For years now people have been arguing over what is betterP2P, Client server, or thin client.
And while your comment is correct for a Simple basic P2P network it's not true for an Advanced P2P network.
With an advanced P2P network you have advanced topologies, pre-emptive retival, caching, Super Nodes, Node Proxies, etc.
The problem is that advanced P2P products are still under development (same with clustering which is similar to P2P on a lower level - single box vs lots of little boxes) whereas client server and thin client products have been out for a long time and lots of people understand them.
The problem with P2P is that it is more complicated.
Taking you example but using the minimum number of connections instead of the maximum number as you did. In this instance it looks either like a single line OR a star or multiple stars connected together(this is still a P2P network although far from optimal). 2 Computers = 1 conection. 3 Computers = 2 connections. 100 Computers = 99 connections.
Now email is P2P already and was always designed to be P2P as it the Internet. Now if your talking about scaling can you imagine the specs you'd need for a single server or a single cluster of servers!
I don't suffer from instanity! I enjoy every moment of it!
Virtually nothing is new anywhere it's al generally an idea that was thought up a long time ago but some of the projects that I have found new and INOVATIVE are
Apis and Apps *GStreamer - being able to use any audio/video format. *WXWindows a wrapper around native widgets (I know this isn't new but it's the best implementation I've seen) *Some of the clustering tools around (most of it old but some is new)
Kernal *O(1) scheduling *ALSA - Sound API for linux (probably not new but cool anyway) *There has been lots of cool stuff in the kernal recently but I can't remember most of it:-(
For the documentation I think your a little off. The problem is it's unlike that everyone will decide that ONE formate is the best. Eg. HTML is a great for apache documentation but isn't very usefull as documentation for ls (for ls man is great).
Basically what it will do is enable you to have documentation in any format but have a single interface to it.
Re:That's interesting
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Space Music
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Warning this unpopular idea... flame on!
I agree that homosexuality is a sin but just as much as lying and coverting. The problem is when people don't sepectate the sin from the person. It's not right to attack the people but it's fine to attack the act or in other words accept/tolerate/like the people but not what they do(kind of like family really... I hate what my little brother does sometimes but I'll always look out for him and take care of him).br
As for the sister in law back then it WAS the right thing to do remember women weren't aloud to work and relied on there husbands(If you weren't married you were worse of than a begger unless you had a good family BUT since you weren't married you would often be a discrase to your family so they would often shun the women). Also back then the culture was different. Men use to have multiple wives while this may sound weird to us (in our culture) it still happens today.
A little while ago one of my friends when to a mulsim country and stoppied in a corner store for some food. As he was watching tv there was a show about some trouble between the muslims and the christians in the country and as he looked around he realised that he was the only white person in the room... the rest of them were muslims. The owner of the store reliease that he was uneasy and told him not to worry. My friends was curious becuse it was obvious that he was a christian. He talked to the owner for a while and was suprised by what they told him
*They loved him because
1.He was a westerner and therefore had money
2.He was Austrlain (I don't know why but most people seem to like asutlains... I think it's because we don't really care that much)
* The Guy had 4 wives.
* The wives were each in a different store and they each ran one of his stores.
* He didn't work and basically just went from one town to the next as he got bored.
The point I'm trying to make is you can't judge other cultures based on your own.
America for example is currently have a war against terrorism BUT if the roles were revered those same terrorist would be commandos or heros if the were american. It also funds other wars and turns a blind eye when it is in it's own best intrest(no media) but when it's in it's own interest it's more than willing to step in and help(with LOTS of media)
Re:Biblical references
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Space Music
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Biblical references
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Space Music
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There is a scripture in the bible talking about how the heavens sing paises to God.
I never really understood what it ment until one day I found out that the stars actually make music. How? Well I assume you of you know that stars don't just release visable light they also release UV/IR and... that's right radio waves. We can't actually tune into them down here on earth(the atmospehe scatters the waves) but from what I've been told in space you can listen to it fairly well. Theres a fair bit of information about it. Different stars have different sounds some of it sounds sureal.
100,000 people in the US software industry were fired last year? Oh, sure, if you include janitors and other people that "work for software companies" but have nothing to do with software, then maybe 100,000 people were fired. Maybe. But come on, get real. 100,000 programmers were not fired last year. Lying bastards.
Just a quick point but I expect that about 100,000 programers were fired/let off/made redundant/contract treminated last year. Now chances are 70,000 or so of those got another job soon after:-)
Also these days people tend to bundle people like web site designers, flash programers, php and asp programers with C, C++ and Java. That's why the numbers are so high.
The big problem with sound program on linux at the moment is OSS. What is currently the most stable and supported(barely passable).
OSS has a number of limitations that make it very hard to get high quality sound programs. From what I was told it's like the clasic unix sockets. So you have to do a loop until the socket is free BUT this means you have a small period of time where there is nothing. This is what with XMMS, etc. you get clicks when the songs change.
Alsa uses call backs instead(an OSS compatable api is included which simulates OSS) which means you don't get that pause. This makes writing high quality audio programs much easier.
The long and the short of it is that I doubt we'll get really STABLE high quiality audio programs until Alsa is included in the Kernal in the distros (It has been included in 2.5) Which won't be for at least a year(this is a guess). The other thing that happens when the new kenal comes out is that it is supposed to have a lower latancy(VERY important from real time video/adio programs).
That combined with GStreamer and the like means that in about one or two years we should have some very nice audio programs.
That being said heres the best program I've found so far:
The thing about EQ, AC, UO, AO etc is that they provide dynamic content and massive server farms. That is why people are willing to pay a monthly fee. They know that they are getting something for it.
On the other hand I wouldn't pay a monthly fee for Diablo 2/Counter Strikeetc because I know that you don't get new content. All they do is tweek existing content (great tweeks though) and they don't provide massive server farms either. They just provide a connection service.
I wouldn't pay money to be just to be able to play my friend across the street a racing car game. On the other hand I would be willing to pay $5 extra to my ISP for this service.
The main thing that I am trying to say is that like most people (I think) I don't mind paying for something if I know that I will make the product that I have more and more valueble. 1 month = $10, 3 months = $30. so if the service isn't worth more after 3 months then it's not worth it. If on the other hand it is a bonus(like SMS, caller id etc) then I don't mind paying a little bit more for it OR chosing a service provider because they provide the service.
// Function: square // Inputs: int x // Outputs: int // Used by: pythagorean(int,int) // Description: returns x squared int square(int x) { return x*x; }
I would recommend using a coding standard such as either the Qt or JavaDoc coding standard. The reason for this is that it is much easy to find documentation generators such as deoxygen that will generate documentation for your code. If you used the JavaDoc standard with the above then you would get:
/** Returns x squared
* @param x A valid integer
* @return The square of the value passed in
* @see pythagorean(int,int)
*/ int square(int x) { return x*x; }
Re:The claim of the LGPL's effect is bogus anyway
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Your right in a way the LGPL allows you to add proprietary additions in a way. If you modify the LGPL code then you have to release the modifications (same as the GPL) but if you add extra functionality without changing the code then the bit you add you can linces as you want. If you have to modify the LGPL code to add you functionality then you have to release the parts you midified but not the extra parts you added unless the parts you added are required by the parts you modified. Obviously the community might not add the code you changed to the code base if it doesn't fix any problems and is only usefull for your proprietry libaries.
It doesn't do anything about the "Direct3D work" but it does mean that people can't take the LGPL code base fix bugs and then sell it without releasing the code.
What it doesn't stop is someone comming along adding say DirrectX 9 support that is clearly seperate from the original code but requires wine. (you still have the changing API problems as wine is updated sine the code isn't in the common code base it must be updated speratly)
The basic idea is that you have the "right" and as long as you don't "distribute it" you never have to show anyone your code.
example : you write a peice of software for your company in house. The software conaints business information that you don't want other people to know. With the GPL you never have to show anyone the source UNLESS you distribute it. With other linceence they can force you to hand over the code.
One of the things that really bugs me is when people look at the bug cound and say hay there were 21 000 bugs in X version but there are now 22 000 bugs in Y version so X version must be buggier than Y version.
Generally most of the bugs in that were found in version Y were already in X but they weren't found. That is there aren't more bugs just more that are found.
Another thing is have you read some of the bugs submitted?
Check out these(5 new bugs picked at random):
*Bugzilla Bug 78633 [console] photon port should not print to console for opt builds (maybe)
*Bugzilla Bug 35419 solaris/gcc should use -shared instead of -G in configure.in DSO_LDOPTS
It may just be me but none of these are show stopper bugs in my mind. The truth is if the bug database wasn't open then people would be talking about how much more stable the new mozilla is instead of how many more bugs it has.
It a couple of people went through the 22 000 bugs and removed the redundant bugs and fixed the trival bugs that most people don't care about chancers are that after one or two months the bug cound would be down to something more like 3 000 bugs BUT mozilla would be almost exactly the same.
Miguel de Icaza [ximian.com] too has said that time is better spent on improving OpenOffice rather than working on say Gnumeric (which he wrote part of too).
Lots of people seem to think that redundant programming such as this is bad. The truth is that competition is good as long as the products are compatible. So as long a Gnumeric and OpenOffice can open a common file format the fact that we have development time *wasted* on two products doesn't matter both communities compete against each other. This leads to better products because each group tries to do something new to make it better. The problem is when the groups start to hate each other and don't work together when it makes sense to work together.
Gnome and KDE are a great example of this as they are both use the same *basic* idea but have different implementations. Gnome adds something then KDE adds it and the other way vice versa. Most users don't care as long as they interact in the common areas. That is as long as you can copy and paste from X windows to Gnome to KDE to Java most people don't care what you implement it in.
Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive!
You can see this happening with the Linux distrobutions, each one has slightly different configuration tools, default, patched kernals etc.
The big difference between the Distro's and wine is that while each Distro NEEDS to be complient with each other. This is one of the main reason the Linux standards group is making a standard distro. Basically you want people to be able to use any linux so they can change to your style of linux.
With wine it is different. Currently say the comunity got 99% compatability but just couldn't figure out the last little bit:-( and some company did the 1% needed, the company could sell their wine. This is fine but for the fact that they have no reason to release the source:-( If they keep the source then they are the only company with 100% compatability even though they only did 1% of the code.
By changing the linces they can make sure that any one company can't do this.
Re:Kansas school board rejects Evolution
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Most people seem to have this misunderstanding. Natural selection IS NOT EVOLUTION! Most people the study natural selection agree that it is more or less right.
The big difference between natuaral selection and evolution is that in natural selection you lose information (genes that aren't needed in that environment become the minority) Where as evolution says that we make information from nothing!
If you look at linux you can see that PEOPLE are making it then natural selection is killing off the parts that aren't perfect. If you take out the people that make it then linux doesn't exists.
A better example would be that you bought a brand new (clean)computer and turned it on and off 1 billion times and expected it to boot in linux/dos/windows because the bits might randomly produce an operating system. When you look at it this way it sounds crazy.
Basically the point I'm trying to say is that every operating system was made by a creator(s) and then refined by natural selection. I don't mide when people have opposing views as long as they are informed views.>
Evolution
NOTHING -> SOMETHING -> NATURAL SELECTOIN + A LARGE NUMBER -> US
Linux
LINUS + PREVIOUS CODE -> NATURAL SELECTION + CODERS + LINUX TODAY
I know that a number of the things you are talking about are already possible although not as simple as FTP
secure = FTP + IPsec
multiple paths = download managers Get Right or my faverate Flash get which suport multiple mirrors, splitting files, pause/resume etc.
I have yet to find a program as good as flash get for linux though.... I you know of any send me an email.
Slashdot Mirror
For years now people have been arguing over what is betterP2P, Client server, or thin client.
And while your comment is correct for a Simple basic P2P network it's not true for an Advanced P2P network.
With an advanced P2P network you have advanced topologies, pre-emptive retival, caching, Super Nodes, Node Proxies, etc.
The problem is that advanced P2P products are still under development (same with clustering which is similar to P2P on a lower level - single box vs lots of little boxes) whereas client server and thin client products have been out for a long time and lots of people understand them.
The problem with P2P is that it is more complicated.
Taking you example but using the minimum number of connections instead of the maximum number as you did. In this instance it looks either like a single line OR a star or multiple stars connected together(this is still a P2P network although far from optimal).
2 Computers = 1 conection.
3 Computers = 2 connections.
100 Computers = 99 connections.
Now email is P2P already and was always designed to be P2P as it the Internet. Now if your talking about scaling can you imagine the specs you'd need for a single server or a single cluster of servers!
I don't suffer from instanity!
I enjoy every moment of it!
Virtually nothing is new anywhere it's al generally an idea that was thought up a long time ago but some of the projects that I have found new and INOVATIVE are
:-(
Apis and Apps
*GStreamer - being able to use any audio/video format.
*WXWindows a wrapper around native widgets (I know this isn't new but it's the best implementation I've seen)
*Some of the clustering tools around (most of it old but some is new)
Kernal
*O(1) scheduling
*ALSA - Sound API for linux (probably not new but cool anyway)
*There has been lots of cool stuff in the kernal recently but I can't remember most of it
For the documentation I think your a little off. The problem is it's unlike that everyone will decide that ONE formate is the best. Eg. HTML is a great for apache documentation but isn't very usefull as documentation for ls (for ls man is great).
That being said you might be interested in this.
http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net/
http://www.ibiblio.org/osrt/omf/
Basically what it will do is enable you to have documentation in any format but have a single interface to it.
Warning this unpopular idea ... flame on!
... I hate what my little brother does sometimes but I'll always look out for him and take care of him).br
... the rest of them were muslims. The owner of the store reliease that he was uneasy and told him not to worry. My friends was curious becuse it was obvious that he was a christian. He talked to the owner for a while and was suprised by what they told him ... I think it's because we don't really care that much)
* The Guy had 4 wives.
* The wives were each in a different store and they each ran one of his stores.
* He didn't work and basically just went from one town to the next as he got bored.
I agree that homosexuality is a sin but just as much as lying and coverting. The problem is when people don't sepectate the sin from the person. It's not right to attack the people but it's fine to attack the act or in other words accept/tolerate/like the people but not what they do(kind of like family really
As for the sister in law back then it WAS the right thing to do remember women weren't aloud to work and relied on there husbands(If you weren't married you were worse of than a begger unless you had a good family BUT since you weren't married you would often be a discrase to your family so they would often shun the women). Also back then the culture was different. Men use to have multiple wives while this may sound weird to us (in our culture) it still happens today.
A little while ago one of my friends when to a mulsim country and stoppied in a corner store for some food. As he was watching tv there was a show about some trouble between the muslims and the christians in the country and as he looked around he realised that he was the only white person in the room
*They loved him because 1.He was a westerner and therefore had money 2.He was Austrlain (I don't know why but most people seem to like asutlains
The point I'm trying to make is you can't judge other cultures based on your own.
America for example is currently have a war against terrorism BUT if the roles were revered those same terrorist would be commandos or heros if the were american. It also funds other wars and turns a blind eye when it is in it's own best intrest(no media) but when it's in it's own interest it's more than willing to step in and help(with LOTS of media)
Stuffed up the html Sorry ... the link I ment to give in my last post was
http://www.hobbyspace.com/Music/music3.html#Natura l
There is a scripture in the bible talking about how the heavens sing paises to God.
... that's right radio waves. We can't actually tune into them down here on earth(the atmospehe scatters the waves) but from what I've been told in space you can listen to it fairly well. Theres a fair bit of information about it. Different stars have different sounds some of it sounds sureal.
I never really understood what it ment until one day I found out that the stars actually make music. How? Well I assume you of you know that stars don't just release visable light they also release UV/IR and
Just thought I'd give a different prospective.
Nathaniel Brown
The problem isn't so much the code but the Patents. I would expect this is more to protect the programers than the code. :-)
100,000 people in the US software industry were fired last year? Oh, sure, if you include janitors and other people that "work for software companies" but have nothing to do with software, then maybe 100,000 people were fired. Maybe. But come on, get real. 100,000 programmers were not fired last year. Lying bastards.
:-)
Just a quick point but I expect that about 100,000 programers were fired/let off/made redundant/contract treminated last year. Now chances are 70,000 or so of those got another job soon after
Also these days people tend to bundle people like web site designers, flash programers, php and asp programers with C, C++ and Java. That's why the numbers are so high.
The big problem with sound program on linux at the moment is OSS. What is currently the most stable and supported(barely passable).
OSS has a number of limitations that make it very hard to get high quality sound programs. From what I was told it's like the clasic unix sockets. So you have to do a loop until the socket is free BUT this means you have a small period of time where there is nothing. This is what with XMMS, etc. you get clicks when the songs change.
Alsa uses call backs instead(an OSS compatable api is included which simulates OSS) which means you don't get that pause. This makes writing high quality audio programs much easier.
The long and the short of it is that I doubt we'll get really STABLE high quiality audio programs until Alsa is included in the Kernal in the distros (It has been included in 2.5) Which won't be for at least a year(this is a guess). The other thing that happens when the new kenal comes out is that it is supposed to have a lower latancy(VERY important from real time video/adio programs).
That combined with GStreamer and the like means that in about one or two years we should have some very nice audio programs.
That being said heres the best program I've found so far:
A Good Audacity Multiplatform Audio Program
bugs fixed
The thing about EQ, AC, UO, AO etc is that they provide dynamic content and massive server farms. That is why people are willing to pay a monthly fee. They know that they are getting something for it.
On the other hand I wouldn't pay a monthly fee for Diablo 2/Counter Strikeetc because I know that you don't get new content. All they do is tweek existing content (great tweeks though) and they don't provide massive server farms either. They just provide a connection service.
I wouldn't pay money to be just to be able to play my friend across the street a racing car game. On the other hand I would be willing to pay $5 extra to my ISP for this service.
The main thing that I am trying to say is that like most people (I think) I don't mind paying for something if I know that I will make the product that I have more and more valueble. 1 month = $10, 3 months = $30. so if the service isn't worth more after 3 months then it's not worth it. If on the other hand it is a bonus(like SMS, caller id etc) then I don't mind paying a little bit more for it OR chosing a service provider because they provide the service.
While this is good:
// Function: square
// Inputs: int x
// Outputs: int
// Used by: pythagorean(int,int)
// Description: returns x squared
int square(int x) { return x*x; }
I would recommend using a coding standard such as either the Qt or JavaDoc coding standard. The reason for this is that it is much easy to find documentation generators such as deoxygen that will generate documentation for your code. If you used the JavaDoc standard with the above then you would get:
/** Returns x squared
* @param x A valid integer
* @return The square of the value passed in
* @see pythagorean(int,int)
*/
int square(int x) { return x*x; }
Your right in a way the LGPL allows you to add proprietary additions in a way. If you modify the LGPL code then you have to release the modifications (same as the GPL) but if you add extra functionality without changing the code then the bit you add you can linces as you want. If you have to modify the LGPL code to add you functionality then you have to release the parts you midified but not the extra parts you added unless the parts you added are required by the parts you modified. Obviously the community might not add the code you changed to the code base if
it doesn't fix any problems and is only usefull for your proprietry libaries.
It doesn't do anything about the "Direct3D work" but it does mean that people can't take the LGPL code base fix bugs and then sell it without releasing the code.
What it doesn't stop is someone comming along adding say DirrectX 9 support that is clearly seperate from the original code but requires wine. (you still have the changing API problems as wine is updated sine the code isn't in the common code base it must be updated speratly)
The basic idea is that you have the "right" and as long as you don't "distribute it" you never have to show anyone your code.
example : you write a peice of software for your company in house. The software conaints business information that you don't want other people to know. With the GPL you never have to show anyone the source UNLESS you distribute it. With other linceence they can force you to hand over the code.
One of the things that really bugs me is when people look at the bug cound and say hay there were 21 000 bugs in X version but there are now 22 000 bugs in Y version so X version must be buggier than Y version.
Generally most of the bugs in that were found in version Y were already in X but they weren't found. That is there aren't more bugs just more that are found.
Another thing is have you read some of the bugs submitted?
Check out these(5 new bugs picked at random):
*Bugzilla Bug 78633 [console] photon port should not print to console for opt builds (maybe)
*Bugzilla Bug 35419 solaris/gcc should use -shared instead of -G in configure.in DSO_LDOPTS
*Bugzilla Bug 108476 Error with XML
*Bugzilla Bug 56179 Broken mozilla.org links
*Bugzilla Bug 9185 Gtk command-line args crash viewer
It may just be me but none of these are show stopper bugs in my mind. The truth is if the bug database wasn't open then people would be talking about how much more stable the new mozilla is instead of how many more bugs it has.
It a couple of people went through the 22 000 bugs and removed the redundant bugs and fixed the trival bugs that most people don't care about chancers are that after one or two months the bug cound would be down to something more like 3 000 bugs BUT mozilla would be almost exactly the same.
Miguel de Icaza [ximian.com] too has said that time is better spent on improving OpenOffice rather than working on say Gnumeric (which he wrote part of too).
Lots of people seem to think that redundant programming such as this is bad. The truth is that competition is good as long as the products are compatible. So as long a Gnumeric and OpenOffice can open a common file format the fact that we have development time *wasted* on two products doesn't matter both communities compete against each other. This leads to better products because each group tries to do something new to make it better. The problem is when the groups start to hate each other and don't work together when it makes sense to work together.
Gnome and KDE are a great example of this as they are both use the same *basic* idea but have different implementations. Gnome adds something then KDE adds it and the other way vice versa. Most users don't care as long as they interact in the common areas. That is as long as you can copy and paste from X windows to Gnome to KDE to Java most people don't care what you implement it in.
Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive!
The main problem is forking.
:-( and some company did the 1% needed, the company could sell their wine. This is fine but for the fact that they have no reason to release the source :-( If they keep the source then they are the only company with 100% compatability even though they only did 1% of the code.
You can see this happening with the Linux distrobutions, each one has slightly different configuration tools, default, patched kernals etc.
The big difference between the Distro's and wine is that while each Distro NEEDS to be complient with each other. This is one of the main reason the Linux standards group is making a standard distro. Basically you want people to be able to use any linux so they can change to your style of linux.
With wine it is different. Currently say the comunity got 99% compatability but just couldn't figure out the last little bit
By changing the linces they can make sure that any one company can't do this.
Most people seem to have this misunderstanding. Natural selection IS NOT EVOLUTION! Most people the study natural selection agree that it is more or less right.
The big difference between natuaral selection and evolution is that in natural selection you lose information (genes that aren't needed in that environment become the minority) Where as evolution says that we make information from nothing!
If you look at linux you can see that PEOPLE are making it then natural selection is killing off the parts that aren't perfect. If you take out the people that make it then linux doesn't exists.
A better example would be that you bought a brand new (clean)computer and turned it on and off 1 billion times and expected it to boot in linux/dos/windows because the bits might randomly produce an operating system. When you look at it this way it sounds crazy.
Basically the point I'm trying to say is that every operating system was made by a creator(s) and then refined by natural selection. I don't mide when people have opposing views as long as they are informed views.> Evolution
NOTHING -> SOMETHING -> NATURAL SELECTOIN + A LARGE NUMBER -> US
Linux
LINUS + PREVIOUS CODE -> NATURAL SELECTION + CODERS + LINUX TODAY
There is a big difference.
I know that a number of the things you are talking about are already possible although not as simple as FTP secure = FTP + IPsec multiple paths = download managers Get Right or my faverate Flash get which suport multiple mirrors, splitting files, pause/resume etc. I have yet to find a program as good as flash get for linux though .... I you know of any send me an email.
While it may be morning in the US over here in Australia it's 6pm. Everyone is just getting home ... can us Aussies bring it down?