to the world. This time, 'love' was the oft searched for item with Spotlight. Could Feb. 14 be the day of the 'Books? fs
...but not a perfect one either.
A couple of glaring mistakes:
And whenever you migrate to a new computer, Setup Assistant automates migration of all your personal files, settings, applications and folders -- a feature already found in Windows XP.
This isn't new in Tiger. 10.3's Setup Assistant has been doing this for quite a while now, too. And by the looks of things (probably owing to OS X's Unix-style directory layout and use of single XML files for config settings) works very well indeed.
In general, some features that rely heavily on fancy graphics tricks may not run well on older machines.
I've run every version of OS X from 10.0.3 up to 10.3.7 on an old G3/500MHz iMac + 8MB ATI Rage 128. I have every bit of the functionality that owners of faster Macs enjoy. The eyecandy is scaled back on my system so things still work great. It's not "may not run well". More a case of "if the hardware can't draw it well, the system won't try and draw it". So, whilst Dashboard will fade, wibble and dissolve on a quick Mac, on mine it'll probably just 'appear'.
OS X may be dripping with eyecandy, but they do put in quite a bit of consideration when it comes to scaling appropriately to the hardware's ability.
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
Here's a link.
It doesn't say if it's compatible with the Mac Mini, but the specs look about right.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
when apple speaks of a G5 powerbook in comparison
to the current G4 powerbook, they would like a fanless design. which was easy to do using the G4@20 watts. which gave the user more then four hours of battery life. the G5 at 42 watts uses less power than any intel chip. so making a laptop using a g5 would be no problem using x86 designs (larger Battery,heatsink,Fan)in comparison to the pentium (m>50watts,4m>50,centrino(pent+WiFi+ether),p4>90)
yea... your right if apple wanted a laptop design without a hugBattery, heatsink, or cooling fan.
which all current ibooks and powerbook lack!!!
but using pc industry laptop design methods building a powerbook using a ibm970fx@42watts would
be no problem. check out intels and ibm thermal parametrics for there chips. and you'll see what a
hug problem x86 manufacture's have to deal with designing laptops. FOOL!!!!
What makes the powerbooks sweet machines is the compromise of speed, weight and battery endurance. A g4 powerbook is plenty power for everything these days, while running cooler and having much more autonomy than a g5 could. Why desire a g5 powerbook ? Makes little sense to me. If you need macho processor power, go with desktop boxes.